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JamesBill
11-15-2011, 04:46 AM
I believe Schaub is a great fit here, even more so with our new found defense, dual threat backfield, and a FB that can catch. I think he is very good to great when healthy.

The reality though, he is injury prone and brittle. He has been battlefighting a hip and shoulder injury all year which is why his throws have been off. Dude is not built to last, and now he will be even slower and less athletic with a stump foot.

No matter what you believe about his ability, he is on the wrong side of 30 and has missed 5 or more games in 3 out of his 5 years as a starter. Individually they seem like freak injuries, but it is now the rule rather than the exception.

aussie_texan
11-15-2011, 05:21 AM
can't believe there is a thread on this.
That injury prone bulls**t was used a few years ago and that was because he coped some cheap shots in the back field. yeah he battles injuries through the year but u find me a player in the NFL who doesn't.
Schaub is not injury prone. his taken a lot of big hits and he gets up and gets on with it!

HJam72
11-15-2011, 05:24 AM
The one who's injury prone is Williams.

DeMarCushPoll
11-15-2011, 05:42 AM
I believe Schaub is a great fit here, even more so with our new found defense, dual threat backfield, and a FB that can catch. I think he is very good to great when healthy.

The reality though, he is injury prone and brittle. He has been battlefighting a hip and shoulder injury all year which is why his throws have been off. Dude is not built to last, and now he will be even slower and less athletic with a stump foot.

No matter what you believe about his ability, he is on the wrong side of 30 and has missed 5 or more games in 3 out of his 5 years as a starter. Individually they seem like freak injuries, but it is now the rule rather than the exception.

How bout you let fat-ass haynesworthless roll on the back of your ankle and see how tough you are? This thread is stupid, he hasn't missed a game in three years. Moving on.

Lucky
11-15-2011, 06:27 AM
...and now he will be even slower and less athletic with a stump foot.
I really don't think it's possible for Schaub to be slower or less athletic. I'm still not sure why they can't stick a couple of pins in his foot and send him back out there for the playoffs.

Texanfan4ever
11-15-2011, 06:37 AM
This thread Shld be deleted! It is just ignorant to say that! They all get hurt! He has played thru it all! I can promise u that the one that is the most upset abt this is Matt! This is his team and his year! Layoff! Mods can u lock this thread! We do not need this!

SheTexan
11-15-2011, 06:43 AM
this thread shld be deleted! It is just ignorant to say that! They all get hurt! He has played thru it all! I can promise u that the one that is the most upset abt this is matt! This is his team and his year! Layoff! Mods can u lock this thread! We do not need this!


^^^^^^^^^^ this!!!!

Lucky
11-15-2011, 06:44 AM
Mods can u lock this thread! We do not need this!
This topic will continue to be discussed. Locking threads won't stop that. Schaub has missed "significant" time in 3 of his 5 seasons in Houston. Injury prone? No, there are good reasons why Schaub has gone down. Brittle? Well, he ain't Brett Favre. But, you're right in that Matt has played through some injuries. Call me crazy, but I haven't given up hope that Schaub returns for the playoffs.

Seņor Stan
11-15-2011, 07:35 AM
What a craptastic thread.

Where is your Andre Johnson - Injury Prone thread?

GlassHalfFull
11-15-2011, 07:50 AM
This is one of those threads where I hope to god the players don't waste their time on these boards.

I guess it serves the purpose of letting posters expose themselves.

HJam72
11-15-2011, 07:53 AM
This is one of those threads where I hope to god the players don't waste their time on these boards.

I guess it serves the purpose of letting posters expose themselves.

No, I only do that on the dating sites. :tiphat:

IDEXAN
11-15-2011, 07:56 AM
The Texans are no strangers to this injury. Earlier this season Dom Barber was lost for the season with a lisfranc fracture. Mike Brisiel missed most of the 2009 season with a similar injury as did Texans safety Glenn Earl in 2007.
http://www.examiner.com/houston-texans-in-houston/next-man-up-being-tested-to-the-limit-by-texans?CID=examiner_alerts_article
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In this article in the Houston Texan Examiner by Alan Burge, turns out Matts injury is nothing new for the Texans.
Good news here is that while I remember the problems Brisiel had and that he was out most of that year, I guess he's totally recoverd now and is playing better than ever these days.

Kthx
11-15-2011, 07:58 AM
JamesBill's ego: Injury Prone.

Find out after thread is locked.

speedfreek
11-15-2011, 08:30 AM
If you're actually being honest, you'd have to say that schaub is getting old, brittle, and his skills are fading (nothing like he was last year in terms of accuracy).

We might get another 2 years from him, but still need to keep drafting QB's to groom in his stead..

TJ

dinkatoid
11-15-2011, 08:44 AM
I do not think Schaub is injury prone at all. I fully believe the problem is he has balls of steel. Schaub will stand in the pocket when anyone in their right mind would have ran by then and throw a pass as he takes a huge shot.

For example, if you watched the game last night, pay attention to Rodgers in the pocket. He has a great sense of when it is coming, and when he needs to move. It is not that Schaub does not know this, it is that he is not very mobile and knows his only hope is to stand in there and deliver. There have been people (I think it was profootball focus' rankings, but might have been elsewhere - it has been awhile) who have started to notice this too. I really believe Schaub takes some of the hardest hits you will see a QB take.

IlliniJen
11-15-2011, 08:45 AM
This thread needs to die in a fire.

GlassHalfFull
11-15-2011, 08:59 AM
If you're actually being honest, you'd have to say that schaub is getting old, brittle, and his skills are fading (nothing like he was last year in terms of accuracy).

We might get another 2 years from him, but still need to keep drafting QB's to groom in his stead..

TJ

If I was being honest, I would call you an *****. but the forum code won't let me.

Season Team G GS Comp Att Pct. Yds Avg TD Int Sck Sck Yrds Rate
2007 Texans 11 11 192 289 66.4 2,241 7.8 9 9 16 126 87.2
2008 Texans 11 11 251 380 66.1 3,043 8.0 15 10 23 149 92.7
2009 Texans 16 16 396 583 67.9 4,770 8.2 29 15 25 149 98.6
2010 Texans 16 16 365 574 63.6 4,370 7.6 24 12 32 226 92.0




He is 30 years old, not at all old for a qb. Check out his starts for yourself.

Mr. White
11-15-2011, 09:12 AM
2 years ago, I would have been on board with this thread. I was as critical of his ability to stay healthy as anyone. The fact of the matter now is that he hasn't missed a game since the 2008 season.

Now, I think that the "Schaub is injury prone take" is a busted myth.


The one who's injury prone is Williams.

What a craptastic thread.

Where is your Andre Johnson - Injury Prone thread?

You can make a better case for the 2 quotes here than you can for Schaub.

Khari
11-15-2011, 09:15 AM
everybody is injury prone when haynesworth falls on you :kitten:

Texanfan4ever
11-15-2011, 09:21 AM
Instead of attacking Schuab , use your energy to get behind Leinert! He needs all positive energy! Stars were made like this! This is still our year !

Texanfan4ever
11-15-2011, 09:23 AM
Haynesworth was the One who cheap shotted him that took him out that Yr! Can't stand that jerk!

HOU-TEX
11-15-2011, 09:25 AM
Retarded thread, preciate it

Kthx
11-15-2011, 09:34 AM
This thread needs to die in a fire.

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NitroGSXR
11-15-2011, 09:35 AM
This topic will continue to be discussed. Locking threads won't stop that. Schaub has missed "significant" time in 3 of his 5 seasons in Houston. Injury prone? No, there are good reasons why Schaub has gone down. Brittle? Well, he ain't Brett Favre. But, you're right in that Matt has played through some injuries. Call me crazy, but I haven't given up hope that Schaub returns for the playoffs.
I have also not given up. The Texans' uncanny ability for being medically vague has left me hoping for the best. I might be a glutton for punishment but there are a couple things...

My brother is a local orthopedic surgeon's PPA. I broke my ankle two years ago. He took an x-ray of my foot and discovered that I had previously broken my foot not once but twice. So my going rate is 3 broken feet for me and only one put me down and that was the ankle. I never knew about the other two breaks. I remember being bothered by them when it happened but never took much notice to its severity. So... I am also wondering why they don't just put a boot on him and throw him back out there. Go to a tandem role with Leinart if need be. I'm not saying Schaub needs to nut up or anything. I still don't know the extent of his injury and his pain-level tolerances... I just hope he chooses to play football if the choice was left to him like Roethlisberger did.

As for the lisfranc rumors, I understand that LaCranfora is usually accurate with his reports but I will not hold ESPN as the holy grail. What DOES bother me is... why wait to see the specialists next week? Why not n-o-w? I don't get that one. I also don't think this is the first time the Texans have been slow to medically schedule something for...

Big Lou
11-15-2011, 09:35 AM
I believe Schaub is a great fit here, even more so with our new found defense, dual threat backfield, and a FB that can catch. I think he is very good to great when healthy.

The reality though, he is injury prone and brittle. He has been battlefighting a hip and shoulder injury all year which is why his throws have been off. Dude is not built to last, and now he will be even slower and less athletic with a stump foot.

No matter what you believe about his ability, he is on the wrong side of 30 and has missed 5 or more games in 3 out of his 5 years as a starter. Individually they seem like freak injuries, but it is now the rule rather than the exception.

So lets have you and every one else in this forum run a QB Sneak and then when your foot is pressing off the turf and your leg is extended we'll drop a 320 lb. D-Linemen on your foot and see how it holds up. Unless your bones are covered in Adamantium, something tells me your headed for a walking boot.

DeMarCushPoll
11-15-2011, 09:36 AM
Haynesworth was the One who cheap shotted him that took him out that Yr! Can't stand that jerk!

Watching the replay from Sunday and it looks to me like fat-ass haynesworthless was the one that rolled up on him this time as well. Probably did it on purpose.

May his boat sink in the gulf with him on it!

Big Lou
11-15-2011, 09:37 AM
If I was being honest, I would call you an *****. but the forum code won't let me.

Season Team G GS Comp Att Pct. Yds Avg TD Int Sck Sck Yrds Rate
2007 Texans 11 11 192 289 66.4 2,241 7.8 9 9 16 126 87.2
2008 Texans 11 11 251 380 66.1 3,043 8.0 15 10 23 149 92.7
2009 Texans 16 16 396 583 67.9 4,770 8.2 29 15 25 149 98.6
2010 Texans 16 16 365 574 63.6 4,370 7.6 24 12 32 226 92.0





He is 30 years old, not at all old for a qb. Check out his starts for yourself.

I saw what you did there. Rep.

speedfreek
11-15-2011, 09:46 AM
The guy has been here for 5 years and only had 2 complete seasons.

He's 30 years old.

His completion percentage has dropped from 67.9 to 63.6 to 61.0 over the last 3 years. At this rate, he will be in the 50's next year.

This has occurred over a period of time where our running game has improved substantially along with the offensive line play. (better protection, more effective play action, etc.)

We are also facing potentially the easiest schedule in our existence, and the worst the AFC south has EVER been.

You can sit here and sunshine pump all you want, but the guy has lost a step and is averaging 12.8 games/yr in his time here with us. (it's really hard to go 12-4 if your starter misses a quarter of the season)

He also makes INEXPLICABLY boneheaded plays like throwing INT's to d-linemen on screens and having more batted balls than anyone with his height should ever have.. (that goes to his football "smarts")

But that's ok, I don't expect an aggie to know anything about good QB play. (McGee, Jerrod, Tannehill, etc. etc. etc.)

TJ

If I was being honest, I would call you an *****. but the forum code won't let me.

Season Team G GS Comp Att Pct. Yds Avg TD Int Sck Sck Yrds Rate
2007 Texans 11 11 192 289 66.4 2,241 7.8 9 9 16 126 87.2
2008 Texans 11 11 251 380 66.1 3,043 8.0 15 10 23 149 92.7
2009 Texans 16 16 396 583 67.9 4,770 8.2 29 15 25 149 98.6
2010 Texans 16 16 365 574 63.6 4,370 7.6 24 12 32 226 92.0




He is 30 years old, not at all old for a qb. Check out his starts for yourself.

JamesBill
11-15-2011, 09:50 AM
Injury prone = tendency to be injured.



They all get hurt! He has played thru it all!

No they don't and no he hasn't.

Where is your Andre Johnson - Injury Prone thread?

If Andre Johnson plays the rest of the year, he will have missed 19 total games. That includes the two games they sat him for at the end of last season that he would have played if they mattered. If Schaub is out the rest of the reg season he will have missed 16 games. 16 vs 19 in almost half the time.

The one who's injury prone is Williams.
He has a ton of nagging small injuries so he is injury prone in that regard, but at the end of this season he will STILL have missed less games than Schaub even playing one more season. He was also shut down last year along with 'Dre

So lets have you ...blah blah blah...covered in Adamantium, something tells me your headed for a walking boot.
Plenty of other QB's manage to not get knocked out for several games in a majority of their seasons played.

Instead of attacking Schuab , use your energy to get behind Leinert! He needs all positive energy! Stars were made like this! This is still our year !
Not attacking, just being honest. Also I am all over Leinart, check my recent posts.

Rey
11-15-2011, 10:08 AM
Schaub has not been the picture of health since he's been here.

Compared to most pocket passing QB's he has watched the game from the sidelines or from home quite a bit...

I'm kind of surprised to see so many people angrily disagreeing like it's a completely ridiculous notion to say he is prone to being injured.

beerlover
11-15-2011, 10:17 AM
He plays with a lot of nagging injury's so his list if probably far greater than Texans are letting on. Does he have an NFL body? No. Is he athletic? No, but he doesn't have to be to run an NFL offense, especially one tailor made that addresses both Matt's strength & weakness. They paid Matt Leinart good money to be his back-up. Leinart turned down even better offers because he liked Texan situation, now lets give him a chance to see if all the practice, evaluation & development pays off so Texans don't skip a beat. :logo:

Kimmy
11-15-2011, 10:24 AM
It's because we're soft. *nodding*

Double Barrel
11-15-2011, 10:25 AM
Schaub has not been the picture of health since he's been here.

Compared to most pocket passing QB's he has watched the game from the sidelines or from home quite a bit...

I'm kind of surprised to see so many people angrily disagreeing like it's a completely ridiculous notion to say he is prone to being injured.

yeah, it's just conversation. I don't understand the hurt peepee thing, but I guess some topics are sacred because they can be so upsetting to some folks.

Should I move this thread to the NSZ since it's so controversial? :whistle: [/sarcasm]

JamesBill
11-15-2011, 10:25 AM
Schaub has not been the picture of health since he's been here.

Compared to most pocket passing QB's he has watched the game from the sidelines or from home quite a bit...

I'm kind of surprised to see so many people angrily disagreeing like it's a completely ridiculous notion to say he is prone to being injured.

I think people have some crazy definition of injury prone. To be injury prone you don't have to be Chad Pennington with a Jeff Bagwell shoulder. To me injury prone just means you have a tendency, history, and significant probability of missing games.

He plays with a lot of nagging injury's so his list if probably far greater than Texans are letting on.
I am convinced his drop in accuracy is due to the hip and back injuries this year. Still I don't have a problem with his performance, I have a problem with how many games he has and will miss.

Texaninlild
11-15-2011, 10:25 AM
We should add this to the dumbest threads of the year and take a poll.:choke:

JamesBill
11-15-2011, 10:37 AM
We should add this to the dumbest threads of the year and take a poll.:choke:

Go ahead.

Put my other one in there also:

Schaub's health without Leach (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83561)

NitroGSXR
11-15-2011, 10:49 AM
Schaub has not been the picture of health since he's been here.

Compared to most pocket passing QB's he has watched the game from the sidelines or from home quite a bit...

I'm kind of surprised to see so many people angrily disagreeing like it's a completely ridiculous notion to say he is prone to being injured.

Everybody has their definition of what injury-prone means. For me... injury-prone is when somebody frequently comes up lame. That is not Schaub (except for the time he limped up out of bounds). I'd definitely call Mario reaching out for air and tearing a pectoral is coming up lame. Injury-prone in professional football? Eh... those are the breaks.

Rey
11-15-2011, 10:50 AM
Everybody has their definition of what injury-prone means. For me... injury-prone is when somebody frequently comes up lame. That is not Schaub (except for the time he limped up out of bounds). I'd definitely call Mario reaching out for air and tearing a pectoral is coming up lame. Injury-prone in professional football? Eh... those are the breaks.

Why does everyone keep bringing Mario into this conversation?

Honest Question...

Yankee_In_TX
11-15-2011, 10:51 AM
can't believe there is a thread on this.
That injury prone bulls**t was used a few years ago and that was because he coped some cheap shots in the back field. yeah he battles injuries through the year but u find me a player in the NFL who doesn't.
Schaub is not injury prone. his taken a lot of big hits and he gets up and gets on with it!

Jared Effing Allen.

I got mad when at half time last night Allen and Rodgers were talking and laughing together. I hate Allen.

Then, low and behold in the second half he laid a questionably cheap shot on Rodgers. So maybe he won't be so buddy buddy next time.

Wolf
11-15-2011, 10:53 AM
Go ahead.

Put my other one in there also:

Schaub's health without Leach (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83561)

Add foster and Tate without leach :howdy:

HOU-TEX
11-15-2011, 10:57 AM
Schaub has not been the picture of health since he's been here.

Compared to most pocket passing QB's he has watched the game from the sidelines or from home quite a bit...

I'm kind of surprised to see so many people angrily disagreeing like it's a completely ridiculous notion to say he is prone to being injured.

I think it has more to do with the timing of the post. At least to me it does. My Wheaties still have piss in them, ok. Ha

Schaub has had his share of health issues during his tenure here, but it's been 40+ games since he last missed a game.

Anywho, I'm ready to move on with 'Hot Tub'. I've talked myself into thinking there won't be a huge drop off.

GlassHalfFull
11-15-2011, 11:05 AM
I think it has more to do with the timing of the post. At least to me it does. My Wheaties still have piss in them, ok. Ha

Schaub has had his share of health issues during his tenure here, but it's been 40+ games since he last missed a game.

Anywho, I'm ready to move on with 'Hot Tub'. I've talked myself into thinking there won't be a huge drop off.

Pretty much the bolded.

I also don't like ragging on players for getting injured. The whole tone of calling them brittle rubs me the wrong way. These guys basically are putting their future health and comfort on the line to entertain us (yes, I know they get paid for it also). Look at Earl Campbell and some of the other vets who have trouble getting around and live their retirement in pain.

Gonna start rambling here, but nobody hates getting hurt more than the players themselves. I do sideline pics at high school games, and had to watch a good friend of my son, who I love like a 2nd son, get a mcl injury early in the playoff game Sat night. The poor kid was just sobbing on the sideline, not in pain, but because he couldn't finish the game.

I just don't understand the need to criticize someone for being injured. But I also have had some significant injuries myself, so can totally sympathize with the player.

NitroGSXR
11-15-2011, 11:05 AM
Why does everyone keep bringing Mario into this conversation?

Honest Question...

Playing through injuries doesn't mean he's not getting injured. I think Mario belongs in the discussion as a result of his big toe. Would you prefer that I use Owen Daniels as an example?

Hervoyel
11-15-2011, 11:22 AM
What goes into a player being "injury prone"? Some guys get that label because they're are literally made of glass. Chris Chandler broke if one of his own linemen breathed on him too hard in the huddle. Other guys just run into really bad luck.

Schaub I think falls into the latter category and if he has an injury prone stigma about him it's because he's been the victim of some cheap shots and some simple bad luck. This is an injury that could have easily happened to anyone.

The question the Texans have to deal with and find an answer to is "Does it matter in the long run?". Schaub is hurt and we need to know if he'll be back this year, sometime next year, or really "ever". When he does come back (assuming the career ending talk is way premature) will he be able to to play at the same level he has been playing at? Will he have the mobility of Dan Marino without the other HOF tools? Can we even succeed with a QB who isn't as mobile as Schaub is now?

I believe that with very few exceptions the natural state of the NFL is one of constant change. Only a handful of QB's in the league are secure enough to not be upgraded if the opportunity came about or the circumstances dictated it. I think Schaub is secure enough to not have to worry about the Texans actively looking for his replacement but he could find himself in trouble if he's outplayed by someone while recovering from an injury.

I don't believe that guy is on the roster who's going to outplay Schaub "as we know him". I want Leinart to do good, great even but that's mostly wishful thinking on my part. I hope he's matured and worked hard and is ready to step up and knock the worlds socks off but I understand that is unlikely at best.

But if this injury seriously affects his already not so incredible mobility then doesn't that mean we do need to find someone? Will Leinart be a bigger drop-off than a less mobile version of Schaub in our system?

I've said a lot of times that I think Kubiak is always looking for the next QB and it's not as much a knock on Schaub as it is a acceptance of the reality of the game. I wouldn't call Schaub injury prone but he's caught some bad breaks and if this turns out badly then it might shorten his career. The Texans need to be prepared for that possibility. In that case these six games are very much an audition for Leinart and if he falls short maybe even for Yates. I think QB just entered our draft picture if neither of them gets it done.

Big Lou
11-15-2011, 11:43 AM
Schaub has not been the picture of health since he's been here.

Compared to most pocket passing QB's he has watched the game from the sidelines or from home quite a bit...

I'm kind of surprised to see so many people angrily disagreeing like it's a completely ridiculous notion to say he is prone to being injured.

I think its fair to say he has been injured more than average, but it only takes a couple of hits to skew your average very quickly. Many injuries are situational and the strongest person on the planet couldn't do sh*t about them. (As an example would you say that Charles Spencer is injury prone?, but he's not playing is he) There are times when someone tougher would withstand an injury others would not, but when 300+ lbs. falls on your foot the way it appears this happened, theres not much anyone can do.

Marcus
11-15-2011, 12:12 PM
I really don't think it's possible for Schaub to be slower or less athletic. I'm still not sure why they can't stick a couple of pins in his foot and send him back out there for the playoffs.

Wow!

eriadoc
11-15-2011, 12:17 PM
I hate the "injury prone" label. It's stupid. Very few football players are prone to injury more than others. Matt Schaub is no more likely to be injured than any other pocket QB. It's not like he has calcium deficiency and brittle bones. It's not even like he has big guys hitting him every play, like many other positions on the field. So stop with the label already. They're all football players and they all get pounded.

That said, it's ridiculous to blast the observation that, in point of fact, Matt Schaub will have missed 16 games in the past 5 seasons by the end of this one.

infantrycak
11-15-2011, 12:34 PM
I hate the "injury prone" label. It's stupid. Very few football players are prone to injury more than others.

Agreed. I think the only time it should be used if at all is where a player has had repetitive injuries to the same body part. That and multiple concussions.

It just makes no sense to associate say DeMeco's elbow injury to his prior achilles injury.

eriadoc
11-15-2011, 12:38 PM
Agreed. I think the only time it should be used if at all is where a player has had repetitive injuries to the same body part. That and multiple concussions.

It just makes no sense to associate say DeMeco's elbow injury to his prior achilles injury.

Great illustration. Yao Ming is injury prone. Matt Schaub is not.

Yankee_In_TX
11-15-2011, 12:42 PM
Great illustration. Yao Ming is injury prone. Matt Schaub is not.

/thread

Texan_Bill
11-15-2011, 12:44 PM
And people wonder why I spend less and less time persuing the boards. :gun:

Double Barrel
11-15-2011, 12:49 PM
I hate the "injury prone" label. It's stupid. Very few football players are prone to injury more than others. Matt Schaub is no more likely to be injured than any other pocket QB. It's not like he has calcium deficiency and brittle bones. It's not even like he has big guys hitting him every play, like many other positions on the field. So stop with the label already. They're all football players and they all get pounded.

That said, it's ridiculous to blast the observation that, in point of fact, Matt Schaub will have missed 16 games in the past 5 seasons by the end of this one.

"Injury prone", no.

Prone to putting himself in positions that might increase the chance of injury? Perhaps.

Earlier in his Texans career, he tended to hold on to the ball too long. I remember some of those Haynesworth hits that just confused me why he didn't get rid of the ball like other QBs do.

I think this injury, though, was just a victim of circumstance. Run that play 20 times and 19 of them he's fine.

Rey
11-15-2011, 01:05 PM
I think its fair to say he has been injured more than average, but it only takes a couple of hits to skew your average very quickly. Many injuries are situational and the strongest person on the planet couldn't do sh*t about them. (As an example would you say that Charles Spencer is injury prone?, but he's not playing is he) There are times when someone tougher would withstand an injury others would not, but when 300+ lbs. falls on your foot the way it appears this happened, theres not much anyone can do.

That's fine...

I have not stated an opinion one way or the other and I totally understand what you were saying.

That said, my point was that I don't think it's this crazy ridiculous notion for someone to think he is injury prone. He has been injured quite a bit and while he has had a good stretch of staying healthy, overall he has sat out due to health issues quite a bit...

This is not a knock on Schaub (for me) it's an observation.

NitroGSXR
11-15-2011, 01:07 PM
Great illustration. Yao Ming is injury prone. Matt Schaub is not.

Different sports so your example can get lost. Try naming some injury prone NFL examples. Simply put... there aren't many of them because they either play football or not. NFL careers are generally too short in order for them to recover over and over. 16 games verses 82 or 162 is huge with carrying the injury-prone label.

To roll with infantrycak's definition, Owen Daniels would best fit with 3 blown ACLs. Problem is... only one has kept him down in the NFL. The other two were from his college days (or is it vice-versa?) but they don't apply because he didn't miss any NFL games. Eh. I think it's weak.

Again, the injury-prone label does not belong in football. Those are the breaks.

Marcus
11-15-2011, 01:07 PM
And people wonder why I spend less and less time perusing the boards. :gun:

You and me both, Bill.

You and me both.

Rey
11-15-2011, 01:46 PM
Seems like folks just have different definitions of injury prone.

I think even if you are in the group that says he is not injury prone he just has bad breaks, then it would seem that he is prone to having bad luck or being cheap shotted which ultimately leads back to the same place which is Schaub missing games...

Prone to bad luck, prone to being injured, prone to cheap shots, prone to mis-fortune...

Doesn't really matter to me...He's missing games in the midst of our best season ever and that sucks. Sucks for him and it sucks for the team.

Hopefully time machine can get 'er done.

Norg
11-15-2011, 01:55 PM
Haynesworth is just his kryptonite :P i think haynes has injured him at least 3 times already

Marcus
11-15-2011, 01:55 PM
Seems to me that some want it both ways.

If you don't want injuries to used as an excuse, why focus on them as if they should be?

Legitimate question.

rush2112mn
11-15-2011, 02:05 PM
Brittle....are you crazy.....
How about the Jacksonville game where he gets hurt and goes to the locker room....then comes back out and finishes the game.....

.......:pissed:

JWarren14
11-15-2011, 03:58 PM
Thread Killer:

Via ESPN South Blog

A few other notes on Schaub from ESPN Stats and Info, as he shifts into the background:

He had started 46 straight games for the Texans and entering Week 10 he was one of seven quarterbacks to take every snap.

After throwing a combined 27 interceptions in 2009 and 2010, Schaub had just six in 10 games this season, tied with Colt McCoy and Jay Cutler behind only Aaron Rodgers (three).

According to Total QBR, Schaub has been an elite-level quarterback since the 2008 season. His 66.2 QBR in that time period trails only Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Rodgers and Drew Brees.

srrono
11-15-2011, 04:05 PM
Its the NFL not flag football guys get injured

JamesBill
11-15-2011, 06:00 PM
Brittle....are you crazy.....
How about the Jacksonville game where he gets hurt and goes to the locker room....then comes back out and finishes the game.....

.......:pissed:

That has more to do with his mental toughness, motivation and tolerance of pain.

When I said brittle I mean his body seems to be more likely to break than other QB's.

Lucky
11-15-2011, 06:51 PM
I really don't think it's possible for Schaub to be slower or less athletic. I'm still not sure why they can't stick a couple of pins in his foot and send him back out there for the playoffs.

Wow!
Why so flabbergasted? It's pretty obvious that the Texans and Schaub are exploring every possibility for a return by the playoffs. Unless you know something the rest of us don't know?


According to Total QBR, Schaub has been an elite-level quarterback since the 2008 season. His 66.2 QBR in that time period trails only Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Rodgers and Drew Brees.
I don't think anyone would questions Schaub's numbers prior to this season. But, Matt has not played to an elite level in 2011.

Speedy
11-15-2011, 07:02 PM
But, Matt has not played to an elite level in 2011.

Maybe because he hasn't needed to?

Lucky
11-15-2011, 07:03 PM
Maybe because he hasn't needed to?
I can think of two or three games where the Texans needed more from Matt.

Speedy
11-15-2011, 07:09 PM
I can think of two or three games where the Texans needed more from Matt.

And I can probably think of the same 2 or 3 games where the Texans could have used more from that #1 defense of theirs.

Good grief. If the man throws 15 passes a game for the rest of his life and they win by damn near 30 points....what the hell else do you want out of this man?

Speedy
11-15-2011, 07:12 PM
He brought them back twice against the Saints BTW, and the defense didn't hold.

Lucky
11-15-2011, 07:22 PM
He brought them back twice against the Saints BTW, and the defense didn't hold.
That 4th quarter pick thrown by Schaub (with the Texans in the lead) didn't help. You're right in that the Texans haven't needed an elite QB often this season. And they've rarely gotten elite QB play this year, as well. I don't see how that's arguable.

Rey
11-15-2011, 07:35 PM
And I can probably think of the same 2 or 3 games where the Texans could have used more from that #1 defense of theirs.

Good grief. If the man throws 15 passes a game for the rest of his life and they win by damn near 30 points....what the hell else do you want out of this man?

Defense has exceeded expectations this year. Matt has probably underperformed a bit.

Gotta give credit to other teams, and the saints have a good offense. Not to mention it was early in the season and the defense was a complete work in progress.

I haven't seen many Matt schaub sucks posts but its ridiculous that you can't post and discuss minor criticisms about him without folks putting up protective armor. He is not a shoe in hall of fame guy. He does have SOME flaws.

Goatcheese
11-15-2011, 07:55 PM
I don't think anyone would questions Schaub's numbers prior to this season. But, Matt has not played to an elite level in 2011.

His career high 8.5 YPA and a TD:INT ratio of nearly 3:1 is pretty elite in my book.

He is not a shoe in hall of fame guy. He does have SOME flaws.

there are only 2 shoe in hall of fame guys in the league right now. Brady and Forehead.

Brees and Rodgers still need to do a lot to even get into the conversation.

Rapistberger may ride his defense into the hall, but it won't be because he was great.

Schaub is in that second tier of guys after the HoFers that can carry an average team to the SB. He's a Kurt Warner caliber guy in my view.

Rey
11-15-2011, 07:59 PM
Schaub is in that second tier of guys after the HoFers that can carry an average team to the SB. He's a Kurt Warner caliber guy in my view.

Your opinion of schaub is certainly higher than mine.

Speedy
11-15-2011, 08:28 PM
Defense has exceeded expectations this year. Matt has probably underperformed a bit.

Gotta give credit to other teams, and the saints have a good offense. Not to mention it was early in the season and the defense was a complete work in progress.

I haven't seen many Matt schaub sucks posts but its ridiculous that you can't post and discuss minor criticisms about him without folks putting up protective armor. He is not a shoe in hall of fame guy. He does have SOME flaws.

I don't see anybody saying he's a shoe-in HOFer. But I have seen more than a fair share of ridiculously picking him apart.

He threw for over 9,000 yards the last 2 seasons which only a handful of QBs have done, made numerous comebacks just last year that will never be because of the vomit they called a defense last year. And despite all those numbers, people complain because he doesn't win. Well, he's 7-3 and winning this year and now his numbers aren't good enough for you. What the hell?

Hell, he hits Jacoby on an 80 yard TD on the first freaking play of the game and people are on his ass about making JJ slow down to get it. Really?

That to me is just complaining for the sake of complaining.

Yeah he has flaws but who the hell doesn't? Nobody walks on water in this league (besides Tebow) including the HOFers. And even though there's probably 22-24 teams or so in this league that would take Matt Schaub in a freaking heartbeat, you've got people on this freaking MB saying Leinart can do just as good, if not better?

And since when is coming to the defense of Schaub, or anybody for that matter, ridiculous? Especially on a dumb ass thread calling him injury prone. People can get on here and slam the dude all day long and it's OK, but if someone has a differing opinion and defends him then it becomes ridiculous? Get real.

HJam72
11-15-2011, 08:33 PM
Schaub is a good QB.

Leinart??????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????


We'll see...

DBCooper
11-15-2011, 09:03 PM
Look on the bright side guys, we are getting that national attention some have been clamoring for............

Texan_Bill
11-15-2011, 09:06 PM
Thread Killer:

Via ESPN South Blog

A few other notes on Schaub from ESPN Stats and Info, as he shifts into the background:

He had started 46 straight games for the Texans and entering Week 10 he was one of seven quarterbacks to take every snap.

After throwing a combined 27 interceptions in 2009 and 2010, Schaub had just six in 10 games this season, tied with Colt McCoy and Jay Cutler behind only Aaron Rodgers (three).

According to Total QBR, Schaub has been an elite-level quarterback since the 2008 season. His 66.2 QBR in that time period trails only Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Rodgers and Drew Brees.

So much for those "Schaub sucks" theorists!!! I'm not suggesting that Matt is anything special, but eff those that suggest Schaub was the problem with this team in the past.... Either misinformed or ignorant.

HJam72
11-15-2011, 09:11 PM
Ya know, Leinart might know how to recuperate that foot. :kitten:

Texan_Bill
11-15-2011, 09:19 PM
Ya know, Leinart might know how to recuperate that foot. :kitten:

Matt could hook Matt up with a night of therapy in a hot tub with four hotties, sans Matt's wife (the ex-Falcon Cheerleader)??? AWESOMENESS!!!!... I'm in!!

infantrycak
11-16-2011, 10:12 AM
He threw for over 9,000 yards the last 2 seasons which only a handful of QBs have done

He is one of six to have done so and was on his way to another 4000 yard season even though according to some he wasn't really significant to our offense.