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beerlover
11-01-2011, 04:19 AM
First Round: Stephon Gilmore, Junior CB, South Carolina, 6010 194


Rangy, long wingspan, exhibits rare body control & ball skills for position. Loose hips, very good long speed in 4.4 range, physical in run support, has exceptional closing speed & instincts. Very similar to fellow alum Jonathan Joseph, would make bookend gamecocks.

excuse me time for another beer on that note :beerfunnel:

Second Round: Melvin Ingram, Senior DE/DT, South Carolina, 6020 275

Stout, low build to the ground, very strong with athletic moves for a big. High motor Wade likes, passion for the game not afraid to mix it up inside & has multiple pass rush moves to beat defenders. Have a very good feel for this kid & think he is low risk high reward, like Brooks but more in the box.

Third Round: Arthur Brown, Junior ILB, Kansas State, 6010 230

I'm looking for a home run, nickle package cover LB with athletic ability to stop TE's & RB's in their tracks. Short area explosiveness, instinctual with nose for the ball. Texans should be willing to trade up top of third if still available & trade out of the 5th to do it.

Fourth Round: James Brown, Senior, OG/RG, Troy, 6040 312

Powerful, road grader with excellent feet who could also swing out to tackle. Small school I see him going early in the 5th but if Texans do trade back he could still very well be one of their targets. Has everything to compete at the next level & fight Brisel for the starting RG position as a rookie.

Fifth Round: Travian Robertson, Senior DT/NT, South Carolina, 6402 303

Sense a Gamecock theme? Well here is your nose, a more svelte than imagined but fits Wade Phillips parameters for position. Athletic & disruptive someone who fits in rotation. Good explosiveness should be a solid pro & fit here in Houston making his transition easier, fellow line mate Ingram.

Sixth Round: Jared Karstetter, Senior WR, Washington State, 6040 215

Texans gave up a 7th for Mason so this is backend heavy @ WR. The way the draft looks to fall Texans are out of position in both 1st & 2nd rounds to grab a legitimate difference maker so I think Rick Smith will effort to land a big time free agent & address WR need via this route. Basicly with this pick & Mason he's adding three camp bodies to compete with existing players. Of course there is no guarantee Karstetter is anything more that PS material but he is very smart (going to be a dentist) sure handed big WR who usess body well, above average blocker & effective red zone target. Very under rated & not well followed.

BL :wesmantexanfan:

Wolf6151
11-01-2011, 11:06 AM
1. Gilmore, I'd prefer a NT like Ta'amu in the 1st round but I've had Gilmore in one of my mocks as well and he is a very good player and would also help solve one of the teams biggest weaknesses so I can't argue against the pick. Good pick, fits a major need.
2. Ingram, You really think he's available in the late 2nd round? If so he's a good player and great value this late.
3. Brown, I don't know anything about him but he seems small to play ILB in the NFL unless he adds some weight. This also seems early for a backup ILB when there's better value usually in O-linemen in the 3rd round and we need O-line talent.
4. Brown, I don't know anything about him but I'd flip the #3 and #4 position picks, O-line starter before ILB backup.
5. Robertson, I've had him in my mocks as well and think that he'd be good DE depth. I don't think he's an NFL NT at all.
6. Karstetter, I don't know anything about him and it's not the position I would have chosen for depth this late but as long as he can play special teams well and busts his butt to be a part of the WR rotation then I don't have a problem with him. I think there's alot of good WR talent in this draft and we should be able to get a good one in the 2nd round.

beerlover
11-01-2011, 11:52 AM
1. Gilmore, I'd prefer a NT like Ta'amu in the 1st round but I've had Gilmore in one of my mocks as well and he is a very good player and would also help solve one of the teams biggest weaknesses so I can't argue against the pick. Good pick, fits a major need.
2. Ingram, You really think he's available in the late 2nd round? If so he's a good player and great value this late.
3. Brown, I don't know anything about him but he seems small to play ILB in the NFL unless he adds some weight. This also seems early for a backup ILB when there's better value usually in O-linemen in the 3rd round and we need O-line talent.
4. Brown, I don't know anything about him but I'd flip the #3 and #4 position picks, O-line starter before ILB backup.
5. Robertson, I've had him in my mocks as well and think that he'd be good DE depth. I don't think he's an NFL NT at all.
6. Karstetter, I don't know anything about him and it's not the position I would have chosen for depth this late but as long as he can play special teams well and busts his butt to be a part of the WR rotation then I don't have a problem with him. I think there's alot of good WR talent in this draft and we should be able to get a good one in the 2nd round.

It would be fascinating to see Gilmore compete in camp next year against the likes of Kareem & Allen completing a long standing, frustrating revamp of corner situation.

Ingram is a multifaceted linemen who some feel could wind up playing NT in a 3-4 like Wade employ's. To me his natural fit is a 5 tech DE in a 3-4 but could also fill similar role to how Mario is being used. Wishful thinking late 2nd rd. but you just never know this early, a lot of things will change before April & it's not like he fits your typical DT profile.

I agree with OL starter importance over a back-up or situation LB, however I seem to remember Brown playing with Sharpton @ Miami & he was a dynamic playmaker with unbelievable closing speed to the runner who has elite cover ability Plus as we see now depth @ position is a need.

Texans don't need to spend a high draft pick on the OL to improve the RG position. Brown is big, athletic, powerful with excellent feet who has shown ability to swing outside & cover tackle position even mirror, slide & stun much smaller quicker defensive ends.

Robertson has Ratliff written all over him.

Karstetter is a Kevin Walter clone, except bigger & stronger than Walter who was a 7th rd. pick by the Giants in 2003.

thanks man for your feedback :)

steelbtexan
11-01-2011, 12:05 PM
I like your mock

1. Gilmore-Like this pick alot.
2. If Ingram is still there you have to take him. This pick means MW isn't coming back. So that should free up $$$$ to sign a FA WR like Bowe or Meachem.
3.You have Brown rated much higher than I do. But I like your line of reasoning. I will put more time studying him. Give me Jarius Wright or AJ Jenkins.
4. Brown- No nothing about him, but Troy seems to put out good athletes every yr.
5. Robertson-Love this pick.
6.Karstetter- Good pick. Give me Joe Adams or Carrier to take the spot Holliday was suppoed to fill. Give me J.R.Sweezy or Jake Bequette as a late rd developmental prospect.

If they sign a big time WR in FA then this mock makes alot of sense.

rmartin65
11-01-2011, 01:51 PM
First Round: Stephon Gilmore, Junior CB, South Carolina, 6010 194


Rangy, long wingspan, exhibits rare body control & ball skills for position. Loose hips, very good long speed in 4.4 range, physical in run support, has exceptional closing speed & instincts. Very similar to fellow alum Jonathan Joseph, would make bookend gamecocks.

excuse me time for another beer on that note :beerfunnel:

Second Round: Melvin Ingram, Senior DE/DT, South Carolina, 6020 275

Stout, low build to the ground, very strong with athletic moves for a big. High motor Wade likes, passion for the game not afraid to mix it up inside & has multiple pass rush moves to beat defenders. Have a very good feel for this kid & think he is low risk high reward, like Brooks but more in the box.

Third Round: Arthur Brown, Junior ILB, Kansas State, 6010 230

I'm looking for a home run, nickle package cover LB with athletic ability to stop TE's & RB's in their tracks. Short area explosiveness, instinctual with nose for the ball. Texans should be willing to trade up top of third if still available & trade out of the 5th to do it.

Fourth Round: James Brown, Senior, OG/RG, Troy, 6040 312

Powerful, road grader with excellent feet who could also swing out to tackle. Small school I see him going early in the 5th but if Texans do trade back he could still very well be one of their targets. Has everything to compete at the next level & fight Brisel for the starting RG position as a rookie.

Fifth Round: Travian Robertson, Senior DT/NT, South Carolina, 6402 303

Sense a Gamecock theme? Well here is your nose, a more svelte than imagined but fits Wade Phillips parameters for position. Athletic & disruptive someone who fits in rotation. Good explosiveness should be a solid pro & fit here in Houston making his transition easier, fellow line mate Ingram.

Sixth Round: Jared Karstetter, Senior WR, Washington State, 6040 215

Texans gave up a 7th for Mason so this is backend heavy @ WR. The way the draft looks to fall Texans are out of position in both 1st & 2nd rounds to grab a legitimate difference maker so I think Rick Smith will effort to land a big time free agent & address WR need via this route. Basicly with this pick & Mason he's adding three camp bodies to compete with existing players. Of course there is no guarantee Karstetter is anything more that PS material but he is very smart (going to be a dentist) sure handed big WR who usess body well, above average blocker & effective red zone target. Very under rated & not well followed.

BL :wesmantexanfan:

Cant really argue against those picks man, good job.

I like Gilmore. I am a little hesitant to go CB in the first, but Gilmore is quite a talent.

Like others, I worry about Ingram being available in the late 2nd. I think he is an early second/late first. But if he is there, you have to pick him.

I worry about Brown's size. I like looking for an ILB, and Brown has a lot of talent. But 230 is pretty small. He would need to add at least 10 lbs, while not losing the athleticism (speed, agility, acceleration) that makes him special.

I dont know enough about Brown, so I cant argue or claim to love the pick. I do like the position though.

Robertson is an interesting idea. Sometimes when there is so much talent on one part of a defense (here the SC DL- Clowney, Ingram, Taylor), I worry about some guys looking better than they actually are. However, NT is a need, and I dont have any better options this late in the draft.

Karstetter could be a steal. I like the pick. Maybe he never becomes a key receiver, but getting a replacement for KW is certainly worth a 6th.

Ndevine7
11-01-2011, 02:59 PM
Great mock like the positions taken. If a CB with the talent of a Gilmore, Jenkins(doubt we take him even if available but would love him) or another top talent CB is available when we pick it will be interested the route we go. Love Ingram as a player has a great motor and seems like he can do everything (Georgia game he had a fumble recovery for a td a fake punt for a td and IIRC he was on the hands team for the onside kick and recovered it to end the game). Overall I really like the mock.

thunderkyss
11-01-2011, 03:19 PM
First Round: Stephon Gilmore, Junior CB, South Carolina, 6010 194


Rangy, long wingspan, exhibits rare body control & ball skills for position. Loose hips, very good long speed in 4.4 range, physical in run support, has exceptional closing speed & instincts. Very similar to fellow alum Jonathan Joseph, would make bookend gamecocks.



Didn't we go that route once already?

Dunta & Bennett?

Maybe this is a one gamecock team... avoids confusion if you know what I mean.

badboy
11-01-2011, 04:44 PM
BL, Ingram at DE or OLB?

beerlover
11-01-2011, 04:55 PM
BL, Ingram at DE or OLB?

some feel he could cover all three positions in Wade Phillips scheme.

beerlover
11-01-2011, 08:56 PM
Didn't we go that route once already?

Dunta & Bennett?

Maybe this is a one gamecock team... avoids confusion if you know what I mean.

Jonathan Josepth seems to be working out ok :)

Another point about this guys, is with new CBA the positions are slotted in regardless making a top flight CB, LT or QB contract that much more leveraged. A starting CB on the cheap is not a bad way to go, just look what top flight CB's get on 2nd contract, which is just another reason why I deceided to go this direction early. They are both expensive & difficult to replace.

Wolf6151
11-01-2011, 09:11 PM
Jonathan Josepth seems to be working out ok :)

Another point about this guys, is with new CBA the positions are slotted in regardless making a top flight CB, LT or QB contract that much more leveraged. A starting CB on the cheap is not a bad way to go, just look what top flight CB's get on 2nd contract, which is just another reason why I deceided to go this direction early. They are both expensive & difficult to replace.

You make a very good point about the money aspect of the CB position and the same thing could be said for quality NT's as well. I never thought about the draft from that pov. Thanks. A starting CB if signed to a 5-6 yr. deal could be a money saver for years to come.

Corrosion
11-01-2011, 11:14 PM
Im really wavering on what position I'd target in round one .... So much depends on where they pick and if someone who might be highly rated at one position or another falls ....

They really need help at WR , an ILB , DT or even a top rated OG wouldnt bother me in round one ....

From what Ive heard , they are satisfied with the play of Cody and Mitchell at DT so unless a really highly ranked DT falls to them .... I cant see that position (Whats Cody's contract status?).

I could definately see a WR taken highly as Jones just hasnt given them enough there.

ILB is another position I could see them moving in if they found a big run stuffer type to plug in the middle opposite Cushing .... since Ryans is playing on one arm and one leg and his cost is pretty hefty.

A 3/4 team can never have enough OLB's .... and if MW isnt resigned or franchised another guy in the rotation with Reed and Barwin wouldnt be a bad idea.


OG - If one of the top guards were to fall in their lap in the mid 20's .... I dont think any of us would complain. The key to a great offense is its line.

CB - After the recent crops of CB's picked in the first round , most of which are doing nothing ....... I'd prefer take a flyer on a high cieling guy in the later rounds and if a starter is needed find a reasonably priced guy via FA who is proven.

beerlover
11-03-2011, 03:03 AM
Im really wavering on what position I'd target in round one .... So much depends on where they pick and if someone who might be highly rated at one position or another falls ....

They really need help at WR , an ILB , DT or even a top rated OG wouldnt bother me in round one ....

From what Ive heard , they are satisfied with the play of Cody and Mitchell at DT so unless a really highly ranked DT falls to them .... I cant see that position (Whats Cody's contract status?).

I could definately see a WR taken highly as Jones just hasnt given them enough there.

ILB is another position I could see them moving in if they found a big run stuffer type to plug in the middle opposite Cushing .... since Ryans is playing on one arm and one leg and his cost is pretty hefty.

A 3/4 team can never have enough OLB's .... and if MW isnt resigned or franchised another guy in the rotation with Reed and Barwin wouldnt be a bad idea.


OG - If one of the top guards were to fall in their lap in the mid 20's .... I dont think any of us would complain. The key to a great offense is its line.

CB - After the recent crops of CB's picked in the first round , most of which are doing nothing ....... I'd prefer take a flyer on a high cieling guy in the later rounds and if a starter is needed find a reasonably priced guy via FA who is proven.

Can't see ILB as that big of need even with the injury bug & assorted issues. DeMeco is not 100%, yet, but with more snaps he should start accelerating back into form & don't forget the millions the Texans have invested. Then there is Cushing, don't forget his contract is looming down the road sooner than later, the way he's playing wouldn't you expect a similar contract to DeMeco? That's a huge chunk of change already spent on ILB then throw free agent to be OLB Mario into the mix I just can't see spending on another 1st rd. LB. What the Texans are going to need is some low cost depth, situation players like Arthur (plays like a man-child) Brown, who excel in specific specialized areas. So let me just lay that down & put those other's ideas to rest, it ain't happening.

Biggest need you can argue is between two positions WR & CB. Both need a legit #2. I'm just saying you take the bpa between the two & in this draft CB (assuming the underclassman declare) is where it's at. The WR position is too thin @ the top, then there is a solid second group, of which the Texans may draw upon, but this mock is based on Rick Smith landing an established, vet (besides Mason) who can walk right in, knows the NFL inside out & is a starter next to Andre day one. no surprises. You can choose between, Vincent Jackson, DeSean Jackson, Dwayne Bowe, Steve Johnson, Robert Meachem & Mario Manningham just to name a few. I actually think the Denver connection might work again & pick up Eddie Royal. Bottom line there are plenty of options without spending a high draft pick, then wait for him to develop, hence no high picks used on position.

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thunderkyss
11-03-2011, 04:09 AM
...but this mock is based on Rick Smith landing an established, vet (besides Mason) who can walk right in, knows the NFL inside out & is a starter next to Andre day one. no surprises. You can choose between, Vincent Jackson, DeSean Jackson, Dwayne Bowe, Steve Johnson, Robert Meachem & Mario Manningham just to name a few. I actually think the Denver connection might work again & pick up Eddie Royal. Bottom line there are plenty of options without spending a high draft pick, then wait for him to develop, hence no high picks used on position.

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Take Robert Meachem off your list. He's a first round pick playing behind 7th rounder Marques Colston, Lance Moore, & Devery Henderson. He's never produced more than Jacoby.

Manningham... talented. I'd take a chance that his QB is holding him back, but he's only produced slightly better than Jacoby & would probably cost a lot more.

Eddie Royal... c'mon man.

Corrosion
11-03-2011, 01:38 PM
Can't see ILB as that big of need even with the injury bug & assorted issues. DeMeco is not 100%, yet, but with more snaps he should start accelerating back into form & don't forget the millions the Texans have invested. Then there is Cushing, don't forget his contract is looming down the road sooner than later, the way he's playing wouldn't you expect a similar contract to DeMeco? That's a huge chunk of change already spent on ILB then throw free agent to be OLB Mario into the mix I just can't see spending on another 1st rd. LB. What the Texans are going to need is some low cost depth, situation players like Arthur (plays like a man-child) Brown, who excel in specific specialized areas. So let me just lay that down & put those other's ideas to rest, it ain't happening.


Demeco's injuries , reduced role , decreased production and high cost are why I say he could end up as a "Cap Casualty". At his current level of play , he's simply not worth what they are paying him.
How much guaranteed money is left on his deal and what would it cost to cut or trade him cap wise .....
Drafting an ILB early allows for Demeco to be shipped out one way or another while freeing up money to spend elsewhere since they have deals coming up for MW , Cushing and Foster among others.
Remember we now have slotted money for draft picks. Its a cost savings to plug in a young player here for the next three to four seasons which the team would have control of that player on a rookie deal.

beerlover
11-03-2011, 01:41 PM
Take Robert Meachem off your list. He's a first round pick playing behind 7th rounder Marques Colston, Lance Moore, & Devery Henderson. He's never produced more than Jacoby.

Manningham... talented. I'd take a chance that his QB is holding him back, but he's only produced slightly better than Jacoby & would probably cost a lot more.

Eddie Royal... c'mon man.

Eddie Royal was pretty spectacular as a rookie (91 receptions 980 yards & 5 TD's) then when Cutler parted ways w/Denver things never been the same, including hip surgery among other things. Don't follow the Pros like College players but he represents the type of talent teams draft in the 2nd rd. @ WR position (Denver took him 42nd overall 11th pick of the 2nd rd.) His player comp was Steve Smith (who reportedley was on the trade block before the season started for a 2nd/3rd) Royal money would be less than offered to Jacoby who's best season falls significantly short with 51 receptions for 562 yards & three TD's.

There are more high profile WR free agents as well, like Reggie Wayne, Wes Welker, Marques Colston even Mike Wallace although he is restricted. some more names for you:

Early Doucet (ARZ)
Harry Douglas (ATL)
Eric Weems (ATL)
Roscoe Parrish (BUF)
Legedu Naanee (CAR)
Earl Bennett (CHI)
Roy Williams (CHI)
Andre Caldwell (CIN)
Jerome Simpson (CIN)
Rashied Davis (DET)
Maurice Stovall (DET)
Bryant Johnson (HOU)
Pierre Garcon (IND)
Anthony Gonzalez (IND)
Jerheme Urban (KC)
Devin Aromashodu (MIN)
Bernard Berrian (MIN)
Greg Camarillo (MIN)
Deion Branch (NE)
Matt Slater (NE)
Domenik Hixon (NYG)
Devin Thomas (NYG)
Plaxico Burress (NYJ)
Derek Hagan (OAK)
Chaz Schilens (OAK)
Steve Smith (PHI)
Jerricho Cotchery (PIT)
Patrick Crayton (SD)
Braylon Edwards (SF)
Ted Ginn (SF)
Josh Morgan (SF)
Mike Sims-Walker (STL)
Micheal Spurlock (TB)
Donnie Avery (TEN)
Kevin Curtis (TEN)
Lavelle Hawkins (TEN)
Donte' Stallworth (WAS)
Stephen Williams (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights
Jordan Norwood (CLE) - Exclusive Rights
Jesse Holley (DAL) - Exclusive Rights
Kevin Ogletree (DAL) - Restricted
Stefan Logan (DET) - Restricted
Matt Willis (DEN) - Restricted
Danny Amendola (STL) - Restricted
Dominique Curry (STL) - Exclusive Rights
Preston Parker (TB) - Exclusive Rights

steelbtexan
11-03-2011, 01:55 PM
Take Robert Meachem off your list. He's a first round pick playing behind 7th rounder Marques Colston, Lance Moore, & Devery Henderson. He's never produced more than Jacoby.

Manningham... talented. I'd take a chance that his QB is holding him back, but he's only produced slightly better than Jacoby & would probably cost a lot more.

Eddie Royal... c'mon man.

Disagree with you about Meachem.

He is playing more than Henderson now and did a great job when Colston was out. The Saints have a very deeo WR corps. (Something the Texans have never had) Meachem would shine opposite a healthy AJ.

beerlover
11-03-2011, 02:07 PM
Demeco's injuries , reduced role , decreased production and high cost are why I say he could end up as a "Cap Casualty". At his current level of play , he's simply not worth what they are paying him.
How much guaranteed money is left on his deal and what would it cost to cut or trade him cap wise .....
Drafting an ILB early allows for Demeco to be shipped out one way or another while freeing up money to spend elsewhere since they have deals coming up for MW , Cushing and Foster among others.
Remember we now have slotted money for draft picks. Its a cost savings to plug in a young player here for the next three to four seasons which the team would have control of that player on a rookie deal.

I'll agree with you, cost of rookie contract would be less than a veteran franchise type of player (DeMeco) against a teams structured salary cap. But I disagree with you his (Ryans) career is finished & simply a cap casualty in Wade Phillips defense.

Corrosion
11-03-2011, 03:21 PM
I'll agree with you, cost of rookie contract would be less than a veteran franchise type of player (DeMeco) against a teams structured salary cap. But I disagree with you his (Ryans) career is finished & simply a cap casualty in Wade Phillips defense.

I dont think Ryans career is finished by any stretch of the imagination .... Just that he's not playing up to his contract (due to injury) , I could easily see him being the odd man out.

Then again , with the injury to Sharpton the depth at the position is questionable.

I think its something we have to ponder going into the next offseason. ILB could very well be in the mix early in next years draft along with the more obvious choices.

beerlover
11-03-2011, 05:22 PM
I dont think Ryans career is finished by any stretch of the imagination .... Just that he's not playing up to his contract (due to injury) , I could easily see him being the odd man out.

Then again , with the injury to Sharpton the depth at the position is questionable.

I think its something we have to ponder going into the next offseason. ILB could very well be in the mix early in next years draft along with the more obvious choices.

So basically, third round is not high enough priority or you disagree with my ILB chosen w/3rd.?

Corrosion
11-03-2011, 05:55 PM
So basically, third round is not high enough priority or you disagree with my ILB chosen w/3rd.?

Its not that I dont like the player or think you put a high enough priority on the position , just kinda pointing out that it could be a bigger need than we realize.

We're so far out from the draft , dont know what underclassmen might declare , its impossible to even guess who might be there at that spot , maybe one of the top prospects drops ....


Maybe my thought process on the subject would have fit better in Steve's mock ....

beerlover
11-03-2011, 07:20 PM
Its not that I dont like the player or think you put a high enough priority on the position , just kinda pointing out that it could be a bigger need than we realize.

We're so far out from the draft , dont know what underclassmen might declare , its impossible to even guess who might be there at that spot , maybe one of the top prospects drops ....


Maybe my thought process on the subject would have fit better in Steve's mock ....

It's all good we're all just looking for what's in best interest of the Texans. Always appreciate your insight & thoughts, thanks for the feedback :)

badboy
11-03-2011, 08:38 PM
Corrosion, you would not believe what Beerlover, me and Rmartin65 do to each other 's ideas and opinions before we post our mock. We would never have mde it thru our first one if we had thin skins. lol

beerlover
11-03-2011, 11:40 PM
K State plays OSU Saturday night, they should get rolled but check it out. Along with Alabama vs LSU. These make-up the game film we study & anaylize to evaluate talent projecting forward to the NFL. Lets see if Arthur Brown step up his game cause the Cowboys are rolling. Check out his speed sideline to sideline, coverage skills, ability to read QB, tackling fundamentals & passion for the game.

steelbtexan
11-04-2011, 10:44 AM
Give me a report on Brown.

I'm going to be watching LSU/Alabama with friends.

Thanks

beerlover
11-04-2011, 12:07 PM
Give me a report on Brown.

I'm going to be watching LSU/Alabama with friends.

Thanks

OK. wife is a Cowboy grad so I don't have much of a choice, but then there is always the DVR....

Speaking of the GAME, tell me what you think of Alabama LB Courtney Upshaw, 6-2 265. He could be another first round option, bpa when Texans select, question would be - will Texans resign Mario Williams? I think his true, natural position in the NFL would be a pass rushing OLB.

steelbtexan
11-04-2011, 02:36 PM
Upshaw is the best pass rushing OLB in this draft. IMHO

He reminds me of Terrell Suggs. He isn't going to light it up at the combine. But he's relentless and just simply makes plays.

badboy
11-04-2011, 04:28 PM
Upshaw is the best pass rushing OLB in this draft. IMHO

He reminds me of Terrell Suggs. He isn't going to light it up at the combine. But he's relentless and just simply makes plays.I hope he does not light it up at combine and that pushes him down.

beerlover
11-04-2011, 05:57 PM
I hope he does not light it up at combine and that pushes him down.

Interesting to see what 65 thinks between Ingram & Upshaw? I know he likes Ingram inside @ nose, but both seem suited to pass rush in space to me, very good feet & agility.

rmartin65
11-04-2011, 06:13 PM
Interesting to see what 65 thinks between Ingram & Upshaw? I know he likes Ingram inside @ nose, but both seem suited to pass rush in space to me, very good feet & agility.

I still love the idea of Ingram at the nose tackle position- speed, acceleration, agility, strength, he has it. However, Upshaw is a more natural fit at OLB than Ingram.

I would take either in the first- it just depends what we are going for.

badboy
11-05-2011, 07:02 PM
Trade Mario for 1st & 2nd..

OLB Upshaw & ILB Hightower in first
NT Ingram and CB Hayward in 2nd

Trade 3rd & 5th back into 2nd for WR Kendall Wright.

beerlover
11-07-2011, 10:15 AM
Trade Mario for 1st & 2nd..

OLB Upshaw & ILB Hightower Luke Kuechly in 1st
NT Ingram and CB Hayward WR Kendall Wright in 2nd

Now there is no need to trade 3rd & 5th back into 2nd for WR Kendall Wright.

made adjustments :fingergun:

badboy
11-07-2011, 10:59 AM
made adjustments :fingergun:Chuckle, well you can move it right back in first round. I don't want a 235 LB. Beside Kuchy, Kuchy is probably a top 20 guy.:kitten:

beerlover
11-07-2011, 12:37 PM
Chuckle, well you can move it right back in first round. I don't want a 235 LB. Beside Kuchy, Kuchy is probably a top 20 guy.:kitten:

27. Houston Texans: Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College

2012 NFL Mock Draft #3 ILB

The Colts have a poor year due to the Peyton Manning injury… so the Texans take the division. With this 2012 NFL mock draft selection the Houston Texans take a good ILB out of Boston college. Luke Kuechly can help come in and solidify the interior of their defense. The Texans currently have a couple good OLB so with this 2012 NFL mock draft pick the Texans help the interior of their defense.


http://newnfldraft.com/nfl-mock-draft-first-round-picks-25-32/

YoungTexanFan
11-07-2011, 01:55 PM
Give me a report on Brown.

I'm going to be watching LSU/Alabama with friends.

Thanks

You want a report on Brown? He's a crying b***h who couldn't wait his time at Miami so he came home to be with his brother who is even more of a crying b***h.

As for football ability: he's fast. He closes on the ball really well. But he's just too small. Good instincts and speed, but he's what Adibi was supposed to be. He isn't an NFL starter. That, combined with his attitude, family history, and poor choice in schools, I would avoid him like the plague.

Granted, I'm probably a little biased, but I've seen more of his games than I'd bet most on this board.

beerlover
11-07-2011, 02:31 PM
You want a report on Brown? He's a crying b***h who couldn't wait his time at Miami so he came home to be with his brother who is even more of a crying b***h.

As for football ability: he's fast. He closes on the ball really well. But he's just too small. Good instincts and speed, but he's what Adibi was supposed to be. He isn't an NFL starter. That, combined with his attitude, family history, and poor choice in schools, I would avoid him like the plague.

Granted, I'm probably a little biased, but I've seen more of his games than I'd bet most on this board.

I think my DVR went haywire, trying to record too many games at once, but YTF is a very good scout himself & from what I was able to catch is as advertised, 3rd down situation, quick & athletic sideline to sideline LB, but character concerns are troubling, even to me so I'll scratch him off my Texans list :handshake: Also have feeling I'll keep bumping position all the way into the first round to get another starting capable three down LB. Really like that OU kid, Tom Wort, only a sophomore but plays with the type of intensity we all agree would be preferred despite smallish size.

badboy
11-07-2011, 04:50 PM
http://newnfldraft.com/nfl-mock-draft-first-round-picks-25-32/Read his comments below for #47 Eagles CB Judie and then he says good pick for the Cowboys?


47. Philadelphia Eagles: Coryell Judie, CB, Texas A&M

2012 NFL Mock Draft Corner Back

The Eagles built depth to their defense with the first pick in this 2012 NFL Mock Draft. I now have them selecting a Corner back in the 2nd round of this 2012 NFL Mock Draft to build depth. Coryell Judie is coming out of a good school and is a good talented prospect. I see him as a late first early 2nd round pick in the 2012 NFL Draft and I have him going to a Cowboys team that really needs Cornerback depth.

Dude reminds me of some of my brain farts.