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Hagar
11-27-2011, 05:17 PM
With the injury to both Schaub and now Leinart, is Kubiak's 8-3 start enough to secure another season as Head Coach?

ziggy29
11-27-2011, 05:18 PM
With the injury to both Schaub and now Leinart, is Kubiak's 8-3 start enough to secure another season as Head Coach?

Not if they finish 8-8 or 9-7 and the Tacks win the division. Not even with injuries as an excuse.

fiasco west
11-27-2011, 05:18 PM
Nope.

I think Kubes has a free pass even if the team collapses (which I don't see happening any ways)

At least folks can stop saying that the Texans only won because the Colts missed Manning. We're doing alright without our starting QB.

ATXtexanfan
11-27-2011, 05:19 PM
kubiak is safe

houstonspartan
11-27-2011, 05:23 PM
No.

More.

Excuses.

Period.

The Texans are a Super Bowl-level team. Even if we tank the rest of the season and don't make the playoffs, another coach can come in here next season with this loaded roster and get us rolling.

Enough with the fear of changing coaches already. Look at San Francisco.

Regardless, we're getting ahead of ourselves. We are still in the hunt. Let's see how this plays out.

HTown2ATX
11-27-2011, 05:30 PM
No.

More.

Excuses.

Period.

The Texans are a Super Bowl-level team. Even if we tank the rest of the season and don't make the playoffs, another coach can come in here next season with this loaded roster and get us rolling.

Enough with the fear of changing coaches already. Look at San Francisco.

Regardless, we're getting ahead of ourselves. We are still in the hunt. Let's see how this plays out.

I would totally agree with you using the 2000 Ravens and a putrid QB like Dilfer as an example. BUT, as bad ass as our D is, I can't say it is the level of that Ravens team........YET........we shall see as the season goes on.

I have been on the get of Kubes train for a while now, but that said, right now I think we are pretty much in the playoffs, which we will probably, if we had to honestly say now, are a 1 and done team since there will be no game against JAX or CLE in the playoffs, but who knows.

So, basically, when we had Schaub in there my expectations were more than just making the playoffs, now, I have been forced to downgrade them somewhat. So, final answer, we make the playoffs and Kubes is safe IMO and I have no beef with that.

houstonspartan
11-27-2011, 05:34 PM
I would totally agree with you using the 2000 Ravens and a putrid QB like Dilfer as an example. BUT, as bad ass as our D is, I can't say it is the level of that Ravens team........YET........we shall see as the season goes on.

I have been on the get of Kubes train for a while now, but that said, right now I think we are pretty much in the playoffs, which we will probably, if we had to honestly say now, are a 1 and done team since there will be no game against JAX or CLE in the playoffs, but who knows.

So, basically, when we had Schaub in there my expectations were more than just making the playoffs, now, I have been forced to downgrade them somewhat. So, final answer, we make the playoffs and Kubes is safe IMO and I have no beef with that.

At this point, I am not counting on anything. I am just playing wait and see.

What happens if ATL next week goes after TJ Yates and knocks him around? Then what? It's been THAT kind of year.

Assume nothing.

thunderkyss
11-27-2011, 05:45 PM
With the injury to both Schaub and now Leinart, is Kubiak's 8-3 start enough to secure another season as Head Coach?

I'm sure Kubiak secured another season already. I don't particularly agree with that, but I don't see McNair cutting the cord after what we've been through.
No.

More.

Excuses.

Period.

The Texans are a Super Bowl-level team. Even if we tank the rest of the season and don't make the playoffs, another coach can come in here next season with this loaded roster and get us rolling.

Enough with the fear of changing coaches already. Look at San Francisco.

Regardless, we're getting ahead of ourselves. We are still in the hunt. Let's see how this plays out.

Kinda sorta agree. No more excuses & all, but damn.....

Imagine that Schaub isn't ready for opening day 2012. Then we've got Leinart & Yates. The QB is the cornerstone & continually looking for one is no way to bring in a new coach.

See if Cowher would be interested in Houston knowing Schaub is going to miss time next season & may not be himself ever again.

At the same time, I don't give Kubiak any better odds of succeeding given the same circumstance.

HTown2ATX
11-27-2011, 05:53 PM
At this point, I am not counting on anything. I am just playing wait and see.

What happens if ATL next week goes after TJ Yates and knocks him around? Then what? It's been THAT kind of year.

Assume nothing.

Dude, we have a stranglehold on this division. I am not booking playoff tix yet, but seriously. not only would we have to collapse, TEN would have to just be balls out bad ass rest of the year....I don't see it as of yet.

Say Yates does get knocked around.......so, now we have to get a vet street FA to replace a late round rookie from North Carolina who was a 3rd stringer.....that doesn't kill me. Do I want to see that? Of course not, but I don't see it as dropping off a cliff....that may have already happened.......we have to just see what happens now.

I agree with you on no excuses to a degree....I'm just hesitant on the 1st and 2nd string QB's going down. QB is not RB, WR, etc.....we lost our 1st 2 string QB's man. So to me I give a little slack on that.

Not a ton, but some.

houstonspartan
11-27-2011, 05:57 PM
Dude, we have a stranglehold on this division. I am not booking playoff tix yet, but seriously. not only would we have to collapse, TEN would have to just be balls out bad ass rest of the year....I don't see it as of yet.

Say Yates does get knocked around.......so, now we have to get a vet street FA to replace a late round rookie from North Carolina who was a 3rd stringer.....that doesn't kill me. Do I want to see that? Of course not, but I don't see it as dropping off a cliff....that may have already happened.......we have to just see what happens now.

I agree with you on no excuses to a degree....I'm just hesitant on the 1st and 2nd string QB's going down. QB is not RB, WR, etc.....we lost our 1st 2 string QB's man. So to me I give a little slack on that.

Not a ton, but some.

We won today, and Tennessee won today. So that still keeps us, what, two games ahead of them?

What happens if we drop our next two and they win their next two?

We will have a "stranglehold" on the division when we actually win it.

ubecool454
11-27-2011, 05:58 PM
With the injury to both Schaub and now Leinart, is Kubiak's 8-3 start enough to secure another season as Head Coach?

Yes it is....the defense is winning for us now. We won't be scoring a lot of points like when Schaub was behind center but the defense is locking teams down too. On to the playoffs.......We are tied for the best record in the AFC and we still have fans that are thinking doomsday...tsk tsk

DexmanC
11-27-2011, 05:59 PM
Kubiak has already clinched 8-8.

He's safe.

gary
11-27-2011, 06:02 PM
I still do not see the Texans losing out.

ubecool454
11-27-2011, 06:04 PM
Did we win today????? Reading some of these posts u would think it was Houston Oilers at Buffalo all over again.:vincepalm:

HTown2ATX
11-27-2011, 06:15 PM
We won today, and Tennessee won today. So that still keeps us, what, two games ahead of them?

What happens if we drop our next two and they win their next two?

We will have a "stranglehold" on the division when we actually win it.

I don't have TEN's remaining schedule up right now and I'm leaving after I post this to take my daughter home so no time to look this up, but I believe their remaining schedule is much harder than ours and their team surrounding their QB is much worse, so yes, with a 2 game lead IMO we have this nearly sealed up.

I'm not guaranteeing it, but I don't see this team just folding up like they used too and the schedule is just the right degree of easiness for the injuries we have right now (don't forget we still play INDY again so we know we may as well view ourselves as 9-3 right now b/c INDY clearly quit so that is an automatic win.....)

Marcus
11-27-2011, 06:16 PM
Why wouldn't McNair use the injury situation as an excuse? Everyone else seems to be.

The more accurate question should be . . .

Should Kubiak keeps his job even if he does make the playoffs?

That's for all you "in spite of"s out there. :stirpot:

thunderkyss
11-27-2011, 06:19 PM
We won today, and Tennessee won today. So that still keeps us, what, two games ahead of them?

What happens if we drop our next two and they win their next two?

We will have a "stranglehold" on the division when we actually win it.

I believe he said we have a stranglehold "now"

If we were to win out (which is just as likely as Tennessee winning out) we win the division. Even if Tennessee comes to Reliant at 10-5 & we are 9-6 Jan 4, we win the division if we win that game.

It's all about us right now. We take care of business, we win the division... i.e. stranglehold.

burro
11-27-2011, 06:47 PM
Kubiak isn't getting fired if we make the playoffs, which only requires a win against Indy - and I'm all right with that, all things considered.

houstonspartan
11-27-2011, 06:58 PM
The douches on 610 just said that, even if we lose out and don't go to the playoffs that Kubiak deserves a pass.

Good lord. Will fans in this town EVER have any f-----g standards?



:vincepalm:

Dutchrudder
11-27-2011, 07:05 PM
I think Kubiak should keep his job this year regardless of the outcome from now on. The injuries to the team are immense but they have persevered. I can't be mad at him for much this year.

Thorn
11-27-2011, 07:11 PM
I think Kubiak should keep his job this year regardless of the outcome from now on. The injuries to the team are immense but they have persevered. I can't be mad at him for much this year.

As much as I wanted Kubiak gone, I'm going to have to agree with this. When you lose your 1st and 2nd string QB, it's a tough road to climb out of for any coach or team. Luckly we still have Carolina and Indy on our schedule.

meh......at this point, we don't have a lot to debate about. We all know what's happening. All we can do is just watch the games and hope for the best. An 11-5 season is still not unreasonable if Yates responds to coaching. That's a big if, but still, it's possible.

EllisUnit
11-27-2011, 07:13 PM
As much as I wanted Kubiak gone, I'm going to have to agree with this. When you lose your 1st and 2nd string QB, it's a tough road to climb out of for any coach or team. Luckly we still have Carolina and Indy on our schedule.

meh......at this point, we don't have a lot to debate about. We all know what's happening. All we can do is just watch the games and hope for the best. An 11-5 season is still not unreasonable if Yates responds to coaching. That's a big if, but still, it's possible.

Yates has it, i dont know what "IT" is but i see it in him.

noxiousdog
11-27-2011, 07:15 PM
Kubiak isn't a great head coach regardless of playoff appearances, injuries or anything else.

He might be good. He's certainly average. But he isn't great.

houstonspartan
11-27-2011, 07:16 PM
As much as I wanted Kubiak gone, I'm going to have to agree with this. When you lose your 1st and 2nd string QB, it's a tough road to climb out of for any coach or team. Luckly we still have Carolina and Indy on our schedule.

meh......at this point, we don't have a lot to debate about. We all know what's happening. All we can do is just watch the games and hope for the best. An 11-5 season is still not unreasonable if Yates responds to coaching. That's a big if, but still, it's possible.

Sometimes life doesn't work out the way we want it. Sometimes things just happen to us, fair or not.

McNair has been more than fair to Kubak. He would be within his rights to fire Kukbiak if we don't make the playoffs. The guy has been more than patient.

Thorn
11-27-2011, 07:23 PM
Sometimes life doesn't work out the way we want it. Sometimes things just happen to us, fair or not.

McNair has been more than fair to Kubak. He would be within his rights to fire Kukbiak if we don't make the playoffs. The guy has been more than patient.

Kubiak is not getting fired at the end of this season no matter what happens now, we might as well just get used to that. The reason this team is so good this year is because of Wade Phillips defense can stop teams. Last year if we could have stopped teams we'd have probably been in the playoffs. I agree with and also wish that Kubiak would have been gone a long time ago. But it's just not happening. Might as well get used to it, kind of like what we have to get used to with our QB situation right now.

That's just the way it is. And I'm going to keep cheering them on no matter what happens.

Pantherstang84
11-27-2011, 07:26 PM
Kubiak is not getting fired at the end of this season no matter what happens now, we might as well just get used to that. The reason this team is so good this year is because of Wade Phillips defense can stop teams. Last year if we could have stopped teams we'd have probably been in the playoffs. I agree with and also wish that Kubiak would have been gone a long time ago. But it's just not happening. Might as well get used to it, kind of like what we have to get used to with our QB situation right now.

That's just the way it is. And I'm going to keep cheering them on no matter what happens.

Absolutely. Praise The Lord and pass the ammunition.

HTown2ATX
11-27-2011, 07:46 PM
The douches on 610 just said that, even if we lose out and don't go to the playoffs that Kubiak deserves a pass.

Good lord. Will fans in this town EVER have any f-----g standards?



:vincepalm:

Man, believe me, for years now I have been in the same boat you are expressing and so have a lot of us for that matter. But I really think this is a different situation.

Now, having said that, should the team just collapse or quit, than I'm ok with booting Kubiak.

But what I think most of us are saying is this is not the "same old Texans" and I really don't see a collapse coming. Probably lose a couple more games than I would want now, but I don't see a collapse. Should the team come out and just look totally unprepared and bone head plays are called, then I think you see more people gravitate to your way of thinking that many of us have had before.

steelbtexan
11-27-2011, 07:57 PM
Why wouldn't McNair use the injury situation as an excuse? Everyone else seems to be.

The more accurate question should be . . .

Should Kubiak keeps his job even if he does make the playoffs?

That's for all you "in spite of"s out there. :stirpot:

Even though I wouldn't keep Gary regardless. (I dont think Gary ever wins a SB even with Schaub)

I dont think Gary should be fired unless there's a complete collapse. 0-5,1-4.

If BoBBY hasn't fired Gary after four 5-7's in a row. I sreiously doubt this will be the yr he fires Gary. Remeber BoBBy makes excuses for not firing Gary. Atleast this yr he will have a legitimate excuse for keeping Gary.

Maddict5
11-27-2011, 08:32 PM
i think we will make the playoffs. might be a close shave now though. id agree that this was a SB team before the injuries. GB won last yr with injuries but they werent key injuries to a-rod, clay etc like we've had.

i think kubiak has eliminated most of the doubt that he can be a successful coach with the teams performance this year so i think hes safe. fairly incredible sequence of injuries we've had/having and the team is still winning

Scooter
11-27-2011, 08:41 PM
i'm having trouble answering this one. it should be, but like TK said ... "but damn". kubiak built this team and it's currently 8-3, to fail would be catastrophic. however, i cant recall any team recently to have their 3rd string quarterback lead them into and/or through the playoffs. we just went from backup veteran "game manager" of a strong team to late round rookie trying not to screw up. i just dont know how to choose a side on this one.

cuppacoffee
11-27-2011, 08:49 PM
Yates has it, i dont know what "IT" is but i see it in him.

Agreed.

I think we are going to be pleasently suprised next week.

Now need to sign another QB. Garcia?



:coffee:

houstonspartan
11-27-2011, 08:59 PM
i think we will make the playoffs. might be a close shave now though. id agree that this was a SB team before the injuries. GB won last yr with injuries but they werent key injuries to a-rod, clay etc like we've had.

i think kubiak has eliminated most of the doubt that he can be a successful coach with the teams performance this year so i think hes safe. fairly incredible sequence of injuries we've had/having and the team is still winning

Slow your roll, hoss. This is Wade Phillips' team and Wade Phillips' season.

Buffi2
11-27-2011, 09:15 PM
Kubiak is so not leaving. We are 8 - 3 after losing so many starters I've lost count. McNair is not about to fire Kubiak after a bizarre season like this. Kubiak will return.

TheDrifter
11-27-2011, 09:17 PM
No reasonable owner is going to hold a head coach to the standard of "you were bulldozing into the playoffs, but couldn't finish the deal with TJ Frickin Yates at the most critical position in sports."

Its just not going to happen. And for all the whining, Kubiak fields a damn good offense most Sundays.

Kubiak stays. And at this point, rightfully so. Reload, heal up and come back next year.

Kimmy
11-27-2011, 09:18 PM
He's got more lives than an alley cat ....

Nawzer
11-27-2011, 09:25 PM
Kubiak will be back next year. As much as I want to see him gone, this has been a tough year for him and the entire coaching staff. Kudos to him for keeping the team together and playing well.

thunderkyss
11-27-2011, 09:38 PM
Agreed.

I think we are going to be pleasently suprised next week.


This team has surprised the freak'n heck out of me all year long.

No reason next week should be any different.

thunderkyss
11-27-2011, 09:41 PM
No reasonable owner is going to hold a head coach to the standard of "you were bulldozing into the playoffs, but couldn't finish the deal with TJ Frickin Yates at the most critical position in sports."


At the same time, what would happen if we continue to win with Yates?

If we beat Atlanta, then Cincy, then Carolina, with T.J. Yates....... what then?

Will Kubiak earn his keep?

Maddict5
11-27-2011, 09:48 PM
Slow your roll, hoss. This is Wade Phillips' team and Wade Phillips' season.

ha what bullshit. it wasnt cowhers or grudens teams either so, it was lebeau's & dungy's :rolleyes:

wade's been an awesome pickup (despite what you see on TT, you dont have to be anti one guy to be pro another when they're on the SAME team!)

they're a nice foil for each other imo. wade knows defence and can put guys in position to suceed but his discipline hasnt always been the best whereas that has never been a problem since kubiak has been HC here

thunderkyss
11-27-2011, 09:50 PM
ha what bullshit. it wasnt cowhers or grudens teams either so, it was lebeau's & dungy's :rolleyes:

wade's been an awesome pickup (despite what you see on TT, you dont have to be anti one guy to be pro another when they're on the SAME team!)

they're a nice foil for each other imo. wade knows defence and can put guys in position to suceed but his discipline hasnt always been the best whereas that has never been a problem since kubiak has been HC here

It's been a team thing, all year.

We still have a top 10 offense, Wade didn't do that.

Maddict5
11-27-2011, 09:50 PM
Kubiak will be back next year. As much as I want to see him gone, this has been a tough year for him and the entire coaching staff. Kudos to him for keeping the team together and playing well.

just wondering why ppl still want him gone at this stage when its pretty obvious we're one of the top teams in the league?

makes no sense to me

silentassassin
11-27-2011, 09:52 PM
Yates has it, i dont know what "IT" is but i see it in him.

I'm with you, even if we get dogged on for having no solid evidence or logical reason to believe it. I've let blind fandom take over at this point. I don't see any point for myself to feel discouraged or skeptical.. :texanbill:

Norg
11-27-2011, 10:20 PM
Tssssss. Hell yes kubes is save saver then fort knox we can lose out and misss the playoffs and he will still be save due to. Both matts going down he gets a save me pass. Lol

Kaiser Toro
11-27-2011, 10:23 PM
This is hunting season, not hatin' season - that begins in January. :kitten:

I am enjoying what I am seeing. I am also enjoying the efficiency. Once the season is over it will be time to re-evaluate.

thunderkyss
11-27-2011, 10:26 PM
just wondering why ppl still want him gone at this stage when its pretty obvious we're one of the top teams in the league?

makes no sense to me

I'm not one of those people, but..... what makes us one of the top teams in the league? 8-3?

New England will probably finish 13-3, 12-4.... something like that. Baltimore, Pittsburgh probably finish with 11 wins apiece.

If we finish 9-7, would you still think we're one of the best teams in the league?

I believe that's what it's all about. With TJ Yates pulling the trigger, we're not that 8-3 team. We might be better, chances are we're not... not even as good as that team. But we'll see.

IMO, the HC's job is all about the team, & all our wins have been team wins. The defense has only scored 7 points all year. They've helped the offense, short field, extra opportunities..... but it's been team wins all year long.

Kubiak has 5 games left (this season) if we go 2-3, we're still in the play-offs & we're still one of the better teams in the league. if we go 1-4 (9-7) miss the play-offs..... not so much.

DexmanC
11-28-2011, 01:02 AM
Every Kubiak season has featured at least one "1-4" stretch, so the jury is still
out on how good the 2011 season will ultimately be.

So far, so good though.

brakos82
11-28-2011, 01:22 AM
Did we win today????? Reading some of these posts u would think it was Houston Oilers at Buffalo all over again.:vincepalm:

Man I'm glad the Internet was still in its infancy back then. :gun:

Texanmike02
11-28-2011, 04:36 AM
Here's my position:

Can you find a coach that is going to make a difference next year? That should be the question that always drives decisions like this. In my opinion a Cowher doesn't fix this team. He's a defensive mastermind. Last time I checked, we've got one of those. Who comes in and gets more production out of our offense? The thing is I don't know how you answer that question. There are some holes on this team but I don't think there are enough that you point at them and say well we definitely need to start over. Who do you go get? I'll be honest, if this is a 11 or 12 win team (which I believe we are) and we have to "endure" 3 or 4 10+ win seasons in a row, I'm ok with that.

Instead of "is this a playoffs or else" year, the question should be "Is there any coach that makes this team better than Kubiak does?" If the answer is yes then go get him. I don't think that answer is yes. Not unless you're going to blow the offense up.

Mike

I thought we were a 10 win team before the season. I think we were a 12 win team prior to Schaub getting hurt. This is a damn good team.

Grams
11-28-2011, 07:12 AM
At the same time, what would happen if we continue to win with Yates?

If we beat Atlanta, then Cincy, then Carolina, with T.J. Yates....... what then?

Will Kubiak earn his keep?

Yes.

ObsiWan
11-28-2011, 07:36 AM
ha what bullshit. it wasnt cowhers or grudens teams either so, it was lebeau's & dungy's :rolleyes:

wade's been an awesome pickup (despite what you see on TT, you dont have to be anti one guy to be pro another when they're on the SAME team!)

they're a nice foil for each other imo. wade knows defence and can put guys in position to suceed but his discipline hasnt always been the best whereas that has never been a problem since kubiak has been HC here

QFT

repped

NitroGSXR
11-28-2011, 09:13 AM
No reasonable owner is going to hold a head coach to the standard of "you were bulldozing into the playoffs, but couldn't finish the deal with TJ Frickin Yates at the most critical position in sports."

Its just not going to happen. And for all the whining, Kubiak fields a damn good offense most Sundays.

Kubiak stays. And at this point, rightfully so. Reload, heal up and come back next year.

I'll tell you what... we hired Kubiak because he's a QB guru. This is crunch time for Kubiak and to get the rookie he selected up to speed with a week of practice. Difficult but isnt Kubiak supposed to shine in this area? So... this IS Kubiak's playoff stretch. He's 1-0 as of yesterday so I'm real happy so far. I don't think we've ever punted so much before yesterday but I am still happy. We won and we won convincingly.

I'm worried about Andre. What little I saw of him (and I watched hard), he looked plain. I'm afraid that Kubiak will be eating a Yates/Jones sandwich... as rotten as that is... Kubiak gets a pass. Bullshit. He is EXPECTED to pull out the win. It's all about results results results.

thunderkyss
11-28-2011, 10:15 AM
I'm worried about Andre. What little I saw of him (and I watched hard), he looked plain. I'm afraid that Kubiak will be eating a Yates/Jones sandwich... as rotten as that is... Kubiak gets a pass. Bullshit. He is EXPECTED to pull out the win. It's all about results results results.

Are you expecting Kubiak to go 5-0 over the next 5 games?

I mean I do... I expect a good football team to win every game they play. As far as I'm concerned, we're better than every team on our schedule, other than Atlanta (but we play them at home).

I'm just trying to clarify this "bullshit" statement. I think we still win the division, is that what you are talking about, or do you think it would be "bullshit" if we don't win out?

NitroGSXR
11-28-2011, 10:38 AM
Are you expecting Kubiak to go 5-0 over the next 5 games?

I mean I do... I expect a good football team to win every game they play. As far as I'm concerned, we're better than every team on our schedule, other than Atlanta (but we play them at home).

I'm just trying to clarify this "bullshit" statement. I think we still win the division, is that what you are talking about, or do you think it would be "bullshit" if we don't win out?

No. I expect us to lose out and still make the playoffs. I think a lot of you are dismissing the Colts and Panthers a little too quickly. They will have Luck all locked up. Manning hasn't been IR'ed. Cam Newton is a playmaker and our offense became anemic. Seems like a bad combination all around for Kubiak. He must continue to produce results. Going 0-6, 1-5, or even 2-4 with a soft schedule ahead is NOT it.

thunderkyss
11-28-2011, 10:47 AM
He must continue to produce results. Going 0-6, 1-5, or even 2-4 with a soft schedule ahead is NOT it.

Then you're basically saying the same thing everyone else is... just a little too much hate & negatism.

But I can guarantee you we won't go 0-6 or 2-4. I highly doubt we'll go 1-5 from here on out.

I'm not looking past anyone. We take each game one at a time.

HJam72
11-28-2011, 10:54 AM
We only have 5 games left, not 6.

2-3 over the next five would not thrill me at all, but it's 10 wins and I say 10 wins keeps Kube's job in tact, especially under the circumstances.

Let's just get Rosencopter and win all 5!

NitroGSXR
11-28-2011, 10:59 AM
We only have 5 games left, not 6.

2-3 over the next five would not thrill me at all, but it's 10 wins and I say 10 wins keeps Kube's job in tact, especially under the circumstances.

Let's just get Rosencopter and win all 5!

I was counting our first round exit.

HJam72
11-28-2011, 11:00 AM
I was counting our first round exit.

Oh, OK, LOL.

Corrosion
11-28-2011, 11:25 AM
At the same time, what would happen if we continue to win with Yates?

If we beat Atlanta, then Cincy, then Carolina, with T.J. Yates....... what then?

Will Kubiak earn his keep?

Not according to some. They want him gone any way they can get it.

If they havent given Gary any credit for getting the team to this point with the injuries they have already sustained .... they could bring home a Lombardi Trophy and these same people would still be flying their "Anybody but Kubiak in 2012" Sigs.

First two games the offense is without the leagues leading rusher from last season - They didnt miss a beat.

No J-Jo for the first game.

They lose Walter for a game.

They lose MW for the season and a rookie steps in and fills the void.

They lose D.Manning for 4 games , Nolan plays well in his place.

Next up .... Casey and AJ for 2 and 6 games respectively.

Get #80 back and lose #'s 8 & 11 .... the result a W with a 3rd string QB who protected a lead in the second half by making no mistakes while completing better than 50% of his passes after being the scout team QB all season and Leinart getting the lions share of the reps during the last week since he had to get up to speed.


Getting rid of Kubiak could very well be like losing Schaub for many - They arent satisfied with Schaub because he isnt Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady .... but he's better than all but a handful of QB's in the league. They'd rather be like Miami or The Redskins.

Slow your roll, hoss. This is Wade Phillips' team and Wade Phillips' season.

While Wade has done a great job with the defense .... he does nothing for the offense ..... and he does answer to Gary at the end of the day. You are delusional.

8-3 with the #1 seed in the AFC after 11 games despite a ton of injuries to key players ..... a Lombardi wouldnt satisfy the "Fire Kubiak" crowd. Kinda remind me of the "Occupy" crowd who dont know what they want ....

Texecutioner
11-28-2011, 12:02 PM
First off Kubiak aint going anywhere after this season, so that is that. Anyone who has any hopes of that still is just kidding themselves at this stage. Kubes will be back next season fellas.


This might surprise some people, but I'm okay with that going into next season. I don't think I've seen any team have this many key injuries to top players on one team as I've seen on the Texans this year. It's been just sad and depressing at this point once Leinart went down. Our season is officially over as far as a real playoff run goes. I think we'll make the post season, but we won't make any run at all considering what we'll have to work with at QB. I hate Kubiak and hae for years, but the Texans are 8-3 after all of these bad injuries and so for the first time in team history, I can honestly say that this is an over achieving team that I've been proud to watch this year. They've stuck their chest out through adversity and carried their weight like a real winning football team does. Can Kubiak sustain multiple seasons like that?? Probably not, and yeah that worries me, but there is no way that Bob Mcnair is going to fire him after this many key injuries. If he was fired, I don't think it would be unfair at all considering his 5 year history of failures, but Gary has done a good job with this team this season and Mcnair won't even consider firing Gary.

Double Barrel
11-28-2011, 01:12 PM
Kubiak's job was safe before this game and it's safe now.

I've said it all season. McNair has built in excuses...errr....reasons. Lock-out, new DC, and from the beginning of the season, injuries.

We know McNair's M.O. after watching this franchise for a decade. This thread would not even exist if some folks just paid attention.

As for opinion of "should he be fire if [blank] happens", no. We've got a TEAM now that rallies, and we have some really positive momentum aspects happening that would be blown up if McNair fires the head coach. Regardless of how this season plays out, Kubiak should, and will, be here in 2012.

ObsiWan
11-28-2011, 01:17 PM
First off Kubiak aint going anywhere after this season, so that is that. Anyone who has any hopes of that still is just kidding themselves at this stage. Kubes will be back next season fellas.


This might surprise some people, but I'm okay with that going into next season. I don't think I've seen any team have this many key injuries to top players on one team as I've seen on the Texans this year. It's been just sad and depressing at this point once Leinart went down. Our season is officially over as far as a real playoff run goes. I think we'll make the post season, but we won't make any run at all considering what we'll have to work with at QB. I hate Kubiak and hae for years, but the Texans are 8-3 after all of these bad injuries and so for the first time in team history, I can honestly say that this is an over achieving team that I've been proud to watch this year. They've stuck their chest out through adversity and carried their weight like a real winning football team does. Can Kubiak sustain multiple seasons like that?? Probably not, and yeah that worries me, but there is no way that Bob Mcnair is going to fire him after this many key injuries. If he was fired, I don't think it would be unfair at all considering his 5 year history of failures, but Gary has done a good job with this team this season and Mcnair won't even consider firing Gary.

If you really felt that way, you'd change tha sig.
I hear the Rosencopter one ("football sold separately") is coming back into style.
:)

Corrosion
11-28-2011, 01:39 PM
If you really felt that way, you'd change tha sig.
I hear the Rosencopter one ("football sold separately") is coming back into style.
:)

Thats the first thing I thought when I finished reading his post .... :photos:

Texecutioner
11-28-2011, 01:52 PM
If you really felt that way, you'd change tha sig.
I hear the Rosencopter one ("football sold separately") is coming back into style.
:)

I really don't care what anyone thinks about the sig. Never have. I'll sport it until I feel it should go down and Gary has more than one good season to make up for the last 5 that were negative ones. Like I said, I wouldn't be upset at all if he was fired. He should have been two years ago.

I'm willing to ease off the gas pedal though after what I've seen this season and I don't think he "should" be fired after I've seen the team over achieve this season. Way to much adversity of injuries to blame the coach for anything this time around. Bottom line is that I know that he won't be fired so it doesn't really matter any way.

For the people saying that people would still be begging to have Gary fired if we won the Lombardi trophy are completely full of it and sensationalizing things as usual.

thunderkyss
11-28-2011, 02:03 PM
Kubiak's job was safe before this game and it's safe now.

I've said it all season. McNair has built in excuses...errr....reasons. Lock-out, new DC, and from the beginning of the season, injuries.


I didn't start this thread. But I think I've asked the same question in another thread (or two).

I'm more concerned with what the fans think.

We know what McNair is going to do.

I know it doesn't matter & that McNair's opinion is the only one that does (ultimately). I'd just like to know.

GP
11-28-2011, 02:04 PM
The "Anybody But Kubiak 2012" signature should remain on at least a few poster's sig lines.

It's just a reminder that one decent season cannot outweigh five previously mediocre seasons.

The sig is like a blinking caution light in some small town. You're cruising through the intersection at like 2 a.m. and it's there to remind you that another lane of traffic might pose danger if you're not paying full attention while proceeding through the light.

Or like a lighthouse throwing out a beam of light to tell ship captains that they're near the shore.

It doesn't mean you'll crash. It just says "Hey! You might be in for a rude awakening if you don't pay attention."

Deep, huh?

ObsiWan
11-28-2011, 02:10 PM
I really don't care what anyone thinks about the sig. Never have. I'll sport it until I feel it should go down and Gary has more than one good season to make up for the last 5 that were negative ones. Like I said, I wouldn't be upset at all if he was fired. He should have been two years ago.

I'm willing to ease off the gas pedal though after what I've seen this season and I don't think he "should" be fired after I've seen the team over achieve this season. Way to much adversity of injuries to blame the coach for anything this time around. Bottom line is that I know that he won't be fired so it doesn't really matter any way.

For the people saying that people would still be begging to have Gary fired if we won the Lombardi trophy are completely full of it and sensationalizing things as usual.

I guess what actually bugs me about the sig is the "Anyone" part. I can think of a whole list of guys that would have us in worse shape than Kubiak. When you used to sport the pro-Cowher sig, I could totally understand that. Guy has a good rep, he's smart, he's a player motivator. But "Anyone"...?

Anyway, I respect that you're giving a fair assessment regarding this year's team.
:tiphat:
Should Kubiak have been gone at the end of last year? Even I have to say, "yes". I was never going to sport the soap but I wouldn't have been surprised if McNair had shown him the door.

Should he be fired based on this year's performance. Not if you're fair about it. Besides, as TexanMike said, who you gonna bring in that could get more out of this team than the staff has this season.

If folks are still holding grudges from previous years, well then nothing he can do will erase the past. Those folks will always "hate" on him.

Marcus
11-28-2011, 02:28 PM
If folks are still holding grudges from previous years, well then nothing he can do will erase the past. Those folks will always "hate" on him.

Yup, that's exactly what it boils down to . . . people holding a grudge because Kubiak wasn't fired.

I'm going to thoroughly enjoy watching them all choke to death on all that crow they going to be forced to eat.

Texecutioner
11-28-2011, 03:12 PM
I guess what actually bugs me about the sig is the "Anyone" part. I can think of a whole list of guys that would have us in worse shape than Kubiak. When you used to sport the pro-Cowher sig, I could totally understand that. Guy has a good rep, he's smart, he's a player motivator. But "Anyone"...?

Anyway, I respect that you're giving a fair assessment regarding this year's team.
:tiphat:
Should Kubiak have been gone at the end of last year? Even I have to say, "yes". I was never going to sport the soap but I wouldn't have been surprised if McNair had shown him the door.

Should he be fired based on this year's performance. Not if you're fair about it. Besides, as TexanMike said, who you gonna bring in that could get more out of this team than the staff has this season.

If folks are still holding grudges from previous years, well then nothing he can do will erase the past. Those folks will always "hate" on him.

I think I've been very fair about Kubiak. I haven't said much about him this season, and I'll be fine with him coming back next season, because for the first time in history he has over achieved with a team and they've played like a true contender. Maybe I'll drop the sig soon, but not yet. I worry a lot about how one season can make people forget about the previous 5 though. But this year, I almost want to root for the guy to keep his job only because the injuries are maybe the worst I've seen in history in one season and we've still played well throughout that and that's mainly because of the defense, but we're playing at a high level regardless and that's all I've ever wanted to see. If Kubiak can have this team playing at a consistency like this again next season, than I might start liking the guy. I've got to see some longevity though, and this year I'll give Kubiak a A as far as how he has been able to have this team ready to play. You know my opinions and posting history as well as anyone Obi, and you've got to admit that it's pretty crazy to see me giving Kubiak an "A" this year. And I'm very happy to do it man.

Yup, that's exactly what it boils down to . . . people holding a grudge because Kubiak wasn't fired.

I'm going to thoroughly enjoy watching them all choke to death on all that crow they going to be forced to eat.


You never cease to amaze me Marcus. You've been far off on this team for years and yet you still have the adacity to talk about all these other people eating crow. It's like hearing Ndamukong Suh go on a tirade about player safety and being a good sport. You've still got years of crow sitting your pantry buddy. Chomp away.

thunderkyss
11-28-2011, 03:19 PM
The "Anybody But Kubiak 2012" signature should remain on at least a few poster's sig lines.

It's just a reminder that one decent season cannot outweigh five previously mediocre seasons.

I'm fine with them. If that's the way people feel, that's the way people feel. Maybe a little harsh, but he's earned those stripes.

thunderkyss
11-28-2011, 03:27 PM
I guess what actually bugs me about the sig is the "Anyone" part. I can think of a whole list of guys that would have us in worse shape than Kubiak. When you used to sport the pro-Cowher sig, I could totally understand that. Guy has a good rep, he's smart, he's a player motivator. But "Anyone"...?


I used to think that as well. When the Bills fired their coach a little while back & couldn't give that job to anybody I laughed. When they hired Chan Gailey...... I laughed.

I ain't laughing now. They look to have lost some steam, but we're what 3 seasons in & New England's butt's are puckered when they go to Buffalo (or Canada or where ever they play).

ObsiWan
11-28-2011, 03:30 PM
I'm fine with them. If that's the way people feel, that's the way people feel. Maybe a little harsh, but he's earned those stripes.

Like I said, it's just the "Anyone" part that bugs me. If you got a better man for the job, let us know who he is. Hell, I might agree with you.

But "Anyone"?
Would you want Andy Reid in here?
Norv Turner?
Jim Caldwell?
Shanny Sr.??
Pete Carroll...??
Jim Mora...? Jim Mora Jr.
Brian Billick...?? (ummm, maybe :D )

I'll stand pat with "Team Wary" if those are my choices.

infantrycak
11-28-2011, 03:37 PM
Like I said, it's just the "Anyone" part that bugs me. If you got a better man for the job, let us know who he is. Hell, I might agree with you.

But "Anyone"?
Would you want Andy Reid in here?
Norv Turner?
Jim Caldwell?
Shanny Sr.??
Pete Carroll...??

I'll stand pat with "Team Wary" if those are my choices.

I'd add John Gruden and Jack Del Rio to that list.

GP
11-28-2011, 03:43 PM
Like I said, it's just the "Anyone" part that bugs me. If you got a better man for the job, let us know who he is. Hell, I might agree with you.

But "Anyone"?
Would you want Andy Reid in here?
Norv Turner?
Jim Caldwell?
Shanny Sr.??
Pete Carroll...??
Jim Mora...? Jim Mora Jr.
Brian Billick...?? (ummm, maybe :D )

I'll stand pat with "Team Wary" if those are my choices.

The "Anyone" is, IMO, a bit of tongue-in-cheek paying homage to the Anybody But Obama 2012 bumper sticker.

To me, it's really more of an ultimatum than signifying we'd be happy with Cher or John Madden or just any bum on the street coaching the team. I'll tell you guys this...after watching the Tom Landry episode of the A Football Life on NFL Network, it's kinda' similar to what Kubiak is going through right now. The patterns are almost identical. Still, 6 years is a long time in this day and age.

It's an attempt at levity, which I think is really lost on a lot of people here. I know for a fact that there is a few guys on here who have been very outspoken how they dislike ANY humorous posts in the TexansTalk forum because they think it should be nothing but serious discussion and little whipper-snappers are using it as their Quick Wit Playground.

Don't make me post the Lighten Up, Francis pic....