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beerlover
11-17-2011, 12:36 PM
FIRST ROUND: Dontari Poe Nose Tackle Memphis Junior, 6-5 350
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350 LBS. & LIGHT ON HIS FEET? YES. BEASTLY STRENGTH, EXPLOSIVE PACKAGE WHO FITS WADE PHILLIPS SCHEME. UNTAPPED POTENTIAL WHO WILL RISE UP 3-4 DRAFT BOARDS TEXANS SHOULD PLUG THIS HOLE IF STILL ON THE BOARD LATE FIRST ROUND.

SECOND ROUND: Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M Senior, 6-4 222

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AGGIE BLOODLINE RUN DEEP. THINK OF A MORE ATHLETIC VERSION OF MATT SCHAUB. THREE YEAR PROJECT TO DEVELOP UNDER KUBIAK & TO BACK-UP SCHAUB UNTIL READY. BOTH SCHAUB & LEINART WILL BE FREE AGENTS AFTER 2012 SEASON, MAYBE TIME TO PROJECT FORWARD?

THIRD ROUND: Nico Johnson ILB Alabama Junior, 6-3 245
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LAST MINUTE EARLY ENTRY NICO WOULD PROVIDE EXCELLENT INSIDE INSURANCE BEHIND DEMECO. SIDELINE TO SIDELINE TACKLING MACHINE EXPLOSIVE CLOSING SPEED TO BALL. I WOULD RECOMMEND TRADE UP INTO SECOND ROUND LIKE RICK SMITH PULLED LAST YEAR TO DRAFT BRANDON HARRIS (REASON CB NOT ADDRESSED IN THIS DRAFT) TO ADDRESS NEED.

FOURTH ROUND: Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma Senior, 5-11 180
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DIMINUTIVE, QUICK, PRODUCTIVE WR COMING OFF ACL SURGERY, BEFORE A SOLID SECOND ROUND PROSPECT. TIGHT, CRISP ROUTE RUNNER WITH EXCELLENT HANDS & WILLING BLOCKER.

FIFTH ROUND: David Paulson TE Oregon Senior, 6040 244
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PASS CATCHING THREAT IN MOLD OF OWEN DANIELS. EXCELLENT HANDS, ROUTE RUNNER, PLAYS SMART. TEXAN DREESSEEN FREE AGENT, CASEY FOCUS IS NOW FB WHILE GRAHAM MAY DEVELOP INTO MORE OF THE PREFERRED BLOCKING TE.

SIXTH ROUND: Jermaine Kearse WR Washington, 6020 208
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UNDER-ACHIEVED SENIOR SEASON BUT HAS BODY & NFL PHYSICAL MEASUREABLES. SLEEPER PICK & ANOTHER BODY TO BRING INTO CAMP TO HELP BOLSTER WR DEPTH WHO HAS EXPLOSIVE CAPABILITY.

SEVENTH ROUND: Phillip Blake OC/OG Baylor Senior, 6030 320 (Mason does not meet 7th rd. compensatory requirement)

NOTE: ALLOWED ONLY 6 IMAGES

LATE ROUND ADDITION TO OL CAUSE YOU CANNOT HAVE TOO MUCH DEPTH UP FRONT. TEXANS SHOULD RESIGN MYERS BUT I'M STILL NOT CONVINCED TEXANS HAVE A LEGITIMATE BACK-UP CENTER. BLAKE IS STOUT, ATHLETIC & PHYSICAL SOMEONE TO DEVELOP WHO CAN SNAP UNDER CENTER OR SHOTGUN.

RIP

badboy
11-17-2011, 05:17 PM
Damn good draft sign me up! Blake should go higher but I'll take that. Think Diehl can be had as UDFA?

steelbtexan
11-17-2011, 05:28 PM
Sign me up


Glad to see you made QB a priority. If Schaub has to have surgery it could take 6-12 mo.'s to get healthy and even then he may never be the same.

How would you feel about trading the 2nd for Matt Flynn? I would rather do this than picking Tanneyhill. Who I consider to be like Flynn but without the experience.

beerlover
11-17-2011, 09:13 PM
Sign me up


Glad to see you made QB a priority. If Schaub has to have surgery it could take 6-12 mo.'s to get healthy and even then he may never be the same.

How would you feel about trading the 2nd for Matt Flynn? I would rather do this than picking Tanneyhill. Who I consider to be like Flynn but without the experience.

thanks.

Probably should have been on agenda anyway but you know how it goes once you lose something then you miss it. Cloak has been updating specific details of Schaubs injury & I for one do not like what I'm hearing. He already had limited mobility now this. Ryan is raw but shows flashes of top caliber play, just wish he was more consistant. Mike Sherman is an excellent resource for Kubiak to consult over his upside/draft grade. I know it will be a positive one, already does the boot & looks downfield on the run to locate WR's with escapablity to buy time or leg it out to move the chains. Inconsistant accuracy but anybody who remembers watching Schuab @ Virginia saw a lot of the same thing. He could very easily run this offense in a matter of three years which is about the right window given Schaub's age. And no I don't see the Texans keeping Leinart over him next negoiation unless his career is over, which Texans would still need a capable back-up plan.

I was one who liked Flynn @ LSU. Would be a good fit if you could pry him away from GB who have an outstanding QB development track record but they prefer to keep their own draft picks assuming they play @ level they projected when drafted. Jordy Nelson is another excellent example, really liked him too out of Kansas State I beleive, may have even mocked him to the Texans but GB saw something & drafted him early 2nd.

Wolf6151
11-18-2011, 02:12 AM
1. Poe, I'm thinking this is a little early for Poe right now but I'm warming up to the idea and after the Combine I think Poe moves up boards and possibly goes in the 1st round. I still like Thompson and Chapman better for the Texans but I think Ta'amu will fall in the draft possibly to the 2nd round. It's not a good year for DT's. Good pick.

2. Tannehill, I like the player and think he'll probably go in the 2nd, but not for the Texans. I think he's a project QB that will need to hold a clip board for at least 2 yrs.

3. Johnson, I don't know alot about him but you usually can't go wrong with an LB from Alabama. He's got good size for the position and would be a depth improvement. Good pick.

4. Broyles, I doubt he's ready for the Combine, ACL, and this will hurt his draft stock. If he checks out medically then he's a great value in the 4th round but I'd want my Dr.'s checking him out thoroughly.

5. Paulson, I just don't see any need for another TE even if we lose Dreesen to FA. Paulson would be 4th on the depth chart behind OD, Graham, and Casey. We still don't know what we have in Graham, and need more depth on defense than on offense.

6. Kearse, I don't know anything about him but like Paulson I don't see that much need especially after Broyles pick and think we need depth on defense more so than offense. He'd be competing with Lestar Jean for a 5th WR spot or the practice squad.

7. Blake, developmental O-line depth that probably makes the practice squad, not a bad pick.

Overall some good players that help the team and/or good value picks but I'd like to see a little more defensive depth in the 5th and 6th rounds.

beerlover
11-18-2011, 10:02 AM
1. Poe, I'm thinking this is a little early for Poe right now but I'm warming up to the idea and after the Combine I think Poe moves up boards and possibly goes in the 1st round. I still like Thompson and Chapman better for the Texans but I think Ta'amu will fall in the draft possibly to the 2nd round. It's not a good year for DT's. Good pick.

2. Tannehill, I like the player and think he'll probably go in the 2nd, but not for the Texans. I think he's a project QB that will need to hold a clip board for at least 2 yrs.

3. Johnson, I don't know alot about him but you usually can't go wrong with an LB from Alabama. He's got good size for the position and would be a depth improvement. Good pick.

4. Broyles, I doubt he's ready for the Combine, ACL, and this will hurt his draft stock. If he checks out medically then he's a great value in the 4th round but I'd want my Dr.'s checking him out thoroughly.

5. Paulson, I just don't see any need for another TE even if we lose Dreesen to FA. Paulson would be 4th on the depth chart behind OD, Graham, and Casey. We still don't know what we have in Graham, and need more depth on defense than on offense.

6. Kearse, I don't know anything about him but like Paulson I don't see that much need especially after Broyles pick and think we need depth on defense more so than offense. He'd be competing with Lestar Jean for a 5th WR spot or the practice squad.

7. Blake, developmental O-line depth that probably makes the practice squad, not a bad pick.

Overall some good players that help the team and/or good value picks but I'd like to see a little more defensive depth in the 5th and 6th rounds.

thanks for feedback as always :)

Poe is a project for Texan Defensive Coordinator Wade Phillips. People would have to be patient, probably call him a bust & wouldn't start his rookie year unless catastrophic injury. This is a pick based on potential massive as his size. Like posted with Tannehill these are two-three year projects not typical immediate starting caliber prospects like Watt & Reed. Now I could make easier, start me now picks, but instead opted to showcase the type of player & forward thinking needed to get a bigger bang (w/Wade Phillips blessing). I'm not saying he is the next BJ Raji but is a freak of nature. Dontari is clean, well spoken, bright eyed, young man dedicated to work hard & continual improvement (pet peeve). Poe, a former shot put champion in high school, can squat 700 pounds, bench 500 and power clean 400. Tigers strength coach Ryan Cidzik, who has coached Shaun Rogers and Kris Jenkins, told Feldman: "I've been around some very strong defensive linemen when I was coaching in the NFL, and Poe's up there with all of them. If I have another year with him, he will probably be the strongest player I've ever been around."

Which leads me to believe he will return to Memphis for his senior year. Upon the 2012 NFL Draft Poe will certainly be a much coveted commodity.

beerlover
11-18-2011, 01:25 PM
4. Broyles, I doubt he's ready for the Combine, ACL, and this will hurt his draft stock. If he checks out medically then he's a great value in the 4th round but I'd want my Dr.'s checking him out thoroughly.

5. Paulson, I just don't see any need for another TE even if we lose Dreesen to FA. Paulson would be 4th on the depth chart behind OD, Graham, and Casey. We still don't know what we have in Graham, and need more depth on defense than on offense.

6. Kearse, I don't know anything about him but like Paulson I don't see that much need especially after Broyles pick and think we need depth on defense more so than offense.He'd be competing with Lestar Jean for a 5th WR spot or the practice squad.



Draft heavy in skill positions for a reason. Value meets need. Broyles at significant discount with low pressure to force him into early action. Texans could really use a Wes Welker type of slot WR. Closest thing they have now is actually RB Arian Foster. Kearse has 2nd rd. talent but will need to be built back-up to speed in his fundamentals. Love too see open competition next year in camp with a healthy Jean Lestar & Jeff Mahel. Paulson doesn't appear to be anything special but he always shows up when needed. Same with Owen & he was a 4th rd. pick who turned out to be pretty good one. He caught 852 yds & 8 TD's in three years @ Wisconsin. Paulson has 836 yds & 8 TD's with two games to play @ Oregon. Besides stats its more the style they play, both smart, big impact players that stats don't tell whole story. I've already addressed the DL & LB position, with all the talent & youth I would like to let them sort things out next year while adding similar depth & talent on offensive side.

bah007
11-18-2011, 04:44 PM
I'm with BL on Paulson. He has always impressed me. In their offense he is asked to do a lot of things, and catching passes isn't really at the top of the list. But he always makes plays when given the opportunity.

beerlover
11-24-2011, 08:56 PM
Happy Thanksgiving to all my draft buddies - :wesmantexanfan:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfldraftscout-RobRang

rmartin65
11-24-2011, 10:05 PM
Happy Thanksgiving to all my draft buddies - :wesmantexanfan:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfldraftscout-RobRang

Interesting. I am joining in the party as well- Poe is my 1st round pick in my latest mock draft.

Corrosion
11-25-2011, 06:23 AM
Interesting. I am joining in the party as well- Poe is my 1st round pick in my latest mock draft.

I might just jump on that bandwagon too ..... but there is no guarantee he comes out and WR is still a huge concern. Guess it depends on how the draft falls.

steelbtexan
11-25-2011, 07:20 AM
With Schaubs injury QB jumped to the #1 need for me and trading up to the top 5 is an option if need be. Sorta like Atlanta did last yr to get J.Jones.

I'm real high on Barkley and RG3. They are worth atleast 2 1st rd picks + more if needed. QB's with their talents are rare. I like Barkley and RG3 as much as Luck.

Corrosion
11-25-2011, 08:50 AM
With Schaubs injury QB jumped to the #1 need for me and trading up to the top 5 is an option if need be. Sorta like Atlanta did last yr to get J.Jones.

I'm real high on Barkley and RG3. They are worth atleast 2 1st rd picks + more if needed. QB's with their talents are rare. I like Barkley and RG3 as much as Luck.

Im not high on Barkley at all .... Just another USC QB hype machine. I wouldnt spend a 3rd on him.

RG3 on the other hand I am pretty high on. I dont think he's ready to play in the NFL yet but rather needs a couple seasons on the bench behind a veteran learning the craft. With his physical gifts he could be a really special player under the right circumstances.

beerlover
11-25-2011, 09:40 AM
SB is pretty astute. Corrosion, have you see Barkley in recent games? I use to feel the same way you do about Matt but have since changed my tune. He is playing @ a very high level. Pro-Ready. This is key. Takes snaps under Center, quick 5 step drop, compact/fluid release with tight spin, knows how to play fake, boot, read progressions. Displays leadership, poise under pressure, big arm.

I may have to upgrade my own process to assign a tangible draft grade for each position per critical elements. Like Ourlads. I feel you guys deserve more from me to help you make your own better informed opinions of potential pro prospects.

beerlover
11-25-2011, 11:47 AM
I'm with BL on Paulson. He has always impressed me. In their offense he is asked to do a lot of things, and catching passes isn't really at the top of the list. But he always makes plays when given the opportunity.

Finally had chance to review last weeks game film of Oregon vs USC & I will have to bump Paulson stock higher. The one handed catch over the middle in seam that took three defenders to keep him out of the endzone with game on line was one of the grittiest, best football plays I've witnessed this season. It's not hard for me to project him in Kubes offense as another lethal option. Great hands, smart, tough who steps up in big situations. :)

badboy
11-25-2011, 04:44 PM
I just can't make up my mind on drafting QB high in 2012. If Lienert does well ending the season, I probably will not. Schaub should be ready for game one and even if he nees another 2-3 weeks, if Lienert proves he can handle the position, we will be ok. Another benefit is Yates will get a lot more reps in practice. All 3 are under contract 2012 & I don't think Smithiak will use another pick unless it is a low one similar to drafting Yates. That would be if Lienert is expect to move on. This 6 weeks will really impact the team in more than just wins and losses.

This next draft could allow us to fill the last of our "needs". As most know I have pushed Poe since before the season and then moved him off mock as I convinced myself Wade would not pick him in first or second. Well, Wade picking him or not, we need this type of player. He would shut down the running lanes and take pressure off ILBs. If CND is right and Ryans health begins to slip next season, a monster at Nose would help alleviate that.

I am ok with Mario being re-signed but if Barwin & Reed continue their production, I would listen to offers for Williams. I will continue to root against Patriots as I want a first and second from them.

beerlover
11-25-2011, 05:06 PM
I just can't make up my mind on drafting QB high in 2012. If Lienert does well ending the season, I probably will not. Schaub should be ready for game one and even if he nees another 2-3 weeks, if Lienert proves he can handle the position, we will be ok. Another benefit is Yates will get a lot more reps in practice. All 3 are under contract 2012 & I don't think Smithiak will use another pick unless it is a low one similar to drafting Yates. That would be if Lienert is expect to move on. This 6 weeks will really impact the team in more than just wins and losses.

This next draft could allow us to fill the last of our "needs". As most know I have pushed Poe since before the season and then moved him off mock as I convinced myself Wade would not pick him in first or second. Well, Wade picking him or not, we need this type of player. He would shut down the running lanes and take pressure off ILBs. If CND is right and Ryans health begins to slip next season, a monster at Nose would help alleviate that.

I am ok with Mario being re-signed but if Barwin & Reed continue their production, I would listen to offers for Williams. I will continue to root against Patriots as I want a first and second from them.

Texans do not have a QB signed through 2013 (not sure about Yates, but really?). Yes this is Leinart's big chance to prove he is worth keeping past next year, guess if Matt Schaub can hit the field next season he & Texans would feel inclined to restucutre a mutually agreeable extension. So nothing changes, unless a player like Barkley drops...... or reaching early for a developmental QB like Tannehill?

badboy
11-25-2011, 05:11 PM
Texans do not have a QB signed through 2013 (not sure about Yates, but really?). Yes this is Leinart's big chance to prove he is worth keeping past next year, guess if Matt Schaub can hit the field next season he & Texans would feel inclined to restucutre a mutually agreeable extension. So nothing changes, unless a player like Barkley drops...... or reaching early for a developmental QB like Tannehill?If Schaub has a steady year 2012 he will be re-signed. Why would McNair go against his philosophy to reward his players as he did Ryans and AJ? He would catch unbelievable grief if he did not do so for his QB. Kubes has 22 more games to evaluate Yates. I think we will see another QB draft just not higher than 4th round.

Tannehill? See my recent pm to you and 65.

Doppelganger
11-25-2011, 05:26 PM
I don't have any real complaints about your choices. They are all solid players. I am not sure I would have gone with another TE, but he is still a solid player.

Where I disagree is with the selection of Ryan Tannehill in the second. In my mind a second rounder should be a key backup/available spot starter. Tannelhill is too raw a prospect to go with a 2nd rounder. Yesterday in the UT game he showed why he is so raw: 20 for 49, 224 yards passed, 2 tds, 3 ints, and 1 sack. Decision making was questionable. He threw 3 bad ints...really bad ones.

His stats against tough defenses aren't great:
OSU: 2 tds, 3 ints
Arkansas: 0 tds, 1 int
Oklahoma: 2 tds, 3 ints
Texas: 2 tds, 3 ints.

Against the tougher defenses he has faced he is 6 tds:10 ints. That is not a good stat. Throwing for a lot of yards is great, but turnovers are a killer in the NFL. From what I have seen of Ryan Tannelhill, I do not think he warrants a 2nd round selection.

gary
11-25-2011, 07:08 PM
I'd make a bold move such as the Falcons did last year when they drafted Jones and draft someone like Blackmon.

beerlover
11-25-2011, 08:08 PM
I don't have any real complaints about your choices. They are all solid players. I am not sure I would have gone with another TE, but he is still a solid player.

Where I disagree is with the selection of Ryan Tannehill in the second. In my mind a second rounder should be a key backup/available spot starter. Tannelhill is too raw a prospect to go with a 2nd rounder. Yesterday in the UT game he showed why he is so raw: 20 for 49, 224 yards passed, 2 tds, 3 ints, and 1 sack. Decision making was questionable. He threw 3 bad ints...really bad ones.

His stats against tough defenses aren't great:
OSU: 2 tds, 3 ints
Arkansas: 0 tds, 1 int
Oklahoma: 2 tds, 3 ints
Texas: 2 tds, 3 ints.

Against the tougher defenses he has faced he is 6 tds:10 ints. That is not a good stat. Throwing for a lot of yards is great, but turnovers are a killer in the NFL. From what I have seen of Ryan Tannelhill, I do not think he warrants a 2nd round selection.

teams always overdraft the QB position because of its importance.

beerlover
11-25-2011, 08:11 PM
I'd make a bold move such as the Falcons did last year when they drafted Jones and draft someone like Blackmon.

Blackmon is no where near the complete package, plus a lot of people think he has maxed out his potential & he does not have sub 4.5 speed. Julio blew it up last year @ the combine with a higher ceiling going forward.

Doppelganger
11-25-2011, 10:33 PM
I'd make a bold move such as the Falcons did last year when they drafted Jones and draft someone like Blackmon.

You would give up a 1st, 2nd, and fourth this year plus a 1st and fourth next year for someone like Blackmon? I wouldn't. He is NOWHERE near the prospect Jones and Green were last year.

That is a ton of picks to give up on a single player. Look at the way the super successful teams in this league operate. Does New England, Pittsburgh, the New York Giants, or the Saints trade numerous picks for a single one? No. New England trades down to acquire extra picks. New York and Pitt tend to stay pat and take the BPA in their spots. The Saints either stand pat or move up or down without surrendering tons of picks.

Atlanta got Julio Jones and gave up Phil Taylor, Greg Little, and Owen Marecic plus a first and fourth next year. Atlanta got 1 starter but Cleveland picked up 3 this year and likely a fourth and possibly a fifth next year. Is Julio Jones worth 3+ starters? In order for Cleveland to break even, they need solid starters. If they get 2 above average starters, they win the deal.

More often than not, surrendering a lot of picks for a draftee tends to fail. Look at the Ricky Williams and Jason Babin as examples of when things go badly.

Doppelganger
11-25-2011, 11:07 PM
teams always overdraft the QB position because of its importance.

I understand, but you think that much of an overdraft is worth it? Remember, the kid is very raw. He has had only a handful of starts at QB, he is a converted WR.

beerlover
11-26-2011, 12:17 AM
I understand, but you think that much of an overdraft is worth it? Remember, the kid is very raw. He has had only a handful of starts at QB, he is a converted WR.

I thought the Panthers overdrafted Cam Newton #1 overall because they needed a QB. Cam has proven he was worth it. Locker #8 has proven nothing yet, maybe he will? But Reinfeldt & Munchak felt compelled to make the move while adding insurance back-up/mentor in Matt Haselbeck, smart move.

The Texans already have veteran leadership with Schaub. Leinart we will see how this develops, but I'll say this even though Matt won the Heisman he is no Barkley. Another thing why do all these QB names begin with Matt? Anyway, as we get closer to pecking order we'll know which teams must draft a QB early. My thought as of this moment on subject is this: If we assume the Colts will draft Andrew Luck with the first overall pick, Texans need to match their move (not through suckiness) but with selecting the next best available QB to duel over the coming years. Sorry to the two Matts already in place but we've seen how that plays out already, I for one want no part of it. We need to match up Barkley against Luck, plain & simple.

Sorry Dopplebock I got off track, back to your feelings on Tannehill. Raw, yes he is, project yes again but he possess the type of intagibles a team with a reputed QB guru coach covet. Footwork, quick release, leadership, fearless & athletic. Despite an awful last game, you cannot discredit based off one performance, most except a very few have stinkers now & again. He is already @ the same level, to me, that say a Kellen Clemons displayed @ Oregon with more upside. So a mid to late 2nd is a solid grade both from a position & value standpoint. Texans need to strike now, decent depth @ position with two studs at the top.

Bubbajwp
11-26-2011, 09:51 AM
BTW Im on the Poe Bandwagon

Poe, WR, LB

I love LB's.

gary
11-26-2011, 04:05 PM
You would give up a 1st, 2nd, and fourth this year plus a 1st and fourth next year for someone like Blackmon? I wouldn't. He is NOWHERE near the prospect Jones and Green were last year.

That is a ton of picks to give up on a single player. Look at the way the super successful teams in this league operate. Does New England, Pittsburgh, the New York Giants, or the Saints trade numerous picks for a single one? No. New England trades down to acquire extra picks. New York and Pitt tend to stay pat and take the BPA in their spots. The Saints either stand pat or move up or down without surrendering tons of picks.

Atlanta got Julio Jones and gave up Phil Taylor, Greg Little, and Owen Marecic plus a first and fourth next year. Atlanta got 1 starter but Cleveland picked up 3 this year and likely a fourth and possibly a fifth next year. Is Julio Jones worth 3+ starters? In order for Cleveland to break even, they need solid starters. If they get 2 above average starters, they win the deal.

More often than not, surrendering a lot of picks for a draftee tends to fail. Look at the Ricky Williams and Jason Babin as examples of when things go badly.Atlanta was aggressive and I like that. The thing is if they draft well this year and next then they should still come out just fine. You don't have to make a massive trade up like that every year but once every X amount of years such a move should not hinder your team all that much if you already have a deep and talented roster then you go for that once in a blue moon big time splash. I don't think the Texans would be hurt too much if they made a huge trade up if not for Justin then definitely for another top notch receiver and bring in a play maker opposite Johnson which would stretch the field even further for Schaub whenever he returns. Or if not an outstanding receiver an NT who would eventually replace Cody as the starter or a cover corner opposite Joseph. Typically I am pro staying put and drafting BPA or trading down for more picks but if you think you might see the next Reggie White or Bruce Smith or a franchise QB like Brady or Manning type of player then you should go for it. That shows you want to be a winner and willing to take some chances to do so as well as that you are also concerned about the future of the team and plotting for that as well.

steelbtexan
11-26-2011, 05:25 PM
You would give up a 1st, 2nd, and fourth this year plus a 1st and fourth next year for someone like Blackmon? I wouldn't. He is NOWHERE near the prospect Jones and Green were last year.

That is a ton of picks to give up on a single player. Look at the way the super successful teams in this league operate. Does New England, Pittsburgh, the New York Giants, or the Saints trade numerous picks for a single one? No. New England trades down to acquire extra picks. New York and Pitt tend to stay pat and take the BPA in their spots. The Saints either stand pat or move up or down without surrendering tons of picks.

Atlanta got Julio Jones and gave up Phil Taylor, Greg Little, and Owen Marecic plus a first and fourth next year. Atlanta got 1 starter but Cleveland picked up 3 this year and likely a fourth and possibly a fifth next year. Is Julio Jones worth 3+ starters? In order for Cleveland to break even, they need solid starters. If they get 2 above average starters, they win the deal.

More often than not, surrendering a lot of picks for a draftee tends to fail. Look at the Ricky Williams and Jason Babin as examples of when things go badly.

For Barkley or RG3 I would make that trade.

Then I would trade MW and use that $$$$ on a WR (Meachen) and NT (Soliai) You could do this with MW's 15/18 mil cap savings. Then hopefully in the MW trade you could recoup the 2012 1st that you traded for Barkley/RG3 and take BPA.

I know that's out there, but it takes outside the box risk taking to be a SB winner. IMHO

steelbtexan
11-26-2011, 05:31 PM
Atlanta was aggressive and I like that. The thing is if they draft well this year and next then they should still come out just fine. You don't have to make a massive trade up like that every year but once every X amount of years such a move should not hinder your team all that much if you already have a deep and talented roster then you go for that once in a blue moon big time splash. I don't think the Texans would be hurt to much if they made a huge trade up if not for Justin then definitely then for another top notch receiver and bring in a play maker opposite Johnson which would stretch the field even further for Schaub whenever he returns. Or if not an outstanding receiver an NT who would eventually replace Cody or a cover corner opposite Joseph. Typically I am pro staying put and drafting BPA or trading down for more picks but if you think you might see the next Reggie White or Bruce Smith or a franchise QB like Brady or Manning type then you should go for it. That shows you want to be a winner and willing to take some chances to do so as well as that you are also concerned about the future of the team and plotting for that as well.

Agreed

Taking calculated risks should be part of a GM's job. If the opportunity to get a franchise QB presents itself you have to take it and let him learn under Schaub (if Schaub makes it back) for a couple of yrs.

gary
11-26-2011, 05:40 PM
It does not have to be just for Blackmon but I would like to see a bold move made. Although I don't see why Meachem would not stay put unless the Saints are just strapped for cash.

beerlover
11-26-2011, 05:51 PM
Since I posted this mock I've seen two sets of College games in consecutive weekends/days. Now if I could I would trade them all for rights to Matt Barkley. Texans are playing with fire, the hand dealt is a blow from the devil himself. While I think Leinart can hold down the fort, any expectations in playoffs are severely tempered. If Colts get Luck then Texans need to counter with Barkley.

steelbtexan
11-26-2011, 06:33 PM
It does not have to be just for Blackmon but I would like to see a bold move made. Although I don't see why Meachem would not stay put unless the Saints are just strapped for cash.

They have many FA's including Meachem and Colston.

There probably wont be enough FA $$$ to re-sign them both. Which is why I targeted Meachem, who's very underated and would be a perfect WR2 opposite AJ.

steelbtexan
11-26-2011, 06:33 PM
Since I posted this mock I've seen two sets of College games in consecutive weekends/days. Now if I could I would trade them all for rights to Matt Barkley. Texans are playing with fire, the hand dealt is a blow from the devil himself. While I think Leinart can hold down the fort, any expectations in playoffs are severely tempered. If Colts get Luck then Texans need to counter with Barkley.

I'm on board with this.

gary
11-26-2011, 07:15 PM
They have many FA's including Meachem and Colston.

There probably wont be enough FA $$$ to re-sign them both. Which is why I targeted Meachem, who's very underated and would be a perfect WR2 opposite AJ.One of them will move on. AJ, Meachem/Colston and Jones moves to three. Wow. Sounds good to me.

ObsiWan
11-26-2011, 11:28 PM
They have many FA's including Meachem and Colston.

There probably wont be enough FA $$$ to re-sign them both. Which is why I targeted Meachem, who's very underated and would be a perfect WR2 opposite AJ.

While I wouldn't mind having him at a reasonable price, I wonder that if Meachem cannot succeed in a pass-happy offense like N.O. has, why would he do better here?
In his best year, Meachem only had 45 catches. Walter has topped 50 every year since 07 (except last year when he got hurt and we were more run-oriented).

Plus I don't know if he can block. We know K.W. can block and even J.J. has learned to be a pretty decent downfield blocker in this offense. If a WR doesn't block well downfield, Kubiak won't play him. And given the success of our running game, I don't blame him.

beerlover
11-27-2011, 08:40 AM
After holding off Oregon last week USC blasted UCLA 50-0. Barkley was 35-42 422 yards 6 TD's & no picks in what may be his last game as a Trojan.

gary
11-27-2011, 09:44 AM
While I wouldn't mind having him at a reasonable price, I wonder that if Meachem cannot succeed in a pass-happy offense like N.O. has, why would he do better here?
In his best year, Meachem only had 45 catches. Walter has topped 50 every year since 07 (except last year when he got hurt and we were more run-oriented).

Plus I don't know if he can block. We know K.W. can block and even J.J. has learned to be a pretty decent downfield blocker in this offense. If a WR doesn't block well downfield, Kubiak won't play him. And given the success of our running game, I don't blame him.The Saints have Colston, Moore, Henderson, and Graham taking touches away from Meachem and all of them are better than JJ or Walter down the field and that is not a knock on JJ or Walter.

beerlover
11-27-2011, 04:13 PM
Since I posted this mock I've seen two sets of College games in consecutive weekends/days. Now if I could I would trade them all for rights to Matt Barkley. Texans are playing with fire, the hand dealt is a blow from the devil himself. While I think Leinart can hold down the fort, any expectations in playoffs are severely tempered. If Colts get Luck then Texans need to counter with Barkley.

Whatcha gonna do?

bah007
11-28-2011, 01:01 AM
After holding off Oregon last week USC blasted UCLA 50-0. Barkley was 35-42 422 yards 6 TD's & no picks in what may be his last game as a Trojan.

Robert Woods is a real stud. He won't be eligible until next year but I'm already salivating. I've got him graded out between A.J. Green and Julio Jones.

Barkley is no slouch, but Woods is the best player on that team.

beerlover
11-28-2011, 12:24 PM
Barkley is no.1 because of position & Matt Kalil is the best OT even though he is just a junior, then you gotta consider freshman WR Marqise Lee who is even more dynamic than Woods. If USC were bowl eligible we could be talking about a USC LSU BCS game?

bah007
11-28-2011, 01:34 PM
Barkley is no.1 because of position & Matt Kalil is the best OT even though he is just a junior, then you gotta consider freshman WR Marqise Lee who is even more dynamic than Woods. If USC were bowl eligible we could be talking about a USC LSU BCS game?

USC is just loaded.

They've got Barkley at QB, who is a top 10 guy in my opinion.

They have Marc Tyler at HB. He's a guy that could be a late round sleeper in this class. On top of that they have McNeal. He just put up 1000 yards on almost 7 yards per carry in his first year as the starter.

Add in Woods and Lee at WR, neither of them is even eligible for the draft. Rhett Ellison at TE could be drafted in the late rounds.

Kalil is my #1 OT and a probable top 5 pick.

Nick Perry would be a 1st or 2nd rounder if he enters the draft. Armond Armstead was a good late round prospect before his injury. Galippo could be a special teams guy at the next level.

Nickell Robey is only a sophomore but he has 1st or 2nd round potential in his future. And T.J. McDonald is my #1 FS.