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thunderkyss
11-07-2011, 05:57 PM
Tate vs Foster
Jones vs Walter
Daniels vs Dressen
Sharpton vs Demeco
Jackson vs Allen
Nolan vs Manning
Jamison vs Smith
Reed/Barwin vs Williams
Mitchel vs Cody

Why does this team keep answering the bell? Why do they not miss a beat when they experience injury after injury after injury? Why is that next man "ready" to go? (with the exception of Shilo Keo who we went out & found a replacement for)...

I think it's competition. The same thing that made Cushing DROY (twice).... he's always had healthy competition with Demeco & they've both been among our best players.

Now Tate & Foster has their thing going.

What if that competition is all over our roster? What if that is the difference between these Texans & last year's Texans?

We're not starting rookies that haven't earned it. I mean Cushing & Demeco started as well as any rookie I've ever seen, but that doesn't happen all the time, to come in & make an impact at MLB, or the kind of impact Brian has had.

Competition.

houstonspartan
11-07-2011, 06:09 PM
Yep. You are 100000 percent correct and I agree on all counts.

I'm tired of hearing people whine "Where's Brandon Harris? He's a second round pick! He should play!"

Um, no. If he's not ready to play, he's not ready to play. Period.

We are so used to tossing rookies into the fire that we automatically default into expecting it.

Nope. Let rookies earn it.

House of Pain
11-07-2011, 06:12 PM
Tate vs Foster
Jones vs Walter
Daniels vs Dressen
Sharpton vs Demeco
Jackson vs Allen
Nolan vs Manning
Jamison vs Smith
Reed/Barwin vs Williams
Mitchel vs Cody

Why does this team keep answering the bell? Why do they not miss a beat when they experience injury after injury after injury? Why is that next man "ready" to go? (with the exception of Shilo Keo who we went out & found a replacement for)...

I think it's competition. The same thing that made Cushing DROY (twice).... he's always had healthy competition with Demeco & they've both been among our best players.

Now Tate & Foster has their thing going.

What if that's competition is all over our roster? What if that is the difference between these Texans & last year's Texans?

We're not starting rookies that haven't earned it. I mean Cushing & Demeco started as well as any rookie I've ever seen, but that doesn't happen all the time, to come in & make an impact at MLB, or the kind of impact Brian has had.

Competition.

Say what you will about Gary, but IIRC, that was the main tenet he pushed when he took over.

ObsiWan
11-07-2011, 06:17 PM
If only there were someone breathing down Schaub's neck
:whip:

House of Pain
11-07-2011, 06:20 PM
If only there were someone breathing down Schaub's neck
:whip:

I'd say that during Schaub's tenure he's had people breathing down his neck just about every season...too bad they played for the other team.

:toropalm:

Wolf
11-07-2011, 10:37 PM
Eric Winston on playing without Andre Johnson and the Houston's depth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYkStxGhdwI)

Texan_Bill
11-07-2011, 10:39 PM
If only there were someone breathing down Schaub's neck
:whip:

:heh:


******************


After all, Schaub is "fragile", no?

kiwitexansfan
11-07-2011, 10:40 PM
Rick Smith, :clap:

TexansFanatic
11-08-2011, 12:38 AM
Competition.

Great post!

Tried to rep you, but...

"Must spread rep....blah, blah, blah."

Tailgate
11-08-2011, 06:38 AM
If only there were someone breathing down Schaub's neck
:whip:


And thats just it.... Replacing Schaub one day is going to be alot harder than people think.

Wolf6151
11-08-2011, 07:34 AM
And thats just it.... Replacing Schaub one day is going to be alot harder than people think.

No it won't. You tank a season like Indy is doing this year and get the #1 draft pick. :)

Rey
11-08-2011, 07:39 AM
And thats just it.... Replacing Schaub one day is going to be alot harder than people think.

Maybe. Seems like some teams struggle with that while others bounce back fairly quickly.

Texanmike02
11-08-2011, 09:25 AM
Maybe. Seems like some teams struggle with that while others bounce back fairly quickly.

It depends on who you replace him with.

Personally I'm happy with him. I would say that all but 5 or 6 teams would be at least as happy with him as they are their current Quarterback. For all of the knocks he has against him he has been pretty successful at delivering the ball.

There are two questions to ask. What has Schaub been and what will he be from here on out?

I think he has been a well above average. You cannot possibly be in the top 5-10 every year in all of the categories he is without being in at least the top 10 QBs of the league. Check here (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SchaMa00.htm). He's been better than y'all give him credit for. He has always played on a team that had a huge hole in it. Sometimes it was the running game, sometimes it was the defense. This is his most complete team yet. He's not a Peyton Manning, to be sure, but there is no reason he can't be a Warren Moon. With a defense like we have right now and adding a true #2 wideout there is no reason this team cannot compete for several division/conference/SB titles over the next few years.



Here's a question, and my prediction all rolled into one neat little paragraph:

I wonder how Schaub will be judged in 4 years when the texans have won 42+ games over a 4 year period. Will he suddenly be Montana? No, he will be exactly what this team needs. He will have been a very good quarterback that is about 8th best in the league. He won't have been able to carry a team on his back but he will have helped load the team on AJ/Foster/Tates back. He will be more than a manager, throwing for 3500 - 4500 yards/yr and keeping his interception totals down. He may never throw more than 30 TDs in a year but as long as he keeps his INT numbers under 15 we will win a lot of games with him.

Mike

thunderkyss
11-08-2011, 09:32 AM
He has always played on a team that had a huge hole in it. Sometimes it was the running game, sometimes it was the defense. This is his most complete team yet.
Mike

This, I think, is the most mind boggling part of the whole thing. He's played at a much higher level when we didn't have a running game, a dependable OL, or a half decent defense.

Now we're just blowing up at RB, OL, defense, & he's not playing at that same level.

I understand Andre is gone & we won three games in a row, but it appears his sense of urgency is non-existent if we're not down by two scores.

Every third down (at least) should be a "must win" situation. I don't want him to throw an INT or anything, but I'd like to know he did everything he could to safely pick up that third & I'm not getting that "feeling" from him. It's like if he leaves the pocket, he's throwing it out of bounds.

That's a criticism I had of him prior to the 2009 season. 2009 & 2010 it seemed like he took a step & was playing with that urgency & he was making plays from the QB position. Now, not so much. If it isn't there, he's not going to make it happen.

Rey
11-08-2011, 09:49 AM
It depends on who you replace him with.
Personally I'm happy with him. I would say that all but 5 or 6 teams would be at least as happy with him as they are their current Quarterback.


That was an interesting comment and it peaked my interest. So I thought of every team in the league and made a list (IMO) of who would be ok with a straight swap for their QB...

Definitely would want to swap:

Miami
Seattle
Redskins
Broncos
Titans
Kansas City
Cardinals

Would maybe want to swap:

Jacksonville (rookie, may get better)
Browns (Colt would look a lot better in our system with our talent)
Oakland
New York Jets
San Fran

Teams that would not be ok with a swap:

Indy
St. Louis
Panthers
Eagles
Tampa
San Diego
Dallas
Chicago
New England
Buffalo
Atlanta
Pittsburgh
New Orleans
Giants
Detroit
Cincy
Baltimore
Green Bay



Ok...So this is all my opinion and I realize that some others would move teams around, but based on my thoughts I'd say that your statement isn't entirely accurate.

I'm not saying that the guys who wouldn't swap or maybe would swap are playing better than Schaub, what I'm saying is that if I take into account the offensive systems, the talent around them, the age of the QB, the physical abilities ect....A lot of these teams, IMO, would not be immediately open to a straight up QB swap....

BlueSteel
11-08-2011, 10:06 AM
If only there were someone breathing down Schaub's neck
:whip:

Prior to the Rosencopter the fans created plenty if QB competition! I hope we get a young talented QB soon that we can groom, I wouldn't mind if Leinart stepped into that role, but I am not holding my breath for him or Yates.

Goatcheese
11-08-2011, 10:23 AM
This, I think, is the most mind boggling part of the whole thing. He's played at a much higher level when we didn't have a running game, a dependable OL, or a half decent defense.

Now we're just blowing up at RB, OL, defense, & he's not playing at that same level.

I understand Andre is gone & we won three games in a row, but it appears his sense of urgency is non-existent if we're not down by two scores.

Every third down (at least) should be a "must win" situation. I don't want him to throw an INT or anything, but I'd like to know he did everything he could to safely pick up that third & I'm not getting that "feeling" from him. It's like if he leaves the pocket, he's throwing it out of bounds.

That's a criticism I had of him prior to the 2009 season. 2009 & 2010 it seemed like he took a step & was playing with that urgency & he was making plays from the QB position. Now, not so much. If it isn't there, he's not going to make it happen.

Schaub is a rhythm passer. He needs to throw a lot to get into the "zone" and really light people up.

Texanmike02
11-08-2011, 11:05 AM
That was an interesting comment and it peaked my interest. So I thought of every team in the league and made a list (IMO) of who would be ok with a straight swap for their QB...

Definitely would want to swap:

Miami
Seattle
Redskins
Broncos
Titans
Kansas City
Cardinals

Would maybe want to swap:

Jacksonville (rookie, may get better)
Browns (Colt would look a lot better in our system with our talent)
Oakland
New York Jets
San Fran

Teams that would not be ok with a swap:

Indy
St. Louis
Panthers
Eagles
Tampa
San Diego
Dallas
Chicago
New England
Buffalo
Atlanta
Pittsburgh
New Orleans
Giants
Detroit
Cincy
Baltimore
Green Bay



Ok...So this is all my opinion and I realize that some others would move teams around, but based on my thoughts I'd say that your statement isn't entirely accurate.

I'm not saying that the guys who wouldn't swap or maybe would swap are playing better than Schaub, what I'm saying is that if I take into account the offensive systems, the talent around them, the age of the QB, the physical abilities ect....A lot of these teams, IMO, would not be immediately open to a straight up QB swap....

GB
NO
NE

are the only teams in the league that would not at least consider a change for their QB play right now. Schaub is without his biggest weapon in the passing game and is spreading the ball around. He isn't turning the ball over much, he is 6th in first downs and 4th in 20+ completions. He stands in and delivers the ball when there is pressure and does enough to move the launching point when needed.

I know that he hasn't been as accurate this year but he is without his biggest weapon and that makes everything go. If you were to take weapons away from the top 10 QBs in the league (esp maybe a top 3 weapon in the game) then you're going to lose productivity.

IMO he's still a top 10 QB.

Mike



Phily and Car, ok because of mobility issues. Who is really getting better

Rey
11-08-2011, 11:12 AM
GB
NO
NE

are the only teams in the league that would not at least consider a change for their QB play right now

We can agree to disagree on that.

I can't see that many GM's open to the possibility of trading Schaub straight up for their guy. I don't see Schaub being as successful in some other systems and I think that a lot of QB's that are not performing as well as Shammy would come here and perform better than they have in their current situation...

Texanmike02
11-08-2011, 12:26 PM
We can agree to disagree on that.

I can't see that many GM's open to the possibility of trading Schaub straight up for their guy. I don't see Schaub being as successful in some other systems and I think that a lot of QB's that are not performing as well as Shammy would come here and perform better than they have in their current situation...

I'm not saying that we could trade schub to 27 teams. I'm saying that Schaub's productivity/efficiency is comperable with most in the league. Of course everyone has pluses and minuses but how many qb's can you point to that are clearly producing better on their current team than Schaub? There are a few more teams now that I think about it but that list is not very long at all.

Mike

Rey
11-08-2011, 12:53 PM
...how many qb's can you point to that are clearly producing better on their current team than Schaub? There are a few more teams now that I think about it but that list is not very long at all.



That wasn't what you initially said and that is a completely different point IMO.

You basically said not many teams would keep their QB over Schaub...or that most teams in the league would consider it...

Schaub has a good situation around him. He is defintely a part of that and not a minus.

But If I look at the situation he is playing in and the offensive system/playcalling I think that there are quite a few QB's that could come in and at the very least play close to the level that Schaub is playing at.

Wolf
11-08-2011, 07:38 PM
HOUSTON—The Texans have catapulted from 30th to first in defense under first-year coordinator Wade Phillips. They’ve held three consecutive opponents to fewer than 175 yards and for the season they're allowing 274 yards per game. They’re fourth against the run (91.4 yards) and second against the pass (182.6). They were last in pass defense last season.

There are two primary reasons for the Texans' rank. First, there’s the competition. They’re coming off three consecutive victories over quarterbacks Matt Hasselbeck (Titans), Blaine Gabbert (Jaguars) and Colt McCoy (Browns). Second, backups have done a splendid job of replacing injured players. Rookie Brooks Reed has four sacks, and at least one in three consecutive games, in place of OLB Mario Williams. Troy Nolan has been solid in the last two games in place of FS Danieal Manning. He has been a formidable last line of defense, and he’s played the run well. When he’s been called on to blitz, he’s applied pressure.

Quintin Demps was signed to replace Nolan as the top backup safety. He had been waived in the last roster reduction. Demps is playing so well he could start for some teams.





Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-11-07/houston-texans-team-report-depth-contributing-to-defenses-success#ixzz1dAEdtCaP

Speedy
11-08-2011, 08:11 PM
This, I think, is the most mind boggling part of the whole thing. He's played at a much higher level when we didn't have a running game, a dependable OL, or a half decent defense.

Now we're just blowing up at RB, OL, defense, & he's not playing at that same level.

I understand Andre is gone & we won three games in a row, but it appears his sense of urgency is non-existent if we're not down by two scores.

Every third down (at least) should be a "must win" situation. I don't want him to throw an INT or anything, but I'd like to know he did everything he could to safely pick up that third & I'm not getting that "feeling" from him. It's like if he leaves the pocket, he's throwing it out of bounds.

That's a criticism I had of him prior to the 2009 season. 2009 & 2010 it seemed like he took a step & was playing with that urgency & he was making plays from the QB position. Now, not so much. If it isn't there, he's not going to make it happen.

Texans are 6th in the league in converting 3rd downs and Schaub gets dogged because that evidently isn't good enough for some? That he's not playing with urgency (as you see it)?

And I'd much rather see him throw it away, even on 3rd down, let the defense do their thing and live for another series than to try and force it so you can have that "feeling" from him, and turn the ball over.

Schaub is 6th in yards per attempt (half a yard higher than last season), 8th in QB rating, tied for 3rd in pass plays of 40 yards or more (already 2 away from what he had all of last season), tied for 4th in pass plays of 20 yards or more, and has less INTs than Brady, Brees, Rivers and Roethlisberger and 13 other starting QBs, and is tied for 8th in TD passes on a team that leads the AFC in rushing TDs.

What the hell else do you want from him, keeping in mind that he's not a Brees, Brady, or Peyton?

thunderkyss
11-08-2011, 08:37 PM
There are two primary reasons for the Texans' rank. First, there’s the competition. They’re coming off three consecutive victories over quarterbacks Matt Hasselbeck (Titans), Blaine Gabbert (Jaguars) and Colt McCoy (Browns).
Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-11-07/houston-texans-team-report-depth-contributing-to-defenses-success#ixzz1dAEdtCaP

You know, I'm tired.... so tired of hearing this excuse.

It's not like we're the only team in the league facing those three opponents.

Baltimore has played Matt Hasselbeck, Blaine GAbbert, & Colt McCoy..... well, they're going to play the Browns, twice. In place of all the other "weak" teams we have played, Baltimore has played Seattle, Arizona, & St Louis, not exactly top ten offensive competition here. All ranked 23 or lower in offense.

Pittsburgh has played Matt Hasselbeck, Blaine Gabbert, & Colt McCoy... Well, they will play Colt McCoy, twice. In place of all the other weak teams we've played, they've played Seattle, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, & Arizona, again all 23rd or lower.

If you want another way to look at it, the Indianapolis Colts have played Matt Hasselbeck, Blaine Gabbert, & Colt McCoy... but they have the 31st ranked defense in total yards allowed.

TejasTom
11-08-2011, 08:50 PM
Texans are 6th in the league in converting 3rd downs and Schaub gets dogged because that evidently isn't good enough for some? That he's not playing with urgency (as you see it)?

And I'd much rather see him throw it away, even on 3rd down, let the defense do their thing and live for another series than to try and force it so you can have that "feeling" from him, and turn the ball over...

I'd rather see him throw it out of bounds as well when no one is open.

thunderkyss
11-08-2011, 09:04 PM
I'd rather see him throw it out of bounds as well when no one is open.

On one of his throw aways, the commentator replayed it & showed it in slow motion with a birds eye view.

In that view, you see there is no one around Matt, a perfect pocket.

You see Jacoby (I think) on a deep route, with a nice gap between the safety & the corner........ it would have had to have been a good throw, but a good throw would have been a 50+ yard completion & possibly a touchdown... assuming Jacoby catches it.

If he didn't feel comfortable with throwing to Jacoby (& I can understand that) there was someone else in the middle, wide te phug open.... I want to say it was OD, but why wouldn't he throw it to OD?

Instead of throwing to either, he breaks from the pocket, head towards the sideline & throws it away.

DocBar
11-08-2011, 09:50 PM
6 of week 9's top passers were losers. 3 of week nines top rushers were losers. 7 of week 9's top receivers were losers. What's the connection? While everyone describes the NFL as a "passing league" nowadays, the results can show something quite different. If a team can build a decent lead and rush the ball consistently, they have a very good chance of winning. That depends on a very good defense. If you can build a decent lead and have a somewhat suspect defense, the chances of winning decrease, probably close to linearly. Green Bay and New England probably screw that curve up though, since they have dominant offenses.
Basically, if a team can do what the Texans do: run the ball well and defend the run run well, they have a very good chance of winning if they have a lead. That seems to be the results we've witnessed this season. The Texans are starting hot, establishing a decent lead and running the ball well. The defense is making the opposing O's more one dimensional and virtually eliminating the run. The end result is a better W-L ratio than any Texan team has had through 10 years through 9 games. That makes the INT at the end of the Raiders game sting all that much more for me. This team, by all means, SHOULD be 7-2 and firmly in the hunt for the top seed in the AFC. Hopefully, the letdown in the Raiders game served as the "any given Sunday" reminder and the team won't lose to any other teams they should beat. Personally, I see 12-4 as the regular season record and at least a trip to the AFC Championship Game in our future.

Allstar
11-08-2011, 10:34 PM
We're not starting rookies that haven't earned it.

Competition.

We start our first round pick every single year. Kubiak puts them on the first team before training camp even starts.

NitroGSXR
11-08-2011, 10:42 PM
Tate vs Foster
Jones vs Walter
Daniels vs Dressen
Sharpton vs Demeco
Jackson vs Allen
Nolan vs Manning
Jamison vs Smith
Reed/Barwin vs Williams
Mitchel vs Cody

Why does this team keep answering the bell? Why do they not miss a beat when they experience injury after injury after injury? Why is that next man "ready" to go? (with the exception of Shilo Keo who we went out & found a replacement for)...

I think it's competition. The same thing that made Cushing DROY (twice).... he's always had healthy competition with Demeco & they've both been among our best players.

Now Tate & Foster has their thing going.

What if that competition is all over our roster? What if that is the difference between these Texans & last year's Texans?

We're not starting rookies that haven't earned it. I mean Cushing & Demeco started as well as any rookie I've ever seen, but that doesn't happen all the time, to come in & make an impact at MLB, or the kind of impact Brian has had.

Competition.

Everyone on your list except for Manning and Reed was here last year. We had the same competition last year so I'm not buying your version of competition. Its an upgraded coordinator to go along with some talent.

... and for having a cream puff of a schedule. We're gonna get killed in the playoffs.

TejasTom
11-09-2011, 08:45 AM
... and for having a cream puff of a schedule. We're gonna get killed in the playoffs.

Remember the Seahawks? They had a cream puff schedule and won first round against Saints.

No one can play Packers every week.

NitroGSXR
11-09-2011, 09:18 AM
Remember the Seahawks? They had a cream puff schedule and won first round against Saints.

No one can play Packers every week.

Eh. Losing to the Saints, Falcons, Giants and beating the Chargers and Bears isn't much of a cream puff. Who do we got this year? Falcons, Ravens, and Saints?