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gtexan02
11-13-2011, 06:12 PM
Watching this defense, with mostly the same players, is just incredible to me.

I realize Joseph and Watt have made big improvements, but still. Wow.

Its amazing what a sane coaching system can do

The Pencil Neck
11-13-2011, 06:13 PM
And Smith before him.

It's insane.

ATXtexanfan
11-13-2011, 06:14 PM
sucked but the blame falls on kubes, he hired him and the goon before him

HJam72
11-13-2011, 06:14 PM
How awful is Kubiak at hiring Defensive Coordinators? :kubepalm:
This is why I don't believe in letting HCs have any say at all in hiring the "opposing" coordinator. They got there because they know one side of the ball really well and assuming they know the other side (which sounds great in theory) just isn't true at all...

I wouldn't let Wade Phillips choose my OC either...

LikeMike
11-13-2011, 06:16 PM
I don`t wanna give any props to Bush... but there is a huge difference in the personell:

Cushing was out half the season
Ryans was out half the season
Barwin was out all the season
KJ was a rookie
JA came in late
no Reed
no Watt
no Joseph
no Manning (although he`s out now)

Still - Bush was aweful. This year`s defensive personell is better than last years defensive personell - but not nearly as much as the improvement on the field is showing.

Wolf
11-13-2011, 06:18 PM
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7341/texanstoast4.jpg

thunderkyss
11-13-2011, 07:13 PM
Does anyone know who the 49ers DC is?

TexanBacker93
11-13-2011, 07:22 PM
Does anyone know who the 49ers DC is?

Yeah. It's Vic Fangio.

DocBar
11-13-2011, 07:26 PM
Does anyone know who the 49ers DC is?Why yes, I do. Vic Fangio. Gee, where have I heard that name before?

sometexansfan
11-13-2011, 07:27 PM
Does anyone know who the 49ers DC is?

Yep our old "pal" Vic Fangio.

HJam72
11-13-2011, 07:31 PM
We could have just kept him until this year... :strangle:

BlueSteel
11-13-2011, 07:35 PM
For me the proof was in the players opinions.

One morning on SR610 Demeco was asked about the defense and he basically said, "We go where the coaches put us where we agree with it or not."

He didn't come right out and say it but he made it clear Bush was not using players strengths or putting them in a position to succeed.

playa465
11-13-2011, 08:34 PM
How awful is Kubiak at hiring Defensive Coordinators? :kubepalm:
This is why I don't believe in letting HCs have any say at all in hiring the "opposing" coordinator. They got there because they know one side of the ball really well and assuming they know the other side (which sounds great in theory) just isn't true at all...

I wouldn't let Wade Phillips choose my OC either...

You do realize that the OC and DC are part of the HC's staff. They are underneath the HC so why wouldn't he have a say, hell he hires them. I know you said its your preference, but has this ever been this case? I think we all agree that Wade and the currents players are making a huge difference. :fans:

HJam72
11-13-2011, 08:52 PM
You do realize that the OC and DC are part of the HC's staff. They are underneath the HC so why wouldn't he have a say, hell he hires them. I know you said its your preference, but has this ever been this case? I think we all agree that Wade and the currents players are making a huge difference. :fans:

I understand the risk of incoherency in the organization that you're talking about, but I just think it's worth the risk. I don't have much faith in coaches to evaluate the guy on the other side of the ball. Defensive head coaches (like Capers) just want the O to run, run, run and don't seem to appreciate the skill involved in O-linemen and coaching necessary for successful QB play. Offensive HCs (like Kubiak) don't seem to have a clue what it takes to get a secondary that can cover their own complicated route patterns and a front seven that can frustrate their own well-coached QB.

Maybe it's kind of like a work-team scenario. Eventually, you will get the best performance if you do not let the workers choose their own buddies to work with, because you don't want a bunch of people that all think alike. You want different kinds of people that come up with different ideas, so that you can choose all of the best ideas (although some will be out there ridiculous) to get the best overall achievement.

All I know is this: extreme success on one side of the ball doesn't mean you know squat about running or choosing the leader for the other side.

ObsiWan
11-13-2011, 09:14 PM
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSYVDXjES5n4ctpPhdCGHoleG31Oiy90 2-3cUnCVsIW6SJs0B3eAg

yeah... because when the DC and OC are hired by a third party (HC or GM) they always have such marvelous rapport
:D

houstonspartan
11-13-2011, 09:28 PM
You do realize that the OC and DC are part of the HC's staff. They are underneath the HC so why wouldn't he have a say, hell he hires them. I know you said its your preference, but has this ever been this case? I think we all agree that Wade and the currents players are making a huge difference. :fans:

Um, but, look at what happens when Bob McNair takes the coordinator hiring away from Gary Kubiak.

If Gary had been allowed to hire his own coordinator, we would be - at best - 5-5 right now - bet on it.

Ladies and gentlemen, this was Bob McNair's doing.

playa465
11-13-2011, 10:12 PM
I understand the risk of incoherency in the organization that you're talking about, but I just think it's worth the risk. I don't have much faith in coaches to evaluate the guy on the other side of the ball. Defensive head coaches (like Capers) just want the O to run, run, run and don't seem to appreciate the skill involved in O-linemen and coaching necessary for successful QB play. Offensive HCs (like Kubiak) don't seem to have a clue what it takes to get a secondary that can cover their own complicated route patterns and a front seven that can frustrate their own well-coached QB.

Maybe it's kind of like a work-team scenario. Eventually, you will get the best performance if you do not let the workers choose their own buddies to work with, because you don't want a bunch of people that all think alike. You want different kinds of people that come up with different ideas, so that you can choose all of the best ideas (although some will be out there ridiculous) to get the best overall achievement.

All I know is this: extreme success on one side of the ball doesn't mean you know squat about running or choosing the leader for the other side.

I get your position...while I don't think Kubiak is dumb to the D, I think he put much trust into unproven DCs. Whatever it was I'm glad his desperation led us to Wade...I wonder who else was on the list, what if Wade hadn't got fired from the Cowpukes? To the topic, I think Frank Bush was in over his head