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CloakNNNdagger
11-05-2011, 03:26 PM
I guess the Browns offense is predictable because they have no weapons. If you have no weapons you can only hope to run the simplest of plays........and run them virtually "perfectly." The problem is they don't even run a simple scheme "well."



Mike Holmgren and Pat Shurmur were supposed to bring a new era of offensive efficiency to Cleveland.

Instead, Colt McCoy has regressed this year and the offense is worse than it was than when Eric Mangini was the head coach. Michael Lombardi of NFL.com gives a great example of Cleveland’s predictability.

Lombardi says each week, he calls a former coach on the phone and plays a game with him.

“I tell my friend the personnel group, the formation, where the ball is located on the field and what hash mark and describe the motion — if there is any — and ask him to tell me the exact play that will be run. He is correct about 95 percent of the time. No lie.

“The Browns are so integrated into the West Coast system that their predictability is becoming legendary around the league,” Lombardi writes.

The Browns are running the purest West Coast offense in the league. Other successful teams run West Coast offenses, but they mix up their systems a lot more.

If a coach on the phone knows what play is coming from the Browns, you can be sure opposing defensive coordinators know what’s coming too.link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/05/browns-offense-getting-reputation-for-predictability/)

EllisUnit
11-05-2011, 03:43 PM
Well wade is one of the best at getting the right play for the defense in and knowing what the Offense is going to do. Will be fun.

texanhead08
11-05-2011, 04:31 PM
If we force them to pass we should win going away.

hradhak
11-05-2011, 04:56 PM
Well, it doesn't help that they have the Vince Young of running backs. He's crying about not playing and his last season production wasn't that great to begin with. Colt McCoy was never the QB of the future. The longest pass he threw in college was 3 yards down field. It doesn't help that they have no WR talent either.

Our pass game could get tested though. The Browns have decent corners.

CloakNNNdagger
11-05-2011, 05:05 PM
Well, it doesn't help that they have the Vince Young of running backs. He's crying about not playing and his last season production wasn't that great to begin with. Colt McCoy was never the QB of the future. The longest pass he threw in college was 3 yards down field. It doesn't help that they have no WR talent either.

Our pass game could get tested though. The Browns have decent corners.

HAD the Vince Young of running backs, but certainly not for this game.
Report: Browns are prepared to move on from Hillis (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/05/report-browns-are-prepared-to-move-on-from-hillis/)

hradhak
11-05-2011, 05:09 PM
HAD the Vince Young of running backs, but certainly not for this game.
Report: Browns are prepared to move on from Hillis (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/05/report-browns-are-prepared-to-move-on-from-hillis/)

Yup. And they should. He's had one good season so far. Certainly not worth the $10 mil he's asking for

TejasTom
11-05-2011, 06:36 PM
I saw this thread coming...

ObsiWan
11-06-2011, 05:18 AM
I saw this thread coming...

Bwahahahahaha
I saw what you did there

Maddict5
11-06-2011, 05:36 AM
well then i guess it will be a predictably dirty game when the two offences are on the field

unabated
11-06-2011, 06:03 AM
HAD the Vince Young of running backs, but certainly not for this game.
Report: Browns are prepared to move on from Hillis (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/05/report-browns-are-prepared-to-move-on-from-hillis/)

Interesting story about Hillis, not sure what the other half of that story is ... would be interesting to find out. Sounds like some drama to me, not sure about him going to get married, during the season, especially when he's suppose to be receiving treatment for his hamstring.

CloakNNNdagger
11-06-2011, 06:54 AM
Interesting story about Hillis, not sure what the other half of that story is ... would be interesting to find out. Sounds like some drama to me, not sure about him going to get married, during the season, especially when he's suppose to be receiving treatment for his hamstring.

This might explain some things:

Hillis could be running out of time at Cleveland (http://www.zanesvilletimesrecorder.com/article/20111106/SPORTS/111060340/Hillis-could-running-out-time-Cleveland)
Nov. 6, 2011 |

Written by
Tom Withers
Associated Press


CLEVELAND -- Peyton Hillis is out of today's game in Houston, and the way things are going for the Browns running back, it might not be long before he's out of Cleveland for good.

Hillis was downgraded from questionable to out on the team's injury report Saturday, one day after the Browns' beleaguered back reinjured his left hamstring on a running play during the early portion of practice open to reporters. Hillis, who will miss his third consecutive game with the injury, underwent an MRI.

The team has not disclosed results of the test, but when Hillis was dropped off at the training facility after the MRI, his leg was heavily wrapped and he walked with a pronounced limp. It appears the 25-year-old Madden '12 cover boy might miss a few more games.

If the injury is serious enough, the Browns might choose to place him on injured reserve, ending his circus-like second season and potentially closing his star-crossed career with Cleveland. Hillis, who rushed for 1,177 yards and 11 touchdowns in 2010, is making $600,000 in the final year of his rookie contract and will be a free agent after the season.

The Browns appear ready to let him go.

Although popular with Cleveland fans, Hillis has irritated teammates with his antics.

"Guys are growing tired of the distractions and always wondering what's next," one Browns player said on condition of anonymity.

The problems began when Hillis chose to speak publicly about negotiations for a new contract with the Browns, talks that have since bogged down. Next came him missing a Sept. 25 game against Miami with strep throat on the advice of his agent, Kennard McGuire, the third agent to represent Hillis in the past year.

Players didn't doubt Hillis was sick, but when Pro Bowl center Alex Mack played a full game despite an appendicitis attack that required surgery the next day, it unintentionally made Hillis' illness seem trite. Hillis then hurt his hamstring Oct. 16 against Oakland and missed the next game.

Last week, Hillis went to Arkansas to get married and missed a rehab session for his injured hamstring. He returned and practiced the next day, but aggravated his injury and sat out last week's game in San Francisco. Still, he managed to anger his teammates by standing on the field at Candlestick Park during pregame warmups, rifling footballs at the crossbar in a competition with third-string quarterback Thad Lewis.

On Monday, Hillis missed a scheduled appearance at a Halloween party for kids, blaming a "miscommunication" with his management team for the absence, apologizing and pledging to make it up to the children.

Earlier this week, Hillis said he thought there were no issues between him and his teammates.

"I think everything's great," he said Wednesday, when asked if things were "cool" with Cleveland's other players. "Guys in the locker room, they understand a lot of situations, and other situations that they probably don't understand, you talk about it with them, then you understand."

That day, members of the Browns' "leadership group" confronted Hillis to talk to him about his erratic behavior. The meeting was first reported by Yahoo! Sports and confirmed by several Browns.

A player who attended the meeting described it as a "very positive conversation."

The player said the message to Hillis was: "If you're hurt, then work to get healthy. Don't have pregame quarterback competitions, missed treatments, etc."

Hillis seemed on track to get back on the field this week. He reported no problems after practicing Thursday, but on a run up the middle early in Friday's workout, Hillis came up limping and grabbed his hamstring. He spiked the ball in frustration and flung his helmet to the ground, all in view of media members.

As he was escorted by a trainer back to the facility, Hillis passed Browns president Mike Holmgren, who at that point was unaware Hillis was hurt again.

In October, Holmgren said talks with Hillis on an extension had become "kind of quiet," but that didn't mean the team wouldn't be open to trying to re-sign him in free agency. Holmgren said the sides had agreed to "let Peyton play, let the dust settle and see what happens."

Well, Hillis isn't playing, the dust remains airborne and what's happened hasn't been good for Hillis or the Browns.

unabated
11-06-2011, 07:41 AM
Good article, explains a lot, thanks CND.