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EllisUnit
10-28-2011, 11:01 PM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7160762/nfl-quarterback-power-rankings


12. Matt Schaub
Porn name: Luke Warm. Can you remember an above-average QB provoking less opinion over a longer period of time? If I effusively praised Schaub, you'd think this was bizarre. If I attacked him, you'd also think this was bizarre. If I told you, "Did you know Matt Schaub has started 61 games and only won three in a row three times?" (true by the way), you wouldn't be shocked. Houston flipped two second-rounders for him five years ago, got a solid QB out of it … and you never hear that trade mentioned as a steal, a bust, anything. When he goes in fantasy drafts or auctions, nobody ever says anything; you just kinda nod and move on. I could see him finishing his career two games over .500 with no playoff wins, and then Houston retiring his number and not being able to fully form an opinion about it.

thunderkyss
10-28-2011, 11:13 PM
Meh........

TexCanada
10-28-2011, 11:27 PM
Meh........

I see what you did there...

HJam72
10-28-2011, 11:28 PM
It's probably true that Schaub will never be elite, but it's not his fault that our TEAM has never won three in a row. Obiously, our TEAM couldn't do it last year because of our secondary. He will not stop us from winning Superbowls, but he won't carry us to and through them (like some rare QBs) either. He also won't be easily replaced...

EllisUnit
10-28-2011, 11:33 PM
It's probably true that Schaub will never be elite, but it's not his fault that our TEAM has never won three in a row. Obiously, our TEAM couldn't do it last year because of our secondary. He will not stop us from winning Superbowls, but he won't carry us to and through them (like some rare QBs) either. He also won't be easily replaced...

i agree with this. I dont agree with the whole statment above but mainly the first part of it. I do believe we will win a superbowl with him however.

HJam72
10-28-2011, 11:49 PM
i agree with this. I dont agree with the whole statment above but mainly the first part of it. I do believe we will win a superbowl with him however.

I don't agree that you agree. :stirpot: :)

Corrosion
10-28-2011, 11:51 PM
To the trade that brought Schaub to Houston - Two #2's for what I consider to be a "Solid starting NFL QB" Not bad , not great. He's has a coach and system that works within his limitations.

It was neither a steal nor a bust. I dont think the Texans overpaid nor did they get less than they paid for.

kiwitexansfan
10-29-2011, 12:48 AM
To the trade that brought Schaub to Houston - Two #2's for what I consider to be a "Solid starting NFL QB" Not bad , not great. He's has a coach and system that works within his limitations.

It was neither a steal nor a bust. I dont think the Texans overpaid nor did they get less than they paid for.

May I refer you to the Carson Palmer trade.

Schaub was a Massive Bargain.

Corrosion
10-29-2011, 01:12 AM
May I refer you to the Carson Palmer trade.

Schaub was a Massive Bargain.

The Raiders will give up a 1 and a conditional pick either a 1 or a 2 pending they win a playoff game.
I think Palmer was a better QB than Schaub is today earlier in his career .... I dont know what he is today but I think the Raiders gave up more than they had to and probably more than the guy is worth.

They have no one to check their coaches decisions .... I think they overpaid.

Allstar
10-29-2011, 03:08 AM
I think they overpaid.

Ya think? I could literally count the number of guys worth 2 first round picks with one hand, and that's being generous.

welsh texan
10-29-2011, 06:54 AM
2 #2's is actually a pretty good trade for a guy who's really solid. I still get the impression that apart from #80, everybody on our offense is a product of the system to some extent or another.

The likes of Foster and OD have great talent and are perfect fits for that system, but the point stands with them to an extent.

I see a time not too far in the future when we're going to be looking around to upgrade the QB position on this team, probably with a high draft pick prospect to sit and develop but Schaub is OK for now.

Tailgate
10-29-2011, 08:49 AM
2 #2's is actually a pretty good trade for a guy who's really solid. I still get the impression that apart from #80, everybody on our offense is a product of the system to some extent or another.

The likes of Foster and OD have great talent and are perfect fits for that system, but the point stands with them to an extent.

I see a time not too far in the future when we're going to be looking around to upgrade the QB position on this team, probably with a high draft pick prospect to sit and develop but Schaub is OK for now.


Yep, and we are going to have to get pretty lucky to get a QB better than Schaub on our first try.

Yankee_In_TX
10-29-2011, 08:55 AM
May I refer you to the Carson Palmer trade.

Schaub was a Massive Bargain.

Oakland ALWAYS gets robbed, I wish Smith could do that some day. I always blamed Al, I don't know who brokered the Palmer trade.

thunderkyss
10-29-2011, 09:41 AM
It's probably true that Schaub will never be elite, but it's not his fault that our TEAM has never won three in a row. Obiously, our TEAM couldn't do it last year because of our secondary. He will not stop us from winning Superbowls, but he won't carry us to and through them (like some rare QBs) either. He also won't be easily replaced...


Good thing we don't need Matt to carry us to & through a Super Bowl.

This team reminds me of the Cowboys of the early '90s more than any team has since the early '90s.

I'm an Aikman fan, but I always new he had limitations. You put him on another team & we don't know how "great" Aikman was or wasn't. We've got a great offensive system & we've got some great talent that fits this system perfectly; OD, Dressen, Myers, Brown, Wade, Winston, Walter..... then we've got the talent to drive it over the top; Andre, Foster, Casey, Tate.

Then we've got a pretty good defense.

Without Smith, Irvin, Novacheck, Moose, & Stepnowski; without that defense, Aikman wouldn't have taken that team anywhere (I believe it was the addition of Emmit that really changed the course of that team).

It was more about the sum of their parts on those Cowboy team, & I think that's what we've got going on in Houston.

El Tejano
10-29-2011, 09:58 AM
I see a time not too far in the future when we're going to be looking around to upgrade the QB position on this team, probably with a high draft pick prospect to sit and develop but Schaub is OK for now.

I agree. I believe our top priorities should be WR, DT, QB,CB

But knowing us we will think Yates is the future.

Rey
10-29-2011, 10:15 AM
Good thing we don't need Matt to carry us to & through a Super Bowl.

This team reminds me of the Cowboys of the early '90s more than any team has since the early '90s.

I'm an Aikman fan, but I always new he had limitations. You put him on another team & we don't know how "great" Aikman was or wasn't. We've got a great offensive system & we've got some great talent that fits this system perfectly; OD, Dressen, Myers, Brown, Wade, Winston, Walter..... then we've got the talent to drive it over the top; Andre, Foster, Casey, Tate.

Then we've got a pretty good defense.

Without Smith, Irvin, Novacheck, Moose, & Stepnowski; without that defense, Aikman wouldn't have taken that team anywhere (I believe it was the addition of Emmit that really changed the course of that team).

It was more about the sum of their parts on those Cowboy team, & I think that's what we've got going on in Houston.

This is the statement I agree with most.

Schaub isn't the type of qb that you put on a team and know they are going to the play offs as long as he's healthy.

But he does have valuable skills that can be utilized.

Lucky
10-29-2011, 10:46 AM
I don't think we will truly know what Schaub can or can't do in the playoffs until he actually gets there. The Texas need to find out, because 2012 is the last season on his contract. Schaub has not been the major hinderment in reaching the playoffs. We will see if he becomes the largest impediment in becoming a championship team.

playa465
10-29-2011, 12:54 PM
Good thing we don't need Matt to carry us to & through a Super Bowl.

This team reminds me of the Cowboys of the early '90s more than any team has since the early '90s.

I'm an Aikman fan, but I always new he had limitations. You put him on another team & we don't know how "great" Aikman was or wasn't. We've got a great offensive system & we've got some great talent that fits this system perfectly; OD, Dressen, Myers, Brown, Wade, Winston, Walter..... then we've got the talent to drive it over the top; Andre, Foster, Casey, Tate.

Then we've got a pretty good defense.

Without Smith, Irvin, Novacheck, Moose, & Stepnowski; without that defense, Aikman wouldn't have taken that team anywhere (I believe it was the addition of Emmit that really changed the course of that team).

It was more about the sum of their parts on those Cowboy team, & I think that's what we've got going on in Houston.

I don't think we quite measure up talent wise for each position, but you're close...but the 1 thing that stands out clearly is HC Jimmy Johnson, DC Dave Wannstedt, OC Norv Turner plus Assts Butch Davis and Dave Campo...their staff worked amazing together during that span. This is no knock on our staff nor a bash Kubiak statesmen. Anywho Schaub is more than serviceable to win with even with mistakes (everyone makes them). Plus we all know he is not the playmaker that Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Helmuthead or Big Ben. But he is ours and I will support that even if I get pissed and his play at times, I think most of us feel that way.

Brisco_County
10-29-2011, 01:12 PM
You set expectations pretty high with this thread title, but I guess it's just accurate enough.

I wonder what kind of QB Schaub would be under a coach that took more risk and improvisation with the play calling. Maybe better, maybe worse. I definitely wondered what he'd look like on another team after the Raiders game.

infantrycak
10-29-2011, 02:58 PM
Good thing we don't need Matt to carry us to & through a Super Bowl.

This team reminds me of the Cowboys of the early '90s more than any team has since the early '90s.

I'm an Aikman fan, but I always new he had limitations. ...

Clearly didn't watch the Cowboys closely back then.

The cast which got Aikman to the playoffs, relied on him in the playoffs.

thunderkyss
10-29-2011, 03:04 PM
Clearly didn't watch the Cowboys closely back then.

The cast which got Aikman to the playoffs, relied on him in the playoffs.


Clearly didn't understand a thing I said.

If we get into the play-offs, we're going to be pretty reliant on Matt, but we're going to be just as reliant on AJ, Foster, OD, the OL, & the defense. The sum of the parts being greater than the whole. The exact opposite of what we see going on in Indy.

Texans_Chick
10-29-2011, 03:22 PM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7160762/nfl-quarterback-power-rankings




That write up was just awful. For most of the QBs, not just Schaub.Simmons talking NFL should be banned.

Short version of my critique. It's a team game. Perhaps if Matt Schaub had more above average defensive performances to assist him over his career, his W-L record would be better. See e.g. http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2011/07/matt-schaub-nfl-quarterback-help/

Thorn
10-29-2011, 05:04 PM
Matt Schaub should be in anyone's top ten list of active QBs, probably below fifth postion. That's good enough for me considering some of the active starters right now. And I agree, the two second round picks we gave up for him were worth it.

In the system he plays in, Schaub is more than capable of winning a Super Bowl with the talent around him. Maybe someday we'll see that.

paycheck71
10-29-2011, 05:05 PM
That write up was just awful.

Keep in mind, he's not what you'd call a serious sports writer. He's just there to provide some kind of "entertaining" outlook.

houstonspartan
10-29-2011, 06:21 PM
Oakland ALWAYS gets robbed, I wish Smith could do that some day. I always blamed Al, I don't know who brokered the Palmer trade.

When I heard about the Palmer trade one the radio while driving the car (after I tried to not crash the car from shock), I later sent the following text to a buddy of mine who grew up watching the Radiers: "Al Davis is gone, but the Raiders are still doing terrible trades. Good grief."

That Palmer trade was one of the worst I've ever seen.

As for Schaub, I think we made a good deal. Let's not forget that other teams were after him pretty aggressively. The Falcon's knew they had a talented back-up, and they had Michael Vick starting at the time, so they were content to just let teams slobber over Schaub and make them an offer.

houstonspartan
10-29-2011, 06:25 PM
Good thing we don't need Matt to carry us to & through a Super Bowl.

This team reminds me of the Cowboys of the early '90s more than any team has since the early '90s.

I'm an Aikman fan, but I always new he had limitations. You put him on another team & we don't know how "great" Aikman was or wasn't. We've got a great offensive system & we've got some great talent that fits this system perfectly; OD, Dressen, Myers, Brown, Wade, Winston, Walter..... then we've got the talent to drive it over the top; Andre, Foster, Casey, Tate.

Then we've got a pretty good defense.

Without Smith, Irvin, Novacheck, Moose, & Stepnowski; without that defense, Aikman wouldn't have taken that team anywhere (I believe it was the addition of Emmit that really changed the course of that team).

It was more about the sum of their parts on those Cowboy team, & I think that's what we've got going on in Houston.

Agree with you.

But, you also need to look at their head coach. Read "Boys Will Be Boys." Jimmy Johnson is one of the most brilliant football minds that has ever lived. I know that's a dramatic statement, but it's true.

TejasTom
10-29-2011, 06:59 PM
I have heard the Aikmen comparison from a few coaches.

Schaub's biggest problem has been Kubiak's cronyism coaches.

ObsiWan
10-29-2011, 07:21 PM
When I heard about the Palmer trade one the radio while driving the car (after I tried to not crash the car from shock), I later sent the following text to a buddy of mine who grew up watching the Radiers: "Al Davis is gone, but the Raiders are still doing terrible trades. Good grief."

That Palmer trade was one of the worst I've ever seen.

First, that distinction belongs to the Saints when Ditka traded all of the Saints' 1999 draft picks to get Williams, as well as a 1st and 3rd pick the following year.

Second, I don't think we can assess that trade until Palmer gets into playing form. If he's the pro bowl quality C.P. of '05 and '06 it's a good deal. If he's the latter day C.P. then the Raiders got robbed. We'll see; he's had all year to get fully healthy.

houstonspartan
10-29-2011, 07:35 PM
First, that distinction belongs to the Saints when Ditka traded all of the Saints' 1999 draft picks to get Williams, as well as a 1st and 3rd pick the following year.

Second, I don't think we can assess that trade until Palmer gets into playing form. If he's the pro bowl quality C.P. of '05 and '06 it's a good deal. If he's the latter day C.P. then the Raiders got robbed. We'll see; he's had all year to get fully healthy.

I didn't say it was THE worst trade I have ever seen. It was ONE OF THE WORST I have ever seen.

Even if he's pro-bowl quality C.P., I just don't see him being worth two first round picks. I just don't. But that's my opinion.

thunderkyss
10-29-2011, 07:40 PM
I have heard the Aikmen comparison from a few coaches.

Schaub's biggest problem has been Kubiak's cronyism coaches.

Jimmy Johnson did the same thing.

thunderkyss
10-29-2011, 07:44 PM
First, that distinction belongs to the Saints when Ditka traded all of the Saints' 1999 draft picks to get Williams, as well as a 1st and 3rd pick the following year.

Second, I don't think we can assess that trade until Palmer gets into playing form. If he's the pro bowl quality C.P. of '05 and '06 it's a good deal. If he's the latter day C.P. then the Raiders got robbed. We'll see; he's had all year to get fully healthy.

If the Raiders don't make the play-offs, the Raiders got robbed. With San Diego & Kansas City making a play-off run themselves, that might prove to be pretty difficult.

Losing 6 games will more than likely be too many for the AFC West division title.. they've already lost three. If Carson Palmer is going to get back to quality play, he better do it quick.

ObsiWan
10-29-2011, 07:46 PM
I didn't say it was THE worst trade I have ever seen. It was ONE OF THE WORST I have ever seen.

Even if he's pro-bowl quality C.P., I just don't see him being worth two first round picks. I just don't. But that's my opinion.

Fair enough. And you could be absolutely right depending on which C.P. we see.
Speaking opinions, I think the Raiders just flat panicked when Jason Campbell went down and David Garrard was unavailable. They were in the hunt for the division lead and then they lost their big armed QB. Yikes!

IlliniJen
10-29-2011, 08:23 PM
May I refer you to the Carson Palmer trade.

Schaub was a Massive Bargain.

Never measure trade value by comparing anything to what Oakland does...Oakland is bizarro trade land.

TejasTom
10-29-2011, 11:31 PM
Jimmy Johnson did the same thing.

Which? Compared Schaub to Aikmen or cronyism?

If it's cronyism, JJ had smarter friends. I'm not against cronyism if people are qualified. GK's friends obviously were not qualified.

thunderkyss
10-30-2011, 12:28 AM
Which? Compared Schaub to Aikmen or cronyism?

If it's cronyism, JJ had smarter friends. I'm not against cronyism if people are qualified. GK's friends obviously were not qualified.
Agreed, but you couldn't have known that until after the fact.

Allstar
10-30-2011, 01:32 AM
semi-related hate on Schaub (http://www.bloguin.com/thisgivensunday/2011-articles/october/which-superhero-is-your-nfl-quarterback.html#!/@ThomasGower):

Texans: Matt Schaub - Mint Berry Crunch


For the past few years, ESPN has been treating the Texans and Matt Schaub as their little darlings who are just BOUND to secure the AFC South and go on to do wonders in the playoffs. Schaub, while maybe good enough to possibly get you into the playoffs, is not the key guy to get you through to the promised land. Just like Mint Berry Crunch learns when the superheroes in Southpark meet up to talk strategy. Sooner or later, Schaub and the Texans will come to Cartman’s reality....

Other than that, it's a pretty fun article giving each starting QB a super hero counter-part. I debated on whether or not to start a thread about it and decided against it.

thunderkyss
10-30-2011, 01:59 AM
semi-related hate on Schaub (http://www.bloguin.com/thisgivensunday/2011-articles/october/which-superhero-is-your-nfl-quarterback.html#!/@ThomasGower):



Other than that, it's a pretty fun article giving each starting QB a super hero counter-part. I debated on whether or not to start a thread about it and decided against it.

Sanchez; the Human Tourch??

Fitzpatrick is Flash Gordon?

Tebow is Batman, Cassell is Captain Marvel, even Painter gets to be the Iceman... this sucks.. (pretty funny) but sucks that Schaub is MintBerry Crunch??!? c'mon.......

:toropalm:

thunderkyss
10-30-2011, 02:06 AM
How about; Daredevil?
http://mimg.ugo.com/201001/34561/daredevil.jpg

Daredevil is missing something you'd think is very important to a super hero... eyesight.

But his other senses more than make up for it, making him a man without fear.

ObsiWan
10-30-2011, 03:43 AM
How about; Daredevil?
http://mimg.ugo.com/201001/34561/daredevil.jpg

Daredevil is missing something you'd think is very important to a super hero... eyesight.

But his other senses more than make up for it, making him a man without fear.

Schaub as "The Man Without Fear".....

ummm... not the way he folds in the face of a hit. I would give young Brett Favre that handle.

If you consider Foster, Casey, A.J., Tate, O.D., K.W, and J.J. as gadgets in his utility belt I could go with Batman. Take away that belt and he's only human. Then again, Batman, being the "World's Greatest Detective", could figure out the weakness of every opponent and call his own plays...

I know! Henry Pym.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1f/TalesToAstonish56.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1f/TalesToAstonish56.jpg)
Sometimes Schaub plays like Giant Man other times he plays like Ant Man.
And like Henry Pym, while he's an important team member, he's not the baddest dude on the team.
:D

steelbtexan
10-30-2011, 08:16 AM
It's probably true that Schaub will never be elite, but it's not his fault that our TEAM has never won three in a row. Obiously, our TEAM couldn't do it last year because of our secondary. He will not stop us from winning Superbowls, but he won't carry us to and through them (like some rare QBs) either. He also won't be easily replaced...

The real reason for the 3 in a row thingy is 2 words

Gary Kubiak

gwallaia
10-30-2011, 07:01 PM
Does Schaub ever audible?

EllisUnit
10-30-2011, 07:54 PM
I have seen him audible to a run/change direction of the run a few times. but thats about it

The Pencil Neck
10-30-2011, 08:33 PM
Does Schaub ever audible?

Depends on what you mean by "audible."

Every play that's called is actually a couple of plays: the main play and one or two alternatives. When Schaub gets to the line, he can read the defense and switch to one of the other plays if they're in the wrong defense. The way the offense is designed, it's supposed to be able to handle/react to different defenses and still be successful.

So it's not like he goes up and has the whole playbook at his fingertips.

Lucky
10-30-2011, 08:37 PM
Bad Matt showed up again, today. That's good enough to beat Blaine Gabbert. Probably Colt McCoy. It won't be good enough when facing Josh Freeman, Matt Ryan, or even Andy Dalton. Schaub has to step it up.

MEGA SWATT
10-30-2011, 08:50 PM
dumb.

Lucky
10-30-2011, 08:54 PM
dumb.
Succinct.

EllisUnit
10-30-2011, 09:11 PM
he over threw alot today, you think maybe because he is used to throwing those to AJ and he could pull them in ??? i dunno a lot of overthrows though.

thunderkyss
10-30-2011, 09:20 PM
Well, it looks like OD needs to work on his routes a little more. He was taking them one step to far, making it look like Schaub was underthrowing him.

I will say, this was Schaub's third game, in a row, without an INT......

Rey
10-30-2011, 11:05 PM
Depends on what you mean by "audible."

Every play that's called is actually a couple of plays: the main play and one or two alternatives. When Schaub gets to the line, he can read the defense and switch to one of the other plays if they're in the wrong defense. The way the offense is designed, it's supposed to be able to handle/react to different defenses and still be successful.

So it's not like he goes up and has the whole playbook at his fingertips.

I don't think it's "every play".

Maybe a few times during the game they give him that option, but I dont think schaub has the option to change any play when he walks to the line.

The Pencil Neck
10-30-2011, 11:30 PM
I don't think it's "every play".

Maybe a few times during the game they give him that option, but I dont think schaub has the option to change any play when he walks to the line.

From Kubiak's press conferences and his explanation of the whole "audible" thing, it has sounded like every play is set up that way to me. Kubiak doesn't call the "audibles".

Grid
10-30-2011, 11:32 PM
I like the comparison to Aikman. Its true that Schaub...right this second.. is not an all-star QB that will go down in history. He isnt Manning or Brady.. but look at the other quarterbacks that have seen the superbowl in recent history.

Roethlisburger
Little Manning
Hasselbeck
McNabb
Delhomme
Rex freakin Grossman

Schaub is as good or better than these guys. Drew Brees is another guy that has made it to the superbowl..and id say he is just one notch above schaub. More consistant.. more accurate...but not in a way that blows schaub out of the water.

We can go to the bowl with Schaub. I would not be opposed to looking at other young QBs and grooming them...seeing if we cant get lucky and find his successor. But im also not worried about this team with schaub at the helm. He is solid, and really.. in this league.. you are REALLY lucky if you have a QB that you can call solid.

Rey
10-30-2011, 11:56 PM
From Kubiak's press conferences and his explanation of the whole "audible" thing, it has sounded like every play is set up that way to me. Kubiak doesn't call the "audibles".

I know kubiak doesn't call them.

Most likely during the week they go over formations that the opponent runs and they go over what plays they think work well against those formations/personnel groupings. Also they'd go over what plays they don't want to run against certain formations.

If Matt gets one of those looks he can make an opposite call or change to a specific play that they have already discussed.

What im saying is that I dont think Matt is picking one of two or three plays everytime or even most times he goes to the line.

If you give him that much freedom might as well let him be able to change to any play.

I think it's laid out for him pretty well.

'we know they run this, so when you see it do this if we have this called'.

And that's not a knock on Matt, that's just how offenses work.

DocBar
10-31-2011, 12:15 AM
I've been wondering if Schaub is under orders not to do much scrambling since his 1st 2 years were full of injuries. Kubiak has also become a hard-ass on fumblers. I've see Schaub move around in the pocket, look good doing it, then take a dive like thos 2 Giant players did with the fake injury. I don't think he's the most agile of QB's, but he seems to be more limited by coaching that physical talent. Kubiak seems to be a bit of a control freak, and doesn't want to see a Big Ben type scrambling around, taking big hits unnecessarily and having more opportunities to fumble or throw an INT.

76Texan
10-31-2011, 12:29 AM
I've been wondering if Schaub is under orders not to do much scrambling since his 1st 2 years were full of injuries. Kubiak has also become a hard-ass on fumblers. I've see Schaub move around in the pocket, look good doing it, then take a dive like thos 2 Giant players did with the fake injury. I don't think he's the most agile of QB's, but he seems to be more limited by coaching that physical talent. Kubiak seems to be a bit of a control freak, and doesn't want to see a Big Ben type scrambling around, taking big hits unnecessarily and having more opportunities to fumble or throw an INT.

What I know is that before the 2010 season, Kubiak had said that he would like for Schaub to be a little more active in taking what the defense gives him in term of running. If it's there, he wants Schaub to take it (but always be smart about it).

ObsiWan
10-31-2011, 01:01 AM
Well, it looks like OD needs to work on his routes a little more. He was taking them one step to far, making it look like Schaub was underthrowing him.

I will say, this was Schaub's third game, in a row, without an INT......

I don't know how we can assess that unless we sneak into their practices or have a copy of the playbook and see how those plays, more specifically, everyone's pass routes, are designed. Having said that, I don't know if you're correct or not since I don't attend the practices nor have a copy of the playbook either. It just seems to me that those kinds of things need to be ironed out in practice or on Mondays when they go over the game films.

Another possibility is that the LBs and/or DBs are disrupting the routes - i.e., knocking the guys a yard or two deeper than the play/route is designed to go. That's one way to really screw up an offense that relies on timing routes and routes that are designed for the QB to throw to a spot and for the receiver to be in that spot when the ball arrives.

Rey
10-31-2011, 06:44 AM
I've been wondering if Schaub is under orders not to do much scrambling since his 1st 2 years were full of injuries. Kubiak has also become a hard-ass on fumblers. I've see Schaub move around in the pocket, look good doing it, then take a dive like thos 2 Giant players did with the fake injury. I don't think he's the most agile of QB's, but he seems to be more limited by coaching that physical talent. Kubiak seems to be a bit of a control freak, and doesn't want to see a Big Ben type scrambling around, taking big hits unnecessarily and having more opportunities to fumble or throw an INT.

To me it seems like shammy has been buying time with his feet more this year.

thunderkyss
10-31-2011, 07:28 AM
I know kubiak doesn't call them.

Most likely during the week they go over formations that the opponent runs and they go over what plays they think work well against those formations/personnel groupings. Also they'd go over what plays they don't want to run against certain formations.

If Matt gets one of those looks he can make an opposite call or change to a specific play that they have already discussed.


I think that is pretty much the way "the system" works. Which really isn't too different from other "systems" the biggest difference is that we don't have to change formations so much when we move from one play to another.

I rarely see a play that gets stuffed because it was the wrong call. The bad thing about it is that every body has to be on the same page, which more times than not, we happen to be.

I don't know how we can assess that unless we sneak into their practices or have a copy of the playbook and see how those plays, more specifically, everyone's pass routes, are designed. Having said that, I don't know if you're correct or not since I don't attend the practices nor have a copy of the playbook either. It just seems to me that those kinds of things need to be ironed out in practice or on Mondays when they go over the game films.

Another possibility is that the LBs and/or DBs are disrupting the routes - i.e., knocking the guys a yard or two deeper than the play/route is designed to go. That's one way to really screw up an offense that relies on timing routes and routes that are designed for the QB to throw to a spot and for the receiver to be in that spot when the ball arrives.

I agree, I'm taking a sarcastic stab at all the guys saying, "Jacoby runs slopy routes." We don't know what his routes were supposed to be & once the ball snaps, you have to adjust to what's happening on the field.

Matt was under a lot of pressure again yesterday & his throwing showed it.

HuttoKarl
10-31-2011, 11:25 AM
Compared to having Captain Mittens QBing our team, I think Schaub's a massive steal for a couple second rounders.

I'd trade him for Cam Newton though.