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TexansBull
11-15-2011, 02:51 PM
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/9741/is-matt-leinart-better-than-you-think

I think this is fairly accurate in the fact that noone knows how Leinart is going to play when he starts. Its a problem of a former head coach that may not have given him a fair shake, the fact he hasn't played that much, and the questions about leadership, confidence, and commitment.

When we see how he plays but I am optimistic with the weapons and scheme he has to make him better than he actually is. Kubes will be tested as the QB Guru.

Hardcore Texan
11-15-2011, 03:09 PM
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/9741/is-matt-leinart-better-than-you-think

I think this is fairly accurate in the fact that noone knows how Leinart is going to play when he starts. Its a problem of a former head coach that may not have given him a fair shake, the fact he hasn't played that much, and the questions about leadership, confidence, and commitment.

When we see how he plays but I am optimistic with the weapons and scheme he has to make him better than he actually is. Kubes will be tested as the QB Guru.


Good read and interesting viewpoint. He seems to like the system here and working under Kubes as he turned down the job in Seattle. He just needs be a "game manager" and build his confindence. He's got the supporting cast. I think we still can go 3-3 over our next 6. Here's to hoping he's ready to play and can do so effectively, in his words this is what he has been waiting for, so we shall see.

I couldn't help but snicker at this snippet:

Replacing him as the starter is habitual hot-tubber and colossal draft bust Matt Leinart, who quietly signed and then re-signed with the Texans last year after being cut by the Arizona Cardinals in training camp.

Texan_Bill
11-15-2011, 03:12 PM
Arizona Matt----> Immature. Party life. Broken collar bone. Kurt Warner

Houston Matt -----> Humbled, matured, and decided to sign as a back-up here as opposed to starting in Seatle with Pete Carroll, so that he could continue to develop with Kubiak's system.

I like Matt's chances.

*EDIT*

I'm not suggesting that he will be the second coming of Johnny Unitas, but he won't be Johnny Utah, either.

Vinny
11-15-2011, 03:12 PM
He was making poor reads in the preseason from what I could gather. He has all the tools, but we'll see what he can do with them now.

Hardcore Texan
11-15-2011, 03:17 PM
He was making poor reads in the preseason from what I could gather. He has all the tools, but we'll see what he can do with them now.

That's the great equalizer right there. It's up to him.

Rey
11-15-2011, 03:30 PM
Good read.

I've been having these awesome visions of Leinart becoming the top ten pick he was drafted as and flourishing in our system.

I actually think he has a chance to be really good in our system...especially if he can get a little confidence...

HJam72
11-15-2011, 03:37 PM
No sexbox for Leinart. :tiphat:

Wolf
11-15-2011, 03:45 PM
he has got to be better than sanchez? right ? I Hope :splits:

time will tell
:cow:

House of Pain
11-15-2011, 03:53 PM
He was making poor reads in the preseason from what I could gather. He has all the tools, but we'll see what he can do with them now.

Do you think that had anything to do with him playing with the 2nd team? And if you are talking about when he was playing with the 1st team, don't you think that is too small of a sample size to judge?

I'm not doubting that he was making poor reads and/or still will make poor reads.

Kgbmedic
11-15-2011, 04:00 PM
I can only hope that my expectation of Matt is lived up too. Not that he knows me, but I expect him to do just what every other player on our team has done. Stepped In and Stepped up.

I like the Next Man up mentality this team has exhibited many times over. It is infectious, I believe that he too has been infected, and will perform above expectations. This will only make the story sweeter once we have made it.

Vinny
11-15-2011, 04:01 PM
Do you think that had anything to do with him playing with the 2nd team? And if you are talking about when he was playing with the 1st team, don't you think that is too small of a sample size to judge?

I'm not doubting that he was making poor reads and/or still will make poor reads.not finding the open guy is on him I'd assume. It was a no practice preseason though. I'm looking forward to seeing Leinart to tell the truth.

Schaub has been very average all year, but I think he may have been injured for a while. John McClain said that Leinart and Schaub were splitting snaps earlier before this injury (interview below). McClain said Leinart was taking HALF the reps with the first team for an entire month. First I've heard of this. BTW, Schaub's contract ends this season...he is a UFA at the end of the year.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/15/pft-live-can-leinart-keep-texans-on-top/

thanks to feebleminded for giving me the heads up on this

ChrisG
11-15-2011, 04:02 PM
Good read.

I've been having these awesome visions of Leinart becoming the top ten pick he was drafted as and flourishing in our system.

I actually think he has a chance to be really good in our system...especially if he can get a little confidence...

I would love for him to play good and show promise. Im not expecting a verteran skill level. Just show some promise and maybe give schaub some competition in a few years.

The Pencil Neck
11-15-2011, 04:25 PM
Good read.

I've been having these awesome visions of Leinart becoming the top ten pick he was drafted as and flourishing in our system.

I actually think he has a chance to be really good in our system...especially if he can get a little confidence...

I have to admit that the idea has been nibbling at the edge of my mind, too.

Maybe he just needed some time to sit and reflect and get his head screwed on right.

Vinny
11-15-2011, 04:29 PM
I have to admit that the idea has been nibbling at the edge of my mind, too.

Maybe he just needed some time to sit and reflect and get his head screwed on right.
Schaub's contract is up at the EOY....would make an interesting situation.

The Pencil Neck
11-15-2011, 04:32 PM
Schaub's contract is up at the EOY....would make an interesting situation.

Yeah, do you re-sign the guy who's led the league in passing and played well for you for years or do you go with the guy who won a Super Bowl for you.

Decisions, decisions...

:cow:

michaelm
11-15-2011, 04:34 PM
Yeah, do you re-sign the guy who's led the league in passing and played well for you for years or do you go with the guy who won a Super Bowl for you.

Decisions, decisions...

:cow:

I bet that cow makes a sweet little milk shake.

Texans_Chick
11-15-2011, 04:42 PM
He was making poor reads in the preseason from what I could gather. He has all the tools, but we'll see what he can do with them now.

Yeah, Kubiak scaled back what he was asking him to do from the Saints game to the 49ers game and he played better. Also oline issues.

As y'all may recall, he was playing behind a garbage line due to a lot of injuries--guys who were backup backups, never really played much together. Pass rush was in his kitchen quickly. I was afraid he was going to get killed.

redwhiteANDblue
11-15-2011, 04:52 PM
I don't get it when people say he has all the tools. He has poor arm strength and on top of that he's a lefty. Not too many of the good qb in the nfl are lefty's. We just have to hope his decision making had gotten better. In Kubiaks system there's always a place where the ball can go. Especially since we have a dominate running game it should be even more open for Lienart to throw to hopefully. So I'm not expecting an Aaron Rodgers performance, just a couple of dinks and dunks that grab 6 to 7 yards a completions.

Porky
11-15-2011, 04:53 PM
I don't think this ends well - but I hope like hell I am wrong.

What he might have better than Schaub? A slightly better arm, and slightly better mobility (damning with faint praise). Might be a harder "take down" by a rusher as he is built better and is a bit more athletic. I like his release point a bit better - more overhanded than Matt S more sidearmed delivery - so potentially fewer batter balls.

Worse? To me, mentally Matt S is light years ahead of Matt L. Leinart never really seems to know where he is going with the ball, and the guy has to be wide open or he won't throw it....making him a statue back there. You think Schaub holds the ball too long...just wait! He is indesive as hell. Sacks are fixing to go up - way up imo. He also seems to rarely test the secondary deep, or even in the medium range. How many balls has he thrown here beyond 10-15 yards...and that is pushing it. It's ALL dink and dunk.

His accuracy is lousy. Schaub has been medicore this year in his accuracy, probably his worst year - but Leinert would be extremely lucky to be anywhere near as accurate as Schaub at his worst. Not exactly what you are looking for.

He has a long windup and a very slow release. He is so indecisve I don't see where it matters about his better arm slot and he just has this long wind up like he is Nolan Ryan. Interceptions are fixing to go way up, leading to higher scores by the opposition as the D will be put into way more bad spots due to turnovers and increased punting.

Schaub has total command of the offense and just has it together between his ears. When the ball is snapped, Schaub knows exactly where he wants to go, goes thru his progressions, "Generally" doesn't make bone-headed throws (yes he makes some like all QB's not named the top 3) has learned to protect the ball better, and is willing to throw it into the cheap seats instead of throwing a pick. Leinart as a QB is just dumb. Sorry, he is. Might be a smart person, but his football/QB IQ is borderline retarded.

If I was a student assigned a homework assignment to draw up the charastericstics of a great QB, and I turned in Schaub and Leinart as my report to turn in, I would get a B turning in my Schaub homework, and a D+ turning in my Leinart homework.

I wish I could be more postive. I'm trying hard. But I just don't see it myself. If the Texans are to go anywhere, Leinart has to be our Trent Dilfer - in other words, just get out of the way and don't screw up and make things worse. If he does that, we have a fighting chance. If he is a screw-up, we have zero chance of doing anything.

ATXtexanfan
11-15-2011, 05:04 PM
Schaub's contract is up at the EOY....would make an interesting situation.

schaub's deal is up but leinart resigned for two years? the plot thickens

phantom17
11-15-2011, 05:26 PM
I don't think this ends well - but I hope like hell I am wrong.

What he might have better than Schaub? A slightly better arm, and slightly better mobility (damning with faint praise). Might be a harder "take down" by a rusher as he is built better and is a bit more athletic. I like his release point a bit better - more overhanded than Matt S more sidearmed delivery - so potentially fewer batter balls.

Worse? To me, mentally Matt S is light years ahead of Matt L. Leinart never really seems to know where he is going with the ball, and the guy has to be wide open or he won't throw it....making him a statue back there. You think Schaub holds the ball too long...just wait! He is indesive as hell. Sacks are fixing to go up - way up imo. He also seems to rarely test the secondary deep, or even in the medium range. How many balls has he thrown here beyond 10-15 yards...and that is pushing it. It's ALL dink and dunk.

His accuracy is lousy. Schaub has been medicore this year in his accuracy, probably his worst year - but Leinert would be extremely lucky to be anywhere near as accurate as Schaub at his worst. Not exactly what you are looking for.

He has a long windup and a very slow release. He is so indecisve I don't see where it matters about his better arm slot and he just has this long wind up like he is Nolan Ryan. Interceptions are fixing to go way up, leading to higher scores by the opposition as the D will be put into way more bad spots due to turnovers and increased punting.

Schaub has total command of the offense and just has it together between his ears. When the ball is snapped, Schaub knows exactly where he wants to go, goes thru his progressions, "Generally" doesn't make bone-headed throws (yes he makes some like all QB's not named the top 3) has learned to protect the ball better, and is willing to throw it into the cheap seats instead of throwing a pick. Leinart as a QB is just dumb. Sorry, he is. Might be a smart person, but his football/QB IQ is borderline retarded.

If I was a student assigned a homework assignment to draw up the charastericstics of a great QB, and I turned in Schaub and Leinart as my report to turn in, I would get a B turning in my Schaub homework, and a D+ turning in my Leinart homework.

I wish I could be more postive. I'm trying hard. But I just don't see it myself. If the Texans are to go anywhere, Leinart has to be our Trent Dilfer - in other words, just get out of the way and don't screw up and make things worse. If he does that, we have a fighting chance. If he is a screw-up, we have zero chance of doing anything.


With some of the Kool-aid response from some media & fans that Matt L. will be just fine! I have to agree with you Porky, & I, too hope to be wrong! I really hope/wish that Matt L. WILL suceed & maybe become the next Texan QB of the future. I'm just glad with have a bye & hoping Andre will be back!!!

TimeKiller
11-15-2011, 06:12 PM
I think he's probably better than most backups and maybe a few low end starters. I'm completely bummed about losing Schaub and most likely the high end expectations with him....but Leinart is a good 2nd option. I wouldn't say I'm eager to see how he does, I'm not a Schaub hater by any means, he's my QB :tear: but I'm a little curious. Kind of like opening Pandora's box. Steve Young 2.0 might fly out. Lefty David Carr might fly out.

EVOLVIST
11-15-2011, 06:14 PM
Arizona Matt----> Immature. Party life. Broken collar bone. Kurt Warner

Houston Matt -----> Humbled, matured, and decided to sign as a back-up here as opposed to starting in Seatle with Pete Carroll, so that he could continue to develop with Kubiak's system.

I like Matt's chances.

*EDIT*

I'm not suggesting that he will be the second coming of Johnny Unitas, but he won't be Johnny Utah, either.

...And Johnny Unitas came in for the "backup," Earl Morrall, in Super Bowl III and couldn't sneak one past the Jets.

...And Gary Kubiak started for an injured John Elway on October 23rd, 1988, against the Steelers. Gary went 15-27, 157 yards, 2 TDs and 3 INTs in a loss.

Maybe the ultimate backup is now the ultimate starter in the NFL. :evil:

Thorn
11-15-2011, 06:15 PM
Kind of like opening Pandora's box. Steve Young 2.0 might fly out. Lefty David Carr might fly out.

And that's the thing, something we should all realize, that no one, not Leinart, Kubiak, TV announcers or any poster here knows what's going to happen when we play Jacksonville.

Wolf
11-15-2011, 06:30 PM
Leinart in position to succeed as Texans starting quarterback

The Texans were just starting to create a buzz as the top team in the AFC until a foot injury sidelined Matt Schaub for the remainder of the season and thrust Matt Leinart into the starting role.

Although the team has overcome the loss of its top defensive player (Mario Williams) and dealt with the extended absence of its top offensive threat (Andre Johnson), the thought of a former first-round flop guiding the Texans the rest of the way has some forecasting gloom and doom.

However, I'm convinced that Leinart is capable of getting it done in Houston. Here are a few reasons why:
Running game can carry the day
As much as Matt Schaub contributed to the Texans' offense with his efficient passing, it is the running game that is the foundation to their offensive attack. Houston ranks third in rushing offense behind the dynamic tandem of Arian Foster and Ben Tate. Both players are ranked among the top rushers in the league -- Foster ranks sixth with an average of 92.5 yards per game and Tate's 76.2 average places him 12th -- while spearheading a unit that churns out 158.1 yards a contest.

Foster, who has three 100-yard performances in the past four games, is a crafty runner with quickness and burst. Although he doesn't possess a style that wears down or grinds opponents, he routinely breaks tackles at the point of attack and has the ability to move the chains in an understated manner.

Tate, who has four 100-yard games this season, is a rugged runner with nifty feet. Though he lacks the speed to take it the distance, his elusiveness and wiggle make him a threat to routinely break off big runs in the Texans' zone-based scheme.

With Foster and Tate starting to find their groove as runners, the Texans have shown a greater commitment to the run in recent weeks. Houston has averaged 42.5 rushing attempts during their four-game winning streak, which is up significantly from their league leading average of 35.7 attempts. The increased production on the ground has reduced the pressure on the passing game, and allowed Matt Schaub to thrive under center.

Given Leinart's limited experience and lack of success, there is no reason to believe the Texans will alter their game plan in the coming weeks.


Offensive line will buy Leinart time





Texans run a QB-friendly system

A lot has been made of Leinart's struggles in the Cardinals' wide-open offense, but the system was never a great fit for his skills. He thrived in a West Coast-like system at USC that featured a mix of movement passes (bootlegs), quick-rhythm strikes and play-action throws. He efficiently orchestrated the attack by picking apart defenses with an array of short and intermediate throws.

In Houston, he is playing in a scheme that closely mirrors that system. The Texans extensively use bootleg passes to complement their potent zone-based running game. They are known to use the same route concepts from multiple formations with similar backfield action to take advantage of overaggressive defenders. The complementary play-action or movement routinely leads to open receivers and easy throws for the quarterback. When looking at the Texans' most explosive plays on tape, it is amazing how many of those plays come off bootleg action. With Leinart comfortable executing those concepts, the big play element could remain an integral part of their game plan.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82428040/article/leinart-in-position-to-succeed-as-texans-starting-quarterback

Wolf
11-15-2011, 06:32 PM
"Your time's going to come, and you've got to be accountable for when that opportunity comes," Leinart said Monday, after news of Schaub's injury was released. "They know that I work hard and I study hard and I'm prepared very well. We're going to take this and go game-by-game, and I don't think much is going to change."

Leinart has been named the starter when the Texans return from their bye week to face the Jacksonville Jaguars in Week 12. He talked openly during training camp about earning another starting job in the NFL, and now he has that chance -- at least temporarily -- just not under the circumstances he wanted.

"I'm bummed. My heart goes out for (Schaub)," Leinart said. "But he knows and everyone knows that in this profession, things happen, and the next guy has to step up. That's my job and my responsibility.

"That's what I've wanted for a long time, and that's what I've worked hard for every day and prepared for every day," Leinart added. "It's a great opportunity. I'm just excited about the chance."

Texans coach Gary Kubiak has been increasing Leinart's repetitions in practices, and he's confident the quarterback is ready to replace Schaub to lead an offense that ranks eighth in total offense this season.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824209e3/article/leinart-named-texans-qb-after-bye-with-schaub-ailing

mussop
11-15-2011, 06:34 PM
It's obvious what is going to happen. Matt is going to play lights out and take us to the AFC championship game where he will suffer a career ending injury while throwing the winning TD to AJ. Yates will start in the SB and we will loose by a last second field goal.

Norg
11-15-2011, 06:34 PM
i dont think no one knows .... i guess we will find out when he plays the jags

DocBar
11-15-2011, 07:00 PM
Good read.

I've been having these awesome visions of Leinart becoming the top ten pick he was drafted as and flourishing in our system.

I actually think he has a chance to be really good in our system...especially if he can get a little confidence...

I have to admit that the idea has been nibbling at the edge of my mind, too.

Maybe he just needed some time to sit and reflect and get his head screwed on right.When you add all the positives: dominant running game, top defense in the league, good to great OL, this could be the perfect storm for Leinart. The only negative could be Leinart, himself. If that's the case, a lot of people have a very favorable opinion of Yates.

With the Texans having a bye this week, this is as good of timing as one could hope for. It also doesn't hurt that we play Jax after the bye. They have a very decent D, but we have a dominant D that will be looking to make a statement with Schaub out for the rest of the year. Their O would have a damned hard time beating a top 5 BCS D this year.

With Atlanta, Cincy and the tAcks as our stoutest competition the rest of the season, we could be anywhere from 10-6 to 13-3 at the end of the season. I have us at 11-5 and not too sure where our 2 losses come from. I hionestly think one of them will be a let down game, probably to Carolina. No way the tAcks beat us to end the season, though...unless we've already clinched the #1-2 seed in the AFC and rest starters.

Vinny
11-15-2011, 07:08 PM
I don't get it when people say he has all the tools. He has poor arm strength and on top of that he's a lefty. Not too many of the good qb in the nfl are lefty's. We just have to hope his decision making had gotten better. In Kubiaks system there's always a place where the ball can go. Especially since we have a dominate running game it should be even more open for Lienart to throw to hopefully. So I'm not expecting an Aaron Rodgers performance, just a couple of dinks and dunks that grab 6 to 7 yards a completions.kinda like the general public huh? Mostly right handed peoples. Dude was a top 10 pick too...most people thought he had enough tools in the NFL so go figure.

Rey
11-15-2011, 07:15 PM
When you add all the positives: dominant running game, top defense in the league, good to great OL, this could be the perfect storm for Leinart. The only negative could be Leinart, himself. If that's the case, a lot of people have a very favorable opinion of Yates.

With the Texans having a bye this week, this is as good of timing as one could hope for. It also doesn't hurt that we play Jax after the bye. They have a very decent D, but we have a dominant D that will be looking to make a statement with Schaub out for the rest of the year. Their O would have a damned hard time beating a top 5 BCS D this year.

With Atlanta, Cincy and the tAcks as our stoutest competition the rest of the season, we could be anywhere from 10-6 to 13-3 at the end of the season. I have us at 11-5 and not too sure where our 2 losses come from. I hionestly think one of them will be a let down game, probably to Carolina. No way the tAcks beat us to end the season, though...unless we've already clinched the #1-2 seed in the AFC and rest starters.

Situation couldn't have been better for Leinart. All the things you mentioned plus dre coming back AND the best two d's we will likely face have lost their top corners. Hall and Mathis out.

The stars have aligned for time machine. . .he just needs to capitalize.

TexansFanatic
11-15-2011, 07:23 PM
Thanks for posting that link, op. Great read and great thread here.

Let's see if the playboy can play, boy! :cool:

DocBar
11-15-2011, 07:29 PM
Situation couldn't have been better for Leinart. All the things you mentioned plus dre coming back AND the best two d's we will likely face have lost their top corners. Hall and Mathis out.

The stars have aligned for time machine. . .he just needs to capitalize.As of right now, I'd rather leave the time machine out of it. I want a QB that has had a taste of the NFL and what it takes to succeed at this level. Hopefully, Kubes and Co. will give him all the tools to be successful at the NFL level and Leinart can add that to his resume and move on from college glory days to NFL glory days. I'm really looking forward to his mobility adding an extra dimension when teams stuff us on early downs. This should be a definite asset as lomg as he doesn't Rosencopter.

TexCanada
11-15-2011, 07:32 PM
He has poor arm strength and on top of that he's a lefty. Not too many of the good qb in the nfl are lefty's.

I really don't understand why anybody cares about this? The team has been practicing with him for 2 seasons now, and if he fails it won't be because of what hand he throws the ball with.



Worse? To me, mentally Matt S is light years ahead of Matt L. Leinart never really seems to know where he is going with the ball, and the guy has to be wide open or he won't throw it....making him a statue back there. You think Schaub holds the ball too long...just wait! He is indesive as hell. Sacks are fixing to go up - way up imo. He also seems to rarely test the secondary deep, or even in the medium range. How many balls has he thrown here beyond 10-15 yards...and that is pushing it. It's ALL dink and dunk.

His accuracy is lousy. Schaub has been medicore this year in his accuracy, probably his worst year - but Leinert would be extremely lucky to be anywhere near as accurate as Schaub at his worst. Not exactly what you are looking for.


I can understand looking at his mechanics, but how can you make assumptions about his decision making? We haven't even seen the guy play in this system, and Kubiak will give him the least amount of decisions possible.

utahmark
11-15-2011, 07:36 PM
kinda like the general public huh? Mostly right handed peoples. Dude was a top 10 pick too...most people thought he had enough tools in the NFL so go figure.

exactly, Not like baseball where being a lefty is beneficial.

HJam72
11-15-2011, 07:38 PM
Oh, please.

All we gotta do is teach him to throw right-handed by Sunday after next. :kubepalm:

kingh99
11-15-2011, 07:38 PM
Good article. Whisenhunt is a putz and has done nothing since Warner left. Kubiak has a record of developing talent to some degree. And he's a proven offensive mind. Whisenhunt is a lucky joker who rode Warner and Fitzgeralds coattails for a season.

Hervoyel
11-15-2011, 07:43 PM
Yeah, do you re-sign the guy who's led the league in passing and played well for you for years or do you go with the guy who won a Super Bowl for you.

Decisions, decisions...

:cow:


That's a problem I'd like to see us have to deal with.

mariowillshine15
11-15-2011, 08:29 PM
Yeah, do you re-sign the guy who's led the league in passing and played well for you for years or do you go with the guy who won a Super Bowl for you.

Decisions, decisions...

:cow:


Tom Brady's greatness wasn't unleashed until Bledsoe got hurt.

It could happen!:koolaid:

HJam72
11-15-2011, 09:40 PM
:koolaid: We might need some kind of hot-tub smilie similar to the Kool-Aid one.

ChampionTexan
11-15-2011, 10:16 PM
BTW, Schaub's contract ends this season...he is a UFA at the end of the year.


Schaub's contract is up at the EOY....would make an interesting situation.

scaub's deal is up but leinart resigned for two years? the plot thickens

Vinny, I believe you're off by a year on Schaub's contract - it runs through the end of the 2012 season. The original deal was a 6 year deal done before the 2007 season with a $10 Million option payment that the Texans picked up before the 2010 season.

Matt Schaub Contract (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/matt-schaub/)

TexansFanatic
11-15-2011, 11:08 PM
Vinny, I believe you're off by a year on Schaub's contract - it runs through the end of the 2012 season. The original deal was a 6 year deal done before the 2007 season with a $10 Million option payment that the Texans picked up before the 2010 season.

Matt Schaub Contract (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/matt-schaub/)

Yep, Rotoworld says the same thing. He's a UFA at the end of the 2012 season.

Vinny
11-16-2011, 12:33 AM
Vinny, I believe you're off by a year on Schaub's contract - it runs through the end of the 2012 season. The original deal was a 6 year deal done before the 2007 season with a $10 Million option payment that the Texans picked up before the 2010 season.

Matt Schaub Contract (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/matt-schaub/)
yeah, I seemed to have lost a year somewhere. Just call me Vinny van Winkle...that and apparently, I can't math (http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/673630e7-a556-439b-bf45-f6724b60dffc.jpg).

Showtime100
11-16-2011, 05:22 AM
Tom Brady's greatness wasn't unleashed until Bledsoe got hurt.

It could happen!:koolaid:

It could happen. Reminds me of that scene in Apollo 13 where the NASA Director surmises it'll be NASA's worst disaster and Krantz, with the same information, figures it will be "our finest hour." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOkAyUmyQko)

I think that scene looks a lot like the conversations on this board right now (and understandably so).

yeah, I seemed to have lost a year somewhere. Just call me Vinny van Winkle...that and apparently, I can't math (http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/673630e7-a556-439b-bf45-f6724b60dffc.jpg).

Naa, the year you went on board sabbatical is what got you, that's all. :tiphat:

speedfreek
11-16-2011, 06:31 AM
his old college coach wouldn't take a flyer on him -- that's all I need to know..

TJ

Rey
11-16-2011, 06:46 AM
his old college coach wouldn't take a flyer on him -- that's all I need to know..

TJ

Instead he hitched his wagon to tav Jackson.

Obviously a great decision.

TexansBull
11-16-2011, 09:37 AM
his old college coach wouldn't take a flyer on him -- that's all I need to know..

TJ

It was the opposite. Leinart was going to sign and at the last moment backed out. That's the way I understood it.

ChampionTexan
11-16-2011, 09:39 AM
his old college coach wouldn't take a flyer on him -- that's all I need to know..

TJ

Not exactly (but nice attempt to spin it that way). It doesn't appear Carroll was the decision-maker regarding Leinart not joining the Seahawks.

In a prime example of how free-agency moves this week are not etched in stone, quarterback Matt Leinart has decided not to rejoin Pete Carroll in Seattle — a deal that couldn't be signed until Friday — and instead will stay with the Houston Texans.

According to individuals with knowledge of the negotiations, Leinart had agreed to terms with the Seahawks on Tuesday and intended to be reunited with Carroll, his coach at USC, believing his only quarterback competition would have been Charlie Whitehurst.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/27/sports/la-sp-matt-leinart-20110728

BigBull17
11-16-2011, 09:50 AM
I don't get it when people say he has all the tools. He has poor arm strength and on top of that he's a lefty. Not too many of the good qb in the nfl are lefty's. We just have to hope his decision making had gotten better. In Kubiaks system there's always a place where the ball can go. Especially since we have a dominate running game it should be even more open for Lienart to throw to hopefully. So I'm not expecting an Aaron Rodgers performance, just a couple of dinks and dunks that grab 6 to 7 yards a completions.

Nice analyisis. I always think of a QB's dominant hand...People put too much into the "Lefties don't succeed as much" garbage. The stats are skewed because there isn't a whole lot of them. Oh, and Schaub isn't exactly a Howitzer back there...

TheCD
11-16-2011, 10:04 AM
Nice analyisis. I always think of a QB's dominant hand...People put too much into the "Lefties don't succeed as much" garbage. The stats are skewed because there isn't a whole lot of them. Oh, and Schaub isn't exactly a Howitzer back there...

Hey now...I'm a lefty too but facts are facts. It's the same reason why you don't see successful ginger QBs. Predetermined genetic factors that exclude them from being top NFL athletes...:sarcasm:

Hervoyel
11-16-2011, 11:47 AM
Hey now...I'm a lefty too but facts are facts. It's the same reason why you don't see successful ginger QBs. Predetermined genetic factors that exclude them from being top NFL athletes...:sarcasm:

Everyone knows that gingers don't succeed in the NFL because gingers don't have souls. http://i8.glitter-graphics.org/pub/394/394218bxny8biccy.gif

b0ng
11-16-2011, 11:54 AM
That whole article could be summed up with Ken Whisenhunt is a bad evaluator of QB talent.

Rey
11-16-2011, 12:16 PM
Not exactly (but nice attempt to spin it that way). It doesn't appear Carroll was the decision-maker regarding Leinart not joining the Seahawks.



http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/27/sports/la-sp-matt-leinart-20110728

I wonder if some people got in Leinarts ear and convinced him that this was a better situation for him...

I wonder if anyone from the Team like Smith or Kubiak called him and sold him on staying...

JamesBill
11-16-2011, 01:36 PM
When did he wear #9?

b0ng
11-16-2011, 01:52 PM
when did he wear #9?

2010.

thunderkyss
11-16-2011, 08:07 PM
:koolaid: We might need some kind of hot-tub smilie similar to the Kool-Aid one.

Second

drs23
11-16-2011, 08:34 PM
his old college coach wouldn't take a flyer on him -- that's all I need to know..

TJ

Felix Unger. Buy a clue perhaps?

FirstTexansFan
11-16-2011, 09:58 PM
Felix Unger. Buy a clue perhaps?

MSR... as if I wouldn't catch that? LOL

jtexas
11-16-2011, 10:35 PM
He was making poor reads in the preseason from what I could gather. He has all the tools, but we'll see what he can do with them now.

It may sound simplistic, but i don't think he won't have to go through multiple progressions. This offense may be complicated by formation types and number of plays, but the first read seems to be wide open or else Foster gets the dump.

My main concern with Leinart is actually overconfidence which will lead to him forcing throws later in the game.

TexansBull
11-17-2011, 07:55 AM
It may sound simplistic, but i don't think he won't have to go through multiple progressions. This offense may be complicated by formation types and number of plays, but the first read seems to be wide open or else Foster gets the dump.

My main concern with Leinart is actually overconfidence which will lead to him forcing throws later in the game.

I fear the opposite - that he doesn't have enough confidence. I hope he doesn't have a "Brad Lidge" syndrom from what happened in Arizona.

You look at Seattle and he pulled back from the contract after he heard that Tavaris Jackson was going there. He knew the offensive coordinator was from Minnesota and didn't want to get caught up in a qb controversy. He wants to start, but it seems he wants to go into a situation that there will not be a qb controversy or he could get benched over favortism/ personality clashes instead of actual performance.

Rey
11-17-2011, 08:21 AM
I fear the opposite - that he doesn't have enough confidence. I hope he doesn't have a "Brad Lidge" syndrom from what happened in Arizona.

You look at Seattle and he pulled back from the contract after he heard that Tavaris Jackson was going there. He knew the offensive coordinator was from Minnesota and didn't want to get caught up in a qb controversy. He wants to start, but it seems he wants to go into a situation that there will not be a qb controversy or he could get benched over favortism/ personality clashes instead of actual performance.

I think that Leinart coming back to Houston may have showed a sign of maturity. I can't see anyone being afraid to compete against Tavaris Jackson for a spot. Even if the offensive coord from Minny was on board, the head coach was Leinarts coach in college. The head coach and the QB are almost like father and son on most teams.

Hervoyel
11-17-2011, 10:16 AM
I think that Leinart coming back to Houston may have showed a sign of maturity. I can't see anyone being afraid to compete against Tavaris Jackson for a spot. Even if the offensive coord from Minny was on board, the head coach was Leinarts coach in college. The head coach and the QB are almost like father and son on most teams.


Indeed. I think Leinart has matured. At the same time I don't think anyone should be in a hurry to throw out the "internet gold" that is his checkered past. You throw this guys name in Google and click on "Images" and you've got a veritable cornucopia of stuff to work with.

He's going to have the best running game in the league, the best defense in the league, and the best WR in the league (in my humble opinion). I think the only thing he's missing right now is a really good nickname. "Lionheart" is just retarded. "Matty Hot Tub" just makes him another one of the many "Matty's" out there. He isn't just another Matty!

Sure, he's had to "grow up" and clean up his image to fit into the more family friendly NFL but to be honest after David "I'm a family man first" Carr and now Matt "Gomer" Schaub I'm looking at Leinart as maybe the most interesting QB this franchise has ever signed. He's like our version of Kenny Stabler.

I'm calling him "Time Machine" from now on. I don't know why. It has that hot tub connection and it just seems to work.

I need to crank out a sig pic for that. So many possibilities.....

jtexas
11-17-2011, 10:34 AM
I fear the opposite - that he doesn't have enough confidence. I hope he doesn't have a "Brad Lidge" syndrom from what happened in Arizona.

You look at Seattle and he pulled back from the contract after he heard that Tavaris Jackson was going there. He knew the offensive coordinator was from Minnesota and didn't want to get caught up in a qb controversy. He wants to start, but it seems he wants to go into a situation that there will not be a qb controversy or he could get benched over favortism/ personality clashes instead of actual performance.

I agree. Seattle would have been an Arizona part II.

I don't think his issues in Arizona were about skill either. Similar to Tim Tebow, a new coaching staff came in after Dennis Green picked him. Ken Whisenhunt immediately clashed with Leinarts attitude of being the starter after Whisenhunt himself was drafted late and had to grind to the top. Whisenhunt has never developed a successful young qb and has run through them like a train wreck. Matt Leinart, Derek Anderson, Max Hall, John Skelton and Kevin Kolb. I don't trust his evaluation of talent or coaching ability.

welsh texan
11-17-2011, 12:38 PM
I think that Leinart coming back to Houston may have showed a sign of maturity. I can't see anyone being afraid to compete against Tavaris Jackson for a spot. Even if the offensive coord from Minny was on board, the head coach was Leinarts coach in college. The head coach and the QB are almost like father and son on most teams.

I see this being a great opportunity for him, and just what he's been waiting for. (Although I'm sure no pro would enjoy the way his chance has come about, I'm sure that possibility was why he wanted to be here)

I've posted before about how I don't see anyone outside of Dre in our entire offense who isn't a product of the system to some extent or another. OD, Arian, Tate, Brown, Myers, all great fits for the system, but certainly benefitting from that when they start putting up top notch numbers.

Schaub is the same, and I honestly don't see that much difference in terms of natural ability between the two Matts.

Schaub has a good number of years running this O, he has the players tuned into him, and he had a far 'nicer' entrance into the league. Apart from those points, I don't see a lot of problems for Leinart.

So its just on Matty L to overcome those, I'm looking for him to step in and lead this team as if he was the QB all the time, we saw Schaub do that from day 1 when he came in here and it was a big factor in his early success, imho.

Hope I'm right.

TexansBull
11-17-2011, 01:35 PM
I think that Leinart coming back to Houston may have showed a sign of maturity. I can't see anyone being afraid to compete against Tavaris Jackson for a spot. Even if the offensive coord from Minny was on board, the head coach was Leinarts coach in college. The head coach and the QB are almost like father and son on most teams.

I wasn't calling his maturity into question. I was calling his confidence when playing in the game into question.

By pulling out of Seattle it could have been he has been there, done that, got that medal and didn't feel like going down that road again. Not because he was afraid of competition but because the team in afterthought looked weak and he wanted to go into a better situation talent wise and coaching.

And I know you have more football experience than I and can talk more intelligently on the subject, but the NFL is a business. Old relationships go out the window, sort of like Lendale White after he failed a drug test in Seattle. And I agree Matt showed that awareness and maturity but not signing in Seattle.

I am a Leinart supporter. I want him to be Lights Out good. But noone can say they know how good or bad he is going to be because he hasn't played a down for a couple of years. You can google all you want, but we are going to have to give him a few games to get adjusted. Just my 2 cents.

Thorn
11-17-2011, 02:07 PM
I am a Leinart supporter. I want him to be Lights Out good. But noone can say they know how good or bad he is going to be because he hasn't played a down for a couple of years. You can google all you want, but we are going to have to give him a few games to get adjusted. Just my 2 cents.

A good 2 cents worth I will say. Nothing we can really do now except wait, and hate Fat Albert.

I swear Fat Albert did that on purpose. The basterd.

Rey
11-17-2011, 02:12 PM
I wasn't calling his maturity into question. I was calling his confidence when playing in the game into question.

I understand that.

What I was saying was that him pulling out of seattle may not have been because of a lack of confidence but rather a growth in Maturity.

Vinny
11-18-2011, 02:20 AM
I understand that.

What I was saying was that him pulling out of seattle may not have been because of a lack of confidence but rather a growth in Maturity.
either that or our strip clubs...just sayin'