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texasguy346
11-10-2011, 09:30 AM
Sandusky had 6 adopted kids and had numerous foster kids over the years. I keep reading tweets that say there is some big announcement coming out soon. I think this gets worse. Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11310/1187908-454-0.stm?cmpid=MOSTEMAILEDBOX#ixzz1dHPUHX00

http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-i-wish-i-was-dead-sandusky-investigated-in-1998-detectives-listened-in-to-a-mother-confronting-sandusky-twice/

Twitter is blowing up with reports that Sandusky pimped out young boys through Second Mile. They are saying Mark Madden is reporting that on WEEI. No link yet.

ArlingtonTexan
11-10-2011, 09:33 AM
Twitter is blowing up with reports that Sandusky pimped out young boys through Second Mile. They are saying Mark Madden is reporting that on WEEI. No link yet.

http://audio.weei.com/a/48513317/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

chicagotexan2
11-10-2011, 09:37 AM
Joe Paterno is not a pedophile but he and his minions could have stopped the rape that was witnessed and who knows how many future assults. I was real fan of Paterno, but for all the great things he's done in his life for the betterment of kids he effed it all up. I don't know if he did it to protect his colleague or his friend, but he and his assistants didn't help stop the abuse which in my eyes enabled it to continue. He must have known that Sandusky was a predator and pedophile. I don't care if it's an older white male benevolant respected coach or talented eccentric black pop musician who morphed into an older white woman doing the molesting. I would bet my life that Paterno or any of MJ's fans here would never leave thier children or grandchildren in their care after hearing what they 'allegedly' did. To say I am dissapointed in Paterno is an understatement. He should feel shame for what he did and for what he didn't do.

ArlingtonTexan
11-10-2011, 09:38 AM
http://audio.weei.com/a/48513317/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

7 months ago,

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2805308/posts

IlliniJen
11-10-2011, 09:41 AM
I wish Penn State could get kicked out of the Big 10. I didn't believe this until I saw crowds of students rallying for Joe Paterno.

Disgraceful. Get out of my conference! Just disappear.

Vinny
11-10-2011, 09:43 AM
7 months ago,

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2805308/posts

If Paterno and Penn State knew, but didn't act, instead facilitating Sandusky's untroubled retirement - are Paterno and Penn State responsible for untoward acts since committed by Sandusky? This is far from an outrageous hypothesis, especially given the convenient timeline. It looks more and more like the entire University administration is complicit in enabling Sandusky rape, sodomize and perhaps prostitute countless young children.

NitroGSXR
11-10-2011, 09:46 AM
http://audio.weei.com/a/48513317/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

A little help anyone? Transcribe the most important part of radiocast please?

Vinny
11-10-2011, 09:48 AM
A little help anyone? Transcribe the most important part of radiocast please?

Mark Madden drops a bombshell story about how Sandusky's foundation loaned out boys to wealthy donors.

Vinny
11-10-2011, 09:50 AM
The mural, "Inspiration," takes up most of a half-a block outside the student book store near the Penn State campus. Pilato, 43, has been working on it for more than a decade. It contains faces of notable figures in State College, including former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, who was charged last week in the sexual abuse of eight boys.

When the mother of one of Sandusky's alleged victims emailed him Wednesday morning, asking him to remove Sandusky from the mural, Pilato knew he had to do it. http://media.pennlive.com/midstate_impact/photo/10238127-large.jpg

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/state_college_mural_artist_to.html

Honoring Earl 34
11-10-2011, 09:52 AM
Mark Madden drops a bombshell story about how Sandusky's foundation loaned out boys to wealthy donors.

He also said that he thought that the whole 2nd mile thing was a scam just to get the boys to sandusky . It appears that sandusky was forced to retire because he was a child rapist and that he may have been black balled around the country .

RazorOye
11-10-2011, 09:53 AM
at first I didn't think the strange disappearance of DA Gricar would be tied to this - I guess most felt it was a suicide?

But with this latest allegation - if you've got information leading to very rich donors molesting children... I guess I'm starting to see more of a motive to make that disappear.

Does that mean there's a security detail put on Sandusky, now?

Or maybe I've watched too many crime dramas.

This just seems fictional.

NitroGSXR
11-10-2011, 09:57 AM
He also said that he thought that the whole 2nd mile thing was a scam just to get the boys to sandusky . It appears that sandusky was forced to retire because he was a child rapist and that he may have been black balled around the country .

Blackballed around the country?!?! So how in the **** does he get away with it for another 13 ****ing raping years?!?! DOUSE 'EM ALL WITH GASOLINE! Each and every enabler. I don't get the whole pimping out thing. It's not like Sandusky needed the money. Or did he?

Vinny
11-10-2011, 09:58 AM
at first I didn't think the strange disappearance of DA Gricar would be tied to this - I guess most felt it was a suicide?

But with this latest allegation - if you've got information leading to very rich donors molesting children... I guess I'm starting to see more of a motive to make that disappear.

Does that mean there's a security detail put on Sandusky, now?

Or maybe I've watched too many crime dramas.

This just seems fictional.Sandusky is in jail right now.

I'm thinking that the wealthy and the powerful was having a hard time bribing or "convincing" the DA not to go forward and press charges but he may have told them he couldn't honor their wishes. He disappeared without a trace except they found his laptop in the lake. A District Attorney investigating the powerful elite Penn State program disappears into thin air. You can't make up stuff like this.

Honoring Earl 34
11-10-2011, 09:58 AM
at first I didn't think the strange disappearance of DA Gricar would be tied to this - I guess most felt it was a suicide?

But with this latest allegation - if you've got information leading to very rich donors molesting children... I guess I'm starting to see more of a motive to make that disappear.

Does that mean there's a security detail put on Sandusky, now?

Or maybe I've watched too many crime dramas.

This just seems fictional.

Two things that'll ruin a powerfull man , a dead woman or a live boy .

ArlingtonTexan
11-10-2011, 10:00 AM
It looks more and more like the entire University administration is complicit in enabling Sandusky rape, sodomize and perhaps prostitute countless young children.

Honestly, we might just be seeing the death of a football program in its entire. Right now, the goal of the Board of Regents for Penn State is the survivial of that school reputation as viable institution of learning.

Honoring Earl 34
11-10-2011, 10:01 AM
Blackballed around the country?!?! So how in the **** does he get away with it for another 13 ****ing raping years?!?! DOUSE 'EM ALL WITH GASOLINE! Each and every enabler. I don't get the whole pimping out thing. It's not like Sandusky needed the money. Or did he?

I see it as leverage which he had . That's how J Edgar Hoover got so powerfull , he had dirt .

As far as being blackballed the dude said there must have been whispers because a 55 year old DC at the top of his game didn't even get a sniff .

Sandusky is obviously a bright guy who is convincing . You don't get to be a top notch DC being dumb . PSU had the reputation of being a dang good bowl team because given enough time , they would figure out how to shut you down . That was Sandusky and he turned all those smarts into a pedophiles delight . He is a dangerous man .

TexanSam
11-10-2011, 10:07 AM
Honestly, we might just be seeing the death of a football program in its entire. Right now, the goal of the Board of Regents for Penn State is the survivial of that school reputation as viable institution of learning.

Anybody who knew about this and decided not to step forward needs to be fired and prosecuted. Somebody at Penn State has to have some sort of integrity and cleanse the school of these people.

HTown2ATX
11-10-2011, 10:08 AM
Sandusky is in jail right now.

Last I heard (as in 5 minutes ago on 610 with Vandy and Lopez)....homeboy is out on bail....like now as I type at home.

Also, just heard about some pimping scheme. WTF is going on here?

Holy shit throw all these fuqs in a woodchipper.

Honoring Earl 34
11-10-2011, 10:09 AM
Anybody who knew about this and decided not to step forward needs to be fired and prosecuted. Somebody at Penn State has to have some sort of integrity and cleanse the school of these people.

I believe their going to bring out guys on that donor list and it's going to be a who's who of guys who bought boys .

Vinny
11-10-2011, 10:10 AM
Anybody who knew about this and decided not to step forward needs to be fired and prosecuted. Somebody at Penn State has to have some sort of integrity and cleanse the school of these people.
hey, they knew about this nearly a year ago (that's when the Grand Jury did their fact find). They waited till their hand was forced nearly a year later. Sandusky was on the Campus two weeks ago. I'd favor the death penalty for the football program. It's a disease at this point.

Vinny
11-10-2011, 10:13 AM
Last I heard (as in 5 minutes ago on 610 with Vandy and Lopez)....homeboy is out on bail....like now as I type at home.

Also, just heard about some pimping scheme. WTF is going on here?

Holy shit throw all these fuqs in a woodchipper.
Ok, just looked. He is out on 100 grand bail. How the hell was the bail only 100k?

The title of Gerald "Jerry" Sandusky's 2001 autobiography, "Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story," now appears creepily prescient.

The 67-year-old former Penn State University assistant football coach who ran a nonprofit organization for at-risk kids is out on $100,000 bail, claiming his innocence. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-11-08/news/ct-oped-1108-coaches-20111108_1_youth-football-coach-sexual-assault-youth-sports

NitroGSXR
11-10-2011, 10:15 AM
Sandusky is in jail right now.

I'm thinking that the wealthy and the powerful was having a hard time bribing or "convincing" the DA not to go forward and press charges but he may have told them he couldn't honor their wishes. He disappeared without a trace except they found his laptop in the lake. A District Attorney investigating the powerful elite Penn State program disappears into thin air. You can't make up stuff like this.

No. He spent just a few hours in jail. He immediately posted the $100,000 bond and was released.

Arnold Palmer, Jack Ham, and Franco Harris... the "several" other NFL hall-of-famers and coaches what say you all? This is about to rock the NFL to the core...

I am saddened and very angry.

Hervoyel
11-10-2011, 10:20 AM
I would not be surprised if Sandusky's family found him hanging in his garage or dead from a self-inflicted gunshot in the next day or two.

Not that the world would be any poorer, just saying it would not surprise me. I think they should revoke his bail and get him back under some kind of suicide watch if they really want to put him on trial. Who knows, maybe there are people with a lot more we still don't know about to lose who would prefer he silence himself for good?

HTown2ATX
11-10-2011, 10:25 AM
How has someone not capped Sandusky as he is out on bail? Just surprised. Does he have police protection or something?

Runner
11-10-2011, 10:29 AM
How has someone not capped Sandusky as he is out on bail? Just surprised. Does he have police protection or something?

Most people have the morals he lacks.

Or

Most people aren't sociopaths.

Honoring Earl 34
11-10-2011, 10:29 AM
How has someone not capped Sandusky as he is out on bail? Just surprised. Does he have police protection or something?

I guess if there's a chance the DAs vanishing has something to do with sandusky pimping out boys because someone didn't want that known , then he's being hunted by them .

Nothing to do with PSU but it's why I think you have to be severe with these guys .

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Tweets-before-suicide-point-to-teen-s-sexual-abuse-2261520.php

Runner
11-10-2011, 10:37 AM
So. Who would now send their freshman daughter to a school who's powerful football program covers up child molestation?

That's what I thought.

I wonder what other deeds unrelated to this specific crime were covered up.

Dutchrudder
11-10-2011, 10:49 AM
I'm thinking that the wealthy and the powerful was having a hard time bribing or "convincing" the DA not to go forward and press charges but he may have told them he couldn't honor their wishes. He disappeared without a trace except they found his laptop in the lake. A District Attorney investigating the powerful elite Penn State program disappears into thin air. You can't make up stuff like this.

Where did you hear about the DA? I haven't heard that.

Edit, Found it:

The prosecutor who decided to not pursue sex abuse charges against former Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky more than a decade ago, despite an alleged confession, is at the center of a missing persons mystery that has enraptured middle Pennsylvania for years.

Ray Gricar served as the district attorney for Pennsylvania's Centre County in 1998 when Sandusky was accused of sexually abusing several boys. After an extensive investigation, which included testimony by two law enforcement officers that they had overheard Sandusky admitting to showering with multiple young boys, Gricar decided no criminal charges would be filed, according to recent court documents. Sandusky retired the next year.

Then, in April 2005, Gricar disappeared.

His car was found abandoned in a Lewisburg, Pa., parking lot and his laptop's harddrive was recovered from the nearby Susquehannna River, but there was no other trace of Gricar. No clues could be gleaned from the severely damaged harddrive and despite a six year investigation that involved the FBI and international help, police have as little an idea today about what happened to the former DA as they did then.

"We literally used every single resource, national and international," Bellefonte, Pa., police chief Shawn Weaver told ABC News today. "This is baffling. He literally just disappeared off the face of the earth."

In July this year, Gricar was officially declared dead, though Weaver said the investigation into his disappearance is ongoing and new leads continue to emerge.

Weaver said that though everyone has a personal theory about what may have happened to Gricar -- from suicide to foul play -- there has been no evidence to support any one of them. The idea that the disappearance could be linked to the Sandusky investigation, Weaver said, is "highly doubtful."

"Obviously if something raises an eye, it's something we'll look at," he said. "Nothing is out of the realm of possibility."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.Trv1nHLqLbw

Honoring Earl 34
11-10-2011, 11:08 AM
Where did you hear about the DA? I haven't heard that.

His name is Gricar if you google .

Nevermind .

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/gricars_nephew_on_1998_sandusk.html

Vinny
11-10-2011, 11:12 AM
article in response to the kids protesting the Paterno firing This is well beyond "alleged" actions or distorted reporting here. There was a three-year investigation. There was a grand jury which found there was enough evidence for a trial. Sandusky has not been found guilty yet, but that doesn't mean he's not guilty. It just means he got away with it for longer.

This isn't a case of he said vs. he said. It's a case of he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said and he said vs. he said. There's more than just "allegations" here. There's been an actual three-year investigation.

If Paterno was wronged, it was a smidgen compared to what happened to those children who were raped over the years that would not have been had Paterno fulfilled his responsibilities as a human being to show the slightest concern for the victims.

Your response to this is to flip TV trucks and damage private property? Throwing rocks at reporters and police? Spraying them with pepper spray? In the interest of what? Having a coach who did the minimum upon learning of child molestation, tacitly enabling more to be victimized, to coach a football game? Disgusting!

Where is your sense of perspective, Penn State? Shame on you! http://bleacherreport.com/articles/933911-joe-paterno-doesnt-deserve-your-sympathy-penn-state-shame-on-you

Honoring Earl 34
11-10-2011, 11:14 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/933911-joe-paterno-doesnt-deserve-your-sympathy-penn-state-shame-on-you

I got to say Sandusky has already proved he can keep a secret and doesn't have a conscience .

Vinny
11-10-2011, 11:16 AM
Where did you hear about the DA? I haven't heard that.

Edit, Found it: Now that they will have to investigate all the donors to the Pedo club that Sandusky ran, I bet they come up with some leads on this case.

GP
11-10-2011, 11:17 AM
JoePA is a freaking liar and an awful human being. Same goes for the 2 executives. An assistant tells you he saw a kid getting buttf#$@#ed in your football showers and you dont do everything in your power to make sure this guy never see's the light of day?

I dont buy all the "I was told it was inappropriate touching" garbage. You were told exactly what the assistant saw, and went into self preservation mode. Despicable.

But how would a guy like Paterno go about the process of "doing the right thing?"

It seems so easy, us sitting here saying he should have done this and he should have done that. Follow along for a second....

1. You're the head coach of Penn State. You're the oldest active college coach, it's all you know. It's who you are. Penn State, when people think about the name, they see an image of Paterno's face with the big nose and the 1960s eye glasses, and the broad smile. Your bowl appearances and bowl wins are vast and legendary.

2. Somebody approaches you and says they saw Sandusky violating an underage boy in a shower.

3. Shit. I should tell someone about this. But who? So I talk to someone, and I begin to realize this goes deeper than just Sandusky. It's not just some sad man named Sandusky getting his kicks off underage boys. In fact, this thing is WAY DEEP. Big names, big money, people who know people who know PEOPLE. Something out of a Grisham novel. Hell, I begin to wonder if I've screwed up just by talking to a couple people about the allegations.

4. I should quit. To hell with this, and all of the garbage that could evolve out of it. I'm a legend. I've done enough, and if I can't talk to anyone and if it wouldn't do any good even if I tried...then I'm out of here. I can at least walk away knowing that I would not support it in an indirect manner.

5. But wait a second. Why do I have to go away when I ain't done nothing wrong? I'm not guilty. I'm a coach, I'm here to represent the school and I know that I, Joe Paterno, take good care of those parents' kids who send their boys to play for Penn State. Heck, I MUST stay here so that I can make sure that I keep my eyes on things and maintain some normalcy.

Flash forward to current day....

6. What's this letter? It says to call a number in 15 minutes. So I call it, and a voice on the other tells me that I am fired. Just like that. Couldn't even do it to my face, like real men would. Oh I see, so this is how it ends? Some pervert and his whacko buddies with money and power, guys I don't run with and never would run with, are in such a deep mess that now I am also guilty for having been here when they were. I should have retired a long time ago. Dammit. I should have left it all behind.

7. But I am a good man. I did nothing wrong. I had to be there to be GOOD example for young men. I'm a football coach. It's what I do. I should have walked away, but I couldn't.

-------------------------

Just remember, he's like 80-something-years-old. I think for some people, their world really IS as simple as this: I'm a coach. It's what I do. I wake up in the morning, grab coffee, hit the office and look at scouting reports. Drills. Practice. Hit the office again, meet with a recruit, go home and eat dinner. Rinse and repeat. When I think of that sort of person, I think of Joe Paterno--A guy who would be carried out of PSU with a sheet over his dead body one day, not because of a school shooting...but because he died at age 98 while watching game film in his office.

Couple this with what he might have found out is a system SO HUGE and so vast in its reach, and you walk away understanding that sometimes the decision a guy like Paterno "should have made" is not as easy as it sounds.

I'm just sort of saddened that Penn State has so quickly gone the route of cleansing the place so deeply.

Is there even more stuff on Paterno than what we know right now? Not that he was participating or anything, just saying that maybe he's a LOT more complicit than we'd like to believe (even if his complicity was minor in the grand scheme of things).

I suppose PSU felt it had to remove Paterno because of the past affiliation with Sandusky--When you think of Sandusky, you think of Paterno's better years at PSU...therefore he's guilty, in a sense, by mere association with Sandusky.

I believe in simplicity. I think we all do. But carrying out a simplistic idea, such as "I should have quit," or "I should tell the police, or a school administrator" is simple on its face. Complex in the details of actually going through with it.

If Paterno is innocent, meaning he had no direct involvement with this yucky stuff, and his only flaw was (a) not retiring, or (b) not putting the weight of the universe on his shoulders and spending his life and finances on trying to hire people to expose the ring of corruption surrounding Sandusky, then I'm glad he got fired and he can now live the last few years of his life with his wife and let Penn State clean up ITS OWN DAMN MESS.

I just can't understand why people are extending the vitriole toward Paterno, as if it was his sole responsibility to make things right. Yes, by LAW you are supposed to tell someone. And IIRC, the sports media reports said that Paterno DID go and tell someone in the administration. If so, then he followed procedure. It was then the responsibility of the person he told--the administrator--to take it forward and alert the authorities. If things are true about how Paterno DID tell someone at PSU about what he had heard about Sandusky and the shower incident, then what else could Paterno do to be cleared of charges in the minds of the public?

One last thing: I suppose we can also say that Paterno didn't know when to quit. Someone was going to have to make that decision for him. He said he wanted to retire after this season, but we all sort of giggle at that assertion by JoePa. Thus, the school decided to be rid of him and remove a tie to the past; a tie to Sandusky. It was the smart play by PSU, even if it looks like they're sacrificing Paterno for no good reason.

Vinny
11-10-2011, 11:19 AM
But how would a guy like Paterno go about the process of "doing the right thing?"

I just can't understand why people are extending the vitriole toward Paterno
dude, you obviously don't have all your facts. Read the grand jury's findings before you rant


http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1824121&postcount=182

Dutchrudder
11-10-2011, 11:23 AM
^ I can't begin to counter all your points GP because I wouldn't be able to finish the post, but calling the police about this would have been easy enough for JoPA to do. Telling the AD and expecting him to carry it out isn't enough (he may be involved), this was child molestation. There is absolutely no excuse for it, nor the coverup, nor ignoring it. He is an accessory to the crime after that point.

GP
11-10-2011, 11:24 AM
Now that they will have to investigate all the donors to the Pedo club that Sandusky ran, I bet they come up with some leads on this case.

So this thing might be huge.

Donors, maybe even certain school officials, and maybe even various local or state officials. I mean, it could be a VAST assortment of people who have power, money, or both power AND money.

I'm sort of piecing together the history of all this stuff. Am I correct when I say that this has been an ongoing situation that for some reason authorities have not been able to nail down with concrete proof; enough to press forward with serious charges until now?

Vinny
11-10-2011, 11:26 AM
So this thing might be huge.

Donors, maybe even certain school officials, and maybe even various local or state officials. I mean, it could be a VAST assortment of people who have power, money, or both power AND money.

I'm sort of piecing together the history of all this stuff. Am I correct when I say that this has been an ongoing situation that for some reason authorities have not been able to nail down with concrete proof; enough to press forward with serious charges until now?
just read the link I gave you (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1824121&postcount=182). The Grand Jury's findings are summarized as far as Paterno's role and the link at the bottom is the fact find after a THREE year investigation. These are not allegations, these are facts.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2011/1107/espn_e_Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf

Runner
11-10-2011, 11:27 AM
Now that they will have to investigate all the donors to the Pedo club that Sandusky ran, I bet they come up with some leads on this case.

That DA also prosecuted violent criminals. I'm not confidant of a tie in of the disappearance to Penn State yet, but I've been surprised before.

Vinny
11-10-2011, 11:29 AM
That DA also prosecuted violent criminals. I'm not confidant of a tie in of the disappearance to Penn State yet, but I've been surprised before.well, DA's across the country prosecute violent criminals all the time and they don't disappear. I'd say that the scope of this tragedy is more complex and has more money behind it than anything that DA ever investigated.

Honoring Earl 34
11-10-2011, 11:31 AM
So this thing might be huge.

Donors, maybe even certain school officials, and maybe even various local or state officials. I mean, it could be a VAST assortment of people who have power, money, or both power AND money.

I'm sort of piecing together the history of all this stuff. Am I correct when I say that this has been an ongoing situation that for some reason authorities have not been able to nail down with concrete proof; enough to press forward with serious charges until now?

Sandusky started his foundation in 1977 . He's adopted 6 kids and had numerous foster children . They'll have to dig along way before they hit bottom .

Hervoyel
11-10-2011, 11:32 AM
dude, you obviously don't have all your facts. Read the grand jury's findings before you rant


http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1824121&postcount=182


I read the report and had many of the same reservations that GP did on initially hearing about this. The report changed my mind and position.

Joe Paterno is a legend. He's the guy in charge of the poster-program for an NCAA football team. He's not a cheater, he's not a liar, he's not any of that. He's a role model the likes of which most of us never get close to. He's a perfect figurehead and record setting coach. As far the NCAA football world goes he's the closest thing to the perfect example of a coach/program on earth. It's impossible to separate him from the the school. They are one and the same and they are perfect and above reproach.

That's the general consensus of him with many people before this comes out. I bought into the idea that he was this walks-on-water type too and couldn't bring myself to believe that he knew this was going on and didn't do everything in his power to clean this up. He didn't though. He failed to live up to the myth and living up to the myth in this case should have been easy to do.

Has McQueary been fired too? He should be. I see all these people along the chain of events and every step of the way I don't understand why it never ended with "...and then I went to the police" They all seem like their overwhelming interest was protecting Penn State and I can't for the life of me understand why they didn't just know that the way you protect Penn State is you stop what's happening, expose the bastard, and see that he's put in jail. Sure, your school has a scandal to deal with in the short term but then everyone who sees that you did this knows that not only does Penn State talk the talk but they walk the walk as well. You protect the school by doing the right thing.

He's probably got the single biggest cult of personality in sports but it's all gotta go. The taint on this entire program is enormous and seems to be getting bigger every day. I understand what the kids think because it's a simplified version of what many people (myself included) thought but you can't hold that ground because eventually you have to ask "why didn't someone go to the police?" and Paterno can't be who he's supposed to be if he also failed that test.

Turn over ever single stone and salt the earth when you're done.

GP
11-10-2011, 11:32 AM
^ I can't begin to counter all your points GP because I wouldn't be able to finish the post, but calling the police about this would have been easy enough for JoPA to do. Telling the AD and expecting him to carry it out isn't enough (he may be involved), this was child molestation. There is absolutely no excuse for it, nor the coverup, nor ignoring it. He is an accessory to the crime after that point.

I worked in a school for four years, and we were trained that if we suspected child abuse among any of our students...we were to tell SCHOOL OFFICIALS first and foremost.

At that point, you are technically not guilty of covering it up. You told your school official, and it's now his/her job to go forward and alert authorities.

If everybody ran to the authorities without consulting their superior first...you can't begin to imagine the havoc it could create in all job environments that involve minors (kids). The allegation is a serious thing in of itself, and you have to channel it through administration so that the proper people (administrators) are doing what their job entails; Administrative duties such as following up on what a teacher, or coach, has reported as POSSIBLE child abuse.

If Paterno went to a school official, it's not as if he can also go and lead the charge to bring down Sandusky himself. Sounds good, when we're sitting here playing the What If? game, but like I said: This thing is not as simple as we'd like it to be.

Unless Paterno has more hidden away than what we know of through the current media reports, I am having a hard time passing down blame to him for the actions of people above him (administrators) or formerly connected to him (Sandusky). Like I said, he had to go--it was the smart play--but I won't sit here and carve the guy up as if he didn't do enough.

Dutchrudder
11-10-2011, 11:37 AM
I worked in a school for four years, and we were trained that if we suspected child abuse among any of our students...we were to tell SCHOOL OFFICIALS first and foremost.

At that point, you are technically not guilty of covering it up. You told your school official, and it's now his/her job to go forward and alert authorities.

If everybody ran to the authorities without consulting their superior first...you can't begin to imagine the havoc it could create in all job environments that involve minors (kids). The allegation is a serious thing in of itself, and you have to channel it through administration so that the proper people (administrators) are doing what their job entails; Administrative duties such as following up on what a teacher, or coach, has reported as POSSIBLE child abuse.

If Paterno went to a school official, it's not as if he can also go and lead the charge to bring down Sandusky himself. Sounds good, when we're sitting here playing the What If? game, but like I said: This thing is not as simple as we'd like it to be.

Unless Paterno has more hidden away than what we know of through the current media reports, I am having a hard time passing down blame to him for the actions of people above him (administrators) or formerly connected to him (Sandusky). Like I said, he had to go--it was the smart play--but I won't sit here and carve the guy up as if he didn't do enough.

Joe Pa knew about this years ago, and still allowed Sandusky to bring young boys to the Penn State campus, lockerrooms and football games. He didn't do a damn thing about it. There is no excuse, if the AD didn't do anything about it, then at that point you take it into your own damn hands, unless of course you don't have a problem with child molestation or have a 'deal' with him. There is no absolving him in this situation.

Vinny
11-10-2011, 11:38 AM
I worked in a school for four years, and we were trained that if we suspected child abuse among any of our students...we were to tell SCHOOL OFFICIALS first and foremost.

At that point, you are technically not guilty of covering it up. You told your school official, and it's now his/her job to go forward and alert authorities.

If everybody ran to the authorities without consulting their superior first...you can't begin to imagine the havoc it could create in all job environments that involve minors (kids). The allegation is a serious thing in of itself, and you have to channel it through administration so that the proper people (administrators) are doing what their job entails; Administrative duties such as following up on what a teacher, or coach, has reported as POSSIBLE child abuse.

If Paterno went to a school official, it's not as if he can also go and lead the charge to bring down Sandusky himself. Sounds good, when we're sitting here playing the What If? game, but like I said: This thing is not as simple as we'd like it to be.

Unless Paterno has more hidden away than what we know of through the current media reports, I am having a hard time passing down blame to him for the actions of people above him (administrators) or formerly connected to him (Sandusky). Like I said, he had to go--it was the smart play--but I won't sit here and carve the guy up as if he didn't do enough.
sounds like you have been brainwashed by the corporate comrades. If someone sees anyone raping your kid in the anus you better hope they have the integrity to call the police instead of following some bullshit corporate protocol. You haven't read the links I gave you. I know because I just gave it to you and you have been too busy writing contrary rants like you usually do.

GP
11-10-2011, 11:41 AM
just read the link I gave you (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1824121&postcount=182). The Grand Jury's findings are summarized as far as Paterno's role and the link at the bottom is the fact find after a THREE year investigation. These are not allegations, these are facts.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2011/1107/espn_e_Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf

Yeah, I suppose I can't adequately divide up my time (at the moment) to read all of what's out there. Plus, I didn't see any of this stuff when it broke on TV...woke up this morning and read the thread and am playing catch-up.

That's why I prefaced my post with lots of phrases that show I am not claiming to have read the multitude of reports. I'm sure it could be an all-day ordeal to try and read it all right now. I'm home-schooling my kids right now, and just peeking in on the board every now and then.

Will read the linked items you posted. Just having a hard time thinking this mess would have been a lot less messy had Joe Paterno gone Pelican Brief or the Lincoln Lawyer on what is turning out to be a gigantic ring of pedophilia whackos.

If he went to PSU, the old guy might have just thought he did enough and was done with it (in his own mind). BUT...am going to grab some coffee and read up on it when I can. Will be a lot later today, though.

Sad day to be a PSU alumn, current student, parent of a PSU student, etc. It's mind boggling to consider the residue that will linger off this ordeal.

Vinny
11-10-2011, 11:42 AM
Yeah, I suppose I can't adequately divide up my time (at the moment) to read all of what's out there. Plus, I didn't see any of this stuff when it broke on TV...woke up this morning and read the thread and am playing catch-up.

That's why I prefaced my post with lots of phrases that show I am not claiming to have read the multitude of reports. I'm sure it could be an all-day ordeal to try and read it all right now. I'm home-schooling my kids right now, and just peeking in on the board every now and then.

Will read the linked items you posted. Just having a hard time thinking this mess would have been a lot less messy had Joe Paterno gone Pelican Brief or the Lincoln Lawyer on what is turning out to be a gigantic ring of pedophilia whackos.

If he went to PSU, the old guy might have just thought he did enough and was done with it (in his own mind). BUT...am going to grab some coffee and read up on it when I can. Will be a lot later today, though.

Sad day to be a PSU alumn, current student, parent of a PSU student, etc. It's mind boggling to consider the residue that will linger off this ordeal.
I made it easy for you to catch up...hence the link. Grow up and stop commenting until you educate yourself at least a smidgen before you rant (we've already discussed much of what you have written about in this thread). It takes less time to read the cliffs notes shortcuts I gave you than to rant like a fool without the basic facts. Otherwise you are just cluttering up this thread.

HTown2ATX
11-10-2011, 11:47 AM
The DA who was originally looking into this that dissappeared, was a topic on J&R last night on 610.

Now, you'll have to look up whatever links they had found online as I don't have them, but apparently police found his hard drive from his laptop that had all the evidence in a river but could not recover anything from it and later when they searched his home pc were google searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and more.

There are apparently sightings of this guy now and again too in different states.

So, if you want to all Unsolved Mysteries on it, sounds like he was paid to disappear. Also, now that we hear there may have been a whole ring involved.....this actually sounds plausable.

eriadoc
11-10-2011, 11:59 AM
Yeah, I suppose I can't adequately divide up my time (at the moment) to read all of what's out there.

Not intending to pile on, but in all seriousness, you don't need to read "all of what's out there". Just read one single thing - the grand jury presentment that Vinny linked. All the speculation in the world goes away when you read that.

GP
11-10-2011, 12:01 PM
A graduate assistant testifies to a Grand Jury that he heard "rythmic slapping noises" in the shower and saw Sandusky with a 10 year old kid up against the wall in a manner that cops frisk perps and he was being raped. He immediately called his Father and THEY BOTH went to Paterno's house for a meeting. If you are to believe Paterno I'm not sure you are using logic. Let's say he just stopped their story short and told them "I don't want to hear the details, but I'll pass on your allegation to my boss". Logic states that Paterno is a man of deep integrity and is a cultural institution in a powerful University. Why would Paterno do this? He wouldn't. Paterno would ask a few questions if they beat around the bush. If they told him that there was a 10 year old kid in the shower with his Coach, you don't think that he'd want to know everything that happened? Paterno didn't get to be a great head coach by skipping over the main details of any problem to be solved.

It's a massive, gigantic leap of logic to think Paterno didn't know based on the testimony to a grand jury by all the parties. Paterno's ability to hide behind a loophole in a poorly written law that helps large corporations and institutions is another sad, sad issue in itself. I mean why is the law crafted so that anyone in any institution can just say, "I told my boss" and that exonerates him from his duty to protect ten year old children? What kind of crap law is this? All it does is help people pass the buck. I don't remember what the law is called but it needs to be renamed the "pass the buck" law. Its friggin' disturbing that so many stupid people write our laws and "protect" our children with yet more servings of corporate helper.

Last point, I think it is a stretch to believe that a man of deep integrity, a leader of Men, a man who has built a life on hard work and fairness would not wonder why nobody called the police after he reported this to his "boss". If you stretch your logic enough you can believe that Joe Paterno wasn't told the entire truth in that meeting at his house so many years ago.

If you haven't read this (http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2011/1107/espn_e_Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf), you don't know anything. Not directing that at you herv...just to those who haven't read the Grand Jury's findings. Keep in mind, that was 11 months ago and Sandusky was on JoePa's campus as short a period as two weeks ago.

I read the above post. I don't have time to read 23 pages of the PDF you linked to.

I know you're not happy with the Pass The Buck Situation, but it is what it is. In places where children are interacting with adults, such as schools, you are to tell your authority (an administrator) of possible indecencies that you suspect are going on with children and adults at your place of work.

Telling me I am brainwashed for trusting the person I report to, to trust that they would do the proper thing and report it to the authorities, is a slap to my face. By your reasoningm we can trust NOBODY. We must take the law into our own hands and get the police involved.

All I want to know, out of that 23 pages of PDF is this: DID JOE PATERNO PERSONALLY CATCH OR SEE SANDUSKY RAPING A KID IN A SHOWER? From what I know, and I'm going on TV reports, someone told Paterno and Paterno then told an official about it. He was not passing the buck, he was doing a normal thing by getting the proper school officials involved and trying to get some backup so that perhaps the school could find the young man who witnessed the indecency and ask HIM about it, personally.

I don't appreciate your hostility to me over this. Hell, one of the reasons I am home schooling my kids is because I believe I can raise them better than a stranger can. So give me an ounce of credit for protectig my kids from the creeps who are out there preying on kids. Don't you sit there and type shit and act like I would ever condone anal rape of MY kids and that I am brainwashed if I think reporting it to a school official, and not reporting it to cops, is not enough. That was uncalled for. Period.

People have been known to make shit up all the time, just to get back at somebody they have a beef with. In this scenario, Paterno (again, from what I know off the TV reports) said he heard the rumor and he passed it to an official.

As far as allowing Sandusky to continue campus visits, I'm at a loss on that one and it doesn't look good at all. But who anointed Paterno with the decision making power to say he can or cannot come to campus anymore? Maybe Sandusky was being protected by higher powers at PSU???? You can only do so much, which is why he should have quit a long time ago...something I talked about earlier that was a potential way out for JP.

Hardcore Texan
11-10-2011, 12:05 PM
I read the above post. I don't have time to read 23 pages of the PDF you linked to.

I know you're not happy with the Pass The Buck Situation, but it is what it is. In places where children are interacting with adults, such as schools, you are to tell your authority (an administrator) of possible indecencies that you suspect are going on with children and adults at your place of work.

Telling me I am brainwashed for trusting the person I report to, to trust that they would do the proper thing and report it to the authorities, is a slap to my face. By your reasoningm we can trust NOBODY. We must take the law into our own hands and get the police involved.
All I want to know, out of that 23 pages of PDF is this: DID JOE PATERNO PERSONALLY CATCH OR SEE SANDUSKY RAPING A KID IN A SHOWER? From what I know, and I'm going on TV reports, someone told Paterno and Paterno then told an official about it. He was not passing the buck, he was doing a normal thing by getting the proper school officials involved and trying to get some backup so that perhaps the school could find the young man who witnessed the indecency and ask HIM about it, personally.

I don't appreciate your hostility to me over this. Hell, one of the reasons I am home schooling my kids is because I believe I can raise them better than a stranger can. So give me an ounce of credit for protectig my kids from the creeps who are out there preying on kids. Don't you sit there and type shit and act like I would ever condone anal rape of MY kids and that I am brainwashed if I think reporting it to a school official, and not reporting it to cops, is not enough. That was uncalled for. Period.

People have been known to make shit up all the time, just to get back at somebody they have a beef with. In this scenario, Paterno (again, from what I know off the TV reports) said he heard the rumor and he passed it to an official.As far as allowing Sandusky to continue campus visits, I'm at a loss on that one and it doesn't look good at all. But who anointed Paterno with the decision making power to say he can or cannot come to campus anymore? Maybe Sandusky was being protected by higher powers at PSU???? You can only do so much, which is why he should have quit a long time ago...something I talked about earlier that was a potential way out for JP.




The time you took making that long post you could have read it. He linked a post, a pretty short one, not a 23 page pdf.

Sorry man, Paterno turned a blind eye for over a decade, he should have reported it to the cops, end of story. He should see a little jail time for not doing so, not that it is going to happen.

As for the bolded, calling the cops is not taking the law in your own hands dude. And rumor? Eye-witness account is not rumor, multiple allegations from multiple victims and independent witnesses is not rumor, testifying under oath to the Grand Jury is NOT rumor.

Honoring Earl 34
11-10-2011, 12:06 PM
Not intending to pile on, but in all seriousness, you don't need to read "all of what's out there". Just read one single thing - the grand jury presentment that Vinny linked. All the speculation in the world goes away when you read that.

Here we go .....

1998 ... Sandusky gets accused of touching child
1999 .... Paterno tells Sandusky he's through . No other team contacts him even though he's a top notch DC .
2002 ... Sandusky is caught having anal sex with a 10 year old boy in the PSU shower . Mcqueary (sp) sees this and calls his dad . He and his dad meet with Paterno about this . It's gray what Joe knows but he tells his superior . It dies for two weeks and they meet .
2005 ... Sandusky gets caught again in the PSU shower pinning a boy against the wall giving him a ******* . They tell Sandusky not to bring anymore boys around .
two weeks ago ... Sandusky was working out at PSU .

It's probably not all in here but it's close .

Runner
11-10-2011, 12:08 PM
...We must take the law into our own hands and get the police involved...


So calling the police is now vigilantism?

That makes no sense.

Vinny
11-10-2011, 12:12 PM
I don't appreciate your hostility to me over this.
I don't care because it is rude to jump in and rehash questions already answered earlier in the thread. It's rude to jump into a conversation others have had for days without some real basic, basic information and throw down long mind-numbing rants that make this already long thread harder to read. You guys with your own personal agendas and your attention seeking posts need to step back and give a little mb courtesy for those of us sharing new information.

GP
11-10-2011, 12:20 PM
So calling the police is now vigilantism?

That makes no sense.

Example:

I live next door to a person. I heard a kid screaming for his life, and crying like his arm was being cut off or something. So I called CPS.

CPS shows up, the kid has a bruise under his left eye. So now the kid was taken away because the math adds up.

Too bad, for that person, that his kid had been in a fight at school earlier that day...and the noise I heard was a movie playing and a secene where someone was screaming and a kid was crying in the background.

A person's kid was taken away because I called CPS on a whim. I thought I was doing the right thing. It took several days for the person to have the school contact CPS and clarify that the boy had indeed been in a fight earlier that day, but the damage is done--A kid was removed from a home because I freaked out over something.

That's the quickest example I can give. I have said over and over that Joe Paterno, according to reports, went to a superior and reported what was told to him. What else do you do? Vigilantism? It's not vigilantism to report thinigs to the cops, but this situation got away from a lot of people. The only thing he could have done, in retrospect, was quit and walk away because of maybe thinking PSU and its power players were never going to do anything of great consequence to address it properly, legally.

For that, "Yeah, Joe Paterno messed up." But Like I said, I believe in his world the colors turned to gray in a hurry...next up, gameplanning for their next opponent on Saturday. We can analayze this nine ways to Sunday, I just don't see how Paterno himself is guilty of the acts by Sandusky. I feel like Paterno is guilty by mere association.

Honoring Earl 34
11-10-2011, 12:25 PM
Example:

I live next door to a person. I heard a kid screaming for his life, and crying like his arm was being cut off or something. So I called CPS.

CPS shows up, the kid has a bruise under his left eye. So now the kid was taken away because the math adds up.

Too bad, for that person, that his kid had been in a fight at school earlier that day...and the noise I heard was a movie playing and a secene where someone was screaming and a kid was crying in the background.

A person's kid was taken away because I called CPS on a whim. I thought I was doing the right thing. It took several days for the person to have the school contact CPS and clarify that the boy had indeed been in a fight earlier that day, but the damage is done--A kid was removed from a home because I freaked out over something.

That's the quickest example I can give. I have said over and over that Joe Paterno, according to reports, went to a superior and reported what was told to him. What else do you do? Vigilantism? It's not vigilantism to report thinigs to the cops, but this situation got away from a lot of people. The only thing he could have done, in retrospect, was quit and walk away because of maybe thinking PSU and its power players were never going to do anything of great consequence to address it properly, legally.

For that, "Yeah, Joe Paterno messed up." But Like I said, I believe in his world the colors turned to gray in a hurry...next up, gameplanning for their next opponent on Saturday. We can analayze this nine ways to Sunday, I just don't see how Paterno himself is guilty of the acts by Sandusky. I feel like Paterno is guilty by mere association.

It's like safety guy at work watching you do something that could get you killed . Afterward he walks up to you and corrects you or tell your supervisor . That's what his job entails but if it was so dangerous why didn't he stop me . He let me take a risk that I never should have taken .

ArlingtonTexan
11-10-2011, 12:26 PM
Example:

I live next door to a person. I heard a kid screaming for his life, and crying like his arm was being cut off or something. So I called CPS.

CPS shows up, the kid has a bruise under his left eye. So now the kid was taken away because the math adds up.

Too bad, for that person, that his kid had been in a fight at school earlier that day...and the noise I heard was a movie playing and a secene where someone was screaming and a kid was crying in the background.

A person's kid was taken away because I called CPS on a whim. I thought I was doing the right thing. It took several days for the person to have the school contact CPS and clarify that the boy had indeed been in a fight earlier that day, but the damage is done--A kid was removed from a home because I freaked out over something.

That's the quickest example I can give. I have said over and over that Joe Paterno, according to reports, went to a superior and reported what was told to him. What else do you do? Vigilantism? It's not vigilantism to report thinigs to the cops, but this situation got away from a lot of people. The only thing he could have done, in retrospect, was quit and walk away because of maybe thinking PSU and its power players were never going to do anything of great consequence to address it properly, legally.

For that, "Yeah, Joe Paterno messed up." But Like I said, I believe in his world the colors turned to gray in a hurry...next up, gameplanning for their next opponent on Saturday. We can analayze this nine ways to Sunday, I just don't see how Paterno himself is guilty of the acts by Sandusky. I feel like Paterno is guilty by mere association.


So again, you want come with unrelated examples, instead of taking even a a couple of minutes to find out why people have specific opinions about this subject. None are denying your examples, but you are denying the specifics of the current conversation. That's we are and should be hostile to you, because are not respectful to us.

You have the right to express an opinion and we in trun have right to evaluate and in turn tell you why your opionion is meaningless.

Vinny
11-10-2011, 12:27 PM
That's the quickest example I can give. I have said over and over that Joe Paterno, according to reports, went to a superior and reported what was told to him. What else do you do? Vigilantism? It's not vigilantism to report thinigs to the cops, but this situation got away from a lot of people. The only thing he could have done, in retrospect, was quit and walk away because of maybe thinking PSU and its power players were never going to do anything of great consequence to address it properly, legally.

For that, "Yeah, Joe Paterno messed up." But Like I said, I believe in his world the colors turned to gray in a hurry...next up, gameplanning for their next opponent on Saturday. We can analayze this nine ways to Sunday, I just don't see how Paterno himself is guilty of the acts by Sandusky. I feel like Paterno is guilty by mere association.A Grad student comes to your home with his Father and tells you he hears "rhythmic slapping noises" coming from the shower, then investigates and then see's your linebacker coach plowing some 10 year old boy in the anus, spread eagle in your shower, and you think its ok to just "tell your boss". This is a morally vacant position, no way around it. I'm sorry that I know this about you now. Some of you guys are so quick to destroy your credibility and reputation around here just to hear yourself talk...amazes me.

NitroGSXR
11-10-2011, 12:27 PM
Example:

I live next door to a person. I heard a kid screaming for his life, and crying like his arm was being cut off or something. So I called CPS.

CPS shows up, the kid has a bruise under his left eye. So now the kid was taken away because the math adds up.

Too bad, for that person, that his kid had been in a fight at school earlier that day...and the noise I heard was a movie playing and a secene where someone was screaming and a kid was crying in the background.

A person's kid was taken away because I called CPS on a whim. I thought I was doing the right thing. It took several days for the person to have the school contact CPS and clarify that the boy had indeed been in a fight earlier that day, but the damage is done--A kid was removed from a home because I freaked out over something.

That's the quickest example I can give. I have said over and over that Joe Paterno, according to reports, went to a superior and reported what was told to him. What else do you do? Vigilantism? It's not vigilantism to report thinigs to the cops, but this situation got away from a lot of people. The only thing he could have done, in retrospect, was quit and walk away because of maybe thinking PSU and its power players were never going to do anything of great consequence to address it properly, legally.

For that, "Yeah, Joe Paterno messed up." But Like I said, I believe in his world the colors turned to gray in a hurry...next up, gameplanning for their next opponent on Saturday. We can analayze this nine ways to Sunday, I just don't see how Paterno himself is guilty of the acts by Sandusky. I feel like Paterno is guilty by mere association.

You were actively hearing a child scream and you call... CPS?

:facepalm:

I would have called the police.

FYI, my house is super L-O-U-D. We scream at the top of our lungs and stomp floors like monkeys here. It's a Deaf family thing.

GP
11-10-2011, 12:27 PM
I don't care because it is rude to jump in and rehash questions already answered earlier in the thread. It's rude to jump into a conversation others have had for days without some real basic, basic information and throw down long mind-numbing rants that make this already long thread harder to read. You guys with your own personal agendas and your attention seeking posts need to step back and give a little mb courtesy for those of us sharing new information.

It's rude to make blanket statements about me and what I would do about my kid if she were raped, just to try and put me in my place over this.

We can argue, you can say I'm a dumbass for not readin a 23-page legal document, whatever. But don't get personal with bringing my kids into it. I would never dare to go there with you and your loved ones, I will never sit here and allow you to get away with that against me. NEVER.

You crossed a line because you wanted to put me in my place, and you thought the quickest route to that destination would be to expose me as being somebody who passes the buck with other kids but would never want someone to pass the buck if it were an indecency with MY kids. Tell me how I'm wrong in this analysis here, Vinny. You crossed a line.

I'm sorry I didn't read your links. I'm sorry I jumped into the discussion. How that sort of error on my behalf allows you to be rude to the point of going where you went with it??? Wow.

I'll leave now. I've made my statement about how Paterno is not nearly the villains he's being made out to be. The anger should be channeled toward the real criminals, IMO.

HTown2ATX
11-10-2011, 12:29 PM
I feel like Paterno is guilty by mere association.

GP.....c'mon man.

No one is saying Joe Pa touched these kids. But he would have to be a moron to have the report he got and years later still see Sandusky walking around PSU campus. Even in his old age Joe Pa would have realized "Hey, don't men that touch boys usually go to jail? :thinking: I should probably follow up on this."

He failed and probably enable years more of this abuse. Plus now we are getting reports of basically a kiddie brothel.

Dude, c'mon man. Not trying to attack you so much as I am suprised to see you take this position is all.

Unfortunately I'm still on the run all day at work so I don't have time to expand much and have to just keep doing drive by hits.....

Vinny
11-10-2011, 12:31 PM
It's rude to make blanket statements about me and what I would do about my kid if she were raped, just to try and put me in my place over this.

We can argue, you can say I'm a dumbass for not readin a 23-page legal document, whatever. But don't get personal with bringing my kids into it. I would never dare to go there with you and your loved ones, I will never sit here and allow you to get away with that against me. NEVER.

You crossed a line because you wanted to put me in my place, and you thought the quickest route to that destination would be to expose me as being somebody who passes the buck with other kids but would never want someone to pass the buck if it were an indecency with MY kids. Tell me how I'm wrong in this analysis here, Vinny. You crossed a line.

I'm sorry I didn't read your links. I'm sorry I jumped into the discussion. How that sort of error on my behalf allows you to be rude to the point of going where you went with it??? Wow.

I'll leave now. I've made my statement about how Paterno is not nearly the villains he's being made out to be. The anger should be channeled toward the real criminals, IMO.
go take your meds pards. You are totally incoherent now. I described the friggin' Paterno situation you fool.

Hervoyel
11-10-2011, 12:33 PM
I don't think I have anything else to say in this thread. I'm stuck between wanting to see justice done and never wanting to hear about this subject again. The last thing I want to do is talk about it some more.

srrono
11-10-2011, 12:36 PM
Joe Pa complaining about how he was fired, by a phone call, maybe he should have made a phone call a long time ago and this would have been stoped before so many more kids got hurt.

Runner
11-10-2011, 12:36 PM
It's rude to make blanket statements about me and what I would do about my kid if she were raped, just to try and put me in my place over this.

We can argue, you can say I'm a dumbass for not readin a 23-page legal document, whatever. But don't get personal with bringing my kids into it. I would never dare to go there with you and your loved ones, I will never sit here and allow you to get away with that against me. NEVER.

You crossed a line because you wanted to put me in my place, and you thought the quickest route to that destination would be to expose me as being somebody who passes the buck with other kids but would never want someone to pass the buck if it were an indecency with MY kids. Tell me how I'm wrong in this analysis here, Vinny. You crossed a line.

I'm sorry I didn't read your links. I'm sorry I jumped into the discussion. How that sort of error on my behalf allows you to be rude to the point of going where you went with it??? Wow.

I'll leave now. I've made my statement about how Paterno is not nearly the villains he's being made out to be. The anger should be channeled toward the real criminals, IMO.

Your post made it clear that passing the buck is OK with you. No one else has to help define that. Passing the buck is also why this is a scandal. Had the cops been called, it would have been a crime that happened ten years ago.

Honoring Earl 34
11-10-2011, 12:37 PM
Your post made it clear that passing the buck is OK with you. No one else has to help define that. Passing the buck is also why this is a scandal. Had the cops been called, it would have been a crime that happened ten years ago.

If it takes a whole village to raise one child then the village turned their back .

HTown2ATX
11-10-2011, 12:39 PM
Joe Pa complaining about how he was fired, by a phone call, maybe he should have made a phone call a long time ago and this would have been stoped before so many more kids got hurt.

DING, DING DING!!!!

Exactly. Why is this hard to understand??:gun:

toronto
11-10-2011, 12:42 PM
I don't think I have anything else to say in this thread. I'm stuck between wanting to see justice done and never wanting to hear about this subject again. The last thing I want to do is talk about it some more.

I'm pretty much here too. It's exhausting, depressing and does nothing but anger me every time I get anywhere near this subject...and the nature of my job means I've had to work this story non-stop.

My only wish? That they had cancelled PSU's game this Saturday. Even without Paterno, its going to be a 106,000 person pep rally for that old geezer, and now IMO? That pathetic morally bankrupt old geezer.

Think I'm done here unless something new pisses me off. :vincepalm:

Hardcore Texan
11-10-2011, 12:42 PM
It's rude to make blanket statements about me and what I would do about my kid if she were raped, just to try and put me in my place over this.

We can argue, you can say I'm a dumbass for not readin a 23-page legal document, whatever. But don't get personal with bringing my kids into it. I would never dare to go there with you and your loved ones, I will never sit here and allow you to get away with that against me. NEVER.

You crossed a line because you wanted to put me in my place, and you thought the quickest route to that destination would be to expose me as being somebody who passes the buck with other kids but would never want someone to pass the buck if it were an indecency with MY kids. Tell me how I'm wrong in this analysis here, Vinny. You crossed a line.

I'm sorry I didn't read your links. I'm sorry I jumped into the discussion. How that sort of error on my behalf allows you to be rude to the point of going where you went with it??? Wow.

I'll leave now. I've made my statement about how Paterno is not nearly the villains he's being made out to be. The anger should be channeled toward the real criminals, IMO.

I took it as him using "you" in the general sense, clearly not you specifically. Your grasping at straws man........and not making a lot of sense here, just random made up what if's.

Runner
11-10-2011, 12:43 PM
Example:

I live next door to a person. I heard a kid screaming for his life, and crying like his arm was being cut off or something. So I called CPS.

CPS shows up, the kid has a bruise under his left eye. So now the kid was taken away because the math adds up.

Too bad, for that person, that his kid had been in a fight at school earlier that day...and the noise I heard was a movie playing and a secene where someone was screaming and a kid was crying in the background.

A person's kid was taken away because I called CPS on a whim. I thought I was doing the right thing. It took several days for the person to have the school contact CPS and clarify that the boy had indeed been in a fight earlier that day, but the damage is done--A kid was removed from a home because I freaked out over something.



Calling the cops in response to a crime is the opposite of vigilantism. I realize you can continue to make bad examples to try and refute this, but that says more about your willingness to twist reality to back your rants than anything else.

Passing the buck and letting the matter drop when it is clear nothing was done is enabling the crime.

cuppacoffee
11-10-2011, 12:53 PM
I'm pretty much here too. It's exhausting, depressing and does nothing but anger me every time I get anywhere near this subject...and the nature of my job means I've had to work this story non-stop.

My only wish? That they had cancelled PSU's game this Saturday. Even without Paterno, its going to be a 106,000 person pep rally for that old geezer, and now IMO? That pathetic morally bankrupt old geezer.

Think I'm done here unless something new pisses me off. :vincepalm:


Lots of anger expressed here by most on this subject. Even toward each other.

I agree about cancelling the game, but we know that will not happen. $

Maybe someone could start a national movement to black ball the TV broadcast.

I wish I knew how.

:coffee:

Runner
11-10-2011, 12:54 PM
Public service announcement:

Since this is all over the news and conversations now, kids are hearing about it. It might be good time to reinforce with your kids that it isn't just the creepy stranger, but also the trusted adult who might have bad intentions. Balancing between too much trust, looking for warning signs, and outright paranoia is a little tricky...

Hardcore Texan
11-10-2011, 01:04 PM
Public service announcement:

Since this is all over the news and conversations now, kids are hearing about it. It might be good time to reinforce with your kids that it isn't just the creepy stranger, but also the trusted adult who might have bad intentions. Balancing between too much trust, looking for warning signs, and outright paranoia is a little tricky...

Great post, I meant to put up something similiar yesterday.

My wife and took this as a reminder to set our 6 year old down and remind her that no one no matter who they are, should not be touching her inappropriately and to report these actions if they occur no matter what the person might say or threaten.

Everyone knows about stranger danger, they even teach it to kids at school, but as you said often times you read about people that are not strangers at all committing these acts.

HTown2ATX
11-10-2011, 01:05 PM
Public service announcement:

Since this is all over the news and conversations now, kids are hearing about it. It might be good time to reinforce with your kids that it isn't just the creepy stranger, but also the trusted adult who might have bad intentions. Balancing between too much trust, looking for warning signs, and outright paranoia is a little tricky...

Exactly. My daughter is only 5, so she probably is oblivious to all this right now. But I may just have a talk with her next weekend when I have her.

Hardcore Texan
11-10-2011, 01:09 PM
Exactly. My daughter is only 5, so she probably is oblivious to all this right now. But I may just have a talk with her next weekend when I have her.

I think we first told our 6 year old when she was 4 and do it about once a year. The first thing we did was ask her "who is allowed to touch you in your private parts". I smiled so big when she got the answer perfect, she knew off the top of her head.

Can't be too careful and IMHO 5 years old is old enough to understand. My oldest daughter is 14 so this has been drummed in her head for years. I have 16 month old that will get the same lesson as soon as I know she understands.

HTown2ATX
11-10-2011, 01:14 PM
I think we first told our 6 year old when she was 4 and do it about once a year. The first thing we did was ask her "who is allowed to touch you in your private parts". I smiled so big when she got the answer perfect, she knew off the top of her head.

Can't be too careful and IMHO 5 years old is old enough to understand. My oldest daughter is 14 so this has been drummed in her head for years. I have 16 month old that will get the same lesson as soon as I know she understands.

Yeah, I'm sure she's old enough for the talk, she's a damn smart kid, I just haven't had it with her yet. The oblivious thing was more about the news as I have no idea whether or not her mom and step dad are watching and talking about this or what as far as the PSU case.

But yeah, this case made me decide it's time to have the talk with her.

srrono
11-10-2011, 01:51 PM
Tony Dungys thoughts


Dungy's Diary

Accountability and Penn State

I have, like most football fans, been following the events as they have unfolded at Penn State regarding Coach Joe Paterno and the football program. Having known Coach Paterno and Jerry Sandusky, the coach who has been charged in the allegations, I am shocked at what has been alleged to have taken place. I have always had the utmost respect for Coach Paterno and the way things have been run at Penn State. I have played with, and coached, many players from there and they all have nothing but incredible things to say about him.

That being said, though, I believe the University had no other choice in this matter than to accept his resignation or force him to step down. I think they made the right move in ousting the President of the University as well. When something of this magnitude happens I think everyone in a leadership position is responsible. Whether it is directly your fault or not, it has taken place under your watch and there is no way that public confidence could ever be regained without a change in leadership.

I also think this is a reminder to all of us that we have a responsibility to hold each other accountable, no matter what. It doesn’t matter if it is a subordinate, a co-worker or your boss. If something is taking place that is wrong, we have to address it and make sure action is taken. I’m sure there are a lot of people at Penn State who are saying in hindsight, ”I wish I had said something–I wish I had done something.” When it involves something as serious as child abuse, we can’t afford to assume that someone else will handle it. We have to act. It’s just sad that it appears so many children were hurt as we were learning this lesson.

http://www.allprodad.com/dungy/2011/11/10/accountability-and-penn-state/

Dutchrudder
11-10-2011, 02:08 PM
Students rioting over Jo Pa's firing:
http://i.usatoday.net/news/gallery/2011/n111110_pennriot/01-pg-horizontal.jpg
http://i.usatoday.net/news/gallery/2011/n111110_pennriot/11-pg-horizontal.jpg
http://i.usatoday.net/news/gallery/2011/n111110_pennriot/10-pg-horizontal.jpg
http://i.usatoday.net/news/gallery/2011/n111110_pennriot/08-pg-horizontal.jpg
http://i.usatoday.net/news/gallery/2011/n111110_pennriot/09-pg-horizontal.jpg


http://mediagallery.usatoday.com/S165982#.Trv0bNskYYg.facebook

Vinny
11-10-2011, 02:09 PM
The man who witnessed Jerry Sandusky allegedly rape a pre-teen boy in the Penn State locker room in 2002 WILL be allowed to continue as a receivers coach when the team plays Nebraska on Saturday ... this according to the new Penn State head coach Tom Bradley.

Bradley was just officially introduced as Joe Paterno's temporary replacement -- and stated, "Right now Mike McQueary will be coaching on Saturday."

McQueary was a 28-year-old graduate assistant in 2002, when he claims he witnessed Sandusky raping a little boy in the Penn State showers. McQueary reported the incident to Joe Paterno -- but never called police. http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/10/mike-mcqueary-penn-state-tom-bradley-joe-paterno/#.Trwg7_SArWI

Dutchrudder
11-10-2011, 02:17 PM
The Second Mile's website: http://www.thesecondmile.org/welcome.php


Anyone recognize any of these names? There are a lot of people affiliated with this charity.

Board of Directors: State Board of Directors

Bob Poole, Chairperson

President and CEO, S & A Homes and Poole Anderson Construction

Jack Raykovitz, President

The Second Mile

Dave Woodle, Vice Chairperson

Chairman & CEO, NanoHorizons, Inc.

Lauren Shank, Secretary

Corporate Attorney & Community Volunteer

Bill Martin, Treasurer

Certified Financial Planner, Wienken & Associates

Bill Anderson - Regional Sales Director, OptumHealth

Cliff Benson - Retired, Deloitte Tax LLP

Jerry Burton - Certified Brain Specialist

Don Carlino - President, Airgas Safety, Inc.

Jake Corman - Pennsylvania State Senator

Neal DeAngelo - Owner, DeAngelo Brothers, Inc.

Eddie Dunklebarger - Vice Chairman and President, Susquehanna Bancshares, Inc.

Todd Erdley - President and CEO, Videon Central

Ken Ewing - Retired, Hershey Foods Corporation

Mike Fiaschetti - Senior Vice President, Highmark Blue Shield

Michael Fiore - Executive Vice President, Leonard S. Fiore, Inc.

Linda Gall - Community Volunteer

Bruce Heim - Chairman, Keystone Real Estate Group, LP

Dottie Huck - Community Volunteer

Dick Kile - President, Tri-Emerald Financial Group

Tom Knepley - Sales and Marketing Coordinator, Techbldrs

Mike Kuntz - Senior Vice President, Turner Construction

Debra McCarthy - Community Volunteer

Daryl Milliner – Regional Vice President, Paradigm Partners

Melanie Naro - Attorney

Heidi Nicholas - Real Estate Developer & Manager

Mike O’Donnell - Founding Partner, AGs&M

Chuck Pearson - Retired Bank Chairman, Waypoint Financial

Eric Peterson - Tax Partner, Walz, Deihm, Geisenberger, Bucklen & Tennis, PC

Al Pringle - Real Estate Appraiser/Developer

Nancy Ring - Realtor, REMAX Centre County

Ray Roundtree - Regional Vice President of Finance, Comcast Cable

DrueAnne Schreyer - Community Volunteer

Louie Sheetz - Executive Vice President Marketing, Sheetz, Inc.

Fred Strouse - Realtor, Kissinger Bigatel Brower

Ric Struthers - Retired, Bank of America

Mike Sullivan - Owner, Automated Records Center

The Honorary members are quite famous too:

Board of Directors: Honorary Board

John R. Cappelletti - Retired PSU & NFL Football Player, Heisman Trophy Winner

R. R. M. Carpenter, III - Former Owner, Philadelphia Phillies

James E. Ford - Retired Vice President, Kmart

William A. Gettig - President, Gettig Technologies, Inc.

Jack Ham - Retired NFL Player, Pittsburgh Steelers, Hall of Fame

Franco Harris - Retired NFL Player, Pittsburgh Steelers, Hall of Fame

Dr. Bryce Jordan - Retired, Penn State University President

Willi Maier - President, Omni Plastics, Inc.

Matt Millen - ESPN Football Analyst

Arnold D. Palmer - President, Arnold Palmer Enterprises

Andy Reid - Head Football Coach, Philadelphia Eagles

Dr. John Reidell - General Surgeon, Past Second Mile Board President

Dominic Toscani - Owner & President, Paris Business Forms

Richard Vermeil - Retired NFL Head Coach, (Kansas City Chiefs, St. Louis Rams, Philadelphia Eagles)

Mark Wahlberg - Actor, Rapper, and Film & TV Producer

Verne Willaman - Retired Chairman and President, Ortho Pharmaceutical Corp.

Quentin Wood - Retired Chairman and CEO, Quaker State Oil Refining Corp.

Richard A. Zimmerman - Retired Chairman of the Board, Hershey Foods

Runner
11-10-2011, 02:20 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/10/mike-mcqueary-penn-state-tom-bradley-joe-paterno/#.Trwg7_SArWI

One bad decision after another here. This guy should have been shown the door. He saw it going on and turned around and let it finish. He didn't call the cops. He told his boss the next day*.

*and this puts him in the clear, apparently.

======

One report said the boy saw him witness the incident. What do you think that kid thought when a should-have-been-rescuer turned his back and walked away? I'm sure it wasn't, "Good, he's probably going to go tell JoPa".

Honoring Earl 34
11-10-2011, 02:22 PM
One bad decision after another here. This guy should have been shown the door. He saw it going on and turned around and let it finish. He didn't call the cops. He told his boss the next day*.

*and this puts him in the clear, apparently.

======

One report said the boy saw him witness the incident. What do you think that kid thought when a should-have-been-rescuer turned his back and walked away? I'm sure it wasn't, "Good, he's probably going to go tell JoPa".

Another viewpoint on that subject .

http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/128591/only_a_coward_sees_a

chicagotexan2
11-10-2011, 02:24 PM
Students rioting over Jo Pa's firing:
http://i.usatoday.net/news/gallery/2011/n111110_pennriot/01-pg-horizontal.jpg
http://i.usatoday.net/news/gallery/2011/n111110_pennriot/11-pg-horizontal.jpg
http://i.usatoday.net/news/gallery/2011/n111110_pennriot/10-pg-horizontal.jpg
http://i.usatoday.net/news/gallery/2011/n111110_pennriot/08-pg-horizontal.jpg
http://i.usatoday.net/news/gallery/2011/n111110_pennriot/09-pg-horizontal.jpg


http://mediagallery.usatoday.com/S165982#.Trv0bNskYYg.facebook

Rally if not sponsored by then definately supported by NAMBLA.

What a bunch of effing ahole moronic schItheads.

HTown2ATX
11-10-2011, 02:25 PM
One bad decision after another here. This guy should have been shown the door. He saw it going on and turned around and let it finish. He didn't call the cops. He told his boss the next day*.

*and this puts him in the clear, apparently.

======

One report said the boy saw him witness the incident. What do you think that kid thought when a should-have-been-rescuer turned his back and walked away? I'm sure it wasn't, "Good, he's probably going to go tell JoPa".

Exactly. I'm sure there are some that believe violence is never the answer even in a situation like this....which I can't even begin to address....but that aside, even if this guy was afraid he'd get his ass kicked or maybe believed "violence wasn't the answer" or his pee-pee hurt, or whatever the case may be, he should have done something..ANYTHING.more than he did....whether that was to make noise, bang on something while calling the cops, yell, throw something...friggin anything!!!

If I saw this guy get taken advantage of now the way he watched that boy, I'd prbably just smoke a cig and laugh and ask, how's it feel?

The1ApplePie
11-10-2011, 02:56 PM
Exactly. I'm sure there are some that believe violence is never the answer even in a situation like this....which I can't even begin to address....but that aside, even if this guy was afraid he'd get his ass kicked or maybe believed "violence wasn't the answer" or his pee-pee hurt, or whatever the case may be, he should have done something..ANYTHING.more than he did....whether that was to make noise, bang on something while calling the cops, yell, throw something...friggin anything!!!

If I saw this guy get taken advantage of now the way he watched that boy, I'd prbably just smoke a cig and laugh and ask, how's it feel?

We can all say how we hope would would react to this situation, but none of us can be sure how we would. Not much different than having a gun pointed at you/having it pointed at somebody. You don't know what is in you until it happens.

Regardless of what I would really do (I'd bet on giving the guy a savage beating with a blunt object) I'm pretty sure "What about my career?" would never cross my mind if I saw a kid getting raped.

Double Barrel
11-10-2011, 03:03 PM
Public service announcement:

Since this is all over the news and conversations now, kids are hearing about it. It might be good time to reinforce with your kids that it isn't just the creepy stranger, but also the trusted adult who might have bad intentions. Balancing between too much trust, looking for warning signs, and outright paranoia is a little tricky...

I'm a leader in my son's Cub Scout pack, and BSA has been very pro-active about educating parents and children about abusive situations.

Every scout handbook has an insert, How to Protect Your Children From Child Abuse and Drug Abuse: A Parent’s Guide (http://www.scouting.org/filestore/ypt/pdf/46-015.pdf), that should be read to your child every year to reinforce the lessons.

This is a good resource for any parent, even those not involved with scouts, to use for educating their children.

BSA is also very aggressive about deep background checks of leaders, including the FBA national database, and regular training (Youth Protection Training). They have very strict policies about child abuse, including two-deep leadership (never be alone with a scout that is not your son), as well as a list (http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/GSS/gss01.aspx) of other protective measures.

You can never been too paranoid about protecting children. And that's what really makes this entire situation so pathetic and disgusting. So many people should have demanded action, yet it seems like the corporate brand of a school was more important to them. Shameful and depraved mentalities, IMO.

HTown2ATX
11-10-2011, 03:29 PM
We can all say how we hope would would react to this situation, but none of us can be sure how we would. Not much different than having a gun pointed at you/having it pointed at somebody. You don't know what is in you until it happens.

Regardless of what I would really do (I'd bet on giving the guy a savage beating with a blunt object) I'm pretty sure "What about my career?" would never cross my mind if I saw a kid getting raped.

Exactly. Who knows what I would actually do. I can promise violence would be involved, I just know me and I know how I react. How far it would go would be the question as well as the outcome. That's not beating my chest or being overly masculine or something, I just know what I have done in the past when it has come to defeing family on lesser situations so I am fairly able to predict my reaction were I this guy.

That said, I agree, even if it wasn't violence outright, "what about my career?" is just effed up and as I laid out, at least do SOMETHING other than what was done, right then and there to save that kid.

The1ApplePie
11-10-2011, 04:02 PM
Exactly. Who knows what I would actually do. I can promise violence would be involved, I just know me and I know how I react. How far it would go would be the question as well as the outcome. That's not beating my chest or being overly masculine or something, I just know what I have done in the past when it has come to defeing family on lesser situations so I am fairly able to predict my reaction were I this guy.

That said, I agree, even if it wasn't violence outright, "what about my career?" is just effed up and as I laid out, at least do SOMETHING other than what was done, right then and there to save that kid.

I hear you. I have reacted the same way for family. Even had to get tackled by four friends so I wouldn't beat a guy's head in with a tire iron for hitting a stray dog with his car. I'm pretty sure I know how I will react but you can never be sure.

Shock can do strange things to people.

The guy that saw it all should at least lose his job. A freakin' disgrace. Don't know how he sleeps at night.

Dutchrudder
11-10-2011, 04:15 PM
From wiki on the DA's disappearance:



At 11:30 a.m. (EDT) on April 15, 2005, Gricar called Patty Fornicola, his live-in girlfriend, to inform her that he was driving through the Brush Valley area northeast of Centre Hall.[9] Fornicola reported Gricar missing 12 hours later when he failed to return home.[9]
Gricar's car, a red MINI Cooper, was discovered the following day in an antique store parking lot in Lewisburg.[10] His county-issued cell phone was inside, but his laptop computer, keys, and wallet were missing, and there were no signs of foul play.[8] Police and family members noted that the location where the vehicle was found – adjacent to two bridges over the Susquehanna River – bore some similarities to the location where the vehicle of Roy Gricar, Ray Gricar's older brother, was located before his body was found in the Great Miami River in Ohio in 1996.[10]
Authorities searched the river and its banks in the days following the vehicle's discovery, but found no sign of Gricar.[8] Pennsylvania authorities asked the FBI to analyze Gricar's bank accounts, credit card records, and cell phone records, but found no clues as to where he may have been.[8]
On July 30, 2005, fishermen discovered Gricar's county-issued laptop computer in the Susquehanna River beneath a bridge between Lewisburg and Milton.[11] A Pennsylvania State Police computer expert analyzed the computer and found that its hard drive was missing.[11] Divers searched the area of the river near where the laptop was found over the next several days, but found nothing else.[11] Two months later, a hard drive was recovered on the banks of the Susquehanna River about 100 yards (91 m) from where the laptop was found and is believed to be Gricar's;[12] however, it was badly damaged and analysis by the FBI, U.S. Secret Service, and the firm Kroll Ontrack – which had successfully recovered data from a hard drive recovered from the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster – were all unable to recover any data from the hard drive.[13] In April 2009 Bellefonte police revealed that before his disappearance, Gricar used his home computer to perform internet searches on topics such as "how to wreck a hard drive", "how to fry a hard drive", and "water damage to a notebook computer".[14]
Gricar's disappearance has been the subject of at least two television documentaries: an episode of Haunting Evidence first aired on Court TV in June 2006, and an episode of Disappeared first aired on Investigation Discovery in February 2011.[15] Additionally, an episode of CBS' Without a Trace featured Gricar's missing person information.[16]
On June 30, 2011, Lara Gricar, Ray's daughter and trustee of his estate, petitioned Centre County for a court declaration of presumed death.[17] County president judge David E. Grine approved the petition and declared Gricar legally dead on July 25, 2011.[18]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar#Disappearance

So what happened to this guy? No body ever found, no signs of suicide or foul play. Sounds like a professional took him out.

Vinny
11-10-2011, 04:18 PM
One bad decision after another here. This guy should have been shown the door. He saw it going on and turned around and let it finish. He didn't call the cops. He told his boss the next day*.

*and this puts him in the clear, apparently.

======

One report said the boy saw him witness the incident. What do you think that kid thought when a should-have-been-rescuer turned his back and walked away? I'm sure it wasn't, "Good, he's probably going to go tell JoPa".

If you think about it, Paterno promoted McQueady from a graduate assistant position to a full time coaching position after this went down. Quid pro quo

srrono
11-10-2011, 04:19 PM
I dont understand this. Is it joke? If so really?

Link (http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sports-media-asks-molestation-victims-what-this-me,26609/)

Vinny
11-10-2011, 04:22 PM
I dont understand this. Is it aally joke? If so really?

Link (http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sports-media-asks-molestation-victims-what-this-me,26609/)
its a joke...a bad one, but a joke

Blake
11-10-2011, 04:36 PM
its a joke...a bad one, but a joke

Lol. Thats the Onion for you.

HTown2ATX
11-10-2011, 04:50 PM
From wiki on the DA's disappearance:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar#Disappearance

So what happened to this guy? No body ever found, no signs of suicide or foul play. Sounds like a professional took him out.

See below

The DA who was originally looking into this that dissappeared, was a topic on J&R last night on 610.

Now, you'll have to look up whatever links they had found online as I don't have them, but apparently police found his hard drive from his laptop that had all the evidence in a river but could not recover anything from it and later when they searched his home pc were google searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and more.

There are apparently sightings of this guy now and again too in different states.

So, if you want to all Unsolved Mysteries on it, sounds like he was paid to disappear. Also, now that we hear there may have been a whole ring involved.....this actually sounds plausable.

Who knows

Dutchrudder
11-10-2011, 04:51 PM
I dont understand this. Is it joke? If so really?

Link (http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sports-media-asks-molestation-victims-what-this-me,26609/)

There was a report about the lawyer representing one of the victims saying that he didn't want JoePa fired over this scandal because he didn't want his client associated with the downfall of the football program. It was a pretty stupid statement in general and I think that spurred the creation of that article.

srrono
11-10-2011, 05:07 PM
There was a report about the lawyer representing one of the victims saying that he didn't want JoePa fired over this scandal because he didn't want his client associated with the downfall of the football program. It was a pretty stupid statement in general and I think that spurred the creation of that article.

that makes sense cuz i got that it was a joke, couldnt understand the timing and context. With tha.t lawyer statement I see the opening for it but still its too soon

ChrisG
11-10-2011, 05:11 PM
Only speculation at this point but my local station just reported the boys may have been used as prostitutes to high priced donors

Dutchrudder
11-10-2011, 05:20 PM
Only speculation at this point but my local station just reported the boys may have been used as prostitutes to high priced donors

Yeah, still a rumor. Also rumored that all the boys 'used' were black underprivelidged kids too. Adding the element of racism to the issue. Still waiting on confirmations of that though.

Porky
11-10-2011, 05:23 PM
If people don't understand how damaging this kind of abuse can be for young people, just take the example of Ashley Billasano in today's Chronicle.

Teen tweets about impending suicide because of abuse (http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Tweets-before-suicide-point-to-teen-s-sexual-abuse-2261520.php)

And to think JoePa (and many others) could have prevented this tragedy from occuring to others - but they stood by and did nothing. Makes me sick to my stomach.

gary
11-10-2011, 06:30 PM
I am here to say that the more I here about this my view is changing ever so slowly. Why is the AD on admin leave and the new coach still part of the old staff? Fire Joe and the school President then can them all.

Grams
11-10-2011, 07:17 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-scandal-Theo-Fleury-speaks-of-childrens-road-to-recovery-111011

A good read by an NHL player that was the victim of abuse as a child.

Vinny
11-10-2011, 07:21 PM
A source inside the Pennsylvania State police department, in Harrisburg, told The Daily Beast today that calls from other potential victims or people who believe they know victims are flowing in. "Yes, we're receiving calls," the source said, noting that the whole office is being kept "very busy," and that each and every call will be thoroughly investigated. The source would not say exactly how many calls the office had been received, but added that the line was being manned 24/7. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/10/exclusive-new-potential-penn-state-victims-emerge.html

Mr. White
11-10-2011, 07:34 PM
I am here to say that the more I here about this my view is changing ever so slowly. Why is the AD on admin leave and the new coach still part of the old staff? Fire Joe and the school President then can them all.

I'm starting to swing this way myself Gary. I think their best course of action right now is to shut down the program for the rest of the season and all of next season.

They're associated with a child molester now. I don't think that they can ever get over that.

Honoring Earl 34
11-10-2011, 08:08 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/10/exclusive-new-potential-penn-state-victims-emerge.html

I hope they can get some sort of satisfaction and closure . I can't think of anything more humiliating for a young man than this .

srrono
11-10-2011, 08:20 PM
SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
I errored when calling this a "child sex" case. Any violation of a child is rape. This is a "child rape" case. My apologies.



Brooks is right can a MOD plaese change thread name

Grams
11-10-2011, 09:27 PM
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/10/report-sanduskys-charges-could-extend-to-texas/

Someone mentioned if over state lines, this could have federal charges also?

Hookem Horns
11-11-2011, 12:40 AM
Here is the last part of the Forward of Jerry Sandusky's biography ironically called "Touched"

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/479/duskyforward.gif

Dick Vermeil's words take on a whole new meaning now.

Runner
11-11-2011, 12:42 AM
McQueary won't be at game.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/penn-state-mike-mcqueary-threats-will-not-coach-nebraska-game/1

srrono
11-11-2011, 12:44 AM
SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
Penn State paid for victim's trip. RT @kzep: Sandusky may face assault charges in San Antonio also http://bit.ly/uE1ZcK http://fb.me/Ch4GahkU

Maybe our great state of Texas can show Pennsylvania how to punish all involved. How about a charge of accessory after the fact.

An accessory after the fact is someone who knowingly and willingly helps the principle actors and/or the accomplice to evade arrest or trial. Anyone here a lawyer? I am wrong in thinking that all who covered up this abuse therefor gave the opportunity for future abuse of child in Texas so could be prosecuted.

Bump the thread so I might get a answer

cuppacoffee
11-11-2011, 10:58 AM
They have lost a TV sponsor also.


"A person familiar with the decision says Cars.com has pulled out as the "presenting sponsor" of two college football games on ESPN involving Penn State in the wake of the sex-abuse scandal engulfing the program."


Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-11-10/ap-source-carscom-no-longer-presenting-sponsor#ixzz1dPfrV4Gf


Good for them.

:coffee:

Honoring Earl 34
11-11-2011, 11:03 AM
http://tracking.si.com/2011/11/11/report-joe-paterno-hires-prominent-lawyer/?sct=hp_t12_a7&eref=sihp

Updated Report: Joe Paterno Contacts ‘Prominent’ Lawyer


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/11/10/penn.state.mcqueary.nebraska.ap/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t12_a5

McQueary won't coach Saturday

Vinny
11-11-2011, 11:07 AM
A Penn State Attorney Who Reviewed The 1998 Police Report Against Jerry Sandusky Also Represented The Second Mile

In 1998, Victim No. 6 told his mother he had showered with Jerry Sandusky. She called Penn State University police, who interviewed both the boy and Sandusky and prepared a report containing details of inappropriate conduct. PSU's outside general counsel, Wendell Courtney, reviewed that police report on behalf of the school before submitting it to the Centre Country District Attorney. Courtney, who knew what Jerry Sandusky was alleged to have done—and admitted to—continued to represent The Second Mile for another 13 years."It's clear from the findings of the grand jury that Mr. Courtney had direct dealings with both Penn State and The Second Mile and he had knowledge and was aware of the 1998 incident," said Nils Fredericksen, a spokesman for the AG. "The grand jury findings are based on evidence and testimony. There's no dispute he had interaction with both [Penn State and The Second Mile]." http://deadspin.com/5858636/a-penn-state-attorney-who-reviewed-the-1998-police-report-against-jerry-sandusky-also-represented-the-second-mile

Double Barrel
11-11-2011, 11:13 AM
There were many missed chances to investigate as early as 1995

The earliest documented report of possible abuse at the hands of Sandusky is in 1995, when his now-legally adopted son was still a teenage foster child in his home.

The adoption file for Matt Sandusky, who had a different name at the time, contains letters of concern from his mother to children and youth officials and to a Centre County judge.

Full Story (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html)

:( Very sad

mussop
11-11-2011, 12:04 PM
This whole event reeks of a witch hunt. Maybe I'm missing something but I have yet to see anything that warrants Paterno being fired after 61 years of loyal service to Penn state.

Im sorry i try and ignore these type of topics so like I have said, maybe I have missed something. Has there been any solid evidence that shows Paterno did anything wrong. I know people are upset he didn't go to the police after a student reported to him having seen something. Yet there are conflicting reports out there about what the witness actually reported at the time to Paterno.

Grams
11-11-2011, 12:07 PM
This whole event reeks of a witch hunt. Maybe I'm missing something but I have yet to see anything that warrants Paterno being fired after 61 years of loyal service to Penn state.

Im sorry i try and ignore these type of topics so like I have said, maybe I have missed something. Has there been any solid evidence that shows Paterno did anything wrong. I know people are upset he didn't go to the police after a student reported to him having seen something. Yet there are conflicting reports out there about what the witness actually reported at the time to Paterno.

He did not call the police. This after another incident in 1998, 2000 and 2002.
Where was his integrity and honor?

ArlingtonTexan
11-11-2011, 12:10 PM
This whole event reeks of a witch hunt. Maybe I'm missing something but I have yet to see anything that warrants Paterno being fired after 61 years of loyal service to Penn state.

Im sorry i try and ignore these type of topics so like I have said, maybe I have missed something. Has there been any solid evidence that shows Paterno did anything wrong. I know people are upset he didn't go to the police after a student reported to him having seen something. Yet there are conflicting reports out there about what the witness actually reported at the time to Paterno.

Before I answer you, have you at least read a time line of the events?

Runner
11-11-2011, 12:16 PM
This whole event reeks of a witch hunt. Maybe I'm missing something but I have yet to see anything that warrants Paterno being fired after 61 years of loyal service to Penn state.

Im sorry i try and ignore these type of topics so like I have said, maybe I have missed something. Has there been any solid evidence that shows Paterno did anything wrong. I know people are upset he didn't go to the police after a student reported to him having seen something. Yet there are conflicting reports out there about what the witness actually reported at the time to Paterno.

Many of us, including myself, came into this thread with a similar sentiment. After reading the grand jury report or one of the good summaries referenced here, many changed their minds. This group also includes me.

I'd say most of the ones not swayed by the published facts are Penn State fans, can't get past Paterno's (former) aura of respect, or are to stubborn to change an opinion once stated.

I'm sure there are few in good conscience who also aren't swayed.

Read the facts linked to in the threads. The logical conclusion is disturbing. No spin or fact twisting required.

mussop
11-11-2011, 12:18 PM
Before I answer you, have you at least read a time line of the events?

All I have read is the grand jury report. Could you point me to a link of the timeline?

Grams
11-11-2011, 12:20 PM
:( Very sad

I read in this that McQuery had stopped a knife fight between players. Why would he not stop the rape of a 10 year old boy by an unarmed naked man?

What kind of power/influence does Sandusky have over everyone?? Makes one wonder what more will be coming out in the next few weeks.

Grams
11-11-2011, 12:21 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-sex-abuse-case-timeline-of-key-dates-Jerry-Sandusky-110711

Here is the timeline of the case.

here

gary
11-11-2011, 12:28 PM
This is just one of those that you wish there were a rewind button and start from square one.

Vinny
11-11-2011, 12:32 PM
I read in this that McQuery had stopped a knife fight between players. Why would he not stop the rape of a 10 year old boy by an unarmed naked man?

What kind of power/influence does Sandusky have over everyone?? Makes one wonder what more will be coming out in the next few weeks.
The knife fight wasn't going to bring massive shame to the University. This was, so he went to the mob boss, er I mean Paterno. Corporatism...patriotism...partisanism... protecting the greater image, protecting the brand...Worshiping false idols. There is a bully atmosphere to those who speak out negatively against the "cause" or brand in this kind of atmosphere so you go to the decision maker. Its akin to being brainwashed. I see it here in blind partisan bickering where one perpetually excuses the behavior of their side as if it was a sign of weakness to speak the truth. In these cultures some stop thinking for oneself and lets their leaders, bosses, Governments, football coaches...whomever, think for you since being a "loose cannon" tends to be frowned upon. I think McQuery took care of his own self interest once he told Paterno and was rewarded with his promotion from Graduate assistant to position coach. quid pro quo stuff.

Bottom line I think it falls under the category of worshiping false idols and being afraid to think for yourself. He was lawyered up with some advice to keep it under his hat - then he was rewarded nicely. It's turned into an Twilight Zone episode for him though, thankfully.

ArlingtonTexan
11-11-2011, 12:34 PM
Before I answer you, have you at least read a time line of the events?

Many of us, including myself, came into this thread with a similar sentiment. After reading the grand jury report or one of the good summaries referenced here, many changed their minds. This group also includes me.

I'd say most of the ones not swayed by the published facts are Penn State fans, can't get past Paterno's (former) aura of respect, or are to stubborn to change an opinion once stated.

I'm sure there are few in good conscience who also aren't swayed.

Read the facts linked to in the threads. The logical conclusion is disturbing. No spin or fact twisting required.

All I have read is the grand jury report. Could you point me to a link of the timeline?

This is why I asked mussup

mussop
11-11-2011, 12:46 PM
here

Can't access the video from my phone. Is there an article I can read?

srrono
11-11-2011, 12:47 PM
I read in this that McQuery had stopped a knife fight between players. Why would he not stop the rape of a 10 year old boy by an unarmed naked man?
What kind of power/influence does Sandusky have over everyone?? Makes one wonder what more will be coming out in the next few weeks.

with this being said i believe it was already common knowledge on the coaching staff that Sandusky was a pedifile thats why he didnt report Sandusky to police instead he just went to JoePa. Barry Switzer said this below:

Former Oklahoma University and Dallas Cowboys coach Barry Switzer says members of the Penn State coaching staff had to be aware of former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky’s alleged behavior.

“Having been in this profession a long time and knowing how close coaching staffs are, I knew that this was a secret that was kept secret. Everyone on that had to have known, the ones that had been around a long time,” Switzer said in an interview with The Oklahoman newspaper.

Former Oklahoma University and Dallas Cowboys coach Barry Switzer says members of the Penn State coaching staff had to be aware of former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky’s alleged behavior. (AP Photo)Switzer added that others outside the Penn State
program had to have known as well.

“You think that a 13-year assistant ... hasn’t told someone else? His wife? His father? People knew. The community knew,” Switzer said.

Switzer said the tragedy of the situation was that no one stepped up to put a stop to Sandusky.

“There are more people culpable
than just Joe Paterno and the athletic director. There are so many other people that have thought, ‘I could’ve done something about this, too’ that didn’t come forward. That’s the tragedy of it,” he said.

Switzer said that the university's trustees did the right thing by firing by Paterno on Wednesday night, but added that "there are no winners here.”

Grams
11-11-2011, 02:01 PM
Updated Nov 10, 2011 12:33 AM ET
A chronological look at the case against former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, based on a grand jury report in Pennsylvania state court. Some key dates in Penn State football history are included. Sandusky has been charged with 40 criminal counts, accusing him of serial sex abuse of minors.

* * *

1969: Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach.



1977: Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families.

January 1983: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1982 season.

January 1987: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1986 season.

1994: Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10.

1994-95: Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old.

1995-96: Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade.

1996-97: Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program.

1996-98: Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old.

Jan. 1, 1998: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl.





1998: Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, ''I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead.''

Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

June 1999: Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

Dec. 28, 1999: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

Summer 2000: Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

Fall 2000: A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.
Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

March 1, 2002: A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

March 2, 2002: In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

March 3, 2002: Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

March 2002: Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

March 27, 2002 (approximate): The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

2005-06: Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

Spring 2007: During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

Spring 2008: Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy's mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.



September 2010: Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.

Nov. 5, 2011: Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.

Nov. 7, 2011: Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university President Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky.

Nov. 8, 2011: Possible ninth victim of Sandusky contacts state police as calls for ouster of Paterno and Spanier grow in state and beyond. Penn State abruptly cancels Paterno's regular weekly press conference.

Nov. 9, 2011: Paterno and Spanier, one of the nation's longest-serving college presidents, are ousted, effective immediately. Earlier in the day, Paterno announced he'd retire at the end of the season. In the end, he didn't have that choice.

Honoring Earl 34
11-11-2011, 02:44 PM
Updated Nov 10, 2011 12:33 AM ET
A chronological look at the case against former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, based on a grand jury report in Pennsylvania state court. Some key dates in Penn State football history are included. Sandusky has been charged with 40 criminal counts, accusing him of serial sex abuse of minors.

* * *

1969: Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach.



1977: Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families.

January 1983: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1982 season.

January 1987: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1986 season.

1994: Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10.

1994-95: Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old.

1995-96: Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade.

1996-97: Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program.

1996-98: Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old.

Jan. 1, 1998: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl.





1998: Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, ''I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead.''

Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

June 1999: Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

Dec. 28, 1999: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

Summer 2000: Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

Fall 2000: A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.
Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

March 1, 2002: A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

March 2, 2002: In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

March 3, 2002: Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

March 2002: Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

March 27, 2002 (approximate): The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

2005-06: Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

Spring 2007: During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

Spring 2008: Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy's mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.



September 2010: Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.

Nov. 5, 2011: Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.

Nov. 7, 2011: Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university President Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky.

Nov. 8, 2011: Possible ninth victim of Sandusky contacts state police as calls for ouster of Paterno and Spanier grow in state and beyond. Penn State abruptly cancels Paterno's regular weekly press conference.

Nov. 9, 2011: Paterno and Spanier, one of the nation's longest-serving college presidents, are ousted, effective immediately. Earlier in the day, Paterno announced he'd retire at the end of the season. In the end, he didn't have that choice.

I said I was going to stay away because it was giving me acid reflux . This is incredible and it's going to get ugly because there had to be folks protecting him .

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1111/penn.state.campus/content.1.html

Grams
11-11-2011, 03:01 PM
I agree. I think it is going to get very ugly.
If half of the rumors are true, there are a lot more boys involved. And maybe other stuff that was mentioned earlier in this thread. There maybe also be a lot of people praying that the investigation does not go too deep.

Honoring Earl 34
11-11-2011, 03:11 PM
I agree. I think it is going to get very ugly.
If half of the rumors are true, there are a lot more boys involved. And maybe other stuff that was mentioned earlier in this thread. There maybe also be a lot of people praying that the investigation does not go too deep.

Make a deal with Sandusky and then tell him the deal was he gets to be roommates with Hannibal Lecter and Jeffery Dahmer at Thanksgiving .

srrono
11-11-2011, 05:15 PM
you got to read this

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/prospect-sandusky-a-penn-state-recruiter-in-2011-29898

McQueary must have been paid off or just moved up in the program for keeping quiet.

SheTexan
11-11-2011, 06:59 PM
After reading what Grams posted, I think I want to vomit, and I definitely want to cry. I just don't know what else to say.

mussop
11-11-2011, 07:19 PM
All I have to say is Sandusky better grow him a goatee because that prison pucee is going to be getting alot of action. He's going to learn what it feels like to be on the receiving end of raping. Hope he gets passed around like a joint at a lalapalooza concert.

I have always thought highly of Paterno and still don't want to believe he knew and ignored all this. I know it looks bad but I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt until it's proven otherwise. But if it is proven I hope he goes to his grave having lived the rest of his life knowing what a POS he is for allowing such a POS like that to continue doing what he did.

GlassHalfFull
11-11-2011, 09:06 PM
Whether the NCAA does anything or not, the Penn State football program is hosed. I can't see any commit sticking with Penn State, and I seriously doubt many freshman or sophomores will stay with the program.

I do think the NCAA needs to make a serious example of Penn State. This is so huge, and it is all a result of people trying to cover up stuff. They just can't ignore it. Penn State needs to become the poster child of not letting a program get away with a major coverup.

IlliniJen
11-12-2011, 03:50 PM
Watching the after-coverage of Penn State - Nebraska is sickening me. ESPN and Penn State have to stop acting like Paterno was the victim of anything but his own moral failure. Go cry somewhere else where we don't have to see the pathetic display of the "Poor Joe Paterno Show."

JCTexan
11-12-2011, 05:05 PM
Watching the after-coverage of Penn State - Nebraska is sickening me. ESPN and Penn State have to stop acting like Paterno was the victim of anything but his own moral failure. Go cry somewhere else where we don't have to see the pathetic display of the "Poor Joe Paterno Show."

Yeah, I watched the game and got sick of the whole "We are Penn State" chants. Nobody in that university is the victim here, so let's stop acting like it (not directed at you).

Heath Shuler
11-12-2011, 05:52 PM
http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/11/29542b3480cf0b42ff09162e2d34d88e.jpg


There HAS to be a better abbreviation for “assistant”
:kubepalm:




Haven’t read much of this thread, it makes me pissed off and sick to my stomach. What are the chances Sandusky does the right thing and puts a bullet in his head?

srrono
11-12-2011, 08:24 PM
http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/11/29542b3480cf0b42ff09162e2d34d88e.jpg


There HAS to be a better abbreviation for “assistant”
:kubepalm:




Haven’t read much of this thread, it makes me pissed off and sick to my stomach. What are the chances Sandusky does the right thing and puts a bullet in his head?

that is perfect he is an ass. what the hell is the reporter drunk? lol

srrono
11-12-2011, 08:57 PM
Bradley Contacts NFL Coach About Job
A source close to the Penn State football program informed me today that interim Penn State head football coach Tom Bradley has reached out to the head coach of an NFL team to inquire about future employment.

In the aftermath of Joe Paterno’s ouster earlier this week, Bradley was subsequently named caretaker of the disgraced football program. Since that change, the source indicated Bradley has personally contacted Indianapolis Colts head coach Jim Caldwell about attaining a job in the future.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/source-bradley-contacts-nfl-coach-about-job-29899

Showtime100
11-12-2011, 09:19 PM
that is perfect he is an ass. what the hell is the reporter drunk? lol

Maybe that's England's standard abbreviation for "asst." I wouldn't know. They can't spell anything right over there. :D

Honoring Earl 34
11-12-2011, 09:27 PM
Sandusky lived across the street from an elementary school .

Vinny
11-12-2011, 11:35 PM
Penn State supporters continue to look like idiots

At Penn State’s stadium, profanity, scorn greet one father’s protestSTATE COLLEGE, Pa. — In the middle of Curtin Road, John Matko held one handwritten sign in his right hand and rested another against his jeans. Two inches of black tape obscured Penn State’s logo on the 34-year-old father’s hat, as he tried to ignore the jeers, slaps and beer hurled at him.

“Put abused kids first,” one of Matko’s signs read. “Don’t be fooled, they all knew. Tom Bradley, everyone must go.”

Penn State's Beaver Stadium loomed 30 yards away, rumbling with the first roars of Saturday’s game with Nebraska. The sea of blue-clad supporters wearing gray fedoras and camouflage hunting jackets and “This is JoePa’s house” T-shirts parted around Matko.

“That is such [expletive]!” one young woman screamed at him after glancing at the signs. “Who the [expletive] do you think you are?”

Eyes hidden by blue aviator sunglasses, Matko didn’t respond.

The night before, thousands of students held candles and sang Coldplay’s “Fix You” a capella in front of Old Main to support victims of sexual abuse. They wanted to show a different side to Penn State than the 40 charges of child sexual abuse against ex-football assistant Jerry Sandusky or the riots late Wednesday after the university fired iconic coach Joe Paterno for his role in the cover-up.

Under Saturday’s cloudless sky, Curtin Street revealed something else.

A beer showered Matko. One man slapped his stomach. Another called him a “[expletive].”“The kids are what this day is about, not who wins or loses,” the sign resting against his jeans read. “Or who lost their job and why. Honor the abused kids by cancelling the game and the season now.”

A passer-by kicked it.

“You’re going to get your [expletive] kicked, man,” a man bellowed.

“That’s [expletive], guy,” another said.

Abuse flew at Matko from young and old, students and alumni, men and women. No one intervened. No one spoke out against the abuse. Over the course of an hour, a lone man stopped, read the sign and said, “I agree.” Those two words were swallowed by the profanity and threats by dozens of others during the hour.

“The world is here. The world wasn’t at the vigil,” Matko said. “I still can’t believe this game is being played. People are telling me the game is going to generate revenue for the kids. That’s the point. We can’t separate revenue, money from football. That’s part of the reason why we’re in this mess.

“I feel so betrayed. … I can’t believe the guys covered it up. It’s disturbing and it’s not over.”

Matko didn’t preach at passers-by. The signs said enough, two voices in a wilderness of blue.

“What a [expletive] *****, man,” shouted one fan. “Get out of here.”

A woman, clad in blue like the rest, launched a finger-wagging, tirade inches from Matko’s face. Two men led her away.

A burly man wearing a “JoePa” T-shirt strode up, wrestled away the sign urging abused kids be put first from Matko’s right hand and slammed it to the ground.

After reading the signs, another woman glowered at Matko.

“This is in bad taste,” she said.

One bystander wondered how long until Matko was punched. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/12/penn-state-stadium-profanity-scorn-joe-paterno/?page=1

Showtime100
11-12-2011, 11:49 PM
Penn State supporters continue to look like idiots


Unfortunately for Penn State (or State Penn) the student body in numbers, speak loudly, and reminds us all why they are still at an institution to learn in the first place...lol.

I suspect many of those student Paterno backers will look on their stance one day down the line from an historic perspective and regret their thoughts as well as their actions at the time. We all do. This is my hope anyway.

*Is it "an historic" or "a historic?" That always gets me.* :D

BattleRedToro
11-13-2011, 12:31 AM
*Is it "an historic" or "a historic?" That always gets me.* :D

Do you speak English with an Edwardian era Cockney accent?

Showtime100
11-13-2011, 12:34 AM
Do you speak English with an Edwardian era Cockney accent?

(?) I call it a Houston accent. Southern but generally only recognized as southern when I am up north.

BattleRedToro
11-13-2011, 12:41 AM
(?) I call it a Houston accent. Southern but generally only recognized as southern when I am up north.

Then that means you pronounce the 'h' in historic, so you should use 'a' in front of historic.

On a similar note, I have a pet peeve with the pronunciation of the word Houston. I cringe when I hear it pronounced Youston.

JCTexan
11-13-2011, 01:17 AM
Penn State supporters continue to look like idiots

At Penn State’s stadium, profanity, scorn greet one father’s protest http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/12/penn-state-stadium-profanity-scorn-joe-paterno/?page=1

It's all about 'Penn State' to these people. Forget the victims, forget that the Athletic Director, Head Coach, Assistant Coach all hid child molestation, because "we are Penn State". This one comment pretty much sums it all up for me:

“Not now, man,” one student said, shaking his head. “This is about the football players.”

Showtime100
11-13-2011, 01:49 AM
Then that means you pronounce the 'h' in historic, so you should use 'a' in front of historic.

On a similar note, I have a pet peeve with the pronunciation of the word Houston. I cringe when I hear it pronounced Youston.

Lol, yeah, that is my head scratcher. "A historic" just sounds wrong, but the consonant begs to differ.

srrono
11-13-2011, 08:49 PM
wow things keep getting crazy the new Head Coach Tom Bradley used to live with McQueary. Theres no way Brasley didnt know.



SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
RT @Ben_Jones88: You think the Sandusky story is mixed up already, just wait til somebody realizes McQueary used to live with Tom Bradley

srrono
11-14-2011, 11:51 AM
CBSNews CBS News
Sandusky bail judge's ties to Second Mile: Volunteer, donor & recipient of campaign fundraiser by charity's chairman http://bit.ly/u9mbyt

Vinny
11-14-2011, 11:54 AM
CBSNews CBS News
Sandusky bail judge's ties to Second Mile: Volunteer, donor & recipient of campaign fundraiser by charity's chairman http://bit.ly/u9mbyt I was wondering why the bail was so low.

GlassHalfFull
11-14-2011, 11:56 AM
CBSNews CBS News
Sandusky bail judge's ties to Second Mile: Volunteer, donor & recipient of campaign fundraiser by charity's chairman http://bit.ly/u9mbyt

Unreal that she didn't recuse herself.

Dutchrudder
11-14-2011, 11:57 AM
Supposedly this is an aerial shot of Sandusky's house....

http://news.statecollege.com/images/930818_6922.jpg

Vinny
11-14-2011, 11:58 AM
Unreal that she didn't recuse herself.
seems like everything in the general Penn St area is dirty or out of touch with reality. Emperor's new clothes stuff.

Honoring Earl 34
11-14-2011, 12:18 PM
Supposedly this is an aerial shot of Sandusky's house....

http://news.statecollege.com/images/930818_6922.jpg

It's not unsolved mysteries what he was trying to do is it ?

Wolf6151
11-14-2011, 12:19 PM
There will be dozens of multi-million dollar lawsuits and I'm thinking that the civil lawsuits stemming from all this could bankrupt Penn St.

Runner
11-14-2011, 12:57 PM
Supposedly this is an aerial shot of Sandusky's house....

http://news.statecollege.com/images/930818_6922.jpg

So what's that? A couple hundred more kids put at risk for a decade because of systematic indifference and coverup?

I guess the "they did the bare minimum required by law" crowd find that an acceptable risk.

NitroGSXR
11-14-2011, 01:30 PM
seems like everything in the general Penn St area is dirty or out of touch with reality. Emperor's new clothes stuff.

Funny thing is... that same kind of aura sums up the Texas Longhorns community. It's a college town sort of thing. I'm still stunned by the depravity that went on within the Penn State community starting with McQeary and Joe Paterno. The program deserves the NCAA death penalty for this reason alone. Its alumni and boosters are out of control.

srrono
11-14-2011, 01:33 PM
greggdoyelcbs Gregg Doyel
Best PR move Joe Paterno could make is to fire the PR firm he just hired.

SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
That's the ordinary Joe we know. 'Plain and Proud.' RT @MarkRaganCEO: Joe Paterno working with PR firm TMG strategies http://bit.ly/sPIchK



Wow he still dont get it. It aint about him its about the kids.

Runner
11-14-2011, 01:48 PM
Funny thing is... that same kind of aura sums up the Texas Longhorns community. It's a college town sort of thing. I'm still stunned by the depravity that went on within the Penn State community starting with McQeary and Joe Paterno. The program deserves the NCAA death penalty for this reason alone. Its alumni and boosters are out of control.

I think that same observation could be made by the local residents near any major football power. However, I wouldn't go too far here. While I might entertain that they are ALL guilty of cutting corners or downright cheating to win, I'd still like to believe that most programs have at least one good man or woman who would speak out against the crimes perpetrated and covered up at Penn State.

The fish stinks from the head. Had the leadership at Penn State not condoned the activity through inaction or not wanting to know, this would have been a crime that had been committed and punished a decade ago.

Honoring Earl 34
11-14-2011, 03:12 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/11/14/Joe.Paterno.Big.Ten.ap/index.html?sct=cf_t2_a3

League commissioner Jim Delany said Monday that it is "inappropriate" to keep Paterno's name on the trophy that will be awarded Dec. 3 after the first Big Ten title game.

Penn State fired Paterno, its longtime head coach, last week and investigations are under way into allegations of child sex-abuse involving a former assistant for the Nittany Lions.

The trophy had been named the Stagg-Paterno Championship Trophy. Amos Alonzo Stagg won 319 games in 57 years, most at the University of Chicago. Paterno's 409 wins are the most by a major college coach.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/11/14/Joe.Paterno.Big.Ten.ap/index.html#ixzz1diFDyn6O

Vinny
11-14-2011, 04:17 PM
I cleaned this thread up...you can continue with the more personal conversation that was cut out here (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1827907#post1827907) if you choose.

srrono
11-14-2011, 05:48 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/14/jerry-sandusky-laguardia-airport-dunkin-donuts/

toronto
11-14-2011, 07:03 PM
I cleaned this thread up...you can continue with the more personal conversation that was cut out here (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1827907#post1827907) if you choose.

I wish in a sense this thread never had ever existed. What has allegedly happened is so disgusting, so awful and so disgraceful that I completely lost my stomach for the topic. It just made me want to grab a baseball bat and do to Sandusky's genitals what the legal system won't.

Vinny
11-14-2011, 08:00 PM
I wish in a sense this thread never had ever existed. What has allegedly happened is so disgusting, so awful and so disgraceful that I completely lost my stomach for the topic. It just made me want to grab a baseball bat and do to Sandusky's genitals what the legal system won't.Look at this...

1) The law is written in a way so that groups can get away with covering up child abuse by exonerating people for not reporting this to the authorities. They are legally clear if they kick the problem upstairs. There is a moral breach here that puts people at odds with the "legal advice" they may be getting from their employers.

2) Sandusky didn't have to put up a nickle in bail money.

Jerry Sandusky Penn State Scandal: Judge Who Granted Bail Knew Jerry Sandusky From Charity
By Myles Collier
Reports surfaced that the judge who granted Jerry Sandusky’s unsecured bail volunteered for the former Penn State defensive coordinators’ nonprofit organization, The Second Mile.

Sandusky, 67, is charged with 21 felony counts for allegedly sexually abusing eight boys over a 15-year period.

The state Attorney General office originally requested bail set at $500,000 and required Sandusky to wear an electronic ankle monitor.

District Judge Leslie Dutchcot decided that the $100,000 unsecured bail was sufficient; she did however, order Sandusky to stay away from children. With unsecured bail, Sandusky will not have to pay any money unless he does not show up to court.

"These details have got to be reviewed. I'm sending off a letter to Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania Ron Castillo and asking him to look at what happened here, to look at the reports that are out there, and if, in fact, this district justice has a conflict of interest." State Rep. Mike Vereb to Fox News Affiliate WTXF-TV.

Some in the community were shocked that Sandusky received bail at all. http://m.christianpost.com/news/jerry-sandusky-penn-state-scandal-judge-who-granted-bail-knew-jerry-sandusky-from-charity-61722/

JPPT1974
11-14-2011, 08:20 PM
Let's remember the victims. Not PSU as these children and their famiiles. Need to not be forgotten. As their lives are ruined forever. It will take beyond healing for them!

ArlingtonTexan
11-15-2011, 01:34 AM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pennstate-abuse


interview

toronto
11-15-2011, 06:54 AM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pennstate-abuse


interview

The Costas interview was the creepiest since the michael jackson one

ArlingtonTexan
11-15-2011, 08:32 AM
Costas interview

8804779-jerry-sandusky-to-bob-costas-in-exclusive-rock-center-interview-i-shouldnt-have-showered-with-those-kids

ArlingtonTexan
11-15-2011, 08:35 AM
Costas interview


http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/14/8804779-jerry-sandusky-to-bob-costas-in-exclusive-rock-center-interview-i-shouldnt-have-showered-with-those-kids

Vinny
11-15-2011, 08:37 AM
NY Times reporting ten more victims have come forward as well STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Close to 10 additional suspected victims have come forward to the authorities since the arrest of the former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky on Nov. 5 on 40 counts of sexually abusing young boys, according to people close to the investigation. The police are working to confirm the new allegations.

The news of additional accusations came on a day when Sandusky made his first extended public comments since his arrest, and the resignation of the chief executive of the Second Mile foundation, the charity founded by Sandusky, was made public. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/sports/ncaafootball/jack-raykovitz-chief-of-second-mile-resigns-amid-penn-state-scandal.html

PsychoLove
11-15-2011, 09:16 AM
NY Times reporting ten more victims have come forward as well http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/sports/ncaafootball/jack-raykovitz-chief-of-second-mile-resigns-amid-penn-state-scandal.html

I bet there will be more........

Dutchrudder
11-15-2011, 11:06 AM
After that Costas interview, I don't think anyone could believe Sandusky is innocent. That was creepy as hell.

Costas asks "Are you sexually attracted to young boys?"
Sandusky's answer verbatim: "Am I sexually attracted to underage boys? Sexually attracted? I...you know...I enjoy young people. I love to be around them, um, I ...I...but no, I'm not sexually attracted to young boys."

ArlingtonTexan
11-15-2011, 11:26 AM
After that Costas interview, I don't think anyone could believe Sandusky is innocent. That was creepy as hell.

Costas asks "Are you sexually attracted to young boys?"
Sandusky's answer verbatim: "Am I sexually attracted to underage boys? Sexually attracted? I...you know...I enjoy young people. I love to be around them, um, I ...I...but no, I'm not sexually attracted to young boys."

This was too weird as was his lack of understanding that any parent generally does not shower/bath and horse play naked with his/her kids past the age of about 4 or 5 at the latest. Once a kid has figured out how to potty, shower, wash hair, adults tend to let them do it unless there is a specific life situation that demands they do different.

Dutchrudder
11-15-2011, 11:40 AM
Video of that part of the interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp_0ms7LgC8&feature=player_embedded

Runner
11-15-2011, 12:46 PM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pennstate-abuse


interview

Why is this guy giving interviews? He should be under a rock somewhere. What could he possibly say to help himself?

GlassHalfFull
11-15-2011, 12:55 PM
Why is this guy giving interviews? He should be under a rock somewhere. What could he possibly say to help himself?

I was really surprised his lawyer allowed this interview. I have no idea how they thought it would help his case.

Yankee_In_TX
11-15-2011, 01:43 PM
Maybe going for insanity?

Dutchrudder
11-15-2011, 02:27 PM
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr14/themishkin/pedo_statue_paterno_1.jpg

srrono
11-15-2011, 04:19 PM
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr14/themishkin/pedo_statue_paterno_1.jpg

will PSU remove the statue?

chicagotexan2
11-15-2011, 04:22 PM
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr14/themishkin/pedo_statue_paterno_1.jpg

Why is Paterno raising his fist to say "Fight the Power"

Vinny
11-15-2011, 04:24 PM
Joseph Amendola, Jerry Sandusky's Lawyer, Impregnated Teenage Girl


Having taken the job of representing Sandusky in a trial surely to be followed around the nation, Amendola has also opened his own past to public examination. Thus far, revelations have not established him as a paragon of sound judgment regarding young people. According The Daily, Amendola may have engaged in sexual relations with a minor during the 1990s.

According to Centre County Courthouse documents obtained by the iPad newspaper, the man representing Sandusky impregnated an under-age teen and later married her. Per the report, Mary Iavasile's mother alleged in an interview that he daughter gave birth to Amendola's child before she was 18 years old. He had reportedly served as her attorney when she was 17. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/15/joseph-amendola-jerry-sandusky-impregnated-teen_n_1095005.html

Señor Stan
11-15-2011, 04:32 PM
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr14/themishkin/pedo_statue_paterno_1.jpg

y'all are missing pedobear ^

Honoring Earl 34
11-15-2011, 04:35 PM
Joseph Amendola, Jerry Sandusky's Lawyer, Impregnated Teenage Girl

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/15/joseph-amendola-jerry-sandusky-impregnated-teen_n_1095005.html

This is just getting weirder .

Rey
11-15-2011, 04:37 PM
Joseph Amendola, Jerry Sandusky's Lawyer, Impregnated Teenage Girl

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/15/joseph-amendola-jerry-sandusky-impregnated-teen_n_1095005.html

Since then, Janet said, she has learned to accept the unusual relationship.

“Joe is a very good father and has loved his two children very much, and that’s the most important thing for me right now,” she said.

Mary Amendola, who is now 32, did not return requests for comment, but later emailed The Daily claiming "all of the information is incorrect," though she would not provide details. Joe Amendola did not return multiple requests for comment.

Mary has tried to distance herself from the now notorious attorney — just yesterday, she changed her Facebook name to Mary Christmas. Her friends joked she should make it permanent.

But when Joe Amendola said in a televised interview last night that he would let Sandusky supervise his children, Mary Amendola instantly posted on her Facebook, "OMG did Joe just say that he would allow my kids to be alone with Jerry Sandusky?"

You cannot make this stuff up...

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/11/14/111511-news-sandusky-lawyer-teen-web/

PsychoLove
11-15-2011, 04:40 PM
You cannot make this stuff up...

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/11/14/111511-news-sandusky-lawyer-teen-web/

:ohsnap:

chicagotexan2
11-15-2011, 04:43 PM
You cannot make this stuff up...

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/11/14/111511-news-sandusky-lawyer-teen-web/

Is this attorney on a retainer from NAMBLA? What the ******* is this?

Double Barrel
11-15-2011, 05:27 PM
Institutionalized debauchery is what this is about. Beyond Penn State, the entire community appears to be willing to actively turn a blind eye to one of the most disgusting acts imaginable in order to serve some delusional hero myth.

I am finding the entire lot of them to be pathetic.

srrono
11-15-2011, 09:28 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/15/mike-mcqueary-email-stopped-rape/#.TsMFcT2VpkY

Mike MCQueary Email
I DID Stop The Rape

Mike McQueary wrote an email in the last week, griping that he's "getting hammered" unfairly because he claims he stopped Jerry Sandusky from continuing to anally rape a 10-year-old before leaving the locker room in 2002.

The email -- obtained by the Associated Press, reads as follows:

"You are the first person I have told this ... and I don't know you extremely well ... and I have been told bye (sic) officials to not say anything ...."

"I did stop it, not physically ... but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room ... I did have discussions with the official at the university in charge of police ... no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds...trust me."

"Do with this what you want ... but I am getting hammered for handling this the right way ... or what I thought at the time was right ... I had to make tough impacting quick decisions."

"This is off record ... again ... I have not and will not say anything to anyone else."

It's unclear who received the email, but it sounds like it was sent to a reporter.

Vinny
11-15-2011, 09:45 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/15/mike-mcqueary-email-stopped-rape/#.TsMFcT2VpkY

Mike MCQueary Email
I DID Stop The Rape

Mike McQueary wrote an email in the last week, griping that he's "getting hammered" unfairly because he claims he stopped Jerry Sandusky from continuing to anally rape a 10-year-old before leaving the locker room in 2002.

The email -- obtained by the Associated Press, reads as follows:

"You are the first person I have told this ... and I don't know you extremely well ... and I have been told bye (sic) officials to not say anything ...."

"I did stop it, not physically ... but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room ... I did have discussions with the official at the university in charge of police ... no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds...trust me."

"Do with this what you want ... but I am getting hammered for handling this the right way ... or what I thought at the time was right ... I had to make tough impacting quick decisions."

"This is off record ... again ... I have not and will not say anything to anyone else."

It's unclear who received the email, but it sounds like it was sent to a reporter.
now that its outside Penn State's control this thing will blow wide open soon. Everyone will be cutting deals, covering their behinds, and singing like jaybirds. I just hope that they don't settle with anyone for money in exchange for gag orders. I want this thing to play out in a public forum.

Vinny
11-16-2011, 10:06 AM
Turns out, the POLICE knew too.

State College, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- A Penn State assistant football coach, who has been criticized for not doing more in an alleged rape of a boy by former coach Jerry Sandusky, said in an e-mail that he helped stop the assault and talked with police about it, The Morning Call newspaper reported.

"I did stop it, not physically, but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room," assistant coach Mike McQueary wrote in the November 8 e-mail to a former classmate obtained by the Allentown, Pennsylvania, newspaper.

"No one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds," McQueary said. "Trust me."

McQueary also wrote that he "did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police" following the alleged incident involving Sandusky.

The information is the first to indicate he had discussions with police. http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/16/us/pennsylvania-sandusky-case/index.html?eref=igoogledmn_topstories

Vinny
11-16-2011, 10:20 AM
Talk about dirty...check this out. A free pass to do whatever they want.
While every other commonwealth agency is subject to Pennsylvania's open records law, Penn State is exempt, making it difficult to get information about who knew what and when regarding the sex abuse claims.
Penn State, along with three other schools that receive state funds, don't fall under Pennsylvania's Right to Know Law, according to Terry Mutchler, the executive director of the state's Office of Open Records.
"If this were an investigation involving another university ... that did have a scandal at its doorstep, they were subject to the Right to Know Law," Mutchler told CNN. http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/16/us/pennsylvania-sandusky-case/index.html?eref=igoogledmn_topstories

NitroGSXR
11-16-2011, 10:23 AM
http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/15/mike-mcqueary-email-stopped-rape/#.TsMFcT2VpkY

Mike MCQueary Email
I DID Stop The Rape

Mike McQueary wrote an email in the last week, griping that he's "getting hammered" unfairly because he claims he stopped Jerry Sandusky from continuing to anally rape a 10-year-old before leaving the locker room in 2002.

The email -- obtained by the Associated Press, reads as follows:

"You are the first person I have told this ... and I don't know you extremely well ... and I have been told bye (sic) officials to not say anything ...."

"I did stop it, not physically ... but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room ... I did have discussions with the official at the university in charge of police ... no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds...trust me."

"Do with this what you want ... but I am getting hammered for handling this the right way ... or what I thought at the time was right ... I had to make tough impacting quick decisions."

"This is off record ... again ... I have not and will not say anything to anyone else."

It's unclear who received the email, but it sounds like it was sent to a reporter.

So he observed the rape stopping then left the kid alone with Sandusky? Talked to campus police? In other words, rent-a-cops. McQueary only has himself to blame for his shitty "decisions."

Burn him.

Vinny
11-16-2011, 10:37 AM
So he observed the rape stopping then left the kid alone with Sandusky? Talked to campus police? In other words, rent-a-cops. McQueary only has himself to blame for his shitty "decisions."

Burn him.In most large Schools the Campus Police are real Policemen, not security guards. I think you only find rent a cops in smaller schools. Hell, La Porte High School has real policemen on campus with a station.

Texecutioner
11-16-2011, 10:40 AM
Institutionalized debauchery is what this is about. Beyond Penn State, the entire community appears to be willing to actively turn a blind eye to one of the most disgusting acts imaginable in order to serve some delusional hero myth.

I am finding the entire lot of them to be pathetic.

But this is America and it should serve as no surprise. I hate to keep bringing up guys like Mike Tyson and Michael Jackson, but Americans have been doing this for the last 20 years if someone can sing a great tune, knock a ton of guys out, or be exciting on the football field. How many of Vick's teammates do you think knew that he had a dog fighting ranch before he was ever caught?? I'd be willing to bet that quite a few of them probably visited the place a time or two. Hell, we've got half of Hollywood begging and spewing out the initiative to bring back Roman Pulunsky after he bailed from his crimes. They want him back. Hell, with Michael Jackson they just made a scapegoat out of that Doctor and made a murderer out of him knowing damn well Jackson has been on a suicide lifestyle for the last 10 years, but since it was for sweet little Michael someone had to be the scapegoat and get tarnished for it.

This Penn State thing really shouldn't be much of a surprise that folks turned a blind eye. They've been doing it for years and that's just the state of how Americans in this country operate. They believe in popularity and vanity can go along way to where people will ignore atrocities. Hero worship is way overblown.

Vinny
11-16-2011, 11:37 AM
— Paterno, according to The New York Times, "transferred full ownership of his house to his wife, Sue, for $1 in July." At that time, the grand jury's investigation had been underway for more than a year. Paterno's lawyer told the Times that the transfer was part of the Paternos' estate planning and unrelated to the scandal that would explode four months later. One lawyer who examined the transaction for the Times said, however, that it could have been intended to protect Paterno financially in the event of a civil suit. http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/11/16/142386445/penn-state-scandal-key-witness-says-he-did-talk-with-university-police

NitroGSXR
11-16-2011, 11:52 AM
In most large Schools the Campus Police are real Policemen, not security guards. I think you only find rent a cops in smaller schools. Hell, La Porte High School has real policemen on campus with a station.

True to an extent. They are very real policemen but with limited powers. They MUST turn it over to the city PD because campuses do not have prosecutors or judges, i.e. a legal system.

Vinny
11-16-2011, 12:04 PM
True to an extent. They are very real policemen but with limited powers. They MUST turn it over to the city PD because campuses do not have prosecutors or judges, i.e. a legal system.try telling that to the Police at La Porte High School. The Campus Police at major Universities are real Policemen. You go to jail when they arrest you. They answer to the Public and use the legal system just like normal Police officers.

I linked a story a few posts back about how Penn State is exempt from the Public Records law so if the Campus Police Department falls under that blanket they may as well be Rent-a-Cops...so I get your point.

The more I see how the PA laws are written to report things like child abuse, and how Penn State isn't legally bound to open their records, it just amazes me to think that somebody let this happen. It's like something out of the Soviet Union...its just arrogantly dirty.

2BCF
11-16-2011, 12:09 PM
Paging Dr. Murray, paging Dr. Murray... you're needed at Mr. Sandusky's residence.

The1ApplePie
11-16-2011, 12:34 PM
Would anyone but JoePa get this kind of support from crazy fans?

I doubt Mack Brown, Les Miles, or Saban would have this kind of support from their fanbase and university.

The whole cult of personality around this thing gets more sickening by the moment.

NitroGSXR
11-16-2011, 12:50 PM
try telling that to the Police at La Porte High School. The Campus Police at major Universities are real Policemen. You go to jail when they arrest you. They answer to the Public and use the legal system just like normal Police officers.

I linked a story a few posts back about how Penn State is exempt from the Public Records law so if the Campus Police Department falls under that blanket they may as well be Rent-a-Cops...so I get your point.

The more I see how the PA laws are written to report things like child abuse, and how Penn State isn't legally bound to open their records, it just amazes me to think that somebody let this happen. It's like something out of the Soviet Union...its just arrogantly dirty.

The court of La Ports high school sentences you to 30 to life without the possibility of parole.

Absurd, isn't it? Sure they can arrest you just the same. They ARE an authority figure. Its why I said to an extent. I certainly will not argue with campus police or LaPorteISD cops. That's not what I am referring to. Fyi, Rent-a-cops can shoot and arrest you just the same. When a murder or a rape occurs on campus, the real PD are called. Also another significant difference in campus police because they not only answer to the public but most of all... they answer to the University. I'm betting that's why Sandusy was not arrested that day or any of the others. They're rent-a-cops.

I think I understand why their laws are so screwed up... they have a very "Amish" attitude out there in terms of keeping it in-house.

Vinny
11-16-2011, 01:21 PM
The court of La Ports high school sentences you to 30 to life without the possibility of parole.

Absurd, isn't it? Sure they can arrest you just the same. They ARE an authority figure. Its why I said to an extent. I certainly will not argue with campus police or LaPorteISD cops. That's not what I am referring to. Fyi, Rent-a-cops can shoot and arrest you just the same. When a murder or a rape occurs on campus, the real PD are called. Also another significant difference in campus police because they not only answer to the public but most of all... they answer to the University. I'm betting that's why Sandusy was not arrested that day or any of the others. They're rent-a-cops.

I think I understand why their laws are so screwed up... they have a very "Amish" attitude out there in terms of keeping it in-house.No, those Policemen are real Policemen. They take you to jail. A real jail. They aren't security guards. They are Policemen. The City of LaPorte has a substation there. It's the friggin' Police.

NitroGSXR
11-16-2011, 01:40 PM
No, those Policemen are real Policemen. They take you to jail. A real jail. They aren't security guards. They are Policemen. The City of LaPorte has a substation there. It's the friggin' Police.

Well... I think we're getting our wires crossed somewhere. Let me try to clarify a little. The city of LaPorte PD or UH-PD (employed by the DPS) and campus police such as HISD or CISD are worlds apart. When I say campus police, I'm referring to police employed by the University or school districts.

Dutchrudder
11-16-2011, 04:01 PM
Seriously, this whole college should be burnt to the ground if all these reports are true...


A new victim is claiming another member of the Penn State faculty sexually abused him years ago, and he said when he brought his abuse complaints to university officials, he was turned away.

Paul McLaughlin, who is now in his mid-40s, told ABC News that now-retired Penn State professor John "Jack" Neisworth, who is a nationally acclaimed voice on child development, sexually abused him in the late 1970s to early '80s when he was between the ages of 11 and 15.

McLaughlin said, after repressing the memories of his alleged abuse, that he decided to confront Neisworth over the phone in 2001 as part of his therapy. He tape-recorded the conversation, in which he claims that the professor admitted to performing oral sex on him.

"I was in the process of trying to get him to open up about some of the sexual acts and what not, and he actually interrupted me and says, 'Do you remember driving up on the hill?'" McLaughin said. "I said, 'Wasn't that the first time you went down on me?' He said, 'I don't know if it was the first time but it was certainly fierce,' was his words."

Over the course of a few months from the end of 2001 into early 2002, McLaughlin said he sent his taped conversation with Neisworth to university officials, but each time he was "rejected."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-penn-state-officials-rejected-claims-university-professor/story?id=14960575#.TsQkYHKoTf1

Dutchrudder
11-16-2011, 04:08 PM
The rabbit hole goes even deeper... Is the governor of Pennsylvania also in on this cover up?

After taking office in January of this year, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports, Pennsylvania Governor Tom Corbett approved a $3 million grant for The Second Mile, a children’s charity founded by Jerry Sandusky in 1977 and was, based on the grand jury’s presentment, utilized by Sandusky as a recruiting tool for multiple victims.

Corbett was the state’s attorney general when his office began the investigation into allegations that Sandusky had sexually abused young boys, so he was well aware of both Second Mile and Sandusky’s role in that organization. It should be noted that, after becoming aware of the investigation the year it started, Sandusky was barred by the charity from having contact with children and, in 2010, retired from the charity.

Corbett has been highly critical of several individuals involved in the scandal at Penn State, including Mike McQueary, for their handling of the allegations, as well as speaking in general terms that “we must keep in mind that when it comes to the safety of children, there can be no margin of error, no hesitation to act.” However, he has come under increasing scrutiny himself for the pace of his former office’s investigation into Sandusky.

Now, he will likely come under additional scrutiny for the grant, which was originally approved by Corbett’s predecessor but was not completed by the time Ed Rendell left office. Following a review by Corbett’s office, the $3 million grant was approved in July.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/16/gov-corbett-approved-3-million-grant-to-second-mile/

Showtime100
11-16-2011, 04:28 PM
.....Aaaand down goes the statue (though still unconfirmed at this point, I believe)


http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/report-joe-paterno-statue-to-be-removed-from-outside-penn-states-beaver-stadium.html

axman40
11-16-2011, 10:48 PM
Franco Harris has been an outspoken supporter of Joe Paterno in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse allegations.
So much so that Harris, a Pro Football Hall of Fame running back who played for Paterno at Penn State, was fired by The Meadows Racetrack and Casino (http://communityvoices.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/sports/bob-smiziks-blog/30800-support-for-paterno-costs-harris-) as a spokesman, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported. The racetrack is located in Washington, Pa., just outside Pittsburgh.
Harris publicly expressed his displeasure over Paterno's firing last week.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/feed/2011-11/penn-state-scandal/story/franco-harris-fired-for-joe-paterno-comments?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl10|sec1_lnk3|113449
:tiphat:

Honoring Earl 34
11-17-2011, 08:35 AM
Franco Harris has been an outspoken supporter of Joe Paterno in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse allegations.
So much so that Harris, a Pro Football Hall of Fame running back who played for Paterno at Penn State, was fired by The Meadows Racetrack and Casino (http://communityvoices.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/sports/bob-smiziks-blog/30800-support-for-paterno-costs-harris-) as a spokesman, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported. The racetrack is located in Washington, Pa., just outside Pittsburgh.
Harris publicly expressed his displeasure over Paterno's firing last week.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/feed/2011-11/penn-state-scandal/story/franco-harris-fired-for-joe-paterno-comments?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl10|sec1_lnk3|113449
:tiphat:

I guess Franco isn't as important as he thought .

NitroGSXR
11-17-2011, 08:52 AM
I guess Franco isn't as important as he thought .

Franco Harris sits on the board of the Second Mile as a honorary member so its understandably hard for me to take him seriously right now.

Vinny
11-17-2011, 12:36 PM
what just amazes me is that he was first caught more than ten years ago, so he's been free. The Grand Jury Findings were nearly a year ago so the Institution has read this and Sandusky was free roaming around on their campus. It wasn't until they finally brought charges did Penn State fire the people who covered this up, nearly a year after they knew about the Grand Jury findings. Of course the Judge in the case is an ex-donor to Sandusky's pedo club so Sandusky didn't post a dime in bail money and he is free today, just like he was ten years ago. That's some hard core Soviet-style Comrade justice working there.

Dutchrudder
11-17-2011, 12:36 PM
Money money money...


But prosecutors were able to compel their testimony with grand jury subpoenas, and one boy led to another.

Meanwhile, investigators served numerous subpoenas on the Second Mile, according to people with knowledge of the inquiry. Not only did they want the names of children who had been through the program, they also demanded all of Sandusky’s travel and expense records.

Much of the older paperwork was stored at an off-site records facility. The travel and expense records, for instance, had been sent over several years earlier. But select members of the charity’s board of directors were alarmed to learn recently that when the records facility went to retrieve them, some of those records — from about 2000 to 2003 — were missing.

The attorney general’s office was notified of the missing files, people with knowledge of the case said. Subsequently, the foundation located apparently misfiled records from one of the years, but the rest seem to have disappeared.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/sports/ncaafootball/internet-posting-helped-sandusky-investigators.html?_r=4&pagewanted=3

Playoffs
11-17-2011, 03:25 PM
http://www.totalprosports.com/resize/160x130/r/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/penn-state-logo.jpg

chicagotexan2
11-17-2011, 03:40 PM
Franco Harris has been an outspoken supporter of Joe Paterno in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse allegations.
So much so that Harris, a Pro Football Hall of Fame running back who played for Paterno at Penn State, was fired by The Meadows Racetrack and Casino (http://communityvoices.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/sports/bob-smiziks-blog/30800-support-for-paterno-costs-harris-) as a spokesman, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported. The racetrack is located in Washington, Pa., just outside Pittsburgh.
Harris publicly expressed his displeasure over Paterno's firing last week.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/feed/2011-11/penn-state-scandal/story/franco-harris-fired-for-joe-paterno-comments?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl10|sec1_lnk3|113449
:tiphat:

Well he can always get a job as Gabe Kaplans stunt double if Welcome Back Kotter ever gets re-aired.


http://images.businessweek.com/ss/08/10/1002_power100_second_careers/image/franco-harris.jpg

http://gabekaplan.com/Gabe02md.jpg

Hervoyel
11-17-2011, 04:01 PM
Well... I think we're getting our wires crossed somewhere. Let me try to clarify a little. The city of LaPorte PD or UH-PD (employed by the DPS) and campus police such as HISD or CISD are worlds apart. When I say campus police, I'm referring to police employed by the University or school districts.


They are not worlds apart. They have the exact same set of "powers" across the board (note: What I know about is inside the state of Texas. I assume that this is the same there but who knows). Campus police can do everything that city police can do. They don't have courts or jails because everything they handle goes through the county court and jail but they can handle any investigation that HPD could. In the event that they are faced with something that the do not feel their department has the expertise to handle they can and do request help from the county or in the case of UH for instance HPD. Their juristictions overlap (assuming that whatever crime we're talking about happened on a campus located inside the city of Houston.

ArlingtonTexan
11-17-2011, 04:06 PM
Well he can always get a job as Gabe Kaplans stunt double if Welcome Back Kotter ever gets re-aired.


http://images.businessweek.com/ss/08/10/1002_power100_second_careers/image/franco-harris.jpg

http://gabekaplan.com/Gabe02md.jpg

Kaplan does color on poker and Harris is (sorry was) asociated with a race track...just saying.

Rey
11-17-2011, 04:09 PM
Well he can always get a job as Gabe Kaplans stunt double if Welcome Back Kotter ever gets re-aired.


http://images.businessweek.com/ss/08/10/1002_power100_second_careers/image/franco-harris.jpg

http://gabekaplan.com/Gabe02md.jpg

Wow....

They look just a like...

keyser
11-17-2011, 04:19 PM
They are not worlds apart. They have the exact same set of "powers" across the board (note: What I know about is inside the state of Texas. I assume that this is the same there but who knows). Campus police can do everything that city police can do. They don't have courts or jails because everything they handle goes through the county court and jail but they can handle any investigation that HPD could. In the event that they are faced with something that the do not feel their department has the expertise to handle they can and do request help from the county or in the case of UH for instance HPD. Their juristictions overlap.

Yeah, this is right, at least for several cases. Here at A&M, the campus police is a full-fledged police force, not just a security force (although they have both fully state-certified police officers and security officers on staff). I remember one point they made is that they have authority to operate in any county in the state in which the A&M system owns property, which turns out to be every county.

I know some schools do have security (not police) forces, though, which might be where some of this confusion is coming from.

PsychoLove
11-17-2011, 04:22 PM
Well he can always get a job as Gabe Kaplans stunt double if Welcome Back Kotter ever gets re-aired.


http://images.businessweek.com/ss/08/10/1002_power100_second_careers/image/franco-harris.jpg

http://gabekaplan.com/Gabe02md.jpg

:ohsnap:

NitroGSXR
11-17-2011, 04:47 PM
They are not worlds apart. They have the exact same set of "powers" across the board (note: What I know about is inside the state of Texas. I assume that this is the same there but who knows). Campus police can do everything that city police can do. They don't have courts or jails because everything they handle goes through the county court and jail but they can handle any investigation that HPD could. In the event that they are faced with something that the do not feel their department has the expertise to handle they can and do request help from the county or in the case of UH for instance HPD. Their juristictions overlap (assuming that whatever crime we're talking about happened on a campus located inside the city of Houston.

Thanks for your post. I disagree when comparing campus police to a municipal police department. As per the McCready and the local police denying that he made a report story right now, I have learned that Penn State's force is, as I suspected, employed by Penn State directly so they are merely puppets with all the powers that you have mentioned above (as well as I have). If you are employed by the campus then you are a rent-a-cop.

In the case of UH, they have more authority than HPD because they are run and employed by the DPS. They are actually DPS officers. I have received my fair share of scolding because our fraternity has had plenty of run-ins with the UH police.

srrono
11-18-2011, 07:36 AM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Promotional-Penn-State-buttons-removed-after-som?urn=ncaaf-wp10079

jgl35
11-18-2011, 08:11 AM
Requirements to become a law enforcement officer on a college campus in Pa.

1000 hours training. Some college attendence.
Local police receive 1100 hours. No college.

Training in first aid/CPR. defensive driving ,criminal investgation, defense tactics, firearms, criminal law, hassassment and sensitivty, and crime scene training.

Officers working at state supported school such as Penn State or the 13 smaller state supported schools are paid by the State of Pa., making them state employees.

This should put an end to the rent a cop talk.

GlassHalfFull
11-18-2011, 08:17 AM
This should put an end to the rent a cop talk.

Your naivete impresses me.

NitroGSXR
11-18-2011, 09:06 AM
Requirements to become a law enforcement officer on a college campus in Pa.

1000 hours training. Some college attendence.
Local police receive 1100 hours. No college.

Training in first aid/CPR. defensive driving ,criminal investgation, defense tactics, firearms, criminal law, hassassment and sensitivty, and crime scene training.

Officers working at state supported school such as Penn State or the 13 smaller state supported schools are paid by the State of Pa., making them state employees.

This should put an end to the rent a cop talk.

I would never disagree with any of that. I absolutely expect the requirements to be as leinent as it is for police officers in general. Either way, I have definitely done a poor job of trying to translate my position so I will go ahead and concede this one despite the confusion. I wish I could have conveyed it better.

One thing, could I have the link where you got that information? I am particularly interested in how they get paid.

Vinny
11-18-2011, 09:39 AM
I would never disagree with any of that. I absolutely expect the requirements to be as leinent as it is for police officers in general. Either way, I have definitely done a poor job of trying to translate my position so I will go ahead and concede this one despite the confusion. I wish I could have conveyed it better.

One thing, could I have the link where you got that information? I am particularly interested in how they get paid.He is a local...he lives there. I can't imagine sending my Daughter to a University with 30K plus kids and only having "security guards" without Police powers.

eriadoc
11-18-2011, 10:00 AM
Thanks for your post. I disagree when comparing campus police to a municipal police department. As per the McCready and the local police denying that he made a report story right now, I have learned that Penn State's force is, as I suspected, employed by Penn State directly so they are merely puppets with all the powers that you have mentioned above (as well as I have). If you are employed by the campus then you are a rent-a-cop.

In the case of UH, they have more authority than HPD because they are run and employed by the DPS. They are actually DPS officers. I have received my fair share of scolding because our fraternity has had plenty of run-ins with the UH police.

I think this statement is the root of all the confusion in this discussion. Rent-A-Cops, in most people's minds, are security guards - mall cops - even armed guards. Police officers here in Houston are hired by many private businesses to perform various duties in their off duty hours. They are still 100% real cops (one major problem I have with them) and still carry the weight of authority that goes along with that. That's not a Rent-A-Cop, even though that cop has effectively been "rented" by the private business for traffic control, security, etc. They're still 100% real cop and even though they're off duty, still have all the authority of a cop (which means we effectively have no civilian police force in this country anymore).

So if a real, honest to goodness police officer is employed by Ped State, and if they have the same setup as TX, those cops are full-on cops. However, you could easily make the argument that there's a gigantic conflict of interest. Given the action taken, I think that it's possible that the campus police were given their marching orders from Ped State rather than the State of Pennsylvania.

NitroGSXR
11-18-2011, 10:09 AM
He is a local...he lives there. I can't imagine sending my Daughter to a University with 30K plus kids and only having "security guards" without Police powers.

I did not miss that. I noticed he was from PA. My request is not to doubt him but merely to read and educate myself. Asking for a link seems to be a touchy subject these days...

As for the "security guards" without police powers comment... the confusion continues because I never said it like that neither is it what I meant. I would like to take back the "rent-a-cop" statement and change it to something a bit less broad... "police officers who answer to a non-legal entity behind closed doors". Maybe that could clarify it a little better?

As for sending your kid to a college with a limited force... millions of others do because you'd be fooling yourself if you don't think the campus police takes orders from the President of Penn State. The ryhthmic-slapping 10yr old victim would probably agree with me.

jgl35
11-18-2011, 10:10 AM
I would never disagree with any of that. I absolutely expect the requirements to be as leinent as it is for police officers in general. Either way, I have definitely done a poor job of trying to translate my position so I will go ahead and concede this one despite the confusion. I wish I could have conveyed it better.

One thing, could I have the link where you got that information? I am particularly interested in how they get paid.

My link to this is walking three blocks to the police station at West Chester U., talking to people there about requirements it takes to be a campus police officer, being shown a manual on training and duties.
Being a state funded college, West Chester's requirements are the same as Penn State, only diference is size.
As far as pay, the word state should answer that question. Everyone who works at a state supported college is a state worker and is paid by the state of Pa.

Now for some history.
Up until the '60's the Pa. State Police were responsible for police coverage at state funded schools. During the Veit Nam protests, Pa. formed on campus police forces due to responce time and taking away from other duties of the State Police.

Vinny
11-18-2011, 10:13 AM
However, you could easily make the argument that there's a gigantic conflict of interest. Given the action taken, I think that it's possible that the campus police were given their marching orders from Ped State rather than the State of Pennsylvania.
Look at how eye witnessess only have to report to someone corporate instead of the law, how the "law" answered directly to the University President Graham Spanier. Look at how Sandusky didn't pay a nickel of bail or bond money and is out free and probably making lots of calls intimidating his witnesses. Hell, that arrogant institution "fired" Graham Spanier as University President, but you know what? He's still has a job on campus as a Professor. The entire Institution is a friggin' conflict of interest and I stopped getting shocked at their Soviet Union style of bureaucratic leadership. I kind of see the Institution as a criminal enterprise at this point.

Even though he was fired from the presidency of Penn State on Wednesday, Graham Spanier will still be presence on campus.

At a press conference on Friday, interim Penn State president Rodney Erikson announced that Spanier will still be employed as a professor in the university's Health and Human Development department. Spanier is currently a tenured member of the faculty.

Spanier was fired from his post as university president after a grand jury report alleged that in 2002, Spanier was alerted to the fact that Jerry Sandusky, former defensive coach of the Nittany Lions was seen by an eye-witness sodomizing a child in the showers, but did nothing but bar Sandusky from campus-- a rule that was eventually disregarded. Spanier maintains he only found out about the charges last month. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/09/graham-spanier-ousted_n_1084415.html

NitroGSXR
11-18-2011, 10:14 AM
I think this statement is the root of all the confusion in this discussion. Rent-A-Cops, in most people's minds, are security guards - mall cops - even armed guards. Police officers here in Houston are hired by many private businesses to perform various duties in their off duty hours. They are still 100% real cops (one major problem I have with them) and still carry the weight of authority that goes along with that. That's not a Rent-A-Cop, even though that cop has effectively been "rented" by the private business for traffic control, security, etc. They're still 100% real cop and even though they're off duty, still have all the authority of a cop (which means we effectively have no civilian police force in this country anymore).

So if a real, honest to goodness police officer is employed by Ped State, and if they have the same setup as TX, those cops are full-on cops. However, you could easily make the argument that there's a gigantic conflict of interest. Given the action taken, I think that it's possible that the campus police were given their marching orders from Ped State rather than the State of Pennsylvania.

It took me 20+ minutes to write the post above. This was a hard one for me to translate into written words.

Conflict of interest. D'oh! I made it harder than it should have been. Thank you for your post. It's exactly what I was trying to convey.

Hervoyel
11-18-2011, 10:53 AM
Yeah, this is right, at least for several cases. Here at A&M, the campus police is a full-fledged police force, not just a security force (although they have both fully state-certified police officers and security officers on staff). I remember one point they made is that they have authority to operate in any county in the state in which the A&M system owns property, which turns out to be every county.

I know some schools do have security (not police) forces, though, which might be where some of this confusion is coming from.

Actually as Texas peace officers they have jurisdiction anywhere in the state. A&M is where they work, Texas is where their authority comes from. If they're driving through Austin and see a crime they can deal with it. At that point they could handle it and get assistance from local law enforcment (which would be unusual but totally legal) and take that person to the county jail there. More likely though they would turn the matter over to Austin PD because it's their "turf" and they already have all the apparatus in place to do the job. Why overcomplicate it. Aggie PD guy would in that case simply return to be a witness if necessary.

Wolf
11-18-2011, 05:17 PM
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP)—Former Penn State coach Joe Paterno has a treatable form of lung cancer, according to his son.

Scott Paterno said in a statement provided to The Associated Press by a family representative on Friday that the 84-year-old Joe Paterno is undergoing treatment and that “his doctors are optimistic he will make a full recovery.”

“As everyone can appreciate, this is a deeply personal matter for my parents, and we simply ask that his privacy be respected as he proceeds with treatment,” Scott Paterno said in a brief statement.

Scott Paterno said the diagnosis was made during a follow-up visit last weekend for a bronchial illness.

Earlier Friday, The Citizens Voice of Wilkes-Barre reported that Paterno had been seen Wednesday visiting the Mount Nittany Medical Center and was treated for an undisclosed ailment and released.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pennstate-paterno

Vinny
11-19-2011, 04:39 PM
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. – Penn State University received almost $250,000 for a series of sleepover camps in 2008 and 2009 run by the charity group founded by Jerry Sandusky - years after ex-athletic director Tim Curley imposed an “unenforceable” ban on the accused child molester from entering the school’s sports facilities and main campus.

Financial records obtained by FoxNews.com show $124,587 was given to Penn State by The Second Mile in 2009. The year before, in 2008, the university received $119,592 from The Second Mile. The money is listed under “food and lodging” in charity records, and officials said the payments were made on a series of week-long sleepover camps.

Penn State apparently took money for the camps months after the mother of a high school freshman contacted authorities in the spring of 2008 saying her son had been abused by Sandusky. That allegation kick-started the grand jury investigation that earlier this month indicted Sandusky on 40 counts of child sex abuse charges.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/19/penn-state-paid-by-sanduskys-charity-for-use-facilities-as-recently-as-2009/#ixzz1eBp7f5rN

keyser
11-20-2011, 06:26 PM
Actually as Texas peace officers they have jurisdiction anywhere in the state. A&M is where they work, Texas is where their authority comes from. If they're driving through Austin and see a crime they can deal with it. At that point they could handle it and get assistance from local law enforcment (which would be unusual but totally legal) and take that person to the county jail there. More likely though they would turn the matter over to Austin PD because it's their "turf" and they already have all the apparatus in place to do the job. Why overcomplicate it. Aggie PD guy would in that case simply return to be a witness if necessary.

Hmmm. I didn't know there was a distinction. Most of what I've seen says that police have jurisdiction in the county in which they're employed (even if employed by a city). So, a College Station police officer could not arrest (except as a citizen's arrest) in Austin, for instance. Whereas an A&M police officer would have jursidiction in most if not all of the state.

Dan B.
11-21-2011, 03:20 PM
Victim One, the first known alleged victim of abuse by former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky, had to leave his school in the middle of his senior year because of bullying, his counselor said Sunday.


http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/alleged_jerry_sandusky_victim.html

Double Barrel
11-21-2011, 03:37 PM
After reading Vinny's last link, I think the 'death penalty' is in order for that entire university. Burn that place to the ground as far as I'm concerned. Their systematic cover-up of perpetual heinous acts reveals a fundamental "rotten to the core" atmosphere about the entire institution.

It's no wonder Paterno seemingly thought that he was insulated and protected when so many people in power were willing to turn a blind eye to the raping of children. He's merely a symptom - a by-product - of a diseased system that should just be eradicated.

GlassHalfFull
11-22-2011, 02:09 PM
More joy from Happy Valley

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204443404577052073672561402.html?m od=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond

STATE COLLEGE, Pa.—Legendary Penn State football coach Joe Paterno clashed repeatedly with the university's former chief disciplinarian over how harshly to punish players who got into trouble, internal emails suggest, shedding new light on the school's effort to balance its reputation as a magnet for scholar-athletes with the demands of running a nationally dominant football program.

Vinny
11-22-2011, 02:32 PM
More joy from Happy Valley

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204443404577052073672561402.html?m od=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond
Paterno is a pathetic hypocritical pos. That football program deserves the death penalty.
In an Aug. 12, 2005, email to Pennsylvania State University President Graham Spanier and others, Vicky Triponey, the university's standards and conduct officer, complained that Mr. Paterno believed she should have "no interest, (or business) holding our football players accountable to our community standards. The Coach is insistent he knows best how to discipline his players…and their status as a student when they commit violations of our standards should NOT be our concern…and I think he was saying we should treat football players different from other students in this regard."

The confrontations came to a head in 2007, according to one former school official, when six football players were charged by police for forcing their way into a campus apartment that April and beating up several students, one of them severely. That September, following a tense meeting with Mr. Paterno over the case, she resigned her post, saying at the time she left because of "philosophical differences."

..."Coach Paterno would rather we NOT inform the public when a football player is found responsible for committing a serious violation of the law and/or our student code," she wrote, "despite any moral or legal obligation to do so."In an email to Mr. Spanier on Sept. 1, Dr. Triponey wrote of Mr. Paterno: "I do not support the way this man is running our football program. We certainly would not tolerate this behavior in our students so I struggle with how we tolerate it in our coach."

That same fall, Dr. Triponey's office suspended Dan Connor, a Penn State linebacker, who had been accused of making harassing calls to a retired assistant coach. Shortly after the suspension was handed down, Mr. Paterno ordered the player to suit up, according to a person familiar with the matter. Dr. Triponey informed the player that if he suited up for practice, he would be in violation of his suspension and could face expulsion. Mr. Connor says he recalled being suspended only for games, not practice.

The incident prompted Mr. Spanier to visit Dr. Triponey at her home. Dr. Triponey confirms he told her that Mr. Paterno had given him an ultimatum: Fire her, or Mr. Paterno would stop fund-raising for the school. She says Mr. Spanier told her that if forced to choose, he would choose her over the coach—but that he did not want to have to make that choice.In 2007, as many as two dozen players broke into an off-campus apartment, sparking a melee that captured headlines and prompted the police to file criminal charges against six Penn State football players. "Pretty much the entire Penn State defense broke in and started swinging bar stools and stuff," says John Britt, then a third-year criminal-justice major who was beaten up in the incident. Mr. Britt says he took a beer bottle to the back of the head—and that players apparently continued to beat him after he'd lost consciousness. (Now 25, Mr. Britt serves warrants for state court in Philadelphia.)

Dr. Triponey's department began an inquiry. According to a Penn State employee's record of the proceedings, Mr. Spanier was involved in at least nine meetings with representatives of the judicial-affairs department, and Mr. Paterno was involved in at least six.

In a meeting with Messrs. Paterno and Spanier and others, Dr. Triponey complained that the players were stonewalling her and suggested that Mr. Paterno ought to compel them to be truthful, according to one person familiar with the meeting. Mr. Paterno angrily responded that his players couldn't be expected to cooperate with the school's disciplinary process because, in this case, they would have to testify against each other, making it hard to play football together, these people say.

PsychoLove
11-22-2011, 02:59 PM
Paterno is a pathetic hypocritical pos. That football program deserves the death penalty.

What a piece of work............:facepalm:

http://www.bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/FIRED-not-RETIRED.jpg

Vinny
11-22-2011, 03:05 PM
William Britt, a police sergeant in Philadelphia's homicide division, said he's not surprised by the alleged coverup. "I see how this happens (at Penn State). We lived it," Britt said.

In April 2007, as many as two dozen football players forced their way into a party at an off-campus apartment and assaulted several students at the party, including Britt's son, Jack, who was severely beaten. Six players faced criminal charges as a result of the brawl. In the end, many of the charges against the players were dismissed, and two players pleaded guilty to misdemeanor offenses.

..."The coach was literally telling his players that they couldn't cooperate with judicial affairs or they would get kicked off the team. So we were going nowhere in getting to the bottom of things," Triponey said. "I said to the coach, 'This would be so much easier if you would tell your players just to tell the truth.' He was livid, and the message to me was, 'I can't do that. They have to play for me and I can't ask them to rat on each other.' The president also chimed in and said, 'Vicky, the coach is right. We can't expect the players to tell the truth.' So that's the environment that was underlying this whole debate about who's in charge." http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2011-11-22/11-22-11-Paterno-Discipline/51346682/1

Honoring Earl 34
11-22-2011, 03:13 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2011-11-22/11-22-11-Paterno-Discipline/51346682/1

I've read where McQueary is in charge of recruiting and sent Sandusky recruiting last spring .

Double Barrel
11-22-2011, 04:05 PM
Mr. Paterno had given him an ultimatum: Fire her, or Mr. Paterno would stop fund-raising for the school.

Wow!....just....WOW! :dontknowa

His entire personae was just a charade. Dude is a fake! Instead of being a standard of excellence and integrity by which to judge college coaches, he's the poster-boy for unscrupulous abuse of power.

What a pathetic individual.

Hervoyel
11-22-2011, 04:58 PM
Hmmm. I didn't know there was a distinction. Most of what I've seen says that police have jurisdiction in the county in which they're employed (even if employed by a city). So, a College Station police officer could not arrest (except as a citizen's arrest) in Austin, for instance. Whereas an A&M police officer would have jursidiction in most if not all of the state.

Well, most of what you've seen and what people consider common knowledge is wrong and reinforced by television and movies. That "Get across the county line and they can't touch you" plot device is very convenient but in Texas it's just not true. Texas Peace Officer means exactly what it says. Your authority is derived from the state, your paycheck from the agency that pays you. I used to do this and that's what we were taught. I don't believe anything has changed in that regard.

CloakNNNdagger
12-17-2011, 05:26 PM
BETTER than the TWINKIE DEFENSE.

Sandusky attorney launches ‘proper shower technique’ defense
Posted by John Taylor on December 15, 2011, 1:37 PM EST


With each passing day, this Jerry Sandusky rabbit hole continues to get deeper and darker. And a whole helluva lot more disturbing.

In an interview with WHTM-TV, attorney Karl Rominger, the newest member of the former Penn State defensive coordinator’s defense team, offered up an interesting — and creepy — explanation as to why Sandusky showered alone with boys as young as 10 years old he had met through his Second Mile charity.

“Some of these kids don’t have basic hygiene skills,” Rominger told the television station, presumably with a straight face throughout. “Teaching a person to shower at the age of 12 or 14 sounds strange to some people, but people who work with troubled youth will tell you there are a lot of juvenile delinquents and people who are dependent who have to be taught basic life skills like how to put soap on their body.”

(In the interest of fairness, we’re going to assume Mr. Rominger is a real attorney with a degree and everything and not a well-executed plant from The Onion.)

In an apparent effort to bolster this latest defense tactic, Rominger noted during the interview that his college cross-country coach often showered with the team. Of course, Rominger was neither 10 years old nor alone when these showers took place, so it’s unclear what his college experience has to do with his client’s situation.

Sandusky has admitted in previous interviews that he showered with boys and engaged in horse-play with them while showering, although he did concede that he “shouldn’t have showered with those kids.” In the original 40-count indictment against Sandusky, a witness alleged to have seen the retired assistant sodomizing a 10-year-old boy in the shower of Penn State’s football building in 2002.

His answer to — or more specifically, the hesitation in answering — the question posed during his interview with Bob Costas of whether he was sexually attracted to young boys was the final nail in the coffin of public opinion.

Rominger seems to think Sandusky’s lack of eloquence, rather than his alleged actions, is working against his client.

“The problem is if you’re an innocent person who’s not articulate, you’re not going to come across well, but you’re still innocent,” Rominger said. “A guilty person who is very articulate might come across innocent. So it’s not a fair fight.”

Earlier this week, Sandusky waived his right to a preliminary hearing in which he likely would’ve faced at least some of his 10 alleged victims.

UPDATED 5:57 p.m. ET: If backpedaling were an Olympic event, Rominger would be the prohibitive gold-medal favorite at the 2012 London games. The following is comes from the Associated Press.

“Rominger said in a statement Thursday that he only was giving a hypothetical example of why a person might shower with an adolescent. He noted he never said Sandusky touched boys in a shower.”

I’m no lawyer, and I didn’t sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but my legal advice to the lawyer would be to shut the hell up on all fronts. His mileage may vary, however.



Rominger, caught in a deeply pensive moment

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qWnqmU6SDpQ/TrE6PQKI5NI/AAAAAAAAATU/iqgx-cmwd0c/s1600/stupid.jpg

GlassHalfFull
06-21-2012, 08:28 PM
Sandusky Trial Rocked When Adopted Son Says He Was Abused Too (http://abcnews.go.com/US/sandusky-trial-hears-jerry-sandusky-slammed-accusers-cops/story?id=16618378#.T-O6AfWvPt8)

Jerry Sandusky's sex abuse trial ended today with an emotional plea from the prosecutor to convict the former Penn State football coach and then a bombshell revelation that his adopted son had told prosecutors he was willing to testify against Sandusky.

The jury of seven women and five men were sequestered this afternoon to begin deliberating Sandusky's guilty or innocence on 48 charges of sex absue.

While they met behind closed doors, Matt Sandusky -- who had defended the man who adopted him throughout the investigation -- issued a statement saying that he had been prepared to tell the jury that he had been sexually abused too.

"Matt Sandusky, one of Jerry Sandusky's adopted children, asked us to confirm with you... that he was prepared to testify truthfully as a Commonwealth witness," said the statement issued by lawyers Andrew Shubin and Justine Andronici.

"During the trial, Matt Sandusky contacted us and requested our advice and assistance in arranging a meeting with prosecutors to disclose for the first time in this case that he is a victim of Jerry Sandusky's abuse. At Matt's request, we immediately arranged a meeting between him and the prosecutors and investigators," the statement said.

"This has been an extremely painful experience for Matt... There will be no further comment at this time," the lawyers said.

Sources close to the case said that Matt Sandusky, one of six children adopted by the Sanduskys, contacted prosecutors late last week to say that he was willing to testify. Prosecutors couldn't call him to the stand for direct questioning because he was not included in the charges against his father.

But they could have called Matt Sandusky to the stand as a rebuttal witness if Jerry Sandusky took the stand, sources said.

Lawyers for Jerry Sandusky said they were considering allowing him to testifyup until the last day of testimony Wednesday when the changed their mind.

The bolded answers why Sandusky didn't take the stand. I was wondering, since he was expected to.

Playoffs
06-22-2012, 09:01 AM
With each passing day, this Jerry Sandusky rabbit hole continues to get deeper and darker. And a whole helluva lot more disturbing.

No truer statement... still to this day.

Honoring Earl 34
06-22-2012, 09:08 AM
I guess Dottie is going to say Matt is lying .

Either she is part of it or is in an extreme state of denial .

http://www.kanoapps.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/warrior_executioner1.jpg

2012Champs
06-22-2012, 10:38 AM
Sandusky Trial Rocked When Adopted Son Says He Was Abused Too (http://abcnews.go.com/US/sandusky-trial-hears-jerry-sandusky-slammed-accusers-cops/story?id=16618378#.T-O6AfWvPt8)



The bolded answers why Sandusky didn't take the stand. I was wondering, since he was expected to.



Interesting to see this morning that the prosecution didnt really want to use him as a witness since he said over and over again that Jerry did nothing to him and that the reversal would open him up to strong cross examination

Honoring Earl 34
06-22-2012, 11:04 AM
Interesting to see this morning that the prosecution didnt really want to use him as a witness since he said over and over again that Jerry did nothing to him and that the reversal would open him up to strong cross examination

I would think it's extremely hard to go relive all that .

2012Champs
06-22-2012, 11:16 AM
I would think it's extremely hard to go relive all that .



No doubt. Not to mention the mind warp of supporting your "dad" and your "mother" all the while knowing they arent telling the truth

Honoring Earl 34
06-22-2012, 11:37 AM
No doubt. Not to mention the mind warp of supporting your "dad" and your "mother" all the while knowing they arent telling the truth

The ex daughter in law knew what was up . She filed a restaining order on Sandusky really fast . I think it's called Stockholm Syndrome when you ptotect the guilty .

Texan_Bill
06-22-2012, 10:12 PM
GUILTY!! Or so I heard... No links as of yet!

Honoring Earl 34
06-22-2012, 10:22 PM
GUILTY!! Or so I heard... No links as of yet!

I would think so . I think the issue is how many counts but one is way to many .

I hope that they took into consideration that the Second mile was Sandusky's Neverland ranch ( whatever Jackos home was called ) designed to lure boys in .