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EllisUnit
11-14-2011, 09:11 PM
I loved what i saw from T.J Yates in the pre season, he was very accurate has a good arm, and personally i think he is a better fit for or offensive system. So who would you rather have throwing the ball ?

Playoffs
11-14-2011, 09:13 PM
Someone with some experience.

Lurvinator11
11-14-2011, 09:14 PM
If we were a bad team and not really contending, I'd give yates a try. However, since we are contending right now and yates doesnt have too much experience, Leinart is the better choice for right now.

EllisUnit
11-14-2011, 09:16 PM
If we were a bad team and not really contending, I'd give yates a try. However, since we are contending right now and yates doesnt have too much experience, Leinart is the better choice for right now.

I dont know. Yates is undamaged by bad coaching, failure at the NFL level, and this is the only NFL system he has ever learned. Just something to think about.

redwhiteANDblue
11-14-2011, 09:17 PM
Yates. I just don't see it in Lienart. He's like a clone of orlovsky in my eyes. Bad arm strength and bad decision making. Yates has the arm strength and an upside. I saw him make a lot of throws and see some potential

Ryan
11-14-2011, 09:17 PM
Honestly i'd choose Yates simply because of him not changing up the dynamics of our o-line at all being a right hander.

EllisUnit
11-14-2011, 09:19 PM
Honestly i'd choose Yates simply because of him not changing up the dynamics of our o-line at all being a right hander.

agree our bootlegs are designed for a right hander. in most cases.

redwhiteANDblue
11-14-2011, 09:20 PM
And who knows with Yates we might get a Cinderella Tom Brady type story? Maybe a little bit of Kurt Warner? Who knows there's a chance with Yates but we know with Lienart we're getting below average qb play

TexCanada
11-14-2011, 09:23 PM
And who knows with Yates we might get a Cinderella Tom Brady type story? Maybe a little bit of Kurt Warner? Who knows there's a chance with Yates but we know with Lienart we're getting below average qb play

Leinart is going to be a lot more prepared this time around. He has been groomed for a while now, and he must know his career is on the line. That doesn't guarantee that he is going to do anything, but I would give him a chance before we just threw Yates in there.

aussie_texan
11-14-2011, 09:23 PM
i don't think we should be concerned but leinart being a lefty. the coaching stuff would have contingency plans for this otherwise they wouldn't have signed him and kept him at backup if it required changing the whole system.

the points about him having already struggled in the nfl is valid but i think he will surprise and perform well.

Think cassell last year just handing off then occasionally booming long to bowe.
for us it will be hand off to shock and awe and boom long to the almighty AJ!
....yes i did compare aj to god deal with it lol

speedfreek
11-14-2011, 09:24 PM
no way to sugar coat it -- either way we are in deep doo doo..

TJ

redwhiteANDblue
11-14-2011, 09:26 PM
Leinart is going to be a lot more prepared this time around. He has been groomed for a while now, and he must know his career is on the line. That doesn't guarantee that he is going to do anything, but I would give him a chance before we just threw Yates in there.

Yeah that's true but I'm just being safe with my emotions. People are saying he's going to be a lot better this time with the coaching and the supporting cast but from what I saw in preseason I don't want to get my hopes up

Thorn
11-14-2011, 09:27 PM
All yall voting for Yates will recieve the wrath of Hot Tub QB Man as he decends from the room of Reliant for the Atlanta game in a golden hot tub flanked by naked cheerleaders. With a swift snap of his towel, he will sweep aside the Falcon defenders. With his golden beer funnel he will then destroy their entire team. Leaving the stadium in his flying golden hot tub he will shower the fans with chocolate Lambardi trophies and used cheerleader undies.

My friends, our hero has arrived. :cow:

TexanSam
11-14-2011, 09:29 PM
People voted Yates? Seriously? He's a rookie QB drafted in the 5th round. When has that equaled success?

TexCanada
11-14-2011, 09:29 PM
Yeah that's true but I'm just being safe with my emotions. People are saying he's going to be a lot better this time with the coaching and the supporting cast but from what I saw in preseason I don't want to get my hopes up

I don't think we need to get our hopes up. As long as he isn't a complete A$$ out there then we will still be able to win most of the games on our remaining schedule. Seriously, look at some of the passing yardage Schaub has put up this year. We aren't asking our QBs to be Drew Brees out there.

Corrosion
11-14-2011, 09:30 PM
I dont think Yates is ready yet ..... I gotta go with Leinart at least for now.


He doesnt have to do much , just keep the defense honest. I think he's a bit more mobiler than Schaub so the roll outs and boots will still be there.


The big difference between them is decision making .... While Schaub has run this offense for several years he hasnt made a whole lot of silly mistakes this season - Even if he has missed a few reads.
Leinart has two seasons in the system under his belt , if he can go thru his progressions and protect the ball ..... this team can still make some noise.

EllisUnit
11-14-2011, 09:30 PM
what i saw in pre season was a innacurate passer who couldnt hit a WR standing still. On the other hand i saw a young QB in yates who was very accurate and looked comfortable in the pocket, and he hit quite a few big homeruns in the pre season.

We have NEVER had a rookie QB to groom, the last time was Carr and we had a horrid O-Line. Give a young guy a chance with good protection and good coaching and you may be surprised by the results.

EllisUnit
11-14-2011, 09:32 PM
People voted Yates? Seriously? He's a rookie QB drafted in the 5th round. When has that equaled success?

when has an undrafted RB equaled success ? When has a 7th round draft pick named Tom Brady thrown into the fire and won a super bowl, and never looked back equaled success. Seriously

Texan_Bill
11-14-2011, 09:33 PM
Someone with some experience.

YUP!!

Leinart has experience. He has two weeks for film study AND a solid week of taking the majority of reps!!! Lienart will be fine!

stingray
11-14-2011, 09:33 PM
People voted Yates? Seriously? He's a rookie QB drafted in the 5th round. When has that equaled success?

You obvioulsy didn't see leinart play when he was in AZ.

TexanSam
11-14-2011, 09:34 PM
when has an undrafted RB equaled success ? When has a 7th round draft pick named Tom Brady thrown into the fire and won a super bowl, and never looked back. Seriously

Undrafted running backs have a better chance of success than QB, the most important position on the field. Brady wasn't a rookie when Drew Bledsoe got hurt.

ObsiWan
11-14-2011, 09:34 PM
All yall voting for Yates will recieve the wrath of Hot Tub QB Man as he decends from the room of Reliant for the Atlanta game in a golden hot tub flanked by naked cheerleaders. With a swift snap of his towel, he will sweep aside the Falcon defenders. With his golden beer funnel he will then destroy their entire team. Leaving the stadium in his flying golden hot tub he will shower the fans with chocolate Lambardi trophies and used cheerleader undies.

My friends, our hero has arrived. :cow:

LOL

My friend, I think they mixed up your meds over in the mental ward. I think they gave you Timothy Leary's prescription by mistake (at least I think it was a mistake :D ). Please.... step away from the LSD.

TexCanada
11-14-2011, 09:35 PM
when has an undrafted RB equaled success ? When has a 7th round draft pick named Tom Brady thrown into the fire and won a super bowl, and never looked back equaled success. Seriously

I think its safe to say that Kubiak is going off a little more then a hunch based on draft positions. He thinks Leinart can get the job done, so I'll take that opinion over one based on guesses.

GlassHalfFull
11-14-2011, 09:36 PM
All yall voting for Yates will recieve the wrath of Hot Tub QB Man as he decends from the room of Reliant for the Atlanta game in a golden hot tub flanked by naked cheerleaders. With a swift snap of his towel, he will sweep aside the Falcon defenders. With his golden beer funnel he will then destroy their entire team. Leaving the stadium in his flying golden hot tub he will shower the fans with chocolate Lambardi trophies and used cheerleader undies.

My friends, our hero has arrived. :cow:

Shouldn't this post be in the Drunk thread?

ObsiWan
11-14-2011, 09:36 PM
what i saw in pre season was a innacurate passer who couldnt hit a WR standing still. On the other hand i saw a young QB in yates who was very accurate and looked comfortable in the pocket, and he hit quite a few big homeruns in the pre season.


You left out the part where that "success" (and I'm going back and check the stat sheets) was against the other guys' THIRD STRING.

We only have preseason stats on either of them and here's the comparison

Vs. Jets (we won 20-16)
Yates - - 6 of 12 for 97 yds; no TDs, no INTs
Leinart- - 8 of 14 for 78 yds; 1 TD, 1 INT

Vs. Saints (we won 27-14)
Yates - - No passing stats; two rushes for -3 yds
Leinart- - 8 of 18 for 89 yds; no TDs, no INTs

Vs. Niners (we won 30-7)
Yates - - 1 of 1 for 7 yds; no TDs or INTs
Leinart- - 7 of 10 for 69 yds; no TDs or INTs

Vs. Vikings (we got embarrassed 28-0)
Yates - - 6 of 13 for 77 yds; no TDs or INTs
Leinart- - 13 of 16 for 145 yds; no TDs or INTs

There's nothing in these stats that tell me Yates is all that. And Yates was always going against 3rd stringers.

EllisUnit
11-14-2011, 09:37 PM
Undrafted running backs have a better chance of success than QB, the most important position on the field. Brady wasn't a rookie when Drew Bledsoe got hurt.

Him being a rookie QB dont mean anything. If anything it could be a plus. i wont re type the resons but they are earlier on in the thread

TexanSam
11-14-2011, 09:38 PM
You left out the part where that "success" (and I'm going back and check the stat sheets) was against the other guys' THIRD STRING.

This. Christian Ponder lit us up in the 4th preseason game. How's he doing this season?

EllisUnit
11-14-2011, 09:44 PM
You left out the part where that "success" (and I'm going back and check the stat sheets) was against the other guys' THIRD STRING.

I agree with this. But the whole point was that he can throw a deep accurate pass. i dont want to revery to the days of carr/ragone where the longest pass is 5 yards down the field on a dump off every play.

fiasco west
11-14-2011, 09:56 PM
Leinart all the way.

You want to throw a rookie out there with no experience at all while we are the #1 team in the AFC? Leinart has read NFL defenses and has experienced failure already, I think there is a good chance Matt 2 will be ready and far more prepared than Yates will.

As for Matt 2 having horrible time in Arizona, that's really not fair. His rookie season was not bad, it just wasn't great or amazing and Wisenhunt has been horrible when it comes to making decisions on his QB position.

TdotTexas2Step
11-14-2011, 09:56 PM
If we lose against the Jags, we may genuinely be asking ourselves this...

Fili
11-14-2011, 10:06 PM
If only our receivers were trash cans...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=NkOWTVqvkMA

burro
11-14-2011, 10:18 PM
Leinart, if only because he has more to lose than Yates. That being said, I'll reserve judgement until after the Atlanta game. If Leinart totally sucks out, then I think giving Yates a look should be up for consideration.

thunderkyss
11-14-2011, 10:32 PM
And who knows with Yates we might get a Cinderella... Maybe a little bit of Kurt Warner?

Would this be the Kurt Warner not good enough to draft turned Super Bowl MVP Cinderella story

or the

WHYDFML booted out of St Louis, can't beat out a rookie in NYGiants so you gotta go to Arizona cause no one else wants you then takes the hapless Cardinals to the Super Bowl Cinderella story?

thunderkyss
11-14-2011, 10:37 PM
YUP!!

Leinart has experience. He has two weeks for film study AND a solid week of taking the majority of reps!!! Lienart will be fine!

Kubiak said Lienart has been taking the first string snaps for the last couple of weeks while Matt rested his arm.

kcdoubleeagle
11-14-2011, 10:42 PM
Originally Posted by Thorn
All yall voting for Yates will recieve the wrath of Hot Tub QB Man as he decends from the room of Reliant for the Atlanta game in a golden hot tub flanked by naked cheerleaders. With a swift snap of his towel, he will sweep aside the Falcon defenders. With his golden beer funnel he will then destroy their entire team. Leaving the stadium in his flying golden hot tub he will shower the fans with chocolate Lambardi trophies and used cheerleader undies.

My friends, our hero has arrived.



Shouldn't this post be in the Drunk thread?

I believe the time is right to start a tripping balls thread...

Norg
11-14-2011, 11:48 PM
Is this even a question u gotta go with Matty L and if he bombs bad :knocks on wood : then u still stick with him F it LOL

The Pencil Neck
11-15-2011, 01:22 AM
agree our bootlegs are designed for a right hander. in most cases.

That's not true. We roll out both directions and we practice rolling out both directions.

The Pencil Neck
11-15-2011, 01:27 AM
I went Leinart.

He's more experienced and he's had a lot more snaps with the first string offense. He's going to have better chemistry because he's worked with these guys before. He's got two years in this system with these coaches.

If we were talking long term, I'd vote Yates. He's actually got more time in this system because he played in a copy of it in college. But he is a rookie and he's got zero experience or chemistry with these receivers.

I think Yates has more upside and more talent and a chance at a better future in this league but he's not as good as Leinart is right this second.

PHAROAH
11-15-2011, 01:43 AM
TJ Yates is just taking up a slot and he might not make the team next season come on guys lets be serious we are wasting time on silly votes about TJ Yates. Matt Leinart has a shot to turn around failed career so far lets give him a chance and if he doesn't do well Houston will no doubt draft a QB in either the 2nd or 3rd round of next years NFL Draft depending how matt shaub recovers from the Lisfranc fracture surgery.

JamesBill
11-15-2011, 01:47 AM
Honestly i'd choose Yates simply because of him not changing up the dynamics of our o-line at all being a right hander.

If it was that big of a deal I think Kubiak wouldn't have paid him. Schaub seems to stop before he throws anyways. I doubt it will be an issue. TJ Yates is terrible. Leinart all the way.

JCTexan
11-15-2011, 01:49 AM
I voted Leinart. I would go with the experience QB who has two years in this system over the 5th round rookie. Yates might be the better QB in the future but this team is in the playoff hunt right now.

JamesBill
11-15-2011, 02:20 AM
The real question is do we bring in a vet to be the backup or trust Yates.

PHAROAH
11-15-2011, 02:21 AM
The real question is do we bring in a vet to be the backup or trust Yates.Bring in a veteran TJ Yates is TJ Yates who was suspect at UNC and the question I have is who do we bring in?

ObsiWan
11-15-2011, 05:22 AM
TJ Yates is just taking up a slot and he might not make the team next season come on guys lets be serious we are wasting time on silly votes about TJ Yates. Matt Leinart has a shot to turn around failed career so far lets give him a chance and if he doesn't do well Houston will no doubt draft a QB in either the 2nd or 3rd round of next years NFL Draft depending how matt shaub recovers from the Lisfranc fracture surgery.

The real question is do we bring in a vet to be the backup or trust Yates.

Two very, very interesting thoughts here. Time to start planning for the future. I like Schaub's decision making and the way he's made the team his own since he first got here. He's not blessed with the fabled "laser-rocket arm" of the Peyton or the amazing wheels of Newton/Tebow/Vick but he's worked his ass off enough to make himself into a pro bowl QB.

But the fact is he may be gone for the season and may not be himself next season. I mean, that was his plant foot that was hurt correct? And while Matty HotTub should be able to keep this ship on course to a division title, he also is one good lick away from being carted off.

All that to say you two guys are right: Time to get some insurance for this season and to start planning for the future. Here's a list of QBs that will be available in F/A next year. The draftniks will have to show us who's might be a golden nugget available in rounds 3, 4, or 5.

Drew Brees (NO) <--- hahahahaha no way in hell
Matt Flynn (GB)
Alex Smith (SF)
Kyle Orton (Den) <--- with TebowMania sweeping Denver, this might not be a bad pickup
Jason Campbell (OAK)
Donovan McNabb (MIN)
Chris Redman (ATL)
Derek Anderson (CAR) <--- I don't know which is the real Derek; the bust in AZ or the pro bowler of Cincy
Shaun Hill (DET)
Drew Stanton (DET)
Brady Quinn (DEN)
David Garrard (FA) <--- His problem is he won't want to stay a backup
Luke McCown (JAC)
Chad Henne (MIA)
Sage Rosenfels (MIA)
David Carr (NYG)
Mark Brunell (NYJ)
Kevin O'Connell (NYJ)
Kyle Boller (OAK)
Vince Young (PHI)
Charlie Batch (PIT)
Dennis Dixon (PIT)
Byron Leftwich (PIT)
Charlie Whitehurst (SEA)
A.J. Feeley (STL)
Josh Johnson (TB)
Rex Grossman (WAS)
Richard Bartel (ARZ) - Restricted
Max Hall (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights
Tyler Palko (KC) - Restricted
Brian Hoyer (NE) - Restricted
Chase Daniel (NO) - Restricted <--- he looked pretty decent when I've seen him

Speedy
11-15-2011, 08:15 AM
YUP!!

Leinart has experience. He has two weeks for film study AND a solid week of taking the majority of reps!!! Lienart will be fine!

Leinart hasn't had an NFL defense staring at him in 2 years. Though I still go Matt2 over Yates, I think he might be a little less than fine.

grinch1134
11-15-2011, 09:15 AM
Why work on a backup plan only to abandon it when it comes time to put it in place? Of course someone had to create this thread so if things turn out bad they can say "I was saying this before the bye...2 out of 20 of my football related guesses come true and that makes me a genius."

Dread-Head
11-15-2011, 10:29 AM
YUP!!

Leinart has experience. He has two weeks for film study AND a solid week of taking the majority of reps!!! Lienart will be fine!

"Howard Johnson is right!" Sorry I was watching Blazing Saddles the other day. Yeah I'm with Bill on this one. Give the muff-hugga a shot. Hell I thought Schaub was going to be a flop when he took over. Let the tiger earn his stripes. Vugg it. If the coaches are behind him I say give him a shot.

GP
11-15-2011, 10:34 AM
I voted Matt2.

And had no trouble deciding upon it.

TheCD
11-15-2011, 11:06 AM
for us it will be hand off to shock and awe and boom long to the almighty AJ!

Did you just...I mean...is this...




I'm stealing this...:kitten:




In another troll post of the day/century

PFT last night suggested that we go after Captain Winkie. Unfortunately, this actually makes sense to me, as he would be a guy that can hit Andre in stride as well as opening up a part of the playbook Kubiak can't use with Schaub in the very deep throws. Likewise, our defense can overcome his many INTs and allow him to do what he does best (break receivers fingers). On top of all this, he wouldn't have to play a whole season, and he should be rested enough to go (if he's still in shape).

Besides, imagine if Favre came in here and won a Super Bowl against the Packers. Houston would be the media darlings of the NFL for the rest of time. This would surely never happen, but if Captain Winkie ever made sense for any team to pull him out of retirement, I think it's now. I am eagerly awaiting your many facepalms...

prostock101
11-15-2011, 11:45 AM
This board has been rather calm with the prospect of Leinart taking over.

I wonder if it would be this way if Orvlosky was still the number 2......

srrono
11-15-2011, 01:01 PM
leinart

EllisUnit
11-15-2011, 08:03 PM
Why work on a backup plan only to abandon it when it comes time to put it in place? Of course someone had to create this thread so if things turn out bad they can say "I was saying this before the bye...2 out of 20 of my football related guesses come true and that makes me a genius."

so you think thats why i created this thread ???? haha

PHAROAH
11-16-2011, 08:26 AM
Two very, very interesting thoughts here. Time to start planning for the future. I like Schaub's decision making and the way he's made the team his own since he first got here. He's not blessed with the fabled "laser-rocket arm" of the Peyton or the amazing wheels of Newton/Tebow/Vick but he's worked his ass off enough to make himself into a pro bowl QB.

But the fact is he may be gone for the season and may not be himself next season. I mean, that was his plant foot that was hurt correct? And while Matty HotTub should be able to keep this ship on course to a division title, he also is one good lick away from being carted off.

All that to say you two guys are right: Time to get some insurance for this season and to start planning for the future. Here's a list of QBs that will be available in F/A next year. The draftniks will have to show us who's might be a golden nugget available in rounds 3, 4, or 5.

Drew Brees (NO) <--- hahahahaha no way in hell
Matt Flynn (GB)
Alex Smith (SF)
Kyle Orton (Den) <--- with TebowMania sweeping Denver, this might not be a bad pickup
Jason Campbell (OAK)
Donovan McNabb (MIN)
Chris Redman (ATL)
Derek Anderson (CAR) <--- I don't know which is the real Derek; the bust in AZ or the pro bowler of Cincy
Shaun Hill (DET)
Drew Stanton (DET)
Brady Quinn (DEN)
David Garrard (FA) <--- His problem is he won't want to stay a backup
Luke McCown (JAC)
Chad Henne (MIA)
Sage Rosenfels (MIA)
David Carr (NYG)
Mark Brunell (NYJ)
Kevin O'Connell (NYJ)
Kyle Boller (OAK)
Vince Young (PHI)
Charlie Batch (PIT)
Dennis Dixon (PIT)
Byron Leftwich (PIT)
Charlie Whitehurst (SEA)
A.J. Feeley (STL)
Josh Johnson (TB)
Rex Grossman (WAS)
Richard Bartel (ARZ) - Restricted
Max Hall (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights
Tyler Palko (KC) - Restricted
Brian Hoyer (NE) - Restricted
Chase Daniel (NO) - Restricted <--- he looked pretty decent when I've seen himIf Matt Shaub has issues with recovery I say give a draft pick to get Matt Flynn (GB) he will be much better than waiting on a rookie and we still can draft another QB to groom in maybe the 4th or 5th. Matt Flynn & Chase Daniels are playing in high powered west coast offenses and that would make for an easy transition.

ObsiWan
11-16-2011, 09:10 AM
This board has been rather calm with the prospect of Leinart taking over.

I wonder if it would be this way if Orvlosky was still the number 2......

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTYZGj12zxHP-M7ZHGQw8u6PzBHlnaNDaT1_HjiIFIQ6iq0SFT3

oh HELL naw!

Vinnie
11-16-2011, 10:16 AM
All yall voting for Yates will recieve the wrath of Hot Tub QB Man as he decends from the room of Reliant for the Atlanta game in a golden hot tub flanked by naked cheerleaders. With a swift snap of his towel, he will sweep aside the Falcon defenders. With his golden beer funnel he will then destroy their entire team. Leaving the stadium in his flying golden hot tub he will shower the fans with chocolate Lambardi trophies and used cheerleader undies.

My friends, our hero has arrived. :cow:

msr

texanway
11-16-2011, 11:56 AM
Leinart has more proven experience and at this stage, you gotta go with the experience.

NCTexan
11-16-2011, 03:34 PM
I joined just to chime in here. I spent the last year watching Yates play and the thing about him is, he shows up some games and the next have a ton of turnovers. He was never as consistent as I would have liked. Not saying he won't be solid at some point, I'd just be hesitant to trust him at this point as a starting QB.

EllisUnit
11-16-2011, 07:47 PM
Well this is way more lopsided than i thought. Especially after all the praise i saw for Yates during the pre season.

EllisUnit
11-27-2011, 02:26 PM
lets bring this back out

EllisUnit
11-27-2011, 02:34 PM
someone just cam in and voted yates, thats cheating people.

thunderkyss
11-27-2011, 02:35 PM
Found this from a poster with almost 11,000 posts.

DarthLlama (http://forums.azcardinals.com/showpost.php?p=853483&postcount=15)
I bet he doesn't play long, if he doesn't get hurt he'll fake an injury.

It's pretty clear to me that Matt doesn't want to play, he wants to watch and get paid.





What's up with that? He wasn't looking too bad.... managing the game.

EllisUnit
11-27-2011, 02:37 PM
that is funny though

Iceman16
11-27-2011, 02:50 PM
Yates. I just don't see it in Lienart. He's like a clone of orlovsky in my eyes. Bad arm strength
Lolwat

Iceman16
11-27-2011, 02:52 PM
This. Christian Ponder lit us up in the 4th preseason game. How's he doing this season?
Extremely well, guessing you don't watch Vikings games. I don't blame you.

2slik4u
11-27-2011, 03:07 PM
no way to sugar coat it -- either way we are in deep doo doo..

TJ

Were in even deeper poo poo if this is TJ Yates himself saying this...

Hookem Horns
11-27-2011, 03:11 PM
People voted Yates? Seriously? He's a rookie QB drafted in the 5th round. When has that equaled success?

Tom Brady? .. oh wait he was a 6th round pick.

EllisUnit
11-27-2011, 04:13 PM
yates didnt have an awesome game, but didnt lose us the game, overall i like what i saw from him, i just think the defense not respecting the pass and loading the box along with kubiak being really conservative with the rookie didnt really give us a chance to see what he has.

Pantherstang84
11-27-2011, 04:17 PM
yates didnt have an awesome game, but didnt lose us the game, overall i like what i saw from him, i just think the defense not respecting the pass and loading the box along with kubiak being really conservative with the rookie didnt really give us a chance to see what he has.

This. Kubiak got scared. Now we get to see what kind of coach he really is. He has to get a rookie ready to face a tough Atlanta team.

thunderkyss
11-27-2011, 04:22 PM
This. Kubiak got scared. Now we get to see what kind of coach he really is. He has to get a rookie ready to face a tough Atlanta team.

Got scared?

We had a 10 point lead & supposedly the best running game in the AFC, next to Jacksonville.

I liked how he came out letting the kid throw the ball at the end of the first half... but I wouldn't say he got scared in the second... cautious maybe... smart ... eh... he's got a rookie QB playing in a game he wasn't supposed to be.

LikeMike
11-27-2011, 04:24 PM
Any news on Leinart?

Pantherstang84
11-27-2011, 04:26 PM
When you refuse to let the kid at least throw for the first down, that is being scared. It didn't have to be fancy. Just a dig to the sideline or something. I'm not saying they even had to score. Just get a first down or two.

Pantherstang84
11-27-2011, 04:27 PM
Any news on Leinart?

Nothing official. Rumor is a broken clavicle.

corytx8
11-27-2011, 04:44 PM
When you refuse to let the kid at least throw for the first down, that is being scared. It didn't have to be fancy. Just a dig to the sideline or something. I'm not saying they even had to score. Just get a first down or two.

I don't know man, we had a lead though. Risk having TJ go down the field and throwing a INT and putting the ball back into J-villes hands with more time left on the clock or you take the easy run or check down plays and extend the drive a long as possible while burning some time off the clock.

Its one thing if we were playing from behind, then I would be about having him take a few shots down the field, however, I would rather just get out of J-ville with a W so that we can prep TJ for next weeks games.

Doppelganger
11-27-2011, 04:54 PM
yates didnt have an awesome game, but didnt lose us the game, overall i like what i saw from him, i just think the defense not respecting the pass and loading the box along with kubiak being really conservative with the rookie didnt really give us a chance to see what he has.

I am expecting to lose to Atlanta. Asking a rook to play against a tough ATL D that will stack the box is asking a bit much. I want to see how he does against Cincy. He will have had two full weeks of practice where he is the #1 and will face a quality D. If he can remain healthy, I expect he will do well against Carolina and Indy.

thunderkyss
11-27-2011, 04:56 PM
I am expecting to lose to Atlanta. Asking a rook to play against a tough ATL D that will stack the box is asking a bit much. I want to see how he does against Cincy. He will have had two full weeks of practice where he is the #1 and will face a quality D. If he can remain healthy, I expect he will do well against Carolina and Indy.

I can just see Dunta getting a pic 6.....

& running his mouth

:bat:

ATXtexanfan
11-27-2011, 04:58 PM
was buying leinart, not buying yates. hope to be proved wrong

Doppelganger
11-27-2011, 05:03 PM
I can just see Dunta getting a pic 6.....

& running his mouth

:bat:

I actually think we will see a heavy run game against ATL very similar to what we saw here in the 2nd half as Kubes gets Yates up to speed. I think the playbook opens a bit more against Cincy and increases by 10% each game thereafter.

EllisUnit
11-27-2011, 07:17 PM
was buying leinart, not buying yates. hope to be proved wrong

what would make you believe in Leinart and not yates. If anything i think it should be the other way around.

AnthonyE
11-27-2011, 07:46 PM
was buying leinart, not buying yates. hope to be proved wrong

Honestly. I was buying into Leinart before he reminded me why I hated the 2006 Texans offense. I was flipping out when TJ almost scored us a TD at the bottom of the first half. I wasn't expecting that at all. If we don't get too conservative I think this kid can be real solid. Did you see how he stared down the pressure? Wow.

HJam72
11-27-2011, 08:05 PM
Can't we just take some of Leinart's collarbone and fix Schaub's ankle with it? Doc?

Better yet, let's just take one of Leinart's ankles. He owes the team anyway. :)

Jus' put 'im in a hot-tub after.

HJam72
11-27-2011, 08:10 PM
Tell you the truth:

We're in a 2-minute drill, losing by 4 points with 1:30 left and 2 timeouts....or something like that (whatever). We need a TD; FG ain't helpin' nothin'. Who do I want behind center? I'm takin' Yates over Leinart. Leinart I trust more not to throw picks. Yates, however, looks like he has the higher upside when I watch him. All Leinart's gonna do in that situation is throw 8 yard passes up the middle. Might as well run 10 draws in a row.

HJam72
11-27-2011, 08:11 PM
Now that Leinart's hurt, you guys need to start this poll over, LOL.

EVOLVIST
11-27-2011, 08:13 PM
Honestly. I was buying into Leinart before he reminded me why I hated the 2006 Texans offense. I was flipping out when TJ almost scored us a TD at the bottom of the first half. I wasn't expecting that at all. If we don't get too conservative I think this kid can be real solid. Did you see how he stared down the pressure? Wow.

Yes, that was a big wow factor. Yates appears to have better pocket presence than Schaub and Lienart, he appears to have more zip on the football. You can tell he's learned a lot about footwork from coach Knapp, something that was his downfall at UNC. He seemed confident. AJ reported that Yates went into his first huddle and said, "How's it goin' fellas? Let's go.". We also saw him give some pre-snap reads on blitz pickup. His vision was all the way down the field, and he seemed fearless in the face of pressure.

But before anyone starts thinking I spiked my Kool-Aid, he missed a wide open KW on a throw and threw away some balls needlessly. I'll give him a pass on the late lob to OD. He had to double pump that one.

The fact is, Yates has no experience. That hurts. A lot. He's going to have to grow up fast, if he grows up at all.

If he doesn't make our next opponents respect his game? We're sunk. End of story.

HJam72
11-27-2011, 08:17 PM
He must evolve.

EllisUnit
11-27-2011, 08:56 PM
Now that Leinart's hurt, you guys need to start this poll over, LOL.

haha that would be no fare. I have felt he had all the tools to be a good QB since i first saw him in pre season. I think we might be looking at the texans QB of the future right here

Ryan
11-27-2011, 09:51 PM
I was one of a few to vote for Yates the first time. I was really high on him when we drafted him and from the little i saw of him in the preseason. With a full week of practice with the first team under his belt, i think he may turn some heads in the Atlanta game.

EVOLVIST
11-27-2011, 10:14 PM
He must evolve.

Ha! Yeah, in a friggin's hurry!

The way I see it, after other teams scope the film on us vs. the Jags, and the way we game planned with Lienart, the next 5 teams should be chomping at the bit to shut down our run and make Yates pass the ball.

The other teams will figure that if the game plan was short to medium passes with Lienart, then Yates won't have a chance.

In other words, unlike Matt Lienart, where he didn't have to put the game on his shoulders, I believe it will be opposite with Yates.

There's a ton on his shoulders.

EllisUnit
11-27-2011, 10:20 PM
Ha! Yeah, in a friggin's hurry!

The way I see it, after other teams scope the film on us vs. the Jags, and the way we game planned with Lienart, the next 5 teams should be chomping at the bit to shut down our run and make Yates pass the ball.

The other teams will figure that if the game plan was short to medium passes with Lienart, then Yates won't have a chance.

In other words, unlike Matt Lienart, where he didn't have to put the game on his shoulders, I believe it will be opposite with Yates.

There's a ton on his shoulders.

Yates has the arm, it appears he has the vision, he didnt look skidish in the pocket, he would hold the ball to long at times, i think practicing with the first team and getting a rythm down with the guys will eliminate that. i Am actually encouraged after what i saw today.

It may be crazy but i feel very confident that he can more than take us to the promise land.

stingray
12-11-2011, 04:33 PM
I can proudly say that I was one of the 17 who voted for T.J. Don't let me down rook!!!!

EllisUnit
12-11-2011, 04:38 PM
I can proudly say that I was one of the 17 who voted for T.J. Don't let me down rook!!!!

and i started this thread :) appears i was right, 2-0 as a rookie. a 300 yard 2 td game, and the game winning td pass.

CretorFrigg
12-11-2011, 04:40 PM
Proud to be part of the group that voted for him!

stingray
12-11-2011, 04:40 PM
and i started this thread :) appears i was right, 2-0 as a rookie. a 300 yard 2 td game, and the game winning td pass.

Yep!!

thunderkyss
12-11-2011, 04:42 PM
I voted for Leinart & still stand behind that vote at the time.

But, if it were up to me, Tj "Pinky" Yates has won the starting job today.


Yes, I said it.

Won the starting job today.

EllisUnit
12-11-2011, 04:42 PM
i should of ended the voting, cause we have recieved like 8 new votes since last week.

HJam72
12-11-2011, 04:46 PM
Duh, which group am I in? :mcnugget:

THE RIGHT ONE!!! :texanbill:

HJam72
12-11-2011, 04:49 PM
i should of ended the voting, cause we have recieved like 8 new votes since last week.

Do it now. They're growing by the second.

EllisUnit
12-11-2011, 04:53 PM
Do it now. They're growing by the second.

i dont know how...

TheMatrix31
12-11-2011, 04:55 PM
Schaub is still a top 10 qb.... Let's dial it down a bit.

EllisUnit
12-11-2011, 04:57 PM
Schaub is still a top 10 qb.... Let's dial it down a bit.

nobody's saying he's not but i made this thread whn schaub went down. Why isnt it ok that we are all hyped about our rookie QB ?

stingray
12-11-2011, 04:59 PM
Schaub is still a top 10 qb.... Let's dial it down a bit.

So was Drew Bledsoe

Hookem Horns
12-11-2011, 05:07 PM
So was Drew Bledsoe

Agreed. Some guys are winners and clutch players some are not despite having great stats. Personally I have never been a huge fan of Matt Schaub in clutch time.

That being said I am not advocating Yates to take Schaub's job ... at least not yet.

If Yates can improve his vision (not seeing some wide open guys) and correct the overthrows he is going to be solid.

redwhiteANDblue
12-11-2011, 05:10 PM
Well now that you bring this thread back up, I just wanted to say I picked Yates when this thread first started

Scooter
12-11-2011, 05:12 PM
i'll take a pat on the back as a yates vote a few weeks ago. said the same thing during preseason as well.