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TexansFanatic
11-14-2011, 02:45 PM
I heard Schaub was seen leaving the stadium yesterday in a boot.

I'm hearing noise today that he broke his foot and will be lost for the remainder of the season but the Texans haven't announced it yet.

Don't want to be spreading wildly unfounded and disturbing rumors, but I'd like to know if anyone else has heard anything....

cland
11-14-2011, 02:47 PM
I just got a text that said the same thing. Broken foot, out for year. Information was not assured at all, but I hated to see your post.

Good grief, I might lose it if true.

TexansFanatic
11-14-2011, 02:49 PM
Can someone please remove the curse placed on the city of Houston?

redwhiteANDblue
11-14-2011, 02:51 PM
Wait what I thought it was just an ankle sprain or something

Vinny
11-14-2011, 02:51 PM
tons of tweets about Schaub being done for the year.

toxictrix
11-14-2011, 02:52 PM
Wow cursed much?

ReliantTexan
11-14-2011, 02:54 PM
This is not happening.

TexCanada
11-14-2011, 02:54 PM
Surely he would have been on crutches if it was broken, no?

Texecutioner
11-14-2011, 02:54 PM
tons of tweets about Schaub being done for the year.

Man, this is awful. Let the Leinart era begin than. Hopefully Matty boy can surprise some people.

Vinny
11-14-2011, 02:55 PM
I'd say based on what I've read is that the rumor started with someone close to Kubiak as per what Lance is restating. Wasn't Schaub on the 610 morning show?

TexansFanatic
11-14-2011, 02:58 PM
Very possible that the initial diagnosis was a rolled ankle, but x-rays revealed a broken bone.

Will Kubiak get run out of town for leaving his pro bowl quarterback on the field late in a blowout victory?

:kubepalm:

LikeMike
11-14-2011, 03:00 PM
Wow... if that turns out to be true... just wow... how much more bad luck can a city have?

Well, if it`s true, than time for Leinart to prove his worth. He had some time to sit and learn - this right now would determine his future in the NFL... Im just glad that it isn`t Orlovsky we would have to rely on.

Norg
11-14-2011, 03:00 PM
Sucks if true

But to get into the Kubes state of mind " I feel sorry for schaub he was playing his best football but this is the NFL these things can happen all we can do now is Rally behind Matt lineart" Next man up

Ryan
11-14-2011, 03:01 PM
No, please god, just no.

TheRealJoker
11-14-2011, 03:02 PM
Please dont be true!!!

m5kwatts
11-14-2011, 03:02 PM
I think you all need to settle down. Read the post game quotes, not even a hint about his injury. I would think that if there was even a GLIMMER of concern it would have been asked.

Schaub was even asked about his concerns:

(On if there are any areas of concern) Well, we are playing well as a team. Offensively we are controlling the line of scrimmage, our offensive line and tight ends are playing extremely well and were making big plays. We have some playmakers on this offense. Defensively, were playing really well. They are holding teams, making them turn the ball over. They are just playing exceptional football; we are getting some plays on our special [teams]. So as far as holes, we just got to go out and focus on playing well every week. Its so tough to win in this league, but we are just fortunate to get our seventh win here in a tough place to play.

Nowhere do I see the words "MRI"

Furthermore this doesn't sound like a guy worried about his health status:

(On being 7-3 going into the bye week) Its a great feeling for our team. With the bye week here, [and being] seven and three with six games to play. We get a little break here because we have been going strong since the start of training camp. Its some much needed rest for a lot of guys, and the coaching staff. Well come back off the bye and be ready to go.

Norg
11-14-2011, 03:03 PM
Can someone please remove the curse placed on the city of Houston?


I keep saying it wont be intill we tear down the astrodome and appease the dead indian spirts burried underneath it :kubepalm:

msbbc833
11-14-2011, 03:04 PM
You cannot rely on the player to tell you these kinds of things. Lots of times they don't even know they have an injury.

False Start
11-14-2011, 03:04 PM
If this is true, I will freak the hell out! :pissed:

BIG TORO
11-14-2011, 03:07 PM
Im pretending this is an imaginary thread!

ChampionTexan
11-14-2011, 03:07 PM
I heard Schaub was seen leaving the stadium yesterday in a boot.

I'm hearing noise today that he broke his foot and will be lost for the remainder of the season but the Texans haven't announced it yet.

Don't want to be spreading wildly unfounded and disturbing rumors, but I'd like to know if anyone else has heard anything....

The boot part is unquestionably true. If the broken foot thing came from the Matt Thomas show, then it was likely the result of Matt's producer (or some other station employee) making fun of a caller (with an IQ I'd estimate somewhere in the mid-teens) who called up and said his cousin was Mario's best friend and claimed to have inside info.

If that's it, it's a total false alarm - wasn't even pretending to be accurate.

The Pencil Neck
11-14-2011, 03:13 PM
Putting fingers in ears.

I can't hear you.

LA LA LA LA LA

Can't hear a word.

LA LA LA LA

Norg
11-14-2011, 03:13 PM
Myabe he will play in a boot for a while like Ben rotherburger did one year

Ryan
11-14-2011, 03:14 PM
There's nothing to believe this rumor is true until we hear it from Kubes himself in roughly 20 minutes.

RTP2110
11-14-2011, 03:14 PM
Guess we'll find out in about 15 minutes.

TexansFanatic
11-14-2011, 03:15 PM
If that's it, it's a total false alarm - wasn't even pretending to be accurate.

I sure hope that's it.

Norg
11-14-2011, 03:19 PM
I hope its not true "knocks on wood"

But if it is lets start who will be our QB Already LOL

say Lienart and Yates dont work out

WHat Old Vet QB sittin on the couch F/A or other team whatever DO we need to get LOL

I say David Garrard LOL if hes recoverd from his surgery by now that would be crazy for him to go aganist the Jags In 2 weeks LOL

JWarren14
11-14-2011, 03:20 PM
Schaub's last play was the 11yd TD run by Tate, no way he goes back out there for that series which was all run plays if he has a broken foot.

I can't see how this is true, at least I am really hoping this isn't true.

Thorn
11-14-2011, 03:25 PM
Well, if this is true, all those who have been bitching about Schaub are fixing to find out how important to this team he really is.

TdotTexas2Step
11-14-2011, 03:28 PM
Well, if this is true, all those who have been bitching about Schaub are fixing to find out how important to this team he really is.

I may be wrong, but I've always thought that those questioning Schaub were well aware if his importance to the team - at least this year - but instead wondered about whether he was the right fit long term.

Either way, let's hope he's alright.

Thorn
11-14-2011, 03:30 PM
I may be wrong, but I've always thought that those questioning Schaub were well aware if his importance to the team - at least this year - but instead wondered about whether he was the right fit long term.

Either way, let's hope he's alright.

Yes, let's hope that. I really don't want to trust Hot Tub Boy with this team. Not right now. Not when we are finally making our move.

JWarren14
11-14-2011, 03:34 PM
Significant Foot Injury, had MRI per Kubiak.

XI CMURDER IX
11-14-2011, 03:34 PM
:kubepalm::kubepalm::kubepalm::kubepalm::kubepalm: :kubepalm:

Significant Foot Injury, had MRI per Kubiak.

The Pencil Neck
11-14-2011, 03:34 PM
Significant foot injury. He's going to miss some time.

But possibly NOT out for the season.

Naiirb
11-14-2011, 03:34 PM
Well F%^@#

ThaShark316
11-14-2011, 03:35 PM
You have got to playing with me, man.

Errant Hothy
11-14-2011, 03:35 PM
Kubes just used the words "significant foot injury" at the podium.

He WILL miss some time. Matt L to start in Jax.

XI CMURDER IX
11-14-2011, 03:36 PM
OUT versus Jacksonville.

The Pencil Neck
11-14-2011, 03:36 PM
Broke it on the QB sneak and played through it. Started hurting in the 4the quarter.

burro
11-14-2011, 03:37 PM
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4739/noooo.gif

This blows if true.

Thorn
11-14-2011, 03:37 PM
It's the bye week. They've got an extra week to get Matty out of the hot tub and onto the field. At there's that working in our favor. Leinhart is good enough with two weeks of practice to throw a few passes and hand the ball off.

Austrian
11-14-2011, 03:38 PM
Well I hope that Leinart is ready to play.

utahmark
11-14-2011, 03:39 PM
Just get him back before the playoffs start.

House of Pain
11-14-2011, 03:39 PM
What did Houston do to deserve this?

Pantherstang84
11-14-2011, 03:40 PM
Kubiak just said Schaub's injury is significant and will miss some games. Time for Matty Hot Tub. Just when the wagon was rolling...

False Start
11-14-2011, 03:40 PM
Well the one day of feeling good about the team sure was fun, but now I feel like my dog died. :( :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed:

Now all the Schaub haters will see how much he means to this team.

NitroGSXR
11-14-2011, 03:40 PM
Hope Leinart's good at handing the ball off.

Thorn
11-14-2011, 03:41 PM
What did Houston do to deserve this?

It's Houston. There's something cosmically unaligned about this place.

Naiirb
11-14-2011, 03:42 PM
Finally get Foster back at 100% and Andre goes down. Now were gonna get Andre back Schaub goes down. What did we do to deserve this?!?! Texans are the Rockets of the Mcgrady and Yao era :(

Buffi2
11-14-2011, 03:43 PM
The first thing I thought when I heard Kubiak say "significant" and "miss some games" was that the rumors were true. No one ever says what the actual weeks out are going to be. I think I'm going to cry.

Didn't Roethlisberger play with a broken foot?

TheMatrix31
11-14-2011, 03:43 PM
I mean....like.....

HTown2ATX
11-14-2011, 03:43 PM
Just got the text from 610....how quickly a good day goes bad.....:kubepalm:

My pee pee hurts now :(

Playoffs
11-14-2011, 03:44 PM
Awww, sh!t.

ThaJokaa
11-14-2011, 03:44 PM
I woke up to horrible news; fml

Shaft75
11-14-2011, 03:44 PM
CND...

How long does it take to heal from a "significant" foot injury?

:kubepalm:

utahmark
11-14-2011, 03:45 PM
It's the bye week. They've got an extra week to get Matty out of the hot tub and onto the field. At there's that working in our favor. Leinhart is good enough with two weeks of practice to throw a few passes and hand the ball off.

If I'm not mistaken they can't practice during the first week of the bye. Anyone know?

drewmar74
11-14-2011, 03:45 PM
*&$%^!!!!!!!

TexCanada
11-14-2011, 03:45 PM
Well I guess we can put those #1 seed in the AFC threads on hold. Hopefully leinart has learned some stuff in his time at backup. This is an ideal situation for him.

redwhiteANDblue
11-14-2011, 03:45 PM
:overreact:

Errant Hothy
11-14-2011, 03:45 PM
The first thing I thought when I heard Kubiak say "significant" and "miss some games" was that the rumors were true. No one ever says what the actual weeks out are going to be. I think I'm going to cry.

Didn't Roethlisberger play with a broken foot?

Yeah, but "significant foot injury" is really friggin' vague. So who knows at this point if Matt could play on it or not. I'm leaning not if they have already ruled him out for the Jax game.

It's his right foot.

jradMIT
11-14-2011, 03:46 PM
This is gotta be the worst. Best team ever but most injury riddled year as well. Only thing left is for them to say he is done.

GuerillaBlack
11-14-2011, 03:47 PM
Well this is just fantastic news.

fiasco west
11-14-2011, 03:48 PM
This F'n sucks.

Wow.

Leinart should be able to make most throws the only thing I can say is that this team SHOULD STILL go to the playoffs. We run the ball really well and play defense really well...

Leinart can't be that bad...

Edit: First the NBA now this. Ugh

The Pencil Neck
11-14-2011, 03:48 PM
I don't even know what to say.

BUT.

At least Leinart will have AJ and our three headed monster to lean on. The main thing is limiting his throws and setting up our gameplan so that we don't expose Leinart's weaknesses.

Our D and our running game will need to step up big time.

Why couldn't we just cruise through the rest of the season? I mean, really, what the freaking hell.

Austrian
11-14-2011, 03:48 PM
I just hope it is not a Lisfranc fracture. If so he is out for the year.

ReliantTexan
11-14-2011, 03:48 PM
Schefter mentioned on nfl live it could have something to do with Matt's lisfranc

The Cush
11-14-2011, 03:49 PM
Fml!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fiasco west
11-14-2011, 03:50 PM
I don't even know what to say.

BUT.

At least Leinart will have AJ and our three headed monster to lean on. The main thing is limiting his throws and setting up our gameplan so that we don't expose Leinart's weaknesses.

Our D and our running game will need to step up big time.

Why couldn't we just cruise through the rest of the season? I mean, really, what the freaking hell.

Because they are a Houston sports team. Only conclusion I can come up with.

TheMatrix31
11-14-2011, 03:50 PM
I don't believe this **** bro.

drewmar74
11-14-2011, 03:50 PM
Okay. This sucks.

Maybe all is not lost.... I mean, Trent Friggin' Dilfer won a SB behind a good running game and a solid defense.

I'm not saying that our D is THAT good, but I digress.

Leinart, please don't screw this up.

Errant Hothy
11-14-2011, 03:50 PM
I'm not that worried about the next couple of games. I think Matty Hot-Tub can hand off well enough; and if temas continue to stack 8 in the box I thihe can find/hit a few open receivers. If teams leave 7 in the box, Foster and Tate will have a field day.

The Pencil Neck
11-14-2011, 03:51 PM
http://gamingsrapture.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/SadCat5.jpg

PapaL
11-14-2011, 03:51 PM
They just announced it on fb. This is some BULL!

Guess we will be seeing 10 people in the box to stop the run now.

TexansBlood
11-14-2011, 03:52 PM
Damn this sucks. Can it get any worse?

Good news is Dre is coming back next game hopefully and we have a bye week so Leinart needs to start practicing handing the ball off.

Playoffs
11-14-2011, 03:52 PM
"Miss several weeks..."

I can't believe our luck this year. :toropalm:

burro
11-14-2011, 03:52 PM
Well, let's look at the bright side. Leinart has had time to be a student of the game and get his head straight and is heading into a bye week, which will give him a little extra time to prepare. He will also have a well rested AJ to throw too and a fairly weak Jax defense to go against as he eases into the role. This is Leinart's chance to earn his money. Let's hope that Gary has him ready.

fiasco west
11-14-2011, 03:53 PM
I'm not that worried about the next couple of games. I think Matty Hot-Tub can hand off well enough; and if temas continue to stack 8 in the box I thihe can find/hit a few open receivers. If teams leave 7 in the box, Foster and Tate will have a field day.

He better be. Dude is a top 5 pick, he should be good enough to get the job done. Throwing to Andre is not that hard...

If Matt is not out for the year then when he gets back expect Foster or Cushing to go out. That's been our luck...

srrono
11-14-2011, 03:53 PM
Schuab haters got thier wish we are screwed if out for year

drewmar74
11-14-2011, 03:53 PM
They just announced it on fb. This is some BULL!

Guess we will be seeing 10 people in the box to stop the run now.

Sign Jeff George!

The1ApplePie
11-14-2011, 03:54 PM
Lineart did pretty well in Dennie Green's system. Wisenhunt had it out for him from day one.

rush2112mn
11-14-2011, 03:54 PM
I knew it....I knew something was up when he was in a boot yesterday after the game.

I hate qb sneaks.....anything can happen in those piles....something bad happened......

Leinart was brought in for a reason....

I am going to think about these things.....
1. Andre Johnson will be back....
2. We have a 2 headed monster in Foster and Tate.....a handoff is all it takes for that......
3.We have a defense......

Think about those 3 things......

Now watch all the bandwagoners fall off again......

michaelm
11-14-2011, 03:54 PM
This news sucks, but F it. Next man up.

Lienart is better and more experianced than Gabbert, plus the Texans are a better team that the Jagoffs.
Two weeks to prepare, just go 1-0 in week 11.

macho grande
11-14-2011, 03:54 PM
Ok so what's Leinart's strengths and weaknesses? What can't he do that Schaub does?

sometexansfan
11-14-2011, 03:55 PM
I hope Leinart can play well enough,, but just in case, is Sage still out there somewhere?

NitroGSXR
11-14-2011, 03:55 PM
I don't even know what to say.

BUT.

At least Leinart will have AJ and our three headed monster to lean on. The main thing is limiting his throws and setting up our gameplan so that we don't expose Leinart's weaknesses.

Our D and our running game will need to step up big time.

Why couldn't we just cruise through the rest of the season? I mean, really, what the freaking hell.

Who said AJ's coming back? Link please?

utahmark
11-14-2011, 03:55 PM
Lineart is going to play "lights out" and we will trade him for a number 1 pick next year.

burro
11-14-2011, 03:56 PM
Ok so what's Leinart's strengths and weaknesses? What can't he do that Schaub does?

Strengths: Picking up chicks; Throwing bitchin hot tub parties

Weaknesses: Football.

LikeMike
11-14-2011, 03:56 PM
Just take a look at the NFL homepage... The big headlines: Texans best in AFC - and "can the Texans make the Superbowl" - and just above that breaking news: Leinart in for injured Schaub...

Playoffs are still very much possible (after all, 2-3 more wins should do the trick), but without Schaub this team isn`t going far in the playoffs. Its just another season of: what could`ve been possible if our best players wouldn`t have gotten hurt (highest paid player on defense and the two highest payed players on offense got injured for significant stretches...).

What is it with Houston? The Rockets have been in injury hell for years, now the Texans... man, as an outsider, I sure picked to wrong city to root for...

toxictrix
11-14-2011, 03:56 PM
Who said AJ's coming back? Link please?

Kubiak said he is expected to be a full participant on Wednesday.

Austrian
11-14-2011, 03:56 PM
I hope Leinart can play well enough,, but just in case, is Sage still out there somewhere?

Sage is on IR because of a non football injury if I remember correctly.

Edit: Just looked it up: he is on IR for the Dolphins because of a non football injury.

76Texan
11-14-2011, 03:56 PM
Kubiak: Scans to be sent to a specialist next week.
Schaub is supposed to visit some specialist(s) next week - one of them is currently out of the country.

Playoffs
11-14-2011, 03:57 PM
Schefter said Lisfranc injury.....

CND, heeeellllpppp!!!!

TheDrifter
11-14-2011, 03:57 PM
Ok so what's Leinart's strengths?

Killer hot tub parties.

weaknesses

Winning pro football games.

redwhiteANDblue
11-14-2011, 03:58 PM
Lienart is a bust plain and simple. I pray to god he can atleast not throw interceptions. This sucks so bad. I wish I shared the same optimism as you guys and trust lienart but this season is gone. Even if we make the playoffs, there's no way we are beating a team with lienart as qb

michaelm
11-14-2011, 03:58 PM
Schefter said Lisfranc injury.....

CND, heeeellllpppp!!!!


We don't need CND to tell us lisfranc = f.u.c.t.

toxictrix
11-14-2011, 03:58 PM
Treatment options include operative or non-operative treatment. If the dislocation is less than 2 mm, the fracture can be managed with casting for 6 weeks. The patient's injured limb cannot bear weight during this period. For operative treatment, screws +/- k-wire will be used for internal fixation of the fracture after closed or more likely open reduction. Again, the patient's injured limb should not bear weight for approximately 612 weeks. The screws/k-wires are usually removed later, sometimes before weight bearing.


Minimum 6 weeks it looks like?

Dutchrudder
11-14-2011, 03:58 PM
Our defense is going to have to show up every game for 60 minutes if we're gonna make the playoffs.

TheDrifter
11-14-2011, 03:58 PM
Strengths: Picking up chicks; Throwing bitchin hot tub parties

Weaknesses: Football.

Beat me to it.

:kubepalm:

Errant Hothy
11-14-2011, 03:59 PM
Schefter said Lisfranc injury.....

CND, heeeellllpppp!!!!

Schefter has no confirmation on that...yet.

If it is a Lisfranc injury, from the quick gogle assisted research I've done the soonest he might be back is 8 weeks.

fiasco west
11-14-2011, 04:00 PM
Leinart can not be that bad. He did show some promise early and it's not like the Cards are known for their wise QB decisions.

All he has to do is hand it off and make keep defenses honest. He could have thrown that ball to Jacoby on Sunday. I still have faith that this team can go to the playoffs at the very least.

The Titans or anyone in the division is not better than a banged up Texans team. Our strength is our defense and running the ball and when you do those things well you always have a chance.

Errant Hothy
11-14-2011, 04:00 PM
Lienart is a bust plain and simple. I pray to god he can atleast not throw interceptions. This sucks so bad. I wish I shared the same optimism as you guys and trust lienart but this season is gone. Even if we make the playoffs, there's no way we are beating a team with lienart as qb

If Tebow can with that crap in Denver, surely Houston can avoid having the whels fly off of this season.

toxictrix
11-14-2011, 04:01 PM
This report looks a lot worse. Says they are usually surgically repaired???

Most often the treatment of a Lisfranc injury is surgical, although some minor injuries can be treated conservatively. If there is minimal displacement of the bones, a stiff walking cast applied for approximately eight weeks is an appropriate alternative. However, the more common treatment is to secure the fractured and dislocated bones with either internal (screws) or external (pins) fixation.

otisbean
11-14-2011, 04:01 PM
This BLOWS!!! Hopefully Matty L can get the job done.

Dutchrudder
11-14-2011, 04:01 PM
So can we trade for Vince Young now?

:backsout:

TheMatrix31
11-14-2011, 04:01 PM
My best buddy has a broken foot and part of it is a Lisfranc fracture. I think he told me the other day that he can't resume basketball activity for another few months, and will be on crutches/wheelchair for 10 more weeks.

If so....Jesus.

ChrisG
11-14-2011, 04:01 PM
Nvm alrdy reported. Tapatalk didn't update correctly

76Texan
11-14-2011, 04:02 PM
It's all Ron Dayne' fault! :overreact:

TexanFan881
11-14-2011, 04:02 PM
I hope Leinart can play well enough,, but just in case, is Sage still out there somewhere?

First thing I thought when I saw this!

XI CMURDER IX
11-14-2011, 04:03 PM
Brian Cushing can always run the wildcat like a mug!

srrono
11-14-2011, 04:03 PM
Lineart did pretty well in Dennie Green's system. Wisenhunt had it out for him from day one.

your joking right?

Matt Leinart as an NFL starter:
197 pass YPG
13 TDs
15 INTs
Not good

Austrian
11-14-2011, 04:03 PM
I wasn't that impressed with Leinart in pre season. All he need to do is to manage the game and keep the downs manageable. If he can do that we still can make the play-offs. That said I need a drink now.

Trap_Star
11-14-2011, 04:03 PM
So he yao ming'd his foot?


F*ck!

mridge01
11-14-2011, 04:04 PM
Strengths: Picking up chicks; Throwing bitchin hot tub parties

Weaknesses: Football.

At least that made me laugh.

Errant Hothy
11-14-2011, 04:04 PM
Brian Cushing can always run the wildcat like a mug!

Put Casey under center and run the wishbone!

Playoffs
11-14-2011, 04:05 PM
If....

What is a Lisfranc Injury?
Scott Kaar, MD Jul 29, 2011ShareThis (http://www.sportsmd.com/SportsMD_Articles/id/283/n/what_is_a_lisfranc_injury.aspx)


A Lisfranc injury refers to a rare injury to a joint in the center region (commonly known as the midfoot) of the foot. Although a lesser known injury, an injury in this region of the foot can be highly debilitating for an athlete who depends on their lower extremities for so much of their athletic performance. These easily overlooked injuries have recently threatened or adversely affected the careers of such well known athletes as Dwight Freeney of the Indianapolis Colts, Kevin Jones of the Detroit Lions and also Larry Johnson of the Kansas City Chiefs.

Where is the Lisfranc joint?

Lisfranc’s joint is located at the junction of the forefoot and the midfoot. Specifically, Lisfranc’s ligament refers to a specific ligament that originated from the medial cuneiform (one of the small bones in the midfoot region) and attaches to the base of the 2nd metatarsal (second long bone of the forefoot). This small, but important ligament helps stabilize the midfoot and it’s relationship with the forefoot. It also helps to preserve the arch of the foot, along with the curved shape of the bones themselves. There are also other ligaments of lesser importance in this region that contribute to the stability of the foot. Over time, the term Lisfranc injury has expanded to include any injury between the various joints between the forefoot and midfoot regions. This does not only include specifically Lisfranc’s ligament and has come to be known as the “tarsometatarsal complex”.

How is the joint typically injured?

Typically a Lisfranc injury occurs when there is a severe twisting force on the joints connecting the forefoot and midfoot. The forefoot is stuck in place and the force occurs through the athlete’s entire body when all their weight twists around the fixed forefoot. This classically occurs when a horseman falls off a horse and their foot stays locked in the stirrups. This same mechanism of injury can occur during a windsurfing accident. The windsurfer’s foot remains in the board’s stirrup while the surfer falls off the board. These injuries more commonly occurs when someone’s forefoot is stuck in the turf or ground and they unexpectedly rotate when making a cut, changing directions or are being tackled. This last type of injury is influenced by the friction between the playing surface and the athlete’s shoewear.

What about a Lisfranc injury and football?

Another mechanism by which a Lisfranc injury occurs is when an athlete, typically an offensive lineman in football, sustains a direct blow compression injury through their foot. The lineman is blocking an opposing defender while moving forward such that only their forefoot is on the ground while their heel is raised in the air. If another player falls on the blocker’s heel, a significantly large axial force occurs through the lineman’s Lisfranc joint. Furthermore, if any twisting motion also occurs, the injury can be more severe.

What are different types of Lisfranc injuries?

A Lisfranc injury can be described in various ways. One way is to differentiate them based on whether the injury is purely due to ligament rupture, or whether a small fleck of bone is pulled off (avulsed) from the ligament’s attachment to the bones of the foot. Also in the most severe high energy injuries, there may be a dislocation of the joints of the midfoot and/or multiple fractures present. A Lisfranc injury can also be classified based on which direction the involved bones move (displace) during the injury once the involved ligaments are torn.

How is a Lisfranc injury diagnosed?

A Lisfranc injury is initially diagnosed based on the history and description of the athlete’s acute injury. Often an athletic trainer at the practice or competition may see the injury occur in real time and have an immediate suspicion for the injury. The athlete will describe the immediate onset of pain in the midfoot region. There may be difficulty or even an inability to put weight on the injured foot. Over the course of the ensuing day, swelling and bruising often occurs that when serious may even become evident on the bottom of the foot. On a physical exam, the injured athlete will be tender over Lisfranc’s joint and any others involved in the injury. In the most severe of injuries, those that involve a large direct crushing force to the foot, the swelling may be so severe that an emergent evaluation in an emergency room is necessary and possibly even immediate surgery. This is however extremely rare in the setting of athletic injuries.

What imaging studies are important for a Lisfranc injury?

If a Lisfranc injury is suspected based on the description of the injury and the physical evaluation, further work-up is warranted with imaging studies. Any suspected injury should be evaluated studied with plain radiographs of the foot. It is important to take these x-rays with the patient standing on the injured foot if possible. The weight placed on the foot may cause spreading to be seen between the bones on the radiograph that might be missed on non-weightbearing x-rays. This helps to identify the injured ligaments. Another option is to take the x-rays while applying a force to the forefoot in an attempt to recreate the mechanism of injury. This may also demonstrate widening between the involved bones of the foot. An ultrasound evaluation is another simple, non-invasive way to image the injured structures in a similar dynamic fashion.

When an injury occurs that involves a fracture in this region a CT scan is best for evaluating the complex bony detail of the region. Another useful advanced imaging modality is a MRI scan. MRI is helpful in detailed evaluation of ligamentous structures, and it can see bruising in the small bones of the foot (edema) which indicate an acute injury. This can be extremely helpful when a purely ligamentous injury, without a fracture, has occurred as both of these findings are not seen on the other imaging studies.

What is the prognosis of a Lisfranc injury for an athlete?

A Lisfranc injury is a very serious, often season and sometimes career threatening injury. Untreated, a Lisfranc injury can lead to chronic, debilitating pain in the midfoot. The injury also is a cause of secondary arthritis of the involved joints which is possible even with the appropriate care (surgical or not), but is considerably higher if not treated in a timely fashion.

How is a Lisfranc injury treated in an athlete?

Treatment necessitates evaluation by an orthopaedic surgeon who routinely takes care of these injuries. This may include a sports medicine trained surgeon or an orthopaedist who specifically treats foot and ankle injuries. If after appropriate testing determines that the injury is considered a stable injury, then it may be treated with a period of non-weightbearing followed by gradual return to normal activites as detailed below. If the injury is unstable, or even if the suspicion is there for it to be unstable, then acute surgical treatment is warranted.

What is a typical course of non-operative treatment?

For a stable Lisfranc injury, treatment begins with a period of immobilization either in a removable boot or frequently a cast that includes the foot and the leg below the knee (a short leg cast). This typically lasts 6 to 8 weeks with the patient using crutches and not allowed to put weight on the injured extremity. At the same time, it is important to elevate the injured leg to decrease the swelling and therefore the pain from the injury. Icing the foot can be done also for pain and swelling if a boot is used and direct access to the foot is possible. Pain medications, usually in the form of anti-inflammatories, are also taken. In the case of a more minor injury, the duration of limited weight-bearing and immobilization may be shortened at the treating physician’s discretion.

What does surgery for a Lisfranc injury consist of?

If the injury is found to be unstable, then surgery is warranted. The timing of surgery depends on the amount of swelling and the status of the skin overlying the injured foot. If there is too much swelling or the skin is in poor condition from the injury, a short period of elevation and swelling control is warranted prior to surgery. This will decrease the chance of complications from surgery such as infection or wound breakdown, both of which have serious consequences.

Surgery typically involves rigidly stabilizing the injured joints. The specific midfoot joints that are stabilized depend on the specific ligaments that are injured and may vary somewhat on a case by case basis. The majority of the time, stabilizing the injured region requires one or a few relatively small incisions, the placement of screws and in some cases wires. By holding the involved joints rigid, the torn ligaments are allowed to heal.
There is some evidence that permanently fusing the joints of the foot that are injured may be preferential in some cases. The rationale is that the initial Lisfranc injury damages the cartilage of the joint which predisposes an athlete to the development of arthritis. By fusing the injured joints, the cartilage is removed and there is no chance of arthritis developing. One concern in an athlete however is that there may be less motion in the midfoot region after a fusion than a repair. Also following a fusion, the motion normally present at the fused midfoot joints is transferred to the uninvolved joints. This added stress can lead to the development of arthritis elsewhere.

What happens after surgery on the Lisfranc joint?

Postoperatively following a typical Lisfranc joint repair, the patient must be non-weightbearing on the operative foot. This period of restricted weight-bearing and relative immobilization is typically 6-8 weeks. Subsequently, the amount of weight-bearing allowed is gradually increased over the next few weeks. Physical therapy is initiated and sports-specific training is begun. At some point, once the torn ligaments have been given sufficient time to heal, the screws used to fix the Lisfranc injury are removed as a minor operative procedure. This again allows normal motion and function to take place in the athlete’s midfoot region. It also avoids breaking of the screws by a repetitive fatigue mechanism with impact loading that occurs during weight-bearing on the repaired foot. Although the actual timing is somewhat controversial, this usually occurs somewhere between 3 and 6 months after the first operation takes place.

When can someone typically return to playing sports after being treated for a Lisfranc injury?

Stable Lisfranc injuries that do not require surgery may cause an athlete to miss 2 months or more of their season. However, most athletes are able to successfully return at some point. Those injuries that are unstable, and require surgical repair, are serious injuries that almost always cause the injured athlete to miss the remainder of their season. It is also not uncommon for a high level athlete to not be able to return to the same level of athletic performance even in following seasons. Two well-known examples are Eric Rhett and Duce Staley both of whom had surgery for a serious Lisfranc injury and never successfully returned to their pre-injury form.

76Texan
11-14-2011, 04:05 PM
Schaub will see SEVERAL specialists the next couple of weeks.
That doesn't sound too good.

Kubiak will be on 610 at 5:00 PM

EllisUnit
11-14-2011, 04:05 PM
I think A.J will help out Leinart a lot. Seriously last season we had 0 significant injuries, and we sucked this season when we finally get it all together every important player we need is getting hurt, maybe this team is just never meant to win anything :roast:

CLTEXAN_FAN
11-14-2011, 04:05 PM
All season they have had guys stepping up. See Reed, Jones, Tate, Demps, Nolan.

This is a big reason why this season has been a success through 10 weeks. Depth and guys taking anvantage of opportunities.

Lets go Leinart....show everyone why you think you should be a starter in the NFL.

The Pencil Neck
11-14-2011, 04:05 PM
http://gamingsrapture.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/SadCat5.jpg

EDIT: Didn't mean to post that twice but my computer hung up.

thunderkyss
11-14-2011, 04:05 PM
Lienart is a bust plain and simple. I pray to god he can atleast not throw interceptions. This sucks so bad. I wish I shared the same optimism as you guys and trust lienart but this season is gone. Even if we make the playoffs, there's no way we are beating a team with lienart as qb

Why is Lienart a bust?

From what I remember, he just wasn't into investing into his career.

According to Kubiak, he's much better now, with a desire to prove he belongs in this league.

The kid is talented, & we've got a lot of talent on this team. Last time Matt Lienart was surrounded by this much talent, he was playing in a Championship game.

:koolaid:

:koolaid:

Dammit.... where is my F@$%! rum..

:koolaid:

CretorFrigg
11-14-2011, 04:07 PM
On the bright side, Leinart still has a bye-week to prepare.

macho grande
11-14-2011, 04:08 PM
Strengths: Picking up chicks; Throwing bitchin hot tub parties

Weaknesses: Football.

Hardee har har. I knew I threw a softball out there but I was hopin y'all would think it was too easy and just answer the question instead.

HOU-TEX
11-14-2011, 04:08 PM
Guess we'll see if Kubiak truly is "a guru with QBs".

This city's cursed, man!

TEXANS84
11-14-2011, 04:09 PM
LisFranc injury is what Schefter has heard he has.

The Pencil Neck
11-14-2011, 04:09 PM
So can we trade for Vince Young now?

:backsout:

Vick has two broken ribs. VY is probably going to be starting in Philly.

mridge01
11-14-2011, 04:09 PM
Why is Lienart a bust?

From what I remember, he just wasn't into investing into his career.

According to Kubiak, he's much better now, with a desire to prove he belongs in this league.

The kid is talented, & we've got a lot of talent on this team. Last time Matt Lienart was surrounded by this much talent, he was playing in a Championship game.

:koolaid:

:koolaid:

Dammit.... where is my F@$%! rum..

:koolaid:

Man, I'm getting so wasted on this Koolaid. That Leinart knows how to party.

TEXANS84
11-14-2011, 04:10 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisfranc_fracture

6-12 weeks if this is what is confirmed as the diagnosis. Great.

The Pencil Neck
11-14-2011, 04:11 PM
Hardee har har. I knew I threw a softball out there but I was hopin y'all would think it was too easy and just answer the question instead.

Weak arm and bad decision making.

76Texan
11-14-2011, 04:11 PM
Schaub will see SEVERAL specialists the next couple of weeks.
That doesn't sound too good.

Kubiak will be on 610 at 5:00 PM

Just a heads-up:
Schaub will be on 610 again tomorrow 5:00 - 5:30 PM

mussop
11-14-2011, 04:11 PM
Time to bring VY home!

Eww just threw up a little in my mouth. Maybe we should draft a better backup next year. Maybe a local kid like the one from UH or Baylor. has anyone seen the QB #4 zack dysert from Miami oh? I like what I've seen from him so far.

kcdoubleeagle
11-14-2011, 04:12 PM
Lionheart....sigh.:kubepalm:

XI CMURDER IX
11-14-2011, 04:13 PM
How would anyone know what it is if they haven't seen the MRI, or even heard Kubiak say anything other than "a significant foot injury?"

Maddict5
11-14-2011, 04:14 PM
could schaub playing for the most of 2 quarters mean the injury isnt a severe lisfranc injury? #hopingforthebest

Dutchrudder
11-14-2011, 04:14 PM
C'mon people, Lienart gets to start for the first time against Jacksonville. That's one of the easiest teams left on our schedule, so he should be alright as long as he doesn't throw too much. Foster and Tate will run all over them, and our defense will come up big against Gabbert. Hold MJD under 100 yards rushing, and maybe Matt can get a couple of good throws in to keep the defense honest. He won't be the focus of the offense, that's for sure.

ChrisG
11-14-2011, 04:14 PM
Just when everthing is rolling. Aj coming back abs schaub going out

7+ weeks puts schaub out passed the playoffs

thunderkyss
11-14-2011, 04:14 PM
Guess we'll see if Kubiak truly is "a guru with QBs".

This city's cursed, man!

Bottom line, he's going to have to coach his ass off.

This year hasn't been a walk in the park, but...... he's got to go to another level. He's got to step it up.

Rey
11-14-2011, 04:15 PM
Damn...This is shocking...

Hopefully Leinart shines and we can trade him to some QB hungry team in the off-season or just keep him as a great ins policy...

redwhiteANDblue
11-14-2011, 04:15 PM
C'mon people, Lienart gets to start for the first time against Jacksonville. That's one of the easiest teams left on our schedule, so he should be alright as long as he doesn't throw too much. Foster and Tate will run all over them, and our defense will come up big against Gabbert. Hold MJD under 100 yards rushing, and maybe Matt can get a couple of good throws in to keep the defense honest. He won't be the focus of the offense, that's for sure.

Maybe you don't get the idea that Schaub could be out for the season and not just one game. I'm sure nobody is scared of jacksonville

srrono
11-14-2011, 04:16 PM
McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Kubiak loves leinart. We'll see if he's right bout leinart like he was schaub.


McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Kubiak said they hope schaub can play again but won't know till he's finished with evaluations.

McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Kubiak said schaub will see foot specialists in Indy and Charlotte next week, bye week this wk.

McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Matt leinart will start against Jax with Schaub out.

Farough
11-14-2011, 04:17 PM
Wow, unbelievable. I figured it was just a precaution that he left in a walking boot from the game. Hopefully we can have him back a few weeks before the season ends.

This is a huge loss but it also gives Leinart a chance to step up and show why he was a top 10 pick in this league. He's got a supporting cast around him, especially if AJ comes back, to excel in the offense that we run.

GlassHalfFull
11-14-2011, 04:18 PM
:kubepalm: :wadepalm:

How to ruin my day. Geez, I would have liked a little more basking time before having my bubble burst.

Time to make my :glasshalffull: and keep it that way. I see a lot of action in the drunk thread tonight.

Wolf
11-14-2011, 04:18 PM
well, aint that a mother ****er

DAMMIT!! :pissed:
http://www.thedammitdollstore.com/New_Houston_Texans_Dammit_Doll_588.jpg

Dutchrudder
11-14-2011, 04:18 PM
Maybe you don't get the idea that Schaub could be out for the season and not just one game. I'm sure nobody is scared of jacksonville

I get the idea, but until they IR him, I'll assume he's going to be back for the playoffs.

Mr. Texan
11-14-2011, 04:18 PM
http://imgkeep.com/l/lwu9phjvhzxp/lwu9phjvhzxp.gif

burro
11-14-2011, 04:19 PM
Hardee har har. I knew I threw a softball out there but I was hopin y'all would think it was too easy and just answer the question instead.

Fine. I'll elaborate. Leinart's weaknesses include a lack of interest in football and possessing the tainted spirit of a loser. His arm strength is Chad Pennington laughable (not that we will be losing much in that dept. either way) and his pocket presence is generally atrocious. In a lot of ways, he reminds me of another pretty boy from California who the Texans pinned their hopes and dreams too, only to find out that his head was too far up his own ass to actually show any signs of improvement. That is what is currently on the books for Leinart until he gives us something else to work with.

macho grande
11-14-2011, 04:19 PM
Weak arm and bad decision making.

Weaker than Schaub's? That's not good.

Austrian
11-14-2011, 04:20 PM
Weaker than Schaub's? That's not good.

Yes I actually think so.

wildroot
11-14-2011, 04:20 PM
Last time Matt Lienart was surrounded by this much talent, he was playing in a Championship game.



How'd that turn out for him?

fiasco west
11-14-2011, 04:21 PM
Best case scenario from today.

-Matt is only out for 6-7 weeks. Coming back right in time for playoffs.
-The other Matt plays great during that period. His trade value would be pretty high.
-Texans have a tough decision to make...

I still have a lot of faith in this team.

As long as Foster stays healthy along with Cushing, D.Brown, Myers, Winston, J.Joseph...

This team is loaded with talent guys. They are not going to fall off the cliff, if they can survive Andre going out they can survive Matt going out.

EDIT: Also Titan fans celebrating the news. I can't wait to curb stomp them again with or without Schaub.

Wolf
11-14-2011, 04:22 PM
the Texans have one thing to do.. (helps to have a buy this week).. Take care of business the next 6 weeks after that and earn a bye in the Playoffs..

that will put us at 8 weeks divisional game.. Schaub hopefully would return for that.

buddyboy
11-14-2011, 04:23 PM
Best case scenario from today.

-Matt is only out for 6-7 weeks. Coming back right in time for playoffs.
-The other Matt plays great during that period. His trade value would be pretty high.
-Texans have a tough decision to make...

I still have a lot of faith in this team.

As long as Foster stays healthy along with Cushing, D.Brown, Myers, Winston, J.Joseph...

This team is loaded with talent guys. They are not going to fall off the cliff, if they can survive Andre going out they can survive Matt going out.

It's weird, with our revamped defense and strong running game, we've made almost a 180 degree turnaround from a couple years ago.

Dutchrudder
11-14-2011, 04:23 PM
So is anyone going to ask why Kubiak had Schaub in the game when we are up by 4 scores? Seems like it should have been done by now...

Austrian
11-14-2011, 04:24 PM
Best case scenario from today.

-Matt is only out for 6-7 weeks. Coming back right in time for playoffs.
-The other Matt plays great during that period. His trade value would be pretty high.
-Texans have a tough decision to make...

I still have a lot of faith in this team.

As long as Foster stays healthy along with Cushing, D.Brown, Myers, Winston, J.Joseph...

This team is loaded with talent guys. They are not going to fall off the cliff, if they can survive Andre going out they can survive Matt going out.

I see were you are going but quite frankly QB>>>>>WR. It is what it is. I just hope that Leinart seizes the opportunity.

Fili
11-14-2011, 04:24 PM
It was his plant foot too damn... Time to watch Leinarts highlights for some inspiration...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moBwFKY9iaQ

sometexansfan
11-14-2011, 04:24 PM
Call Brett Fav....errrr nevermind. :backsout:

Porky
11-14-2011, 04:25 PM
I have no idea who the hell Lis or Frank is but they just ruined my freaking week!

First Arian pulls a hammy on the first practice and takes a while to get back to form.

Then Mario has a freak injury just reaching out his arm for the QB.

Then AJ gets injured for half the damn season by just running. Wasn't even touched.

And now Schaub breaks his foot on a QB sneak? I didn't like the call then, and I like it a lot less now! I know hindsight is 20/20 but I actually wanted a play fake there.

WTF? You ^#@$!@ Football Gods. I swear if I ever meet one of these football Gods, we're going to go 12 rounds mano e mano.

Leinart sucks. Plain and simple. If it's one or two games we have enough in the run game and d to potentially win, and we might get to 10 or possibly even 11 with Leinart with a weak schedule, but come playoff time we'll be rolled in game 1. No way in hell do we win a game in the playoffs with Matt L.

Wake up Porky, it's only a nightmare. :overreact::kubepalm::wadepalm:

:overreact:

srrono
11-14-2011, 04:25 PM
Texans are one hit away from Yates as the starter

brakos82
11-14-2011, 04:26 PM
Call Brett Fav....errrr nevermind. :backsout:

http://sports.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/jeff-george-still-wants-to-play-football-nfl.jpg

fiasco west
11-14-2011, 04:27 PM
I see were you are going but quite frankly QB>>>>>WR. It is what it is. I just hope that Leinart seizes the opportunity.

I am a big proponent of players having a impact no matter where they play. If they play great at that position you will miss them. Texans will miss Andre, Andre will add a lot to this team no matter who is under center no less a former heisman winning top 5 pick at QB that has worked under so-called guru Kubes.

Not devaluing the impact of a QB, but the Texans have a lot of playmakers. If Carr could make Andre a threat in the passing game, Leinart should not have no problem doing the same...especially with possibly the leagues best Oline and Running game.

sometexansfan
11-14-2011, 04:27 PM
Texans are one hit away from Yates as the starter

:gun:

Double Barrel
11-14-2011, 04:29 PM
It's Houston. There's something cosmically unaligned about this place.

I thought I had reached a point of not believing in voodoo, superstitions, or curses.

But now I see that I was only denying reality. :worm:

Khari
11-14-2011, 04:29 PM
:mcnugget:

There needs to be an undo button that makes things not true...

burro
11-14-2011, 04:29 PM
I say we cut off Schaub's leg with the injured foot and replace it with one of those prosthetic ones that the guys from the Special Olympics wear. I would take that over Leinart.

eriadoc
11-14-2011, 04:30 PM
From the front page of NFL.com:

Kubiak said Schaub suffered the injury when his foot got caught in a pileup on a first-half quarterback sneak coming out of the Texans' end zone. Schaub did not exit the game, however, both of his touchdown passes came in the first half as the Texans relied on their running game over the final two quarters.

I hated that freakin' series and that call when it happened, and I really freakin' hate it now. When it started, I said "OK, over a minute and a half left; let's do a 2-min drill and get a TD". So hand off, sneak, handoff. Yeah. The only real blemish on an otherwise great game, and now we find out it's a really bad blemish.

**** you, Kubiak.

thunderkyss
11-14-2011, 04:30 PM
Damn...This is shocking...

Hopefully Leinart shines and we can trade him to some QB hungry team in the off-season or just keep him as a great ins policy...

How long is Lienart signed for?

steelbtexan
11-14-2011, 04:33 PM
Surely he would have been on crutches if it was broken, no?

You are talking about the Texans medical staff.

TexanFan881
11-14-2011, 04:33 PM
From the front page of NFL.com:



I hated that freakin' series and that call when it happened, and I really freakin' hate it now. When it started, I said "OK, over a minute and a half left; let's do a 2-min drill and get a TD". So hand off, sneak, handoff. Yeah. The only real blemish on an otherwise great game, and now we find out it's a really bad blemish.

**** you, Kubiak.

They were on the half yard line, got lucky to not get tackled for a safety, and were up only 6-0. How could you argue with that call?! This is the NFL. Injuries happen. Dumb luck. Not Kubiak's fault for an injury.

thunderkyss
11-14-2011, 04:33 PM
So is anyone going to ask why Kubiak had Schaub in the game when we are up by 4 scores? Seems like it should have been done by now...

They're saying Matt broke his foot at the end of the 2nd Qtr... he played the second half with a broken foot.

disaacks3
11-14-2011, 04:34 PM
LisFranc injury is what Schefter has heard he has.

Christ, I hope not. A Lisfranc (midfoot) injury is a significant injury that often has a prolonged recovery time. Fracture of the midfoot bones and/or disruption of the midfoot ligaments (Figure 1) leads to pain, swelling, and often an inability to weight-bear. During normal standing and walking the ligaments of the midfoot are subject to forces that are 2-3 times body weight. These ligaments and bones must heal before normal walking can occur and this often takes a number of months. Link (http://www.footeducation.com/lisfranc-injury-fracture-midfoot-sprain)

srrono
11-14-2011, 04:35 PM
a little good news
Kubiak: Danieal Manning is making great progress and should contribute before season is over.

Dutchrudder
11-14-2011, 04:36 PM
They're saying Matt broke his foot at the end of the 2nd Qtr... he played the second half with a broken foot.

I see that now.


So here's the series from ESPN:

Houston Texans at 1:39 HOU TAM
1st and 10 at HOU 5 A.Foster left guard to HST 8 for 3 yards (A.Haynesworth). PENALTY on HST-C.Myers, Offensive Holding, 2 yards, enforced at HST 5 - No Play.
1st and 12 at HOU 3 A.Foster right tackle to HST 1 for -2 yards (M.Bennett).
Timeout #2 by TB at 01:31.
2nd and 14 at HOU 1 M.Schaub up the middle to HST 2 for 1 yard (A.Haynesworth).
Timeout #3 by TB at 01:27.
3rd and 13 at HOU 2 A.Foster up the middle to HST 4 for 2 yards (A.Haynesworth, G.Hayes).

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=311113027&period=2

Looks like Haynesworth was the guy who did it...

TexanSam
11-14-2011, 04:36 PM
For some reason I'm feeling optimistic about Leinart being the starter. Something tells me that he's not going to flop now that he's been given a 2nd chance as a starter. I actually think he's going to look good out there.

Doesn't hurt that he gets Andre Johnson back.

TexanFan881
11-14-2011, 04:36 PM
Christ, I hope not. Link (http://www.footeducation.com/lisfranc-injury-fracture-midfoot-sprain)

It says it can't bear weight....
Yet he played up until almost the end of the game.....
I'm confused.

eriadoc
11-14-2011, 04:36 PM
They were on the half yard line, got lucky to not get tackled for a safety, and were up only 6-0. How could you argue with that call?! This is the NFL. Injuries happen. Dumb luck. Not Kubiak's fault for an injury.

They were not on the yard line when the drive began, and I thought it would have been a perfect time for a pass on 1st down.

TheCD
11-14-2011, 04:37 PM
Even if Leinart pans out ok, I think we are missing the bigger problem:


Eric Winston is now our blindside tackle in pass protection.


To me that spells trouble more than anything else.










Troll/facepalm post of the day (hopefully century):


Anyone know if Carr is available....:kitten::kubepalm:

TdotTexas2Step
11-14-2011, 04:37 PM
:gun:

Patriots fans probably said the same thing about Brady :bender:

Wolf
11-14-2011, 04:38 PM
They were not on the yard line when the drive began, and I thought it would have been a perfect time for a pass on 1st down.

wasn't it when Arian almost got stopped for a safety and he reached over the line? Next play Schaub ran a qb sneak?

Double Barrel
11-14-2011, 04:38 PM
Looks like Haynesworth was the guy who did it...

Why would they even tempt fate considering the history between Schaub and Haynesworth... *sigh*

DBCooper
11-14-2011, 04:38 PM
OMG this sucks.

If you could have picked the one player we couldn't afford to lose, Schaub was it.

Wolf
11-14-2011, 04:39 PM
1st-10, HOU5 1:39 Houston committed 2 yard penalty
1st-12, HOU3 1:36 A. Foster rushed to the right for 2 yard loss
2nd-14, HOU1 1:31 M. Schaub rushed up the middle for 1 yard gain
3rd-13, HOU2 1:27 A. Foster rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain
4th-11, HOU4 0:28 B. Hartmann punt. P. Parker returned punt for 11 yards

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20111113027&page=plays

BattleRedSnoop
11-14-2011, 04:39 PM
This news was a TREMENDOUS blow to me. It came out of nowhere. I knew I heard somethin about a walking boot but I didn't pay too much mind to it. But when this news just got back to me it feels like someone punched me dead in my stomach. I can't believe it. Some people may hate on Schaub but he is a key element.

But looking on a positive side if things:

We have arguably the best running back duo in the league. Both backs on the verge of going over 1,000 yards. Our WHOLE O-Line should make the Pro Bowl. Andre is on the way back and the number ONE defense in the league! STINGY defense!

It's another injury test we have to pass. Arian was out but we got through. We lost Andre and Mario and we got through on BOTH sides of the ball. Andre is on the way back then we lose Schaub. We'll pass this test too. This can be a time that Matt Leinart can prove himself and possibly save his career. He was supposed to be somebody in the league if I'm correct. Let's just pray for the best and a speedy recovery.

Go Texans. 7-3

brakos82
11-14-2011, 04:41 PM
Even if Leinart pans out ok, I think we are missing the bigger problem:


Eric Winston is now our blindside tackle in pass protection.


Brown and Winston may switch positions... a lot of teams typically do this with lefties. Whether or not they can implement such a change in 2 weeks, that's another story.

Wolf
11-14-2011, 04:41 PM
reposting this because it was the last one of the page and probably will get missed

1st-10, HOU5 1:39 Houston committed 2 yard penalty
1st-12, HOU3 1:36 A. Foster rushed to the right for 2 yard loss
2nd-14, HOU1 1:31 M. Schaub rushed up the middle for 1 yard gain
3rd-13, HOU2 1:27 A. Foster rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain
4th-11, HOU4 0:28 B. Hartmann punt. P. Parker returned punt for 11 yards

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20111113027&page=plays

NitroGSXR
11-14-2011, 04:41 PM
Everybody keeps saying Andre's playing vs Jacksonville. Yeah yeah, show me a link please...

Texecutioner
11-14-2011, 04:42 PM
Well this should make a ton of posters in here very happy since so many folks have wanted Matt Schaub sent packing. You guys that hate Matt Schaub are getting your wish now, and you're going to see what the Texans look like without a top 10 QB.

burro
11-14-2011, 04:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5prn6rBHi0&feature=related

This is what we've gotten ourselves into. ****

fiasco west
11-14-2011, 04:43 PM
Even if Leinart pans out ok, I think we are missing the bigger problem:


Eric Winston is now our blindside tackle in pass protection.


To me that spells trouble more than anything else.










Troll/facepalm post of the day (hopefully century):


Anyone know if Carr is available....:kitten::kubepalm:

Actually.....this is the best point made so far in this thread and has taken away most of my optimism...

Forgot that Leinart is a lefty...

Roadtrip635
11-14-2011, 04:43 PM
The thought of Leinart taking the field makes me queasy. Would the league let Schaub play using one of those Rascal Scooters?

imatexan
11-14-2011, 04:43 PM
Why why why!?

Is this a joke? This SUCKS!!!

Hey Houston, you are 7-3 and going into a bye week, time to lose another one of your best players not to mention your starting QB.

I really hope he can be back in time for the playoffs and Leinart comes up big in the mean time.

TexanSam
11-14-2011, 04:43 PM
Fortunately our division is pretty weak. Even with Schaub out, we should still be able to handle Jacksonville, Indy, and Tennessee. We have a pretty simple schedule left and we still have an awesome rushing attack. Hopefully Leinart can manage the game well.

It's gonna be a long two weeks until we find out what Leinart can actually do.

TdotTexas2Step
11-14-2011, 04:45 PM
Well this should make a ton of posters in here very happy since so many folks have wanted Matt Schaub sent packing. You guys that hate Matt Schaub are getting your wish now, and you're going to see what the Texans look like without a top 10 QB.

Again, I don't think that's what the Anti-Schaub group was proposing. They knew how important he was to the team this year, and were more worried about long term.

Obviously, if Schaub were to be sent packing, another QB would already be here to take his place.

Wolf
11-14-2011, 04:45 PM
well hell, if Alex Smith can lead the damn 49ers, I can't see why Matty can't hold the fort

michaelm
11-14-2011, 04:46 PM
Brown and Winston may switch positions... a lot of teams typically do this with lefties. Whether or not they can implement such a change in 2 weeks, that's another story.

I have a pretty good deal of faith that the offensive minds can scheme well enough to handle the switch to a lefty.

mariowillshine15
11-14-2011, 04:47 PM
On the bright side, the schedule still isn't very difficult and if Leinart can at least be average we'll still win the division.

I think Leinart will surprise people, he's no Schaub but i don't think he was given a fair shake in Arizona and think he'll be out to prove he can be a good QB in this league.

Think of it like USC. Foster, Tate at running back, Andre at wide receiver, an abundance of tight ends and solid possession receivers.

If he plays within the offense like he did at USC we can win with him.

Wolf
11-14-2011, 04:47 PM
Jacoby was just now learning how to catch the ball with a clockwise rotation.. now what is he going to do when the ball is spinning counterclockwise

:kubepalm:

:kitten::bender:

Hervoyel
11-14-2011, 04:48 PM
http://media.trb.com/media/photo/2009-12/50957550.jpg

Relax bro's, I got this!

TheCD
11-14-2011, 04:48 PM
Brown and Winston may switch positions... a lot of teams typically do this with lefties. Whether or not they can implement such a change in 2 weeks, that's another story.

Line play is my weak area, so I don't know that much. But I have read that linemen tend to like to play to a side that feels more natural to them. Don't know if that would change swapping the tackles, but I can see how pass blocking a guy coming from your right would be miles different than from your left in terms of how you're using your body to combat bull rushes/swim moves/etc.

Texecutioner
11-14-2011, 04:48 PM
Again, I don't think that's what the Anti-Schaub group was proposing. They knew how important he was to the team this year, and were more worried about long term.

Obviously, if Schaub were to be sent packing, another QB would already be here to take his place.

I don't remember it being that way at all a few weeks ago. I remember several threads where Schaub was blatantly bashed and discussions centered around the idea that he was a choker and how we needed to draft a new QB in the next season.

Well, now people can see what this team is like without the guy and quite possibly they'll learn to appreciate him even though he isn't some high end clutch guy or elite QB. Or maybe they'll love the new team without him. Only time will tell, but Leinart will be the guy that dictates those decisions unfortunately.

myktek2
11-14-2011, 04:48 PM
Kubes needs to take notes from Denver....

If the QB can't throw, don't let him!
I think we can run the option/veer or wishbone....

Double Barrel
11-14-2011, 04:49 PM
We should have collectively felt this coming as Houston football fans.

7-3 is a historic record with this franchise. It was too good to be true for long. :shades:

buddyboy
11-14-2011, 04:50 PM
On the bright side, the schedule still isn't very difficult and if Leinart can at least be average we'll still win the division.

I think Leinart will surprise people, he's no Schaub but i don't think he was given a fair shake in Arizona and think he'll be out to prove he can be a good QB in this league.

Think of it like USC. Foster, Tate at running back, Andre at wide receiver, an abundance of tight ends and solid possession receivers.

If he plays within the offense like he did at USC we can win with him.

I would be ecstatic with average. I'm preparing myself, however, for David Carr levels of disappointment.

Jackie Chiles
11-14-2011, 04:50 PM
Does this mean we are going to have to settle for 10 point margins of victory instead of 20?

Seriously though, can Leinart:

Hand the ball off to Foster? Check
Hand the ball off to Tate? Check
Throw a short pass to Foster? Check
Mix in some throws to Dre and Daniels? I believe he can.

I'm actually a little excited to see what kind of game Leinart brings to the table with our starting offense in tact around him. I'll give you a hint, its going to be similar to what we have been doing, RUN RUN RUN RUN PA. And this is coming from a big Schaub fan and someone who thought he might have been having his best season.

I LOVE the fact that the Titans and even the Jags think this is all but eliminating us from the division title. Won't happen. We are still cruising to 1st place. Defense and running game are playing too well and we have legit weapons in the passing game. Now what kind of seeding and how far we go in the playoffs are going to be determined by how well Leinart plays. I hate that we have to wait a week to find out.

fiasco west
11-14-2011, 04:50 PM
Team should still be able to win without the better Matt 1.

Matt 2 can't be that bad that he makes everyone else on the team worse. Including the defense.

The Titans, Jags, and Colts still are not better than this team without Schaub currently. I don't expect to make a run at the superbowl though, but I never really expected that this year.

TheCD
11-14-2011, 04:50 PM
http://media.trb.com/media/photo/2009-12/50957550.jpg

Relax bro's, I got this!

Holy crap, this is priceless. Someone needs to turn this picture into a meme that says something like:

"Everybody chill the f#(k out, I got this"

fiasco west
11-14-2011, 04:52 PM
Does this mean we are going to have to settle for 10 point margins of victory instead of 20?

Seriously though, can Leinart:

Hand the ball off to Foster? Check
Hand the ball off to Tate? Check
Throw a short pass to Foster? Check
Mix in some throws to Dre and Daniels? I believe he can.

I'm actually a little excited to see what kind of game Leinart brings to the table with our starting offense in tact around him. I'll give you a hint, its going to be similar to what we have been doing, RUN RUN RUN RUN PA. And this is coming from a big Schaub fan and someone who thought he might have been having his best season.

I LOVE the fact that the Titans and even the Jags think this is all but eliminating us from the division title. Won't happen. We are still cruising to 1st place. Defense and running game are playing too well and we have legit weapons in the passing game. Now what kind of seeding and how far we go in the playoffs are going to be determined by how well Leinart plays. I hate that we have to wait a week to find out.

Lol agreed. Those guys are dancing around thinking it's their shot now. Texans ran over both of those teams quite easily.

TheCD
11-14-2011, 04:52 PM
Jacoby was just now learning how to catch the ball with a clockwise rotation.. now what is he going to do when the ball is spinning counterclockwise

:kubepalm:

:kitten::bender:

Hah...I have a friend that played WR in D1, and he said that catching a lefty ball isn't really any different with the exception that it looks weird seeing the guy throw it. I could see how that would still hinder Jacoby though...

thunderkyss
11-14-2011, 04:53 PM
I don't remember it being that way at all a few weeks ago. I remember several threads where Schaub was blatantly bashed and discussions centered around the idea that he was a choker and how we needed to draft a new QB in the next season.

Well, now people can see what this team is like without the guy and quite possibly they'll learn to appreciate him even though he isn't some high end clutch guy or elite QB. Or maybe they'll love the new team without him. Only time will tell, but Leinart will be the guy that dictates those decisions unfortunately.

Are you hoping for Lienart to fail just so "we" will see how "good" Schaub really is?


I like Schaub, but I know he has limitations & his arm strength is the least of them.

But can we please..... please, rally around our team?

Success for Lienart = success for this team = success for Houston = success for us fans.

Buffi2
11-14-2011, 04:54 PM
Trying to look at this unemotionally which is practically impossible but -
1. Leinart, at one time, had some great skills
2. Kubiak is a QB coaching guru. I think that is true even if I don't believe he is the greatest head coach in the world.
3.If anyone can make Leinart successful in the NFL, it is Kubiak.
4.Given all of the backup QBs we have had, I'd rather put the next few weeks in Leinart's hands than any of the others.

And because I can't really be Little Mary Sunshine -
5. If Schaub can't come back for the play offs we are screwed.

Hervoyel
11-14-2011, 04:54 PM
I'm going on record right now as saying that Matt "Hot Tub" Leinart is gonna EXPLODE over the last six weeks of this season netting us either a first round pick in trade after the season or a legitimate QB controversy.

He's older, he's wiser, and he's in the perfect offense for his abilities. All we've seen him do is play with scrubs and backups in preseason. Now he's going to have the first team offense to work with and two weeks to prepare for his return to prominence in the NFL. This is gonna be the comeback story that Bob McNair wanted to see out of David Carr. It's gonna have everything! Action! Adventure! Thrills! Chills! Women in bikinis! Women no longer in bikinis! Playoff WINS and an eventual Super Bowl victory followed by Matt Leinart standing in front of a camera at mid-field covered in confetti mumbling something about Disneyland while staring at Erin Andrews tits.

I **** you not. This is about to get Crazy-Epic!

When I get home I'm gonna Photoshop Leinart's face over the "Mayhem like me" guy in my avatar. Really "You're good!"

TheMatrix31
11-14-2011, 04:55 PM
He's out for the year as per Schefter.

michaelm
11-14-2011, 04:56 PM
Jacoby was just now learning how to catch the ball with a clockwise rotation.. now what is he going to do when the ball is spinning counterclockwise

:kubepalm:

:kitten::bender:


Maybe a lefty is what Jacoby needed all along? :kitten:

False Start
11-14-2011, 04:56 PM
Well, I wonder what Sage is up to?

Naiirb
11-14-2011, 04:57 PM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Filed to ESPN: Texans quarterback Matt Schaub is out for the season with a lis franc injury. Matt Leinart from here on in.

omg why why why

Dutchrudder
11-14-2011, 04:58 PM
You guys are all going into panic mode way too easily. Think about all the guys we lost this year and how we have gotten better as a team each time they go down! We obviously have the best depth in the NFL and should be a lock for the #1 or #2 seed now!

:koolaid::koolaid::koolaid::koolaid:

srrono
11-14-2011, 04:58 PM
Michael_Fabiano Michael Fabiano
Report: Matt Schaub is done for the season.

Austrian
11-14-2011, 05:00 PM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Filed to ESPN: Texans quarterback Matt Schaub is out for the season with a lis franc injury. Matt Leinart from here on in.

omg why why why

Yeah that was what I was fearing. Yeah well screw it. Matt Leinart for comeback player of the year. :bender:

GuerillaBlack
11-14-2011, 05:00 PM
I'm going on record right now as saying that Matt "Hot Tub" Leinart is gonna EXPLODE over the last six weeks of this season netting us either a first round pick in trade after the season or a legitimate QB controversy.

He's older, he's wiser, and he's in the perfect offense for his abilities. All we've seen him do is play with scrubs and backups in preseason. Now he's going to have the first team offense to work with and two weeks to prepare for his return to prominence in the NFL. This is gonna be the comeback story that Bob McNair wanted to see out of David Carr. It's gonna have everything! Action! Adventure! Thrills! Chills! Women in bikinis! Women no longer in bikinis! Playoff WINS and an eventual Super Bowl victory followed by Matt Leinart standing in front of a camera at mid-field covered in confetti mumbling something about Disneyland while staring at Erin Andrews tits.

I **** you not. This is about to get Crazy-Epic!

When I get home I'm gonna Photoshop Leinart's face over the "Mayhem like me" guy in my avatar. Really "You're good!"

And the congregation said "Amen".

False Start
11-14-2011, 05:01 PM
I mean damn, we went from talking about having the number one seed in the playoffs, to losing our starting QB for the season in the same day. I swear this literally ruined my day. :(

TheCD
11-14-2011, 05:01 PM
A little something to calm us all down...

http://qkme.me/35aj5r

imatexan
11-14-2011, 05:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5prn6rBHi0&feature=related

This is what we've gotten ourselves into. ****

I'll take someone who can't toss a ball two feet into a little hole, that is not football.
Hints why it is called and arcade game.

I honestly have no idea how he will do, I could easily see it going either way but this is no indication.

thunderkyss
11-14-2011, 05:02 PM
Does this mean we are going to have to settle for 10 point margins of victory instead of 20?

Seriously though, can Leinart:

Hand the ball off to Foster? Check
Hand the ball off to Tate? Check
Throw a short pass to Foster? Check
Mix in some throws to Dre and Daniels? I believe he can.

My biggest concern is Lienart trying too hard to prove something. This is a QB friendly system, if Lienart doesn't play outside of the system, we should be ok..... just like you said.

I LOVE the fact that the Titans and even the Jags think this is all but eliminating us from the division title. Won't happen. We are still cruising to 1st place. Defense and running game are playing too well and we have legit weapons in the passing game. Now what kind of seeding and how far we go in the playoffs are going to be determined by how well Leinart plays. I hate that we have to wait a week to find out.

We're going to see what kind of coach Gary Kubiak is.

I think the fact that he's been able to keep these guys together is nothing short of amazing. They all play hard & seem to play hard for him.

I thought, in Sept that Kubiak was a good HC, but he needed to prove it. I thought getting to the AFC Championship game would prove it.

Now, with Schaub out, the time we've missed from Andre, Arian, Tate.... if we win this division, I think that should be proof enough that Kubiak is a good HC.

If Schaub comes back for the play-offs, I still expect to kick ass in the post season.

CloakNNNdagger
11-14-2011, 05:04 PM
Schefter said Lisfranc injury.....

CND, heeeellllpppp!!!!

We don't need CND to tell us lisfranc = f.u.c.t.

Treatment options include operative or non-operative treatment. If the dislocation is less than 2 mm, the fracture can be managed with casting for 6 weeks. The patient's injured limb cannot bear weight during this period. For operative treatment, screws +/- k-wire will be used for internal fixation of the fracture after closed or more likely open reduction. Again, the patient's injured limb should not bear weight for approximately 612 weeks. The screws/k-wires are usually removed later, sometimes before weight bearing.


Minimum 6 weeks it looks like?

In the other Schaub Injury thread, I tried to prepare you all for something more serious than just a routine mild sprain by pointing out that the boot was not consistent with this type of injury. I suggested that it had to be a more severe Grade II or a Grade III sprain, the latter in which you would need to rule out an accompanying fracture. If it IS a Lisfranc fracture, don't count on Schaub coming back this season.

Non-operative (in the case of a stable fracture) or operative treatment would require 6-8 weeks totally non-bearing. No way does he return then. He would just be beginning rehab at that time. Strengthening takes time, especially after this type of injury which is accompanied by ligament damage.
If the injury requires surgery, Schaub would probably not be allowed to return to sports until the hardware is removed, which is usually not before 3-6 months after the original operation.

A Lisfranc injury can be a devastating injury which can lead to debilitating chronic pain and progressive arthritic problems. I hope that this is not the case.

Texn4life
11-14-2011, 05:04 PM
I hope Matt Leinart is listening to all of this criticism. We have an offense that fits his skill set. He doesn't have to be Aaron Rodgers with the play action game we have. As long as he trusts the play and goes with it then I don't see us skipping a beat.

Dutchrudder
11-14-2011, 05:04 PM
Matt Leinart: Super Bowl Winner #kubiakbelievesinyou

srrono
11-14-2011, 05:05 PM
ShaneBattier Shane Battier
I am proud to announce this over twitter. I am coming out of retirement to help the Texans playoff push.

TheRealJoker
11-14-2011, 05:06 PM
Nooooo!!!

thunderkyss
11-14-2011, 05:06 PM
Lol agreed. Those guys are dancing around thinking it's their shot now. Texans ran over both of those teams quite easily.

Defense & running game.....

We sound like the Jaguars..

Austrian
11-14-2011, 05:07 PM
So who do we sign as 3rd QB now? Any suggestions? Garrard anyone?

76Texan
11-14-2011, 05:07 PM
Kubiak about to be on 610

http://player.radio.com/player/RadioPlayer.php?version=1.2.12495&station=63

Drew_Smoke
11-14-2011, 05:08 PM
Somebody get #4 on the phone

76Texan
11-14-2011, 05:09 PM
No, Schaub isn't out for the season.
At least that's what he hopes.

Drew_Smoke
11-14-2011, 05:09 PM
I'd be grippin' if it was Orlosky

Doppelganger
11-14-2011, 05:09 PM
This team is absolutely snake bitten. I think first or second in the AFC is pretty much out the window at this point.

The team is currently 7-3 and I think they can definitely beat Indy and Jacksonville. That gets them to 9 wins. The rest of the games will be tougher. I see losses to Atlanta and Cincy now. That puts them at 9-5. I think it comes down to Carolina and Tennessee. I think they can get 1 of the 2 they go to 10-6.

I had them at 10-6 before the season and will stick with 10-6 now.

76Texan
11-14-2011, 05:10 PM
Injury happened inside our one.
Pile fell down on Schaub.
Stadium X-ray showed nothing.

Texecutioner
11-14-2011, 05:10 PM
Are you hoping for Lienart to fail just so "we" will see how "good" Schaub really is?


I like Schaub, but I know he has limitations & his arm strength is the least of them.

But can we please..... please, rally around our team?

Success for Lienart = success for this team = success for Houston = success for us fans.

Stop putting words.

People have bashed Schaub a lot this season and have wanted him gone or advocated that the Texans find a new QB after this season. Well, they're getting their wish much earlier and now he's gone. I do believe that you were one of them if I'm not mistaken after the Raiders game. I really don't care. Bottom line is that you should be happy now, because Schaub won't be out there.

I'm not happy about this because Schaub has proven to be a damn good good top 10 QB. However, I have confidence in Leinart in this offense and I don't see this as the end of the world. His skill set is very similar to Leinart's skill set and if he can make good decisions and make accurate throws which he has always been as a passer than we should be alright and still be pretty competitive. That's a big "IF" though.

The Cush
11-14-2011, 05:11 PM
No, Schaub isn't out for the season.
At least that's what he hopes.

ESPN first said it was a couple of weeks, but now they are saying he is out for the year.

Grams
11-14-2011, 05:11 PM
We are Doomed!

srrono
11-14-2011, 05:11 PM
can Kub lead us to a 7-9 finish?

digitalswim
11-14-2011, 05:11 PM
He is done for the season (lis franc) according to Adam Schefter. Poopy.

Texn4life
11-14-2011, 05:11 PM
Somebody get #4 on the phone

As silly as it sounds I wouldn't be against making a call to him and seeing how quickly he can pick up this offense.

The Pencil Neck
11-14-2011, 05:12 PM
Brown and Winston may switch positions... a lot of teams typically do this with lefties. Whether or not they can implement such a change in 2 weeks, that's another story.

Hell, no. Keep them where they are. Don't change a thing.

This offensive line and its chemistry is one of the things that might be able to save us. (Along with the running game and the defense.)

PsychoLove
11-14-2011, 05:12 PM
This sucks for the Texans! :kubepalm:

fiasco west
11-14-2011, 05:12 PM
Defense & running game.....

We sound like the Jaguars..

Yes but they don't really have a good running game this year and don't have Andre Johnson.

Teams can stack the box against the Jags, they can't and won't against the Texans if Andre is out there. They still have to respect the PA also.

76Texan
11-14-2011, 05:12 PM
Swelling was noticed when they got into the locker room after the game.

welsh texan
11-14-2011, 05:13 PM
Time to see how bad Leinart wants an NFL career.

The league is QB hungry right now, loads of teams in need of an upgrade around so if Leinart can show that he's improved in his time sitting then he has the chance to get a starting job somewhere.

For Texecutioner, I was one of those who had stated that the time for the Texans to look to draft their future starting QB is coming, Schaub has his limitations and while he's good there is the opportunity to upgrade at some stage. The Texans may well have the luxury of spending mid-round picks on developmental QB projects within the next few years, so why the hell wouldn't they start looking? How many teams draft their franchise QB at the first attempt? How many teams wait years behind the likes of Alex Smith while other teams like the Packers or the Pats have maintained success because despite having great QB's they've been grooming the next man up well in advance, I mean, if you can get rid of future HOF Brett Farve and end up with Superbowl rings then you can damn sure try grooming someone behind Matt Schaub.

Don't confuse that with a belief that getting rid of Matt Schaub should be the Texans' top priority right now. Although I'm pleased that on learning this terrible news that could put paid to YOUR teams best shot yet at winning it all, you have found time to point score. Well done Sir.

burro
11-14-2011, 05:13 PM
I'll take someone who can't toss a ball two feet into a little hole, that is not football.
Hints why it is called and arcade game.

I honestly have no idea how he will do, I could easily see it going either way but this is no indication.

I was only being half serious. The verdict on Leinart is still out and I'll be rooting for him to salvage his career with this opportunity. I say that because all we know about Leinart is that he has sucked in the past and will continue to suck until he shows us otherwise. If he marches us into the playoffs and does the position justice I'll proudly eat a serving of crow the size of Texas and give him earned props. Until then, he is just another doofus, bust QB from SoCal.

Ryan
11-14-2011, 05:14 PM
What's Favre up to?


I wish i was being sarcastic.

murdamurph
11-14-2011, 05:14 PM
http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/10/11166/11434798.jpg

Double Barrel
11-14-2011, 05:15 PM
Stop putting words.

People have bashed Schaub a lot this season and have wanted him gone or advocated that the Texans find a new QB after this season. Well, they're getting their wish much earlier and now he's gone. I do believe that you were one of them if I'm not mistaken after the Raiders game. I really don't care. Bottom line is that you should be happy now, because Schaub won't be out there.

I'm not happy about this because Schaub has proven to be a damn good good top 10 QB. However, I have confidence in Leinart in this offense and I don't see this as the end of the world. His skill set is very similar to Leinart's skill set and if he can make good decisions and make accurate throws which he has always been as a passer than we should be alright and still be pretty competitive. That's a big "IF" though.

I hear yahoos calling local radio shows all the time blathering on about hating Schaub and it makes me want to jump through the radio to pimp slap them.

I haven't seen it a whole lot in the forum, but I don't read every single thread.

I've argued that he's top 10 when you objectively look at the 32 starting QBs in the league.

I'm not sure how to process this, though, because the only impression we have on Leinart is less than positive.

And with low confidence in Kubiak, I just can't blindly believe that his judgment about our backup QB will 100% be sound.

Obviously, I certainly hope Kubiak is right in keeping Leinart. It's going to be a much longer two weeks than previously anticipated.

Txn_in_Oki
11-14-2011, 05:16 PM
Just saw the breaking news on this and I think I'm going to throw up.

For the love of all that's good and holy in this world, blow that damn Astrodome up and exorcise the demons!!!