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rmartin65
11-27-2011, 04:12 PM
Alright, this mock may be a little outdated. I finished it last night, so I dont exactly know what to do about QB. Anyway, hope you guys like it.

1) Memphis NT Dontari Poe, 6’5” 350 lbs
Like the rest of the scouting community (at least it seems that way), I am joining the Poe to the Texans bandwagon. I had him ranked as a 2nd/3rd at the start of the year, but with no other NTs stepping up and Poe playing very well, I think he is worth a late first. A big guy who moves like he weighs 50 pounds less than he is, Poe can occupy two lineman, and perhaps even create a little push. At 6’5” Poe serves as a skyscraper in the QBs line of sight, which helps shut down the short passing game across the middle.
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/240/369/dontaripoe_display_image.jpg?1314616530

2) Oklahoma OLB Ronnell Lewis, 6’2” 245 lbs
The Hammer. Lewis provides insurance in case Mario leaves (which I think he does- salary issues), leaving the team with 3 dynamic pass rushers at OLB. Lewis can also play on special teams, meaning he will immediately see the field while earning the intricacies of OLB.
http://www.thestreet.com/content/image/99353.include

3) San Diego State QB Ryan Lindley, 6’4” 230 lbs
Schaub is down, and Leinart… well, let’s say he does not inspire much confidence. Maybe he plays well, but if so he leaves in search of a starting job. Lindley has pro size, a pro arm, and pro mobility. What he needs is to play around talent and learn how to read a defense a little better. If he sits for a year I think Lindley can be an upper-tier starting QB in the future.
http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/ap_photo/20101224/all/l4920578.jpg

4) Oklahoma WR Ryan Broyles, 5’11” 185 lbs
Broyles has been put in so many mocks this year that I wont write anything more, other than say that he is a player.
http://ou101.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/ryan-broyles.jpg

5) South Dakota LT Tom Compton, 6’6” 315 lbs
A small-school LT with great athleticism, Compton becomes the new swing tackle. If he can get his technique down while adding a bit of strength, Compton could move Brown inside or to RT. A negative on Compton is that he does not play overly mean; hopefully practicing against Cushing can help him out there.

6) UConn OC Moe Petrus, 6’2” 305 lbs
A bit old for a rookie, Petrus can be the backup right away, and be a starter once Myers leaves. His mobility is outstanding, and displays solid technique.
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0714/ncf_u_mpetrus_jh_200.jpg

7) Michigan DE Ryan van Bergen, 6’6” 290 lbs
Van Bergen is little more than a poor man’s Watt. And I am seeing enough while watching Michigan that perhaps with NFL coaching and training that he can be another Watt. Van Bergan plays strong on the line of scrimmage, and is a threat to reach the passer if left to only one blocker.
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/103/878/105111220_display_image.jpg?1310981625

I feel that this mock gives the team what it needs to make a true Super Bowl push- A strong NT to solidify the line, a rush OLB to help put pressure on the QB, a backup QB, A number 2 or 3 receiver to capitalize in the space provided by AJ, a swing tackle, a backup interior lineman and a new member to the 3-4 DE rotation.

bah007
11-28-2011, 12:56 AM
I like Poe. Wouldn't throw a fit if we drafted him, but I'm more interested in Brandon Thompson from Clemson.

Lewis is definitely a dynamic player. He won't be available at our selection in the second round though.

I think Lindley is a real sleeper in this draft. I think he projects as one of the better pro QB prospects in this draft class.

Great pick here with Broyles.

I'm not familiar with Compton.

Petrus is a very solid late round pick. He would make the roster.

Van Bergen definitely has a future as a 34 DE in the NFL. I think the poor man's Watt is a perfect comparison.

I would be on board with this draft big time. Great work.

badboy
11-28-2011, 10:04 AM
Alright, this mock may be a little outdated. I finished it last night, so I dont exactly know what to do about QB. Anyway, hope you guys like it.

1) Memphis NT Dontari Poe, 6’5” 350 lbs
Like the rest of the scouting community (at least it seems that way), I am joining the Poe to the Texans bandwagon. I had him ranked as a 2nd/3rd at the start of the year, but with no other NTs stepping up and Poe playing very well, I think he is worth a late first. A big guy who moves like he weighs 50 pounds less than he is, Poe can occupy two lineman, and perhaps even create a little push. At 6’5” Poe serves as a skyscraper in the QBs line of sight, which helps shut down the short passing game across the middle.
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/240/369/dontaripoe_display_image.jpg?1314616530

2) Oklahoma OLB Ronnell Lewis, 6’2” 245 lbs
The Hammer. Lewis provides insurance in case Mario leaves (which I think he does- salary issues), leaving the team with 3 dynamic pass rushers at OLB. Lewis can also play on special teams, meaning he will immediately see the field while earning the intricacies of OLB.
http://www.thestreet.com/content/image/99353.include

3) San Diego State QB Ryan Lindley, 6’4” 230 lbs
Schaub is down, and Leinart… well, let’s say he does not inspire much confidence. Maybe he plays well, but if so he leaves in search of a starting job. Lindley has pro size, a pro arm, and pro mobility. What he needs is to play around talent and learn how to read a defense a little better. If he sits for a year I think Lindley can be an upper-tier starting QB in the future.
http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/ap_photo/20101224/all/l4920578.jpg

4) Oklahoma WR Ryan Broyles, 5’11” 185 lbs
Broyles has been put in so many mocks this year that I wont write anything more, other than say that he is a player.
http://ou101.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/ryan-broyles.jpg

5) South Dakota LT Tom Compton, 6’6” 315 lbs
A small-school LT with great athleticism, Compton becomes the new swing tackle. If he can get his technique down while adding a bit of strength, Compton could move Brown inside or to RT. A negative on Compton is that he does not play overly mean; hopefully practicing against Cushing can help him out there.

6) UConn OC Moe Petrus, 6’2” 305 lbs
A bit old for a rookie, Petrus can be the backup right away, and be a starter once Myers leaves. His mobility is outstanding, and displays solid technique.
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0714/ncf_u_mpetrus_jh_200.jpg

7) Michigan DE Ryan van Bergen, 6’6” 290 lbs
Van Bergen is little more than a poor man’s Watt. And I am seeing enough while watching Michigan that perhaps with NFL coaching and training that he can be another Watt. Van Bergan plays strong on the line of scrimmage, and is a threat to reach the passer if left to only one blocker.
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/103/878/105111220_display_image.jpg?1310981625

I feel that this mock gives the team what it needs to make a true Super Bowl push- A strong NT to solidify the line, a rush OLB to help put pressure on the QB, a backup QB, A number 2 or 3 receiver to capitalize in the space provided by AJ, a swing tackle, a backup interior lineman and a new member to the 3-4 DE rotation.Lienert is under contract 2012 & I doubt he goes anywhere unless we get a sweet offer. We are stuck with 2 Matt's and a Yates.

BigBull17
11-28-2011, 11:02 AM
Highly doubt you are gonna be able to justify moving Brown. The dude is honestly a top 5 LT.

Insideop
11-28-2011, 01:58 PM
Highly doubt you are gonna be able to justify moving Brown. The dude is honestly a top 5 LT.

I have to agree with this. If the Texans continue to win, even with TJ, and the O-line keeps playing the way they have, Brown could be going to the Pro-Bowl, along with Myers and Winston! Now wouldn't that be something! :shades:

beerlover
11-28-2011, 04:17 PM
Did you print this post Lienart going down or just before it happened?

I wasn't sold on picking Poe myself, you taking him too helped make me feel a little better about it.

I know you like Lewis, if he's there that would be cool with me.

smart move to add a value pick @ QB position given uncertainty.

we agree again on a player, surprise surprise.

with importance of keeping our QB's clean depth on OL is important. don't know much about small school Compton but your the expert here. like Petrus very solid pick.

Remember Tim Jamison playing @ Michigan have no problem taking another one late, he is playing extremely well lately.

If I could leave as many of your picks in place as they are, I would change up your 1st & 3rd rd. picks. take a QB in first & NT in the third. You know I would trade up for Barkley but for mock draft purposes I will limit choices to Kellen Moore or Landry Jones. Third round NY prospects would be Jaye Howard, 6-3 303 Florida or Michigan NT Mike Martin, 6-1 304.

Wolf6151
11-29-2011, 01:25 AM
Does anyone have a link to some video of Poe, all I can find on YouTube is interviews? Without video all I have to go by are comments and opinions and although I trust several of you guys opinions and am warming up to the idea of Poe in the 1st I can't fully agree until I can see the guy in action for myself. Thanks.

beerlover
11-29-2011, 10:11 AM
Does anyone have a link to some video of Poe, all I can find on YouTube is interviews? Without video all I have to go by are comments and opinions and although I trust several of you guys opinions and am warming up to the idea of Poe in the 1st I can't fully agree until I can see the guy in action for myself. Thanks.

Have to find a Memphis source.

here is a recent comparison via bleecher so take it with a grain of salt

35. Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis

Best-case NFL comparison: Jay Ratliff, Dallas Cowboys

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/958838-2012-nfl-draft-big-board-week-13-update-with-nfl-comparisons/page/3

Wolf6151
11-29-2011, 01:30 PM
Have to find a Memphis source.

here is a recent comparison via bleecher so take it with a grain of salt



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/958838-2012-nfl-draft-big-board-week-13-update-with-nfl-comparisons/page/3

I'll take that comparison with a pound of salt. Comparing a 350 lbs. player with a 287 lbs. player? I haven't seen Poe play but I doubt seriously that he has Jay Ratliff type speed. I'll keep looking for some video and post it if I find it.

Google is great, but apparently there are no playing videos of Poe on the net. I've seen lots of interviews and weight lifting but no action. When I can find video of every other player out there on the net and can only find interviews and weight lifting on Poe, it sets off a red flag to me. Why are they building a hype machine with no action videos. I'm cautious and can't support a Poe in the 1st round pick if I can't see him play. I think the Combine will be very important for him and might solidify him as a top talent or drop him significantly.

J-Russ
12-19-2011, 11:30 PM
Weren't you the same guy that was fervent in drafting Kyle Wilson, went insano mode when we picked Tate over Gerhart, and celebrated by snorting coc from a strippers ass when Aldon was drafted before us so Rick had no chance of drafting him?

TimeKiller
12-20-2011, 07:49 AM
Weren't you the same guy that was fervent in drafting Kyle Wilson, went insano mode when we picked Tate over Gerhart, and celebrated by snorting coc from a strippers ass when Aldon was drafted before us so Rick had no chance of drafting him?

Weren't you the guy that waited until hindsight was clear enough to dredge up some 3 week old mock to make fun of a guy who has entirely more credibility than you?

I await your mock. It better be "insano mode".

rmartin65
12-20-2011, 08:10 AM
Weren't you the same guy that was fervent in drafting Kyle Wilson, went insano mode when we picked Tate over Gerhart, and celebrated by snorting coc from a strippers ass when Aldon was drafted before us so Rick had no chance of drafting him?

Hey jruss

I would not say fervent, but I did like Wilson better than KJ. Still do, actually.

Yep, I liked Gerhart a lot better than Tate, and it appears I was wrong. I have no problem admitting that, and have done so multiple times on this board. In fact, I am on record saying Tate was my second favorite back in the draft, so it is not like I thought Tate was terrible. I just thought that Gerhart would prove to be a better back in this system. I still think that could be the case, but we will never know. That is the interesting part about the draft- you can never tell who would do what if placed in a different situation. Look at Babin- the dude could not sniff a QB here, while he is doing very well in Philly and Tennessee.

All in all, sorry I am not batting 100%. I guess that is why I am not paid to do this, and only do it as a hobby. Go tell the NFL team that you work for that I am sorry, and will never do it again.

EDIT: Forgot to address the snorting "coc" thing. I did not like Smith in this defense. I still dont. In SF he is a pass down player only. In Watt we have a 3-down player. Also, I saw that there were more rush OLBs available later in the draft, than there were 3-4 DEs. Watt was a better pick for the Texans.

Since I am here... first post since 09? And you dig up a 2 week post? Get a life.

badboy
12-20-2011, 08:28 AM
Weren't you the same guy that was fervent in drafting Kyle Wilson, went insano mode when we picked Tate over Gerhart, and celebrated by snorting coc from a strippers ass when Aldon was drafted before us so Rick had no chance of drafting him?That was me J-Russ. Glad you are joining the forum. I've been looking for some of the research you have shared with the board? Or do you just show up occasionally, trash another poster and slink off? BTW, classy comments about the stripper.

I thought Tate was good but really thought Gerhart had the power to break tackles that we were looking for in the ZBS we ran. I still think he is a perfect fit. He has been playing behind someone & we still have not seen all he can do. I was also a huge fan of Kyle Wilson.

TimeKiller
12-20-2011, 10:05 AM
I'd like to see Gerhart in a featured role. When he was in college there were points were it seemed like it would take the whole defense to bring him down. He wasn't fast, he wasn't flashy but boy could he go tank mode and just roll over people!!

Wolf6151
12-20-2011, 11:12 AM
Weren't you the same guy that was fervent in drafting Kyle Wilson, went insano mode when we picked Tate over Gerhart, and celebrated by snorting coc from a strippers ass when Aldon was drafted before us so Rick had no chance of drafting him?



Really? :vincepalm: Come back when you have something constructive to contribute.

steelbtexan
12-20-2011, 11:38 AM
Really? :vincepalm: Come back when you have something constructive to contribute.

^^^^
This

Dont you just love it when people who very rarely enter the draft section come in and cherry pick a regular contributor.

I dont neg rep people but if I did jruss deserves one.

BTW, I like the combo of Watt/Reed over Smith. Didn't like eiither KJ or Wilson. My guy was the CB from Wake Forest who's been cut. Shows what I know, jruss why dont you go back thru my picks and rip them apart. You're a real peach.

If you want to post your own mock for the rest of the MB to see it would be appreciated. But I dont think we will have to worry about that.

beerlover
12-20-2011, 12:06 PM
I think jruss was just trying to fill everyone with his blend of holiday cheer & he probably got his desired results :ant:

I will say one thing about these selections, sometimes they are based too much on team need. when you do that often times you get in trouble, case in point two years ago everyone & there cousin knew the Texans were going to draft a CB, which they did, so they reached for who they thought was the best CB on their draft board. Lesson learned, I hope because this year it's WR. Are the Texans going to repeat that same mistake?

rmartin65
12-20-2011, 12:18 PM
I think jruss was just trying to fill everyone with his blend of holiday cheer & he probably got his desired results :ant:

I will say one thing about these selections, sometimes they are based too much on team need. when you do that often times you get in trouble, case in point two years ago everyone & there cousin knew the Texans were going to draft a CB, which they did, so they reached for who they thought was the best CB on their draft board. Lesson learned, I hope because this year it's WR. Are the Texans going to repeat that same mistake?

I really dont see a WR I like in the first. Blackmon, Jeffery and Floyd will likely go too high. Then the next tier guys I have ranked mid to low second. They all have flaws that I think will prevent them from being worthy of a first round pick.

I still really like Poe in the first. However, maybe we go WR in the second (McNutt/Toon/Fuller), and go from there.

badboy
12-20-2011, 01:17 PM
I really dont see a WR I like in the first. Blackmon, Jeffery and Floyd will likely go too high. Then the next tier guys I have ranked mid to low second. They all have flaws that I think will prevent them from being worthy of a first round pick.

I still really like Poe in the first. However, maybe we go WR in the second (McNutt/Toon/Fuller), and go from there.Agreed. I'd really like a trade back to get my guy but doubt it will happen. I know whom I want to see on Texans and think he will be gone by our pick so I'll tag him in first probably.

Wolf6151
12-20-2011, 02:17 PM
I really dont see a WR I like in the first. Blackmon, Jeffery and Floyd will likely go too high. Then the next tier guys I have ranked mid to low second. They all have flaws that I think will prevent them from being worthy of a first round pick.

I still really like Poe in the first. However, maybe we go WR in the second (McNutt/Toon/Fuller), and go from there.

IMO, Jones is worthy of a mid 20's 1st round pick, he's got the size, speed, hands, body, and athleticism to be a 1st round pick. I also know that we have depth needs at many positions but think that we could go BPA after a WR in the 1st round. I also wouldn't be upset if the Texans concentrated on the O-line in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, it's way past time we spent some early picks on the O-line and improved our talent level there. This draft seems to be stronger and deeper on the offensive side of the ball and I think we should not force filling defensive positions with subpar talent just because it's a need. We've got defensive starters so go where the value is, BPA.

badboy
12-20-2011, 02:32 PM
IMO, Jones is worthy of a mid 20's 1st round pick, he's got the size, speed, hands, body, and athleticism to be a 1st round pick. I also know that we have depth needs at many positions but think that we could go BPA after a WR in the 1st round. I also wouldn't be upset if the Texans concentrated on the O-line in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, it's way past time we spent some early picks on the O-line and improved our talent level there. This draft seems to be stronger and deeper on the offensive side of the ball and I think we should not force filling defensive positions with subpar talent just because it's a need. We've got defensive starters so go where the value is, BPA.What keeps pushing the players I want up my board is not knowing if they will be available next round our selection, if that makes sense. IMO, a #2 WR is more needed than a NT. Having said that, If I could get say McNutt #59 second round, I'd go for a NT in first.

Your thoughts?

Wolf6151
12-20-2011, 03:43 PM
What keeps pushing the players I want up my board is not knowing if they will be available next round our selection, if that makes sense. IMO, a #2 WR is more needed than a NT. Having said that, If I could get say McNutt #59 second round, I'd go for a NT in first.

Your thoughts?

Your statement makes perfect sense. If we're drafting in the late 1st round you almost have to approach it from the stand point of the 1st round players don't exist to you unless someone of great value just falls. Honestly though I don't think we're picking in the late 1st. I like TJ Yates but honestly once the playoffs start he won't be facing easy beatable teams, he's going to be facing tough teams that will pressure him hard, shut down the run, and force the Texans to throw thus making Yates beat them. With this in mind I think we pick in the early 20's. I've also considered the idea of waiting for a WR until the 2nd round since WR is so deep in this draft and picking up another great need like OG or NT in the 1st round. The only 1st round worthy NT/DT that fits our 1 gap system that I think Wade would select is Brandon Thompson. So where's the better value?

1. Brandon Thompson-DT
2. Marvin McNutt-WR

or

1. Dwight Jones-WR
2. Josh Chapman-NT

or

1. Dwight Jones-WR
2. Kevin Zeitler-OG

I think the 3rd group is better value but I'm glad that I don't have to make these decisions for real and situations like this are why Rick Smith makes the money he does.

badboy
12-20-2011, 04:25 PM
Your statement makes perfect sense. If we're drafting in the late 1st round you almost have to approach it from the stand point of the 1st round players don't exist to you unless someone of great value just falls. Honestly though I don't think we're picking in the late 1st. I like TJ Yates but honestly once the playoffs start he won't be facing easy beatable teams, he's going to be facing tough teams that will pressure him hard, shut down the run, and force the Texans to throw thus making Yates beat them. With this in mind I think we pick in the early 20's. I've also considered the idea of waiting for a WR until the 2nd round since WR is so deep in this draft and picking up another great need like OG or NT in the 1st round. The only 1st round worthy NT/DT that fits our 1 gap system that I think Wade would select is Brandon Thompson. So where's the better value?

1. Brandon Thompson-DT
2. Marvin McNutt-WR

or

1. Dwight Jones-WR
2. Josh Chapman-NT

or

1. Dwight Jones-WR
2. Kevin Zeitler-OG

I think the 3rd group is better value but I'm glad that I don't have to make these decisions for real and situations like this are why Rick Smith makes the money he does.So are following off your board?

1. Dontari Poe NT
2. McNutt WR

1. Kendall Wright WR
2. Kevin Zeitler OG

steelbtexan
12-20-2011, 04:30 PM
I think jruss was just trying to fill everyone with his blend of holiday cheer & he probably got his desired results :ant:

I will say one thing about these selections, sometimes they are based too much on team need. when you do that often times you get in trouble, case in point two years ago everyone & there cousin knew the Texans were going to draft a CB, which they did, so they reached for who they thought was the best CB on their draft board. Lesson learned, I hope because this year it's WR. Are the Texans going to repeat that same mistake?

Hope the lesson was learned.

With that said, the best way address a major need is with numbers. IMHO

That's why I hope the Texans sign Meachem in FA and draft K.Wright in the 1st and Tommy Streeter in the 3rd. (6'5 215, will run in the 4.4's) If AJ gives the Miami approval.

This is what the Saints have done and the Texans have a much better defense than the Saints. This will help the Texans reach the next level. IMHO

Plus the Texans will still be able to add a NT in the 2nd rd. (Poe,Chapman, Short could all bee available) They can then add depth at LB and OL in rds 4-7.

Wolf6151
12-20-2011, 05:26 PM
So are following off your board?

1. Dontari Poe NT
2. McNutt WR

1. Kendall Wright WR
2. Kevin Zeitler OG

Poe is off my 1st round board until I can see some film that justifies a 1st round grade, I might select a late round pick based solely on multiple "expert" opinions but never a 1st. I'm also dropping NT down my list of priorities to the 2nd or 3rd round due to the level of play by Cody, the fact that this is a poor D-line year in the draft, and the fact that whomever we pick will be in a rotation with Cody at NT not taking over the position by themselves. I like McNutt in the late 2nd round just fine.

I like Wright, he's a good player, I just don't think he's what the Texans need at WR. I'm not saying that he wouldn't work and be good but that I prefer a taller, stronger WR. We throw alot of short and mid range routes, possession routes, and I look for a WR that can handle going over the middle with great hands and a tall redzone target with leaping ability more so than some one who can stretch the field with speed. Speed is a very nice asset to have but it's not most important feature I look for. I sure wish Sanu wasn't going back to school, he'd be a late 1st round prospect as well. I love Zeitler for the Texans, he's perfect for our O-line system and think that he's pretty close to a can't miss type of player for us.

What do you think the odds are of taking 2 WR's in this draft, in the 1st and then again in the 3rd-5th rounds?

Wolf6151
12-20-2011, 05:31 PM
That's why I hope the Texans sign Meachem in FA and draft K.Wright in the 1st and Tommy Streeter in the 3rd. (6'5 215, will run in the 4.4's) If AJ gives the Miami approval.



I'm really hoping that Streeter falls in this draft due to only 1 yr. of play time and the fact that this is a very deep draft at WR. I've been considering him in the 4th round where he'd be great value based on potential. My gut tells me that he'll go in the 3rd though.

steelbtexan
12-20-2011, 08:17 PM
I'm really hoping that Streeter falls in this draft due to only 1 yr. of play time and the fact that this is a very deep draft at WR. I've been considering him in the 4th round where he'd be great value based on potential. My gut tells me that he'll go in the 3rd though.

Streeter is off the charts as an athlete.

The Texans should use AJ as a resource to find out what Streeter is all about. If he passes the AJ test I would probably take him in late 2nd. He probably wont be there in the late 3rd.

The 5 best WR value picks (3rd rd or later)
1. Streeter
2. AJ Jenkins
3. Rishard Mathews
4. Posey
5. Broyles

What does your WR list look like pre bowl games/combine? I know we both like D.Jones alot.

rmartin65
12-20-2011, 09:31 PM
I just dont see what everyone else sees in Jones. He is a big target and has great athleticism, but I dont see a natural receiver when I watch him play.

I would not have a huge problem with him if he ends up being the pick, I would just prefer to grab another position and then grab a guy like McNutt in the 2nd.

Wolf6151
12-20-2011, 10:03 PM
Streeter is off the charts as an athlete.

The Texans should use AJ as a resource to find out what Streeter is all about. If he passes the AJ test I would probably take him in late 2nd. He probably wont be there in the late 3rd.

The 5 best WR value picks (3rd rd or later)
1. Streeter
2. AJ Jenkins
3. Rishard Mathews
4. Posey
5. Broyles

What does your WR list look like pre bowl games/combine? I know we both like D.Jones alot.


I agree with the first part of your statement, let AJ find out all he can about Streeter and use that info., possibly by taking Streeter in the 2nd round. The guy has loads of potential.

In the 1st round, other than Blackmon, Floyd, and Jeffery who I think we stand no chance of getting, I like Jones and Sanu, but Sanu is going back to school. I also like Wright but not for the Texans. Call me crazy but height is one big advantage that WR's have over most CB's, it's important in the redzone, and I don't want to give that away.

In the 2nd round I like Juron Criner, and Marvin McNutt.

In the 3rd round I like Tommy Streeter but he'll probably move up everyones draft boards after the combine, Rueben Randle, Jeff Fuller, AJ Jenkins, and Nick Toon.

In the 4th and later I like Ryan Broyles, who's great value here due only to the knee injury. Risard Matthews, and T.Y. Hilton.

steelbtexan
12-20-2011, 10:21 PM
In the 1st round, other than Blackmon, Floyd, and Jeffery who I think we stand no chance of getting, I like Jones and Sanu, but Sanu is going back to school. I also like Wright but not for the Texans. Call me crazy but height is one big advantage that WR's have over most CB's, it's important in the redzone, and I don't want to give that away.

In the 2nd round I like Juron Criner, and Marvin McNutt.

In the 3rd round I like Tommy Streeter but he'll probably move up everyones draft boards after the combine, Rueben Randle, Jeff Fuller, AJ Jenkins, and Nick Toon.

In the 4th and later I like Ryan Broyles, who's great value here due only to the knee injury. Risard Matthews, and T.Y. Hilton.

It appears that size is more important to you than speed. I've got McNutt and Criner in the 4th/5th rd range. (Not enough speed and not fast into/out of breaks. IMHO. Matthews along with Streeter are the two 3rd rd sleepers on my radar.

BTW, Jones is worth a late 1st rd pick. IMHO He just needs to learn how to get out of his breaks faster. But the talent is there. How does Jones compare to UNC product Greg Little?

Thanks for the feedback.

badboy
12-21-2011, 10:20 AM
Poe is off my 1st round board until I can see some film that justifies a 1st round grade, I might select a late round pick based solely on multiple "expert" opinions but never a 1st. I'm also dropping NT down my list of priorities to the 2nd or 3rd round due to the level of play by Cody, the fact that this is a poor D-line year in the draft, and the fact that whomever we pick will be in a rotation with Cody at NT not taking over the position by themselves. I like McNutt in the late 2nd round just fine.

I like Wright, he's a good player, I just don't think he's what the Texans need at WR. I'm not saying that he wouldn't work and be good but that I prefer a taller, stronger WR. We throw alot of short and mid range routes, possession routes, and I look for a WR that can handle going over the middle with great hands and a tall redzone target with leaping ability more so than some one who can stretch the field with speed. Speed is a very nice asset to have but it's not most important feature I look for. I sure wish Sanu wasn't going back to school, he'd be a late 1st round prospect as well. I love Zeitler for the Texans, he's perfect for our O-line system and think that he's pretty close to a can't miss type of player for us.

What do you think the odds are of taking 2 WR's in this draft, in the 1st and then again in the 3rd-5th rounds?All excellent points & had not heard Sanu was returning but don't blame him as he could move up to high first.

I have mocked two WRs and that is what I'd do but actually doubt Texans will do that unless it is 5th round as you suggest. I'm uncertain if later rounds would offer more potentially than Maehl & Lestar Jean? I am trying to fit a NT in (prob 2nd round) and still get my guy in at WR also. Man, I am greedy. After going to bed last nite, my mind went back to trading Mario scenario and what I could do with two seconds fom Philly. Last look at clock was 1:30 am. sigh. I need a life.

Wolf6151
12-21-2011, 02:15 PM
All excellent points & had not heard Sanu was returning but don't blame him as he could move up to high first.

I have mocked two WRs and that is what I'd do but actually doubt Texans will do that unless it is 5th round as you suggest. I'm uncertain if later rounds would offer more potentially than Maehl & Lestar Jean? I am trying to fit a NT in (prob 2nd round) and still get my guy in at WR also. Man, I am greedy. After going to bed last nite, my mind went back to trading Mario scenario and what I could do with two seconds fom Philly. Last look at clock was 1:30 am. sigh. I need a life.

Being greedy in the draft is a good thing, we all want more than we can currently have. The problem is that my priority list keeps changing so it's hard. I'm having trouble with my 5th round pick as well in my latest mock, do I double dip on WR or O-line, I'm leaning toward O-line. Good point on late round WR probably not offering more than Maehl or Jean that helps with my 5th round decision. I think you'll like my latest mock, I changed some priorities and players.

As for Mario there's no way we franchise him. It would cost $20 mil, he's not worth that much and it would make him impossible to trade since no one wants a contract that large. I sure hope McNair isn't considering this. I also heard this past weekend on tv that next years salary cap will go up but not by much, it will be a very small raise in the cap if at all. With Mario we only have 3 choices as I see it; sign and keep him, sign and trade him (my personal favorite), or let him walk and use the money saved in FA (my 2nd favorite). If we trade him I want a proven young healthy player with lots of potential and draft picks so that we hedge our bets against pick failure either way. My imagination runs wild with the possibilities of extra early draft picks. I want a 1st and 3rd from a bad team or at least two 2nd's and a 4th or 5th. I'm greedy as well.

badboy
12-22-2011, 03:57 PM
Being greedy in the draft is a good thing, we all want more than we can currently have. The problem is that my priority list keeps changing so it's hard. I'm having trouble with my 5th round pick as well in my latest mock, do I double dip on WR or O-line, I'm leaning toward O-line. Good point on late round WR probably not offering more than Maehl or Jean that helps with my 5th round decision. I think you'll like my latest mock, I changed some priorities and players.

As for Mario there's no way we franchise him. It would cost $20 mil, he's not worth that much and it would make him impossible to trade since no one wants a contract that large. I sure hope McNair isn't considering this. I also heard this past weekend on tv that next years salary cap will go up but not by much, it will be a very small raise in the cap if at all. With Mario we only have 3 choices as I see it; sign and keep him, sign and trade him (my personal favorite), or let him walk and use the money saved in FA (my 2nd favorite). If we trade him I want a proven young healthy player with lots of potential and draft picks so that we hedge our bets against pick failure either way. My imagination runs wild with the possibilities of extra early draft picks. I want a 1st and 3rd from a bad team or at least two 2nd's and a 4th or 5th. I'm greedy as well.Problem with getting a first from a bad team is it will be a high choice and I'm not seeing us getting high first + a 3rd. I don't see McNair signing Mario to long term and then trading him to a bad team. I think it would be foolish to disregard the affection Williams and McNair have. Remember when Mario was stopped for the driving incident and McNair had a private meeting to tell him more was expected? Mario afterwards said he appreciated Bob's advice and would straighten up. We have heard nothing off the field from Mario since. Not too long after he purchased the house from the disgraced TSU lady and said then that owning a home was a mature decision. I think they have a bond that will lead to a good contract for Mario. I think McNair wants to have players retire from his team like AJ, Demeco and Mario.

If Mario wanted to go to New England for example, I think McNair would go along. PATs have two late firsts and two seconds.

steelbtexan
12-22-2011, 05:39 PM
Problem with getting a first from a bad team is it will be a high choice and I'm not seeing us getting high first + a 3rd. I don't see McNair signing Mario to long term and then trading him to a bad team. I think it would be foolish to disregard the affection Williams and McNair have. Remember when Mario was stopped for the driving incident and McNair had a private meeting to tell him more was expected? Mario afterwards said he appreciated Bob's advice and would straighten up. We have heard nothing off the field from Mario since. Not too long after he purchased the house from the disgraced TSU lady and said then that owning a home was a mature decision. I think they have a bond that will lead to a good contract for Mario. I think McNair wants to have players retire from his team like AJ, Demeco and Mario.

If Mario wanted to go to New England for example, I think McNair would go along. PATs have two late firsts and two seconds.

I think BoBBy will

1. Do whatever is best for himself financially
2. Do whatever is in the best interest of the Texans financially.

That's his MO. and there's nothing wrong with that.