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mirage
11-16-2011, 12:35 AM
HOUSTON -- Matt Leinart had a quick chat with Andre Johnson before leaving the Texans' locker room on Tuesday to catch a flight home to Southern California.

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Leinart had dinner with Schaub on Monday night to go over details and try to make the transition as seamless as possible. Leinart also made Schaub a promise.

"I told Matt that I was going to make him proud and just win games for this team," Leinart said, "because he got us to this point."

Given how the Texans have run the ball and shut down opponents over the past month, Leinart doesn't feel as if he has to do anything miraculous.

"It's important for me not to feel like I have everything to put on my shoulders, and just go out there and manage the game," Leinart said. "You look at the numbers in the last couple of games, Matt (Schaub) has just gotten us into the right plays, and he's thrown the ball here and there, and we've won the games the old-fashioned way.

"That's all I'm asked to do, and I'm excited about that opportunity."

Houston signed Leinart as a free agent just before the 2010 season, ending the former Southern Cal star's stormy tenure in Arizona. Leinart, a former Heisman Trophy winner, was drafted 10th overall by the Cardinals in 2006, and played in 12 games as a rookie under coach Dennis Green.


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Leinart broke his collarbone in 2007, Kurt Warner took over and Leinart mostly watched from the sideline over the next 2½ seasons. Warner retired after the 2009 season, but Leinart clashed with Arizona coach Ken Whisenhunt and he was released in September 2010.

He didn't take a snap last season, but felt comfortable enough with Kubiak and the offense that he decided to rejoin to the Texans in the offseason.

"This isn't his first rodeo," Schaub said of his replacement. "He's played some football in this league. He knows how to play the quarterback position.

"Our time spent together here over the last year and a half, two years, he's definitely prepared."

Their tutoring has restored some of the confidence he lost in Arizona.

"I've been around the league for a while," Leinart said. "Obviously, I haven't had a lot of playing time, but I've been around this game, I've played with some great quarterbacks, I've been on some winning teams. I understand what that takes, I understand what it takes to lead a football team."

Link (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7239293/andre-johnson-houston-texans-return-matt-leinart-takes-over)

Didn't see it posted, but... Leinart flying home for the bye week? :mcnugget:

Norg
11-16-2011, 12:48 AM
thats all fine in good lienart but there will be times were we are on the road a hostile crowd 4th qtr 1:32 mins left and ur going to have to drive us down the field throwing the ball .............. i hope i dont see that but if that does happen thats when we will know

ArlingtonTexan
11-16-2011, 12:50 AM
Link (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7239293/andre-johnson-houston-texans-return-matt-leinart-takes-over)

Didn't see it posted, but... Leinart flying home for the bye week? :mcnugget:

The Texans are not practicing (like most teams) during the bye week. If I am not mistaken, all of the players are off until sunday or next Monday.

mirage
11-16-2011, 12:54 AM
The Texans are not practicing (like most teams) during the bye week. If I am not mistaken, all of the players are off until sunday or next Monday.

Fair... but I would have been happier to hear that he, andre, and arian moved into Kubes' house for the bye week to prep... :evil:

TexanSam
11-16-2011, 01:01 AM
Link (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7239293/andre-johnson-houston-texans-return-matt-leinart-takes-over)

Didn't see it posted, but... Leinart flying home for the bye week? :mcnugget:

The new CBA requires teams to give players four consecutive days off during the bye week. Probably why he's flying home.

NitroGSXR
11-16-2011, 01:04 AM
The Texans are not practicing (like most teams) during the bye week. If I am not mistaken, all of the players are off until sunday or next Monday.

I don't think they are allowed to host practices during the BYE but I am not certain. I do know the new CBA rules allow teams to hold two padded practices after the BYE week. I hope the Kubiak will take advantage of this opportunity to get Leinart up to speed.

TexCanada
11-16-2011, 01:17 AM
He p..p..p..p..promised? I hope that was the media's word and not his, because it is really hard to play QB with tears in your eyes.

Corrosion
11-16-2011, 01:23 AM
The Texans are not practicing (like most teams) during the bye week. If I am not mistaken, all of the players are off until sunday or next Monday.

I don't think they are allowed to host practices during the BYE but I am not certain. I do know the new CBA rules allow teams to hold two padded practices after the BYE week. I hope the Kubiak will take advantage of this opportunity to get Leinart up to speed.

League rules mandate that they must have four consecutive days off during the bye .... so they cant practice.


Edit: Didnt see your post Sam.

Wolf6151
11-16-2011, 05:33 AM
League rules mandate that they must have four consecutive days off during the bye .... so they cant practice.


Edit: Didnt see your post Sam.

The Texans can't hold "official" or mandatory practices, it doesn't mean that Kubiak, Dennison, Leinart, AJ, OD, Walter, Jones, etc... can't get together off the Texans grounds and work out on their own. When practices do start Leinart needs to be coming in an hour early and staying an hour late every day. Fans would like to know that he's doing everything possible to get up to speed.

The Cush
11-16-2011, 05:36 AM
When practices do start Leinart needs to be coming in an hour early and staying an hour late every day. Fans would like to know that he's doing everything possible to get up to speed.

ESPN was talking about how Leinart's already been doing that since he's been here even with a healthy Schaub, especially in the film room

SheTexan
11-16-2011, 07:51 AM
ESPN was talking about how Leinart's already been doing that since he's been here even with a healthy Schaub, especially in the film room

Matt Schaub made the comment on 610 yesterday that Matt L has been showing up with him at 6am everyday to study film, and go over things they need to know. They boy should be prepared, that's his job!! Time will tell if all this preparation will pay off. I believe it will!

IDEXAN
11-16-2011, 08:42 AM
I think "down time" is very important and Leinert gettin out of town and back home to SCal for a break for a few days is a positive move. I think the game in Jacksonville would have been a tough game even with Shaub still healthy and what's important is that Leinert be rested (physically and psycholicaly), and ready for a 6 game series plus hopefully one or more playoff games.

Texan_Bill
11-16-2011, 08:53 AM
Link (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7239293/andre-johnson-houston-texans-return-matt-leinart-takes-over)

Didn't see it posted, but... Leinart flying home for the bye week? :mcnugget:

Mandatory 4 days off during the bye week per the NFL.

Showtime100
11-16-2011, 08:58 AM
The Texans can't hold "official" or mandatory practices, it doesn't mean that Kubiak, Dennison, Leinart, AJ, OD, Walter, Jones, etc... can't get together off the Texans grounds and work out on their own. When practices do start Leinart needs to be coming in an hour early and staying an hour late every day. Fans would like to know that he's doing everything possible to get up to speed.

Aah, give 'em the 4 days off. Sometimes getting away for a short break is a good and healthy thing. Maybe Leinart will especially benefit from being home and hearing family and friends' words of encouragement, then getting back to work with a somewhat refreshed feel about things.

Malloy
11-16-2011, 09:20 AM
Who knows, perhaps it's more a problem for JAX than for us, they'll have to prepare for another QB with different tendencies. Most of their tape is 2 years old.

Wolf
11-16-2011, 09:32 AM
FYI Ben Tate is going home to see family and recharge also. Per his Facebook

Hardcore Texan
11-16-2011, 09:50 AM
Regardless of how much preparation he has been doing, he hasn't been out there against a live defense in a game situation in a long time. Here's to hoping they throw everything at him next week in practice to help him knock off the rust. Time to break out 1 of the 14 full practices allowed by the new CBA.

Mike77015
11-16-2011, 09:51 AM
Who knows, perhaps it's more a problem for JAX than for us, they'll have to prepare for another QB with different tendencies. Most of their tape is 2 years old.

I never thought about it that way.

NitroGSXR
11-16-2011, 10:09 AM
Regardless of how much preparation he has been doing, he hasn't been out there against a live defense in a game situation in a long time. Here's to hoping they throw everything at him next week in practice to help him knock off the rust. Time to break out 1 of the 14 full practices allowed by the new CBA.

They have already had 11 padded practices as mandated by the league. 11 of those 14 practices must be before week 11 (one per week). It is only after the BYE that they are allowed to have two in one week but they are not required to have two. It is left to their discrection.

HOU-TEX
11-16-2011, 10:17 AM
Mandatory 4 days off during the bye week per the NFL.

I thought it was 5 days? No?

mirage
11-16-2011, 10:21 AM
Matt Schaub made the comment on 610 yesterday that Matt L has been showing up with him at 6am everyday to study film, and go over things they need to know. They boy should be prepared, that's his job!! Time will tell if all this preparation will pay off. I believe it will!

That's awesome. It is hard to take Kubes' enthusiasm as a resounding endorsement (see: KJax and Okoye in years past lol), but this 6am thing makes me feel better about it. Someone mentioned it in another thread, but seeing how the O-Line adjusts (factoring in a different blind side and maybe more runs going the other way?) will be interesting for sure.

Hardcore Texan
11-16-2011, 10:24 AM
They have already had 11 padded practices as mandated by the league. 11 of those 14 practices must be before week 11 (one per week). It is only after the BYE that they are allowed to have two in one week but they are not required to have two. It is left to their discrection.

Interesting, I knew they had already did some of them but didn't the exact time table on them, thanks for posting. I wonder if they will use at least one next week? I'd assume so, leaving only two more for the year. He needs to practice against "live bullets" IMO.

Rey
11-16-2011, 10:28 AM
Interesting, I knew they had already did some of them but didn't the exact time table on them, thanks for posting. I wonder if they will use at least one next week? I'd assume so, leaving only two more for the year. He needs to practice against "live bullets" IMO.

Seeing that they will have had a week off, a padded practice at that point might be a good thing...

Maybe spread the other ones out and keep one on the back burner if we show up flat one week...

HJam72
11-16-2011, 10:31 AM
Nice to see that Matt & Matt have a "cozy" relationship. :jk:

Dutchrudder
11-16-2011, 10:32 AM
If Kubiak can turn Lienart into a good QB, he will be revered as one of the greatest QB coaches in the NFL. Although, he couldn't fix David Carr, so who knows...

BullNation4Life
11-16-2011, 10:32 AM
He p..p..p..p..promised? I hope that was the media's word and not his, because it is really hard to play QB with tears in your eyes.

:vincepalm: that didn't even make sense. Why would he have tears in his eyes after promising not to F up the season Schaub has started?

Sure he's made promises without tears. Maybe you're just a "sensitive" kind of guy...

BullNation4Life
11-16-2011, 10:38 AM
If Kubiak can turn Lienart into a good QB, he will be revered as one of the greatest QB coaches in the NFL. Although, he couldn't fix David Carr, so who knows...

GOD himself couldn't fix David Carr. Can't fix someone who wasn't willing to fix themselves ie, showing up at 6 am to watch film, work ethic, thinking his dad was a better QB coach than the one he had....

TexCanada
11-16-2011, 10:41 AM
:vincepalm: that didn't even make sense. Why would he have tears in his eyes after promising not to F up the season Schaub has started?

Sure he's made promises without tears. Maybe you're just a "sensitive" kind of guy...

It was a joke. The wording of that part of the article made it sound like a sappy love story, instead of a guy who has matured and is ready to take over a football team. Promises are meaningless, it's the on-field stuff that counts.

thunderkyss
11-16-2011, 10:50 AM
The Texans are not practicing (like most teams) during the bye week. If I am not mistaken, all of the players are off until sunday or next Monday.

They had their team meeting Monday, then individual work-outs & rehab yesterday.

You are correct, they will be off from now until Monday

Texan_Bill
11-16-2011, 10:51 AM
I thought it was 5 days? No?

I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere with the new CBA it's 4 days, but can't swear to it. I guess with mandatory Tuesdays off, maybe it is 5.

thunderkyss
11-16-2011, 10:53 AM
If Kubiak can turn Lienart into a good QB, he will be revered as one of the greatest QB coaches in the NFL. Although, he couldn't fix David Carr, so who knows...

Big difference.

I don't know that Kubiak couldn't "fix" Carr, but definitely not in the time frame he had to work with. Carr was beaten down & needed time off the field to get his head right.

Matt's been sitting around for 3 years, behind Kurt Warner & Matt Schaub.

Plus we have a team that David Carr would probably flourish on had he came straight out of college.

BullNation4Life
11-16-2011, 10:57 AM
It was a joke. The wording of that part of the article made it sound like a sappy love story, instead of a guy who has matured and is ready to take over a football team. Promises are meaningless, it's the on-field stuff that counts.

Well I promise next time I'll take your post as a joke...:crying:

*tear* You complete me Mini Me...

Hervoyel
11-16-2011, 11:33 AM
I think "down time" is very important and Leinert gettin out of town and back home to SCal for a break for a few days is a positive move. I think the game in Jacksonville would have been a tough game even with Shaub still healthy and what's important is that Leinert be rested (physically and psycholicaly), and ready for a 6 game series plus hopefully one or more playoff games.

Aah, give 'em the 4 days off. Sometimes getting away for a short break is a good and healthy thing. Maybe Leinart will especially benefit from being home and hearing family and friends' words of encouragement, then getting back to work with a somewhat refreshed feel about things.


This is exactly right. This week they can't practice. That's the way the rules work. The last thing he needs to be doing is sitting around obsessing over this game during a week when he really can't do much to prepare for it beyond individual work/study. He should unwind, hang out with his family & friends and hear all that encouragement from a bunch of people who no-doubt genuinely believe in him and know he'll succeed.

Then come back recharged and start working with his teammates on beating the cats in the litter box.




On an unrelated side-note I was changing my cats litter box last night. We put the plastic box in a big heavy black contractor bag and then push the bag down into the plastic box. Then we pour the litter in on top of it. This makes changing it very easy because you just pull the bag off inside out and get everything in one pass. It also makes my cats litter box look exactly like it's ringed in black tarps. The resemblance to EverBank Field* is uncanny.


*That's what they're calling it this week I guess.

BigBull17
11-16-2011, 11:41 AM
You need time to rest. He hasn't been playing, but he has been at it all year and it isn't an easy life. Recharge and get us to the promised land.

Playoffs
11-16-2011, 01:13 PM
Was this, like, a candlelight Matt & Matt dinner???

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Double Barrel
11-16-2011, 01:18 PM
If Kubiak can turn Lienart into a good QB, he will be revered as one of the greatest QB coaches in the NFL. Although, he couldn't fix David Carr, so who knows...

I think David Carr was broken when Kubiak arrived. He had poor work habits, was not a student of the game, and was not dedicated to intense film study. These are all things that he has admitted to after he left here.

I give Kubiak a pass on Carr because it was McNair's condition for getting the job. And besides, he had Carr in good enough shape to help us finally beat the [eventual Super Bowl champion] Colts for the first time in franchise history.

NitroGSXR
11-16-2011, 01:28 PM
I think David Carr was broken when Kubiak arrived. He had poor work habits, was not a student of the game, and was not dedicated to intense film study. These are all things that he has admitted to after he left here.

I give Kubiak a pass on Carr because it was McNair's condition for getting the job. And besides, he had Carr in good enough shape to help us finally beat the [eventual Super Bowl champion] Colts for the first time in franchise history.

Sounds like the same things Leinart said about his time in Arizona. What makes Leinart not "broken" now? I have a terrible feeling about this. I sense a train barreling into rush hour pedestrian traffic.

Matt Leinart AKA the left-handed David Carr.

thunderkyss
11-16-2011, 01:36 PM
Sounds like the same things Leinart said about his time in Arizona. What makes Leinart not "broken" now? I have a terrible feeling about this. I sense a train barreling into rush hour pedestrian traffic.

Matt Leinart AKA the left-handed David Carr.

On NFLN Kurt Warner had said that Lienart had already matured from that stage before Kurt left.

The speculation is that Wisenhunt & Lienart clashed for some unknown reason.

& the last three weeks should make it clear we won't be asking him to do the same things he was asked to do in Arizona. All they had, was Warner, Fitz, & Darnell Docket. We've got a legit running game, a legit defense, a legit OL, & a legit H.O.F. WR.

David Carr would shine on this team.

HOU-TEX
11-16-2011, 02:08 PM
On NFLN Kurt Warner had said that Lienart had already matured from that stage before Kurt left.

The speculation is that Wisenhunt & Lienart clashed for some unknown reason.

& the last three weeks should make it clear we won't be asking him to do the same things he was asked to do in Arizona. All they had, was Warner, Fitz, & Darnell Docket. We've got a legit running game, a legit defense, a legit OL, & a legit H.O.F. WR.

David Carr would shine on this team.

**** me to tears! You say some whacked crap sometimes, TK, but this takes the cake.

NitroGSXR
11-16-2011, 02:35 PM
On NFLN Kurt Warner had said that Lienart had already matured from that stage before Kurt left.

The speculation is that Wisenhunt & Lienart clashed for some unknown reason.

& the last three weeks should make it clear we won't be asking him to do the same things he was asked to do in Arizona. All they had, was Warner, Fitz, & Darnell Docket. We've got a legit running game, a legit defense, a legit OL, & a legit H.O.F. WR.

David Carr would shine on this team.

Carr had a legit defense with Glenn and Payne. He had the same HOF WR that Schaub has now. Domanick Davis was no schlub when he broke out. Things were rocking in 2004.

Also, I don't think the Texans badmouthed Carr when he left.

JamesBill
11-16-2011, 02:39 PM
Carr had a legit defense with Glenn and Payne. He had the same HOF WR that Schaub has now. Domanick Davis was no schlub when he broke out. Things were rocking in 2004.

He also had "great" offensive minds like The Dominator and Joe freaking Pendry.

Hervoyel
11-16-2011, 02:39 PM
**** me to tears! You say some whacked crap sometimes, TK, but this takes the cake.


It might be whacked crap but I have to say I agree with him for the most part. To the extent that David Carr was capable of shining he would shine on this team. Everything any college QB might need to be successful is here.

If you look at it objectively with Andre Johnson returning this actually IS that mythical team where everything else is working perfectly that Carr needed to be successful.

HOU-TEX
11-16-2011, 02:50 PM
It might be whacked crap but I have to say I agree with him for the most part. To the extent that David Carr was capable of shining he would shine on this team. Everything any college QB might need to be successful is here.

If you look at it objectively with Andre Johnson returning this actually IS that mythical team where everything else is working perfectly that Carr needed to be successful.

First, let me say, I just nut checked myself due to hitting the reply button knowing I was going to talk about this dude.

Anywho, I don't think he was ever smart enough to run an offense like this to the extent it's been run. He never really took the time to study the position to the extent most QBs do.

Now, there might be a slim chance he'd do ok if he was given the opportunity today *gag me with a spoon*. I mean, you'd think he's learned something after 10 years, right?

Texecutioner
11-16-2011, 02:53 PM
If Kubiak can turn Lienart into a good QB, he will be revered as one of the greatest QB coaches in the NFL. Although, he couldn't fix David Carr, so who knows...

Huh? Why would he be considered that? Leinart was never a complete slouch. Wisenhunt gave up way to early on him and just didn't like him from the start. Leinart played alright when he first started. Kubiak got Schaub and Schaub had looked pretty good from the jump, but Kubes hasn't done anything with any other QB's here so lets back off of that greatest QB coach in the NFL stuff for a second. He didn't make Grossman, Dan O, or Carr look good at all. He thought he could, and wasn't able to do so. Leinart isn't near as bad as people have made him out to be over the years and I've been very happy to have him as our back up. He won't have to do a whole lot most likely and will manage games more than he'll have to carry an offense.



Plus we have a team that David Carr would probably flourish on had he came straight out of college.

I've wondered about you at times, but this is just downright crazy. Just about as crazy as how you stated that Slaton had his best season as a Texan last year.

Señor Stan
11-16-2011, 03:31 PM
david carr would shine shoes on this team.

fify

infantrycak
11-16-2011, 03:55 PM
Kubiak got Schaub and Schaub had looked pretty good from the jump, but Kubes hasn't done anything with any other QB's here so lets back off of that greatest QB coach in the NFL stuff for a second. He didn't make Grossman, Dan O, or Carr look good at all.

Orlovsky had zero attempts in the regular season and Grossman had nine. Neither was ever being considered as a starting QB. C'mon. Kubiak coached QB's have had very good success. Typically the best of their careers. And we should be wishing for that with Leinart.

It might be whacked crap but I have to say I agree with him for the most part. To the extent that David Carr was capable of shining he would shine on this team. Everything any college QB might need to be successful is here.

If you look at it objectively with Andre Johnson returning this actually IS that mythical team where everything else is working perfectly that Carr needed to be successful.

Yes DC would be more successful than he was but it isn't solely about the team around him (nor is it solely about the QB). Carr couldn't see the middle of the field, with all sorts of mobility (the anti-Schaub) he had no pocket presence, he couldn't make the kind of line calls Kubiak's system requires, etc. He just was so poor he limited any team around him.

Playoffs
11-16-2011, 04:09 PM
Massive HWNMNBM violations, here. :kitten:

Double Barrel
11-16-2011, 04:21 PM
It might be whacked crap but I have to say I agree with him for the most part. To the extent that David Carr was capable of shining he would shine on this team. Everything any college QB might need to be successful is here.

If you look at it objectively with Andre Johnson returning this actually IS that mythical team where everything else is working perfectly that Carr needed to be successful.

Trent Dilfer is David Carr's best friend (for real). I think if Carr had been drafted by an established team, sat on the bench and forced to learn how to be a functional NFL QB, I think he could have had the potential to be Dilfer-like on a team that had everything else going for it (meaning manage a game and don't make mistakes).

Massive HWNMNBM violations, here. :kitten:

We have moved beyond that now...or, at least some of us have moved beyond living in that past.

rush2112mn
11-16-2011, 04:33 PM
So...he had dinner Monday....and flew to spend time with his son out in California...good for him....
And he will be in here ready to go 6am Monday......

Kimmy
11-16-2011, 04:56 PM
Link: What he's been doing

“He has spent a lot of extra time working on our drops and our progressions,” Knapp said. “What we believe is so important is the way our footwork is tied in with our progressions. That’s what we spend a lot of extra time on.

"As far as the classroom goes, he is definitely one of the sharpest guys I’ve worked with… Matt’s very studious about knowing his progressions with the reads based on the coverages he’s getting.”

Linkage (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/30742/the-extra-work-leinarts-been-doing)

thunderkyss
11-16-2011, 05:10 PM
First, let me say, I just nut checked myself due to hitting the reply button knowing I was going to talk about this dude.

Anywho, I don't think he was ever smart enough to run an offense like this to the extent it's been run. He never really took the time to study the position to the extent most QBs do.

Now, there might be a slim chance he'd do ok if he was given the opportunity today *gag me with a spoon*. I mean, you'd think he's learned something after 10 years, right?

First, it was really more a compliment to our team (running game, OL, scheme, defense, talent) than it was any kind of a compliment to David Carr.

Second, I wasn't a David Carr fan before he got here, but those first two years, he looked as if winning was important to him.

Third, you're right, I shouldn't have gone there.

thunderkyss
11-16-2011, 05:13 PM
I've wondered about you at times, but this is just downright crazy. Just about as crazy as how you stated that Slaton had his best season as a Texan last year.

I had never said Slaton had his best season as a Texan last year.

Just because a particular poster says I did, doesn't make it so.

& another thing... if you truly have a problem with what I said above, it only proves you've got a problem letting your emotions cloud your ability to scout players. Coming out of college, the kids' talent made him the #1 overall selection.

Rey
11-16-2011, 05:28 PM
Carr would still make stupid mistakes even if he was given a shot with this team today. That's just his personality type.

He's erratic and doesn't think well under pressure.

Texecutioner
11-16-2011, 05:30 PM
I had never said Slaton had his best season as a Texan last year.

Just because a particular poster says I did, doesn't make it so.

Dude, you said it so don't even try to back off of that statement now. I remember reading it just fine and it wasn't long ago. If you'd like to retract that statement now then fine, but don't sit here and outright lie as if you didn't post it. GP and several others questioned you about it at the time and you tried to use some lame YPC average to justify it.

& another thing... if you truly have a problem with what I said above, it only proves you've got a problem letting your emotions cloud your ability to scout players. Coming out of college, the kids' talent made him the #1 overall selection.

:spit: I don't care what his talent was coming out of college. Newsflash to Thunder, every 1st round QB in the NFL is a top tier talent. That doesn't mean that they can play in the NFL at a high level and David Carr never could. He stunk it up everywhere so spare me with this drivel about having the abilities to scout players. You made a goof of a statement here and you know it.

thunderkyss
11-16-2011, 05:31 PM
Link: What he's been doing

"As far as the classroom goes, he is definitely one of the sharpest guys I’ve worked with… Matt’s very studious about knowing his progressions with the reads based on the coverages he’s getting.”

Linkage (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/30742/the-extra-work-leinarts-been-doing)

Good read, thanks.

The statement in bold, I wonder exactly what does that mean. Does that mean the #1, 2, & 3 reads change depending on the coverage?

I just always assumed Andre was #1, then whoever, then whoever....

thunderkyss
11-16-2011, 05:34 PM
Dude, you said it so don't even try to back off of that statement now. I remember reading it just fine and it wasn't long ago. If you'd like to retract that statement now then fine, but don't sit here and outright lie as if you didn't post it. GP and several others questioned you about it at the time and you tried to use some lame YPC average to justify it.

I'm sorry, then it's a problem with your reading comprehension skills.

:spit: I don't care what his talent was coming out of college. Newsflash to Thunder, every 1st round QB in the NFL is a top tier talent. That doesn't mean that they can play in the NFL at a high level and David Carr never could. He stunk it up everywhere so spare me with this drivel about having the abilities to scout players. You made a goof of a statement here and you know it.

So you're saying he never had any promise in this league? You were never, ever a fan of David Carr?

BigBull17
11-16-2011, 05:51 PM
On NFLN Kurt Warner had said that Lienart had already matured from that stage before Kurt left.

The speculation is that Wisenhunt & Lienart clashed for some unknown reason.
& the last three weeks should make it clear we won't be asking him to do the same things he was asked to do in Arizona. All they had, was Warner, Fitz, & Darnell Docket. We've got a legit running game, a legit defense, a legit OL, & a legit H.O.F. WR.

David Carr would shine on this team.

Maybe Matt banged his daughter? Or she wanted to hop in the hot tub with him?

I wonder how the blind side will work. If teams adjust by lining up speed rushers on WInston, I would run strait at them. do that enough, and they may reconsider.

Texecutioner
11-16-2011, 06:35 PM
I'm sorry, then it's a problem with your reading comprehension skills.

Dude stop. You wrote it outright, so don't put that on others because you know how ridiculous that statement was now. That leads me to believe that down the line you'll deny saying that David Carr could do a great job at QB for this current team.


So you're saying he never had any promise in this league? You were never, ever a fan of David Carr?

Of course he did, and yes I was a fan when he was drafted. What is your point?? He sucked not only with us, but with 3 teams. This is just one of those off the wall statements that can't be justified in any way what so ever just like the one about Slaton having his best season with the Texans last year.

ObsiWan
11-16-2011, 06:39 PM
Massive HWNMNBM violations, here. :kitten:
BURN THEM!!!
:roast:

oh wait... that's witches isn't it?

never mind

NitroGSXR
11-16-2011, 06:56 PM
Dude stop. You wrote it outright, so don't put that on others because you know how ridiculous that statement was now. That leads me to believe that down the line you'll deny saying that David Carr could do a great job at QB for this current team.




Of course he did, and yes I was a fan when he was drafted. What is your point?? He sucked not only with us, but with 3 teams. This is just one of those off the wall statements that can't be justified in any way what so ever just like the one about Slaton having his best season with the Texans last year.

Prove it. I'm curious if TK really said that.

thunderkyss
11-16-2011, 06:56 PM
Dude stop. You wrote it outright, so don't put that on others because you know how ridiculous that statement was now. That leads me to believe that down the line you'll deny saying that David Carr could do a great job at QB for this current team.

I'll stand by the statement I made back then, Steve Slaton was running better this year than he ran as a rookie. He had his burst back, that he lost his sophomore year, & was hitting holes better than he did his rookie year.

I never said whatever you or GP said I said.




Of course he did, and yes I was a fan when he was drafted. What is your point?? He sucked not only with us, but with 3 teams. This is just one of those off the wall statements that can't be justified in any way what so ever just like the one about Slaton having his best season with the Texans last year.

I'm glad you enjoy watching our team.

GP
11-17-2011, 10:41 AM
On NFLN Kurt Warner had said that Lienart had already matured from that stage before Kurt left.

The speculation is that Wisenhunt & Lienart clashed for some unknown reason.

& the last three weeks should make it clear we won't be asking him to do the same things he was asked to do in Arizona. All they had, was Warner, Fitz, & Darnell Docket. We've got a legit running game, a legit defense, a legit OL, & a legit H.O.F. WR.

David Carr would shine on this team.

See, this is what I'm talking about. And you have the nerve to say I, GP, make up some funny shit? LOL. Geez.

You're on a roll, TK.

What's next, Tony Hollings would be a Pro-Bowler if he played for the 2011 Texans right now?

Just stop.

GP
11-17-2011, 10:46 AM
I'll stand by the statement I made back then, Steve Slaton was running better this year than he ran as a rookie. He had his burst back, that he lost his sophomore year, & was hitting holes better than he did his rookie year.

I never said whatever you or GP said I said.




I'm glad you enjoy watching our team.

This is why you're headed for my ignore list. I used to think this sort of stuff was cute and fun, but it's gotten old.

Steve Slaton, this year, was running smack dab into the BACK of his blockers and not finding any holes that you say he was hitting. He was a pile magnet.

And now David Carr "would shine on the Texans right now."

Take responsibility, or stop posting knee-jerk analysis/prognostications that try to find hidden talent in players who have none. You can't wish success upon people, TK.

GP
11-17-2011, 11:24 AM
Prove it. I'm curious if TK really said that.

It took me awhile, about 30 minutes, but a post search with the key words "Steve Slaton 2008" provided a series of back-and-forths on this very subject back in the early past of summer 2011.

FYI: My memory is pretty good, almost photographic. It's a genetic thing. I remember him saying it, all the way back then, and it was so off-the-wall fantastical that I burned its image into my head back....just knowing that there would be more such outrageous claims from TK.

Now he's saying David Carr would shine on this team.

Can't wish success on people, it's earned. And the Texans obviously don't think Steve Slaton was running better in 2010 than he was in 2008 because he was 4th-best RB on this team and released outright.

Here's the exact quote, and it's post #54 (if you filter posts by most recent) in this thread count link. (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1716754&highlight=steve+slaton+2008#post1716754)

If there is a good deal out there, something that will make the team better....... I've got no problem with that. I'm just saying I wouldn't trade him just to trade him. I don't think we can find a better RB option on the street or undrafted.

The trade deadline is weeks into the season, no reason to hurry.

By the way, I don't agree with your analysis of his running this year. I think he was a better runner in 2010 than he was in 2008. 2008, His speed & his burst made up for a poor offensive line.

He said Steve Slaton was a better runner in 2010. I don't care if he thinks he had some sort of burst, or the o-line wasn't as good back in 2008 and blah-blah-blah...that's all conjecture, IMO. He was not a better runner in 2009, 2010, nor in the brief part of 2011.

Out of all four of his years (2008, 09, 10, and so far in 2011), his best year was 2008 and he looked pretty good. It's been downhill since then. Period.

EDIT: And FYI: I really hated having to do the search and having to pull this up and explain it like this. I'm not hating on TK, I'm just saying that this is what was said...he's saying that's not what he said...so I felt like I needed to show you, Nitro, that it WAS said and it seems TK wants to debate the semantics of what he said. With what he is now saying about how David Carr would shine on this team now...well, I want to be done with this argument and put it to bed once and for all. All I did this for was to show that stuff wasn't being made up on here. It is what it is, I suppose.

GP
11-17-2011, 11:36 AM
Now, back to the topic of this thread.

Glad to see he's going to get some R&R back in California, see his family and friends, they all need a chance to have a few days off.

I always wondered what it felt like to be a pro sports player and know that you're probably working right through Thanksgiving and Christmas...missing out on a lot of free time in those holidays that we are all accustomed to having with our own families. That the guys have these extra free days to themselves--so close to Thanksgiving--is a huge blessing, IMO.

I feel really confident about the game vs. Jax, btw.

Rey
11-17-2011, 11:40 AM
I don't like to get in other peoples debates, but I don't remember TK saying slaton had his best year last year(which is what he denied saying) ...

I remember him saying Slaton was running better. (Which is something that you didn't have to search for because he said that in this thread; on this page in fact) :mcnugget:

I don't know if I agree with him or not, but those statements are not the same thing.

thunderkyss
11-17-2011, 02:47 PM
I don't like to get in other peoples debates, but I don't remember TK saying slaton had his best year last year(which is what he denied saying) ...


Reading comprehension is a mother....

I also said David Carr straight out of college...

But they're not hearing me.

Playoffs
11-17-2011, 03:59 PM
BURN THEM!!!
:roast:

oh wait... that's witches isn't it?

never mind
Only if they're made of wood!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

eriadoc
11-17-2011, 06:17 PM
I think stuff like this is always overplayed on both sides of the debate, but I must admit, I liked that Carson Palmer told his WRs in Oakland that they didn't have a bye week. They worked out during the bye week, getting used to each other. I would have liked to have seen something like that with Leinart, but Leinart does have some field time with these receivers. I don't think the mandated time off has anything to do with anything, unless the Raiders and/or Carson Palmer get fined all of a sudden.

Really though, a non-story.

Thorn
11-17-2011, 06:42 PM
I think stuff like this is always overplayed on both sides of the debate, but I must admit, I liked that Carson Palmer told his WRs in Oakland that they didn't have a bye week. They worked out during the bye week, getting used to each other. I would have liked to have seen something like that with Leinart, but Leinart does have some field time with these receivers. I don't think the mandated time off has anything to do with anything, unless the Raiders and/or Carson Palmer get fined all of a sudden.

Really though, a non-story.

I agree. This is Lineart's 2nd year with the team, it's not like he has a new playbook to learn.

Texan_Touchdown
11-17-2011, 09:00 PM
I agree with above. Matt Lainart will be ready against the Jags. Question is will he be starter ready.. I say yes mainly because Kubiak is a QB coach, he gives Schuab good open guys to throw to most of the time. And Schuab gets real shaky on his 3rd read like he feels the sack already, hopefully Matt can use his better feet work to buy some time or get the ball out quick, because they're coming to blitz. But knowing Kubiak he'll throw in a TE screen for 30 yards then go back to his ground and pound.. I don't see our offense changing much except on boot leg nakeds, and PA because he's a lefty.

texanfan2002114
11-17-2011, 11:03 PM
Link: What he's been doing

“He has spent a lot of extra time working on our drops and our progressions,” Knapp said. “What we believe is so important is the way our footwork is tied in with our progressions. That’s what we spend a lot of extra time on.

"As far as the classroom goes, he is definitely one of the sharpest guys I’ve worked with… Matt’s very studious about knowing his progressions with the reads based on the coverages he’s getting.”



Linkage (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/30742/the-extra-work-leinarts-been-doing)

I'm glad you posted this Kimmy. Everything I have heard from Matt Schaub to Kurt Warner about Matt Leinart has been great. Even Leinart saying that he stays after every practice to throw balls and getting his feet work down with Knapp. This guy is ready to lead this team deep in the playoffs!!

Kimmy I tried to rep you but I need to spread!

Texecutioner
11-18-2011, 12:21 AM
Reading comprehension is a mother....

I also said David Carr straight out of college...

But they're not hearing me.

This is just a football conversation for god's sake. He just posted your exact words and you're still denying it. Are you even able to comprehend what you type or is lying just that common for you?

"I think he was a better runner in 2010 than he was in 2008."

Now here you are further attempting to illustrate that point in the same thread.

"He averaged 4.9 ypc on what averaged out to 2 carries per game. If he touched the ball that little in 2008, I doubt he would have averaged 3 ypc. Just like everyone is saying, he'd break a huge run to get his average up in 2008, not so in 2010. "

Slaton ran every bit as good as Ward did in 2011.



Your words are what they are and you can't change them now. I didn't even remember what the thread title was, nor did I even care to take the time to search through 100's of threads just to prove you wrote some ridiculous statement like that. If you can't even man up about something so trivial, it's just further proof that you're a waste of time to discuss anything football related. But to call out some lame ass reading comprehension bullshit is just pathetic and you know it.

I don't like to get in other peoples debates, but I don't remember TK saying slaton had his best year last year(which is what he denied saying) ...

Well since you are meddling into this debate than do us all a favor and read what we're actually talking about which is an older thread where these statements were made. GP provided the link for you to read if you wanted to interject, so read it before stating what he did or didn't say because if you had it wasn't debatable what he wrote, unless his next response is going to be that his account was hacked.


I remember him saying Slaton was running better. (Which is something that you didn't have to search for because he said that in this thread; on this page in fact) :mcnugget:

We're not talking about this thread. We're talking about an older thread for the last time.

Prove it. I'm curious if TK really said that.

Next time search for this stuff yourself if your curiosity is strong instead of demanding others to do it. I sure as hell wasn't going to search through 100's of threads to prove something like that. GP happened to remember the thread and probably found it really fast, but find it yourself next time.

Rey
11-18-2011, 01:49 AM
I'm glad you posted this Kimmy. Everything I have heard from Matt Schaub to Kurt Warner about Matt Leinart has been great. Even Leinart saying that he stays after every practice to throw balls and getting his feet work down with Knapp. This guy is ready to lead this team deep in the playoffs!!

Kimmy I tried to rep you but I need to spread!

All of it sounds good, but I'm just anxious to see it play out.

I think Leinart will be fine, but I've been wrong before so I'm not 100% sold on it. Everything is aligned for him so hopefully he can take advantage.

thunderkyss
11-18-2011, 04:26 AM
Next time search for this stuff yourself if your curiosity is strong instead of demanding others to do it. I sure as hell wasn't going to search through 100's of threads to prove something like that. GP happened to remember the thread and probably found it really fast, but find it yourself next time.

Next time, get someone to proofread your argument.

You're still not getting it.

I never said what you said I said.

You have proven that I did say what I said I said. I am not denying any of the statements you most recently quoted.

NitroGSXR
11-18-2011, 07:39 AM
This is just a football conversation for god's sake. He just posted your exact words and you're still denying it. Are you even able to comprehend what you type or is lying just that common for you?



Now here you are further attempting to illustrate that point in the same thread.







Your words are what they are and you can't change them now. I didn't even remember what the thread title was, nor did I even care to take the time to search through 100's of threads just to prove you wrote some ridiculous statement like that. If you can't even man up about something so trivial, it's just further proof that you're a waste of time to discuss anything football related. But to call out some lame ass reading comprehension bullshit is just pathetic and you know it.



Well since you are meddling into this debate than do us all a favor and read what we're actually talking about which is an older thread where these statements were made. GP provided the link for you to read if you wanted to interject, so read it before stating what he did or didn't say because if you had it wasn't debatable what he wrote, unless his next response is going to be that his account was hacked.




We're not talking about this thread. We're talking about an older thread for the last time.



Next time search for this stuff yourself if your curiosity is strong instead of demanding others to do it. I sure as hell wasn't going to search through 100's of threads to prove something like that. GP happened to remember the thread and probably found it really fast, but find it yourself next time.

WTF crawled up your puckerhole? Search for it myself? I had no clue where to begin. Its YOUR and GP's accusation. I was demanding others? How novel...

El Tejano
11-18-2011, 10:18 AM
For those who are concerned that Matt L. will not be watching game film etc... because he didn't say so, he also didn't say he was going to be tapping Jay Cutler's fiancee but you and all the world knows she's going to be in the hot tub all Bye week!

Hardcore Texan
11-18-2011, 11:13 AM
If you know which poster posted what you are trying to search for, it ain't that hard and it doesn't take that long. Click on the person's name, click on statistics, click on find all post by person "x" and scroll through the post complete with thread title.

Now if the person has 10K post and it was posted years ago that would take a long time and it might be quicker using keywords and the search feature. But if it was recent is shouldn't take more than 5 minutes if you adamant about digging it up to prove a point. But carry on folks......

NitroGSXR
11-18-2011, 11:21 AM
If you know which poster posted what you are trying to search for, it ain't that hard and it doesn't take that long. Click on the person's name, click on statistics, click on find all post by person "x" and scroll through the post complete with thread title.

Now if the person has 10K post and it was posted years ago that would take a long time and it might be quicker using keywords and the search feature. But if it was recent is shouldn't take more than 5 minutes if you adamant about digging it up to prove a point. But carry on folks......

Seriously? Now I feel bad for asking for a link.

*walks away*

Rough crowd these days...

Hardcore Texan
11-18-2011, 11:29 AM
Seriously? Now I feel bad for asking for a link.

*walks away*

Rough crowd these days...

It is a rough crowd these days, and not really my cup of tea TBH. I hope my post didn't come off the same way.

Texecutioner
11-18-2011, 06:44 PM
WTF crawled up your puckerhole? Search for it myself? I had no clue where to begin. Its YOUR and GP's accusation. I was demanding others? How novel...

If GP hadn't located that thread and the quote you and I both know you'd be crying foul in here and calling me a liar, so let's be real here. I wasn't going to dig up some old post of TK's to prove anything. He backtracks on his statements in here all the time.

If you know which poster posted what you are trying to search for, it ain't that hard and it doesn't take that long. Click on the person's name, click on statistics, click on find all post by person "x" and scroll through the post complete with thread title.

Now if the person has 10K post and it was posted years ago that would take a long time and it might be quicker using keywords and the search feature. But if it was recent is shouldn't take more than 5 minutes if you adamant about digging it up to prove a point. But carry on folks......

Not when it's involving someone that posts like 50 posts per day. That search tool you're referring to only goes back so far. No one should have to do that any way. If you made a statement and pushed a perspective out there, you should own up to it even if you realize it was a little silly or proven wrong after the fact. We're all adults here. It's not that big of a deal, but it's pretty telling about the poster for future discussions. I won't waste any further time with someone in a discussion who pulls tactics like that.

thunderkyss
11-18-2011, 06:48 PM
If GP hadn't located that thread and the quote you and I both know you'd be crying foul in here and calling me a liar, so let's be real here. I wasn't going to dig up some old post of TK's to prove anything. He backtracks on his statements in here all the time.

For the record, I haven't back tracked on anything.

Cerberus
11-18-2011, 07:00 PM
The new CBA requires teams to give players four consecutive days off during the bye week. Probably why he's flying home.

Exactly. Had he stayed, he would have had access to the facilities and could have practiced with other players, but not with any coaches. That is what Carson Palmer and a few Raider receivers did to help get Carson up to speed. So, Leinart could have stayed if he really wanted to. He has been here for nearly 1.5 years, so he should know the offense and his receivers, but he could have brushed up on the timing. Then again, it is getting close to T-giving, so I'm sure there are some football families celebrating a little early with the turkey.

Texecutioner
11-18-2011, 07:01 PM
For the record, I haven't back tracked on anything.

I guess your account was hacked then right? Or do you have some type of code for your statements that don't mean what they say in your own world? The proof is right there on the page, so carry on your chirade as long as you want. You were the only one I ever put on ignore before because of wasting my time in discussions like this, and taking you off was a mistake. Others can waste their time with you, but I won't.

thunderkyss
11-18-2011, 07:04 PM
I guess your account was hacked then right?

I love you man!!!

NitroGSXR
11-18-2011, 07:04 PM
If GP hadn't located that thread and the quote you and I both know you'd be crying foul in here and calling me a liar, so let's be real here. I wasn't going to dig up some old post of TK's to prove anything. He backtracks on his statements in here all the time.



Not when it's involving someone that posts like 50 posts per day. That search tool you're referring to only goes back so far. No one should have to do that any way. If you made a statement and pushed a perspective out there, you should own up to it even if you realize it was a little silly or proven wrong after the fact. We're all adults here. It's not that big of a deal, but it's pretty telling about the poster for future discussions. I won't waste any further time with someone in a discussion who pulls tactics like that.

No, I don't know. Paranoia much? I wanted to see the link so I could laugh at TK for making such an outrageous statement. What you are is arrogant.

ThaJokaa
11-18-2011, 07:10 PM
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315520_319175824763570_100000134660982_1478656_152 0212521_n.jpg

Thorn
11-18-2011, 07:28 PM
It's gonna be a long week and ah half.

Need more beer and pizza.

Texecutioner
11-20-2011, 02:35 PM
No, I don't know. Paranoia much? I wanted to see the link so I could laugh at TK for making such an outrageous statement. What you are is arrogant.

You have described me as many things, but one thing you always are to me is predictably amusing. You jump into a conversation and tell someone to "prove it" as if you're involved and then state that you're not even involved, but yet you have no problem getting involved. It's like having a little sister.

GP
11-20-2011, 04:18 PM
The Jags looked very weak in today's game vs. the Browns. I mean, if Colt McCoy beats your team...that's petty bad news.

I'm feeling good about next Sunday. I think Matt2 throws at least one TD from the hot tub, and maybe another while holding the beer bong for the Jags' cheerleaders.

Texecutioner
11-20-2011, 04:47 PM
The Jags looked very weak in today's game vs. the Browns. I mean, if Colt McCoy beats your team...that's petty bad news.

I'm feeling good about next Sunday. I think Matt2 throws at least one TD from the hot tub, and maybe another while holding the beer bong for the Jags' cheerleaders.

Maybe he'll carry out a cigarette on the field with him and take a drag right after he launches one down the field to AJ. :splits:

ObsiWan
11-20-2011, 04:49 PM
Maybe he'll carry out a cigarette on the field with him and take a drag right after he launches one down the field to AJ. :splits:

but during halftime A.J. will "have a word with Leinart" for subjecting the team to 2nd-hand smoke.
:kitten:

Texecutioner
11-20-2011, 04:53 PM
but during halftime A.J. will "have a word with Leinart" for subjecting the team to 2nd-hand smoke.
:kitten:

When Lionheart goes to the sidelines and takes his helmet off I'd like to see him put those old school Oakley's on from the 80's. Let him go Jim Mcmahon style. :breakdance:

thunderkyss
11-20-2011, 05:00 PM
When Lionheart goes to the sidelines and takes his helmet off I'd like to see him put those old school Oakley's on from the 80's. Let him go Jim Mcmahon style. :breakdance:

I was thinking Ray-bans.... Joe Cool style.

http://bobchristenson.com/wp-content/uploads/lgfp1206+snoopy-is-joe-cool-charles-schulzs-peanuts-poster.jpg

Thorn
11-20-2011, 05:11 PM
In a huge play late in the game, Leinert throws his hot tub down the field and takes out half the Jags defense. The Texans are called for a "Ruffin' the Tub" penalty, but on the next play Leinhart hands off to Ward and then throws Ward in the end zone. SCORE!!

Hervoyel
11-20-2011, 06:33 PM
Would they let you take a beer bong into the stadium? I can't imagine what kind of problem the Texans might have with it. We need to get somebody like 94.5 to do a promotion with beer bongs. "BATTLE-RED BEER BONG DAY" at Reliant.