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srrono
10-28-2011, 10:59 AM
ProFootballTalk ProFootballTalk
Patriots release cornerback Leigh Bodden, according to a league source.


Texans pick him up please

Bodden graded out as above average as a part-time starter this season,
according to Pro Football Focus.
ProFootbalFocus ProFootballFocus.com
Bodden thrown at 22 times this year. Allowed 12 recs, 1 TD. Has 4 PDs. Played 222 snaps for the Patriots

McCourty has allowed 35 of 52 and 4 TDs, has 3 PDs. Arrington allowed 14 of 27 with 1 TD and 1 PD, but has 4 INTs too

thunderkyss
10-28-2011, 11:05 AM
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Patriots release cornerback Leigh Bodden, according to a league source.


Texans pick him up please

Let's see.... The New England Patriots has the worse (not one of, but the worse) passing defense in the league..... set to break records... They release a CB...

& you want to pick up said CB.


hmmmmm....

srrono
10-28-2011, 11:07 AM
Let's see.... The New England Patriots has the worse (not one of, but the worse) passing defense in the league..... set to break records... They release a CB...

& you want to pick up said CB.


hmmmmm....

Bodden graded out as above average as a part-time starter this season,
according to Pro Football Focus.

yes he is better than any of our CBs other than JJ

El Tejano
10-28-2011, 11:09 AM
Now would be a good time to get him so that he doesn't pull what he did last time. Or maybe we just give him the finger this time.

False Start
10-28-2011, 11:10 AM
Now would be a good time to get him so that he doesn't pull what he did last time. Or maybe we just give him the finger this time.

Or bring him in for a workout, and make him think we are going to sign him, then at the last second say fukoff. :D

gtexan02
10-28-2011, 11:16 AM
Remember that embarassing period in Texans history when we all begged him via twitter to join our horrible team and then he spurned us and went somewhere else?

I hope he can't find anywhere else to work and is forced to retire. Good riddance

srrono
10-28-2011, 11:18 AM
Or bring him in for a workout, and make him think we are going to sign him, then at the last second say fukoff. :D

Thats the NFL yes he used the Texans before but the Texans could use him now. Pick up bodden cut KJ. I would be happy. Never happen but I can dream lol.

Rey
10-28-2011, 11:20 AM
I don't know if I'd bring him in...

Kareem plays ok he just has a bad tendency to get beat deep...Is Bodden better at defending the deep ball?

Texans34Life
10-28-2011, 11:31 AM
It's a damn sign if Chris Harris and Leigh Bodden are both on the market for the Texans to pick up. But just our luck, we're going to stick with our garbage and continue to not get help for JJ.

srrono
10-28-2011, 11:31 AM
Bodden graded out as above average as a part-time starter this season,
according to Pro Football Focus.

ProFootbalFocus ProFootballFocus.com
Bodden thrown at 22 times this year. Allowed 12 recs, 1 TD. Has 4 PDs. Played 222 snaps for the Patriots

McCourty has allowed 35 of 52 and 4 TDs, has 3 PDs. Arrington allowed 14 of 27 with 1 TD and 1 PD, but has 4 INTs too

By far their best cover CB this year RT @ProFootballTalk

DX-TEX
10-28-2011, 11:37 AM
I dont care what happened in the past. Sign him and put him opposite JoJo.

His salary is only 2 mill against the cap, we have the room.

Dutchrudder
10-28-2011, 11:39 AM
He's worth bringing in, but won't he have to go through waivers? He won't make it to us if he does.

DX-TEX
10-28-2011, 11:42 AM
He's worth bringing in, but won't he have to go through waivers? He won't make it to us if he does.

Yeah he has to go through waivers.

Rey
10-28-2011, 11:51 AM
He's worth bringing in, but won't he have to go through waivers? He won't make it to us if he does.

We aren't exactly at the end of the waiver wire line...

vupac1
10-28-2011, 11:53 AM
per PFT
Simultaneous to a report of the move by Profootballtalk.com, Patriots beat writers asked coach Bill Belichick for a comment on Bodden's play this season. Belichick's response: "I think we'll skip that one right now." The move is especially surprising given that Ras-I Dowling (hip) was downgraded to a missed practice on Thursday, suggesting an injury setback. Re-signed to a four-year, $22 million contract in 2010, Bodden had battled injuries this season but still graded out above average in coverage according to Pro Football Focus

I know he used us for leverage to get his new deal with the Pats, but do we look past that now and try to re-spark the old flame?

ChampionTexan
10-28-2011, 11:55 AM
Yeah he has to go through waivers.

Players with 4 or more years of service don't go through the waiver wire - their contract terminates immediately, and they are free to negotiate with any team that shows an interest. Bodden is in his 8th season in the NFL.

NitroGSXR
10-28-2011, 11:57 AM
We aren't exactly at the end of the waiver wire line...

Please don't remind us of 6-10. Last season was a heartbreaker for sure.

welsh texan
10-28-2011, 11:57 AM
Antwan Molden is seeing the field for the Pats still isn't he? Hard to see how he's lost his place on the team to that guy.

Bodden did wind up on IR last year and reports that he's had injuries again this year don't fill me with confidence.

That said, the pre-injury Bodden would make a helluva good CB2 if he could re-find that form.

TexansFanatic
10-28-2011, 12:00 PM
Not sure what the problem was. He's thirty years old. Maybe he's just hit the wall.

I'd at least work him out and see what's what.

b0ng
10-28-2011, 12:05 PM
Contract is too big currently have to hope he clears waivers first.

Mr teX
10-28-2011, 12:08 PM
bring him in, but there should be no rush to get him to the field b/c we're ok without him. That will allow him to get healthy & learn the system. Then we could break him out for the stretch run/playoffs.

gary
10-28-2011, 12:14 PM
Bodden graded out as above average as a part-time starter this season,
according to Pro Football Focus.

ProFootbalFocus ProFootballFocus.com
Bodden thrown at 22 times this year. Allowed 12 recs, 1 TD. Has 4 PDs. Played 222 snaps for the Patriots

McCourty has allowed 35 of 52 and 4 TDs, has 3 PDs. Arrington allowed 14 of 27 with 1 TD and 1 PD, but has 4 INTs too

By far their best cover CB this year RT @ProFootballTalkSo why was he the one to get the boot?

Mr teX
10-28-2011, 12:22 PM
So why was he the one to get the boot?

The pats run a tight ship. Its likely b/c his play didn't warrant his salary b/c of injuries & the fact that they probably weren't that much better with him. What are they #32 in pass defense this year? can't get any worse than that, might as well trot a rookie / unproven guy with potential out there for some OJT.

thunderkyss
10-28-2011, 12:25 PM
The pats run a tight ship. Its likely b/c his play didn't warrant his salary b/c of injuries & the fact that they probably weren't that much better with him. What are they #32 in pass defense this year? can't get any worse than that, might as well trot a rookie / unproven guy with potential out there for some OJT.

He may very well have been that message we wanted to send to our secondary last year.

"Don't do your job, you'll get fired..... we can't get much worse"

beerlover
10-28-2011, 12:30 PM
Patriots over paid to keep Bodden who is the desperate one? now they want to cut their losses or is the guy not the same player anymore after his injury? too many questions & poor track record :toropalm:

infantrycak
10-28-2011, 12:31 PM
He does not have to go through waivers (too veteran) and therefore his Patriots contract is irrelevant. Molden has been a special teamer and they kept him.

gary
10-28-2011, 12:35 PM
If he is not worth anything to the worst passing defense in the league, why should the Texans sign him?

bah007
10-28-2011, 12:43 PM
Bodden in his prime was a good player. A solid #2 CB for most teams. But he isn't in his prime anymore and he can't make himself some cereal without getting injured.

HOU-TEX
10-28-2011, 12:43 PM
He does not have to go through waivers (too veteran) and therefore his Patriots contract is irrelevant. Molden has been a special teamer and they kept him.

No waivers, but from what I've read, the Pats are still on the hook for his remaining 2.29 million. If a team were to bring him in they would take over the 2.29.

infantrycak
10-28-2011, 12:48 PM
No waivers, but from what I've read, the Pats are still on the hook for his remaining 2.29 million. If a team were to bring him in they would take over the 2.29.

The Pats have to account for any unpaid guaranteed money not the new team. He is on the open market for a new contract at this point.

HOU-TEX
10-28-2011, 01:03 PM
The Pats have to account for any unpaid guaranteed money not the new team. He is on the open market for a new contract at this point.

Ok, coo. I was just parroting Andrew Brandt. He's usually really good on finances and legalities of the NFL.

disaacks3
10-28-2011, 01:07 PM
Let's see.... The New England Patriots has the worse (not one of, but the worse) passing defense in the league..... set to break records... They release a CB...

& you want to pick up said CB.


hmmmmm.... Do you really, truly think he's worse in coverage than KJ?

infantrycak
10-28-2011, 01:26 PM
Ok, coo. I was just parroting Andrew Brandt. He's usually really good on finances and legalities of the NFL.

PFT.com is also talking about waivers. I don't understand why. Dude is an 8 year vet. Unless there was some unreported change in the new CBA he is an UFA. I wouldn't mind him being brought in if he realizes he doesn't merit a big contract. But I wouldn't expect a second JoJo. He has barely seen the field.

CloakNNNdagger
10-28-2011, 01:28 PM
He’s played a total of only 93 plays this season, none of them since a Week 2 What's really funny is that Antuwan Molden is now expected to get in there more often for the Pats.:shades:

ChampionTexan
10-28-2011, 01:31 PM
PFT.com is also talking about waivers. I don't understand why. Dude is an 8 year vet. Unless there was some unreported change in the new CBA he is an UFA. I wouldn't mind him being brought in if he realizes he doesn't merit a big contract. But I wouldn't expect a second JoJo. He has barely seen the field.

NFP attributed it to the trade deadline passing.

Bodden signed a four-year deal with the Patriots last season, and because the trade deadline has passed, he will be subject to waivers.

Not exactly sure why that's the rule, but it does appear he's going through waivers.

LINK (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Patriots-release-CB-Leigh-Bodden.html)

infantrycak
10-28-2011, 01:38 PM
NFP attributed it to the trade deadline passing.

Not exactly sure why that's the rule, but it does appear he's going through waivers.

LINK (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Patriots-release-CB-Leigh-Bodden.html)

They are quoting PFT.com and I think they are wrong. Welcome to have it disproven.

ChampionTexan
10-28-2011, 02:00 PM
They are quoting PFT.com and I think they are wrong. Welcome to have it disproven.

From ARTICLE 29 Section 1 of the recently signed CBA:

Whenever a player who has finished the season in which his fourth year of credited service has been earned under the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle Plan is placed on waivers between February 1 and the trading deadline, his contract will be considered terminated and the player will be completely free at any time thereafter to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with such player...
...If the waivers occur after that time, the player’s Player Contract will be subject to the waiver system and may be awarded to a claiming Club.

To my surprise (and apparently yours too) this is the same provision the preceding CBA included.

Link to new CBA (See page 155) (http://nflcommunications.com/current-cba/)

Link to previous CBA (See page 79) (http://www.scribd.com/doc/23736412/Nfl-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement-2006-2012)

El Tejano
10-28-2011, 02:00 PM
My question is, does he fit in Wade's defense. Last time we were wanting him it was for Bush's defense. Does Wade think he's good enough?

Dutchrudder
10-28-2011, 02:10 PM
From ARTICLE 29 Section 1 of the recently signed CBA:



To my surprise (and apparently yours too) this is the same provision the preceding CBA included.

Link to new CBA (See page 155) (http://nflcommunications.com/current-cba/)

Link to previous CBA (See page 79) (http://www.scribd.com/doc/23736412/Nfl-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement-2006-2012)

It shouldn't be that much of a surprise. Randy Moss went through the same thing when the Titans claimed him last year. It just doesn't happen all that much.

BullNation4Life
10-28-2011, 02:33 PM
ProFootballTalk ProFootballTalk
Patriots release cornerback Leigh Bodden, according to a league source.


Texans pick him up please

Bodden graded out as above average as a part-time starter this season,
according to Pro Football Focus.
ProFootbalFocus ProFootballFocus.com
Bodden thrown at 22 times this year. Allowed 12 recs, 1 TD. Has 4 PDs. Played 222 snaps for the Patriots

McCourty has allowed 35 of 52 and 4 TDs, has 3 PDs. Arrington allowed 14 of 27 with 1 TD and 1 PD, but has 4 INTs too

Don't matter what Bodden graded out to, he can't stay on the field and this team already has enough injury problems...

thunderkyss
10-28-2011, 02:39 PM
Do you really, truly think he's worse in coverage than KJ?

I'm VP of the Kj fan club.

Marcus
10-28-2011, 03:22 PM
Do you really, truly think he's worse in coverage than KJ?

Yes . . . I do.

men in blue
10-28-2011, 05:30 PM
He automatically upgrades our secondary, sign him please. He was the Pats best corner but probably didn't justify the large salary he was making. He is miles better than K-burnt and Allen and you can get him on the cheap. This is a no-brainer!

thunderkyss
10-28-2011, 06:19 PM
He automatically upgrades our secondary, sign him please. He was the Pats best corner but probably didn't justify the large salary he was making. He is miles better than K-burnt and Allen and you can get him on the cheap. This is a no-brainer!

"He was the Pats best corner but probably didn't justify the large salary he was making."

What? Did you read this out loud before you hit submit? We've got 100M contracts on starting CBs in this league & you think Bodden was making too much to stay through the season? They just signed him (away from us) last season.

He's only started one game all season. Surely their best CB would have started more than one game.

Last year, when Kj was part of the worst pass defense in the league, was he, or was he not part of that defense? Did he, or did he not deserve some of the blame? Other than Bodden not starting but 1 game, why would that not hold true for Leigh Bodden?

This year, Kj is part of the 6th best pass defense in the league. Does he deserve any credit (blame) for that?

There are just too many questions if you ask me, it's not like New England has two All-pro Corners & Bodden can't get on the field (like NyJets)... & we're talking about Bill "I'll lie to my momma" Bellichick.

I'm all for making this a better team. But despite Kj & Allen's obvious flaws, they are doing things more right than not & just adding more bodies doesn't guarantee it's going to get better.

If Wade had questions, I can understand signing someone & having him ready just in case, but right now, I wouldn't change a thing.
:koolaid:

76Texan
10-28-2011, 06:48 PM
Bodden graded out as above average as a part-time starter this season,
according to Pro Football Focus.

ProFootbalFocus ProFootballFocus.com
Bodden thrown at 22 times this year. Allowed 12 recs, 1 TD. Has 4 PDs. Played 222 snaps for the Patriots

McCourty has allowed 35 of 52 and 4 TDs, has 3 PDs. Arrington allowed 14 of 27 with 1 TD and 1 PD, but has 4 INTs too

By far their best cover CB this year RT @ProFootballTalk
Note to Rey, "your assuming" about what I said regarding McCourty is confirmed both by numbers/analysis by an independent party and my observations.

You can definitely trust that I don't pull things out of thin air.

fiasco west
10-28-2011, 07:31 PM
Let's see.... The New England Patriots has the worse (not one of, but the worse) passing defense in the league..... set to break records... They release a CB...

& you want to pick up said CB.


hmmmmm....

Patriots have made bad roster moves before.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yBE2Z3_Vss4/TjtNmI54uII/AAAAAAAAAB0/0v1yvx559BI/s400/Richard-SeymourRaider1.jpg

srrono
10-28-2011, 08:29 PM
I pulled this out of a story, maybe cutting Bodden was a scheme thing.


On defense, the philosophical change has been less transparent. The coaching staff scrapped the man-defense experiment, choosing to go back to the more familiar zone defense.

The results have been astounding.

Not that the Patriots defense is all of the sudden one of the league's best. In fact, they remain last in the NFL in yards allowed per game.

But to anyone who has been watching this season, however, the secondary has improved immensely, especially regarding the deep pass.

At the beginning of the year—specifically against the Buffalo Bills—there were way too many long passes being converted against the Pats' young, inexperienced secondary. Many times, the defense would be in a cover-one defense, matching up Devin McCourty, Leigh Bodden, Kyle Arrington and Ras-I Dowling in a man-to-man coverage, while safety Patrick Chung provided help in the deep-middle part of the field.

What was the result?

The Pats' cornerbacks were torched along the sidelines, giving up huge chunks of yardage without any resistance. With the implementation of a zone defense, they are not only giving up fewer big plays, they are getting off the field on third downs.
Last season, the Pats were hellacious on third down situations, allowing almost a 50-percent success rate (last in the NFL). This year, after starting the season amongst the league's worst, the defense is moving towards mediocrity with a 42-percent allowance rate.

Part of moving into the zone defense is a switch from more sub packages (when there are more than four defensive backs on the field, depending on the team) and back into the team's base defense (in this case, a 4-3 defensive front).

This change has also helped the Patriots, because the base defense has been so effective at shutting down opposing running games. Even the Raiders' superb attack with Darren McFadden and the Jets' tough tag-team of Shonn Greene and LaDainian Tomlinson were neutralized.

However, these philosophy changes would have meant nothing if no one stepped up and started making plays.

srrono
10-28-2011, 09:34 PM
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1376686&position=active

The Patriots [team stats] pulled a surprise move this morning, releasing veteran CB Leigh Bodden.

The former starter, who was to play the “star” position this year, signed a four-year, $22-million contract before 2010, and he will make $3.9 million from the Pats this year if he’s not claimed.

After spending time in the locker room, it’s clear players were shocked. “I heard it in the meeting and what, whoa. What?” said one defensive starter. That summed it up.

Bodden was respected in the locker room, and he’d had his big games (three picks against the Jets in 2009, for instance). According to ProFootballFocus.com, he allowed 12 receptions and one touchdown with four passes defended in 222 snaps this season.

But why was he released?

First of all, it doesn’t sound like Bodden is too broken up about this, though I haven’t talked to him personally. From talking to those around him, he seems at peace. It is a complex move, and no one wants to be released. But Bodden will now have a chance to ply his trade for another team, and he still gets his paycheck. One can understand that.

Bodden battled injuries recently, missing last year with a torn rotator cuff and missing time this year with a thumb injury. He sat out the Raiders game with a groin injury, but when I asked him about it,it sounded more like a coach’s decision. How do I know? Bodden told me with a shrug, “Coach’s decision. I don’t know, man.”

That was the first inkling that something was up. He looked great in the preseason, but wasn’t playing particularly fantastic in the regular season. But that alone wasn’t enough to send him packing.

The disconnect possibly came with Bodden’s role this year. Cornerback Devin McCourty is an outside corner, and it seems either rookie Ras-I Dowling or Kyle Arrington would fill the other spot outside. The team made this move, I’m told, in part because they believed Dowling would be healthy enough to play. And Arrington has been a revelation, grabbing four interceptions.

Bodden didn’t totally embrace the move to the “star” — or slot corner — position, and his lukewarm response was telling. He did it, he didn’t cause trouble, but it was clear he didn’t embrace it. When it was clear Bodden wasn’t thrilled with what he was asked to do, it may have become an issue. If Bodden was going to sit on the bench and not play in the slot, that’s a bad locker room move.

You can’t have a veteran, making a ton of money, sitting on the bench. It runs the risk he’ll complain and be a divisive force. So, Bodden was released to go to a team who may use him differently.

And now, the Patriots move on.

76Texan
10-28-2011, 11:03 PM
I pulled this out of a story, maybe cutting Bodden was a scheme thing.


On defense, the philosophical change has been less transparent. The coaching staff scrapped the man-defense experiment, choosing to go back to the more familiar zone defense.

The results have been astounding.

Not that the Patriots defense is all of the sudden one of the league's best. In fact, they remain last in the NFL in yards allowed per game.

But to anyone who has been watching this season, however, the secondary has improved immensely, especially regarding the deep pass.

At the beginning of the year—specifically against the Buffalo Bills—there were way too many long passes being converted against the Pats' young, inexperienced secondary. Many times, the defense would be in a cover-one defense, matching up Devin McCourty, Leigh Bodden, Kyle Arrington and Ras-I Dowling in a man-to-man coverage, while safety Patrick Chung provided help in the deep-middle part of the field.

What was the result?

The Pats' cornerbacks were torched along the sidelines, giving up huge chunks of yardage without any resistance. With the implementation of a zone defense, they are not only giving up fewer big plays, they are getting off the field on third downs.
Last season, the Pats were hellacious on third down situations, allowing almost a 50-percent success rate (last in the NFL). This year, after starting the season amongst the league's worst, the defense is moving towards mediocrity with a 42-percent allowance rate.

Part of moving into the zone defense is a switch from more sub packages (when there are more than four defensive backs on the field, depending on the team) and back into the team's base defense (in this case, a 4-3 defensive front).

This change has also helped the Patriots, because the base defense has been so effective at shutting down opposing running games. Even the Raiders' superb attack with Darren McFadden and the Jets' tough tag-team of Shonn Greene and LaDainian Tomlinson were neutralized.

However, these philosophy changes would have meant nothing if no one stepped up and started making plays.

Too much noise and contradicting/mix-and-macth infos putting together it's difficult to say what the true points are in this piece.

The Cush
10-28-2011, 11:10 PM
The Patriot don't generate a pass rush and are tied for 3rd to last in total sacks. Bodden might benefit playing in a defense that puts pressure on the QB

srrono
10-28-2011, 11:19 PM
The Patriot don't generate a pass rush and are tied for 3rd to last in total sacks. Bodden might benefit playing in a defense that puts pressure on the QB

I agree with you. It seems like NE knows thier def troubles cant be fixed so the are cutting all high priced def players. To rebuild thru FA and all the extra picks they have next year. They are winning on Offense this year.

thunderkyss
10-28-2011, 11:24 PM
Patriots have made bad roster moves before.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yBE2Z3_Vss4/TjtNmI54uII/AAAAAAAAAB0/0v1yvx559BI/s400/Richard-SeymourRaider1.jpg

Good point. Bring him in.

76Texan
10-28-2011, 11:40 PM
How about big bodies Wilford and Haynesworth in the middle?
Are we still madly in love with big bodies that tie up a lot of money?
A whole lot more money than blockers, wouldn't you say?

I'm not directing this comment at anybody in particular.
Merely coming back to the point that BIG is only one way to go about it.
There are pluses and there are minuses.

Mayhaps better to use smaller bodies who are hungry rather than big bodies who are hungry (in a different sense), LOL!

dream_team
10-30-2011, 11:21 AM
Dowling just got put on IR. Molden now becomes the nickel corner.

Playoffs
10-30-2011, 12:08 PM
Dowling just got put on IR. Molden now becomes the nickel corner.
So Belichick releases Bodden when he knows he's about to IR Ras Dowling ... ???

I smell Suck For Luck. :fingergun:

srrono
10-30-2011, 12:32 PM
So Belichick releases Bodden when he knows he's about to IR Ras Dowling ... ???

I smell Suck For Luck. :fingergun:

NE thought Dowling was ready for the field when they released Bodden, Could be a huge mistake secondary was already looking bad the Steelers are going to go crazy on them.

thunderkyss
10-30-2011, 09:44 PM
I didn't get to watch the game.... how'd Moulden do?

Mr teX
10-31-2011, 09:35 AM
I didn't get to watch the game.... how'd Moulden do?

rothlisberger went 36/50 for 365 2 TD, 1 int. passing the ball early & often was in the gameplan & honestly, the game wasn't as close as the score indicates............ so how do you think he did?

Rey
10-31-2011, 09:51 AM
Note to Rey, "your assuming" about what I said regarding McCourty is confirmed both by numbers/analysis by an independent party and my observations.

You can definitely trust that I don't pull things out of thin air.

That was srrono. Not me.

badboy
10-31-2011, 11:21 AM
Mario WIlliams to Patriots for NE's own first and second round picks 2012.

thunderkyss
10-31-2011, 12:24 PM
Mario WIlliams to Patriots for NE's own first and second round picks 2012.

This is like getting into a land war in Asia, or going against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

You don't trade with New England, you're likely to get the short end of the stick.

Rey
10-31-2011, 12:54 PM
Mario WIlliams to Patriots for NE's own first and second round picks 2012.

You want to trade Mario for a late first rounder and a late second rounder?

srrono
10-31-2011, 03:57 PM
ClaytonESPN John Clayton
Giants CB Justin Tryon needed surgery for a broken arm. He's the seventh Giants CB to suffer serious injury since start of camp


this may be where Bodden lands

badboy
10-31-2011, 04:41 PM
You want to trade Mario for a late first rounder and a late second rounder?As a successful 4-3 DE last season, I was ridiculed by posters and Charlie Pallilo of radio fame for asking the same picks as being too high. CP said "maybe two seconds but he would have to think about it."

Take all emotion out of it and put yourself in another GM's shoes and offer more. You might get a higher first by a few spots but probably not get a second at all. More like a third. Pats need a 4-3 DE and have double picks in first and second.

Should not have to but will say again for new readers, I like Mario but think team could be stronger with picks he would bring. Of course a trade would depend on how Barwin and Reed continue to perform.

Having NT Alemeda Ta'Amu # 25 & OLB Courtney Upshaw # 31 in first
RG Kevin Zeitler # 57 and WR Kendall Wright #63 in second and then selecting CB Casey Hayward (11 INTs in last season and a half) in third seems sweet to me.

In addition, subtract Mario's cap hit from future allows more maneuvering for free agency.

srrono
10-31-2011, 04:53 PM
ProFootballTalk ProFootballTalk
Leigh Bodden goes unclaimed on waivers http://wp.me/p14QSB-GJ8
1 minute ago Favorite

tielahr
10-31-2011, 05:10 PM
Cleared waivers :eek: I wish we would pick him up.

thunderkyss
10-31-2011, 05:28 PM
Take all emotion out of it and put yourself in another GM's shoes and offer more. You might get a higher first by a few spots but probably not get a second at all. More like a third. Pats need a 4-3 DE and have double picks in first and second.


I'm a Mario fan as well, but just to play devil's advocate, I'm going to think I can be just as successful in the draft as you can with those picks you're asking for.

If our front 5 start to get more pressure without blitzing (if Barwin, Reed, Watt, & Antonio step it up), then I'm going to wait for you to straight up release Mario Williams.

If you franchise him, you're putting a first round price tag on him & $20 Million in his pocket. I'll call your bluff. Franchising him will do exactly what you don't want, tie up a lot of money in Mario. & hurt your self in Free Agency.

Mario getting hurt put the kabosh (imo) on any hopes of trading him for a slew of high draft picks. Two 2nds.... maybe from a desperate team.

badboy
10-31-2011, 05:37 PM
I'm a Mario fan as well, but just to play devil's advocate, I'm going to think I can be just as successful in the draft as you can with those picks you're asking for.

If our front 5 start to get more pressure without blitzing (if Barwin, Reed, Watt, & Antonio step it up), then I'm going to wait for you to straight up release Mario Williams.

If you franchise him, you're putting a first round price tag on him & $20 Million in his pocket. I'll call your bluff. Franchising him will do exactly what you don't want, tie up a lot of money in Mario. & hurt your self in Free Agency.

Mario getting hurt put the kabosh (imo) on any hopes of trading him for a slew of high draft picks. Two 2nds.... maybe from a desperate team.

Ah but do you see the trap you are falling into? You suggest maybe 2 second but I've already got Rey saying he worth more than a one and a two but Rey may be a bit biased. Here's the thing on my side, I believe we can re-signed Mario to a reasonable deal without franchising him. This would make a trade more enticing to other teams. We don't have to trade him. The Texans hold the card against other teams in any trade. Pats need DE, a pass rushing OLB and DBs. If I were GM of NE I'd be smacking my lips in anticipation of Mario. Think he would have helped Sunday against Steelers? Mario could balk at a trade but to Pats? I don't think so.

paycheck71
10-31-2011, 05:52 PM
Cleared waivers :eek: I wish we would pick him up.

Not going to happen. Listening to Kubes' presser today, sounds like they think they're set at CB. Also, no one asked about Bodden, which tells me the Texans aren't even considering it.

thunderkyss
10-31-2011, 05:58 PM
Ah but do you see the trap you are falling into? You suggest maybe 2 second but I've already got Rey saying he worth more than a one and a two but Rey may be a bit biased. Here's the thing on my side, I believe we can re-signed Mario to a reasonable deal without franchising him. This would make a trade more enticing to other teams. We don't have to trade him. The Texans hold the card against other teams in any trade. Pats need DE, a pass rushing OLB and DBs. If I were GM of NE I'd be smacking my lips in anticipation of Mario. Think he would have helped Sunday against Steelers? Mario could balk at a trade but to Pats? I don't think so.

This is good thinking. Only problem is his agent can force us to do something we don't want to. If the Texans put a first round tender on him, we'll end up having to pay him $20 millions guaranteed or letting him go, then his agent can get him whatever deal from whatever team.

srrono
10-31-2011, 06:02 PM
How did this become a Mario thread?

paycheck71
10-31-2011, 06:04 PM
How did this become a Mario thread?

All roads lead to Rome... I mean, all threads boil down to "Trade Mario", "Fire Kubiak", and "Schaub is not clutch" threads.

badboy
10-31-2011, 06:32 PM
This is good thinking. Only problem is his agent can force us to do something we don't want to. If the Texans put a first round tender on him, we'll end up having to pay him $20 millions guaranteed or letting him go, then his agent can get him whatever deal from whatever team.I Smith tags Mario it will be at OLB not DE which will drop contract and bonus significantly. I am not sure if it would be top 5 LB or if broken into OLB and ILB. Let's say it is all LBs;that avg should be apprx $6.5 million much less than DE. If it is broken into OLB it would be even significantly less. So we get his services next season tagged at say $7m. Why would his agent allow that? He'd be screaming for a long term deal. It is to Mario's advantage to not allow tag to occur and grab a deal.

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/

House of Pain
11-01-2011, 03:18 AM
All roads lead to Rome... I mean, all threads boil down to "Trade Mario", "Fire Kubiak", and "Schaub is not clutch" threads.

Don't forget "Jacoby sucks" and coming soon to TT..."Tate has fumblitis"

ChampionTexan
11-01-2011, 11:44 AM
I Smith tags Mario it will be at OLB not DE which will drop contract and bonus significantly. I am not sure if it would be top 5 LB or if broken into OLB and ILB. Let's say it is all LBs;that avg should be apprx $6.5 million much less than DE. If it is broken into OLB it would be even significantly less. So we get his services next season tagged at say $7m. Why would his agent allow that? He'd be screaming for a long term deal. It is to Mario's advantage to not allow tag to occur and grab a deal.


All franchise tender amounts must be a minimum of a 120% of the players prior year salary. In Mario's case, this means something north of $20 Million from everything I've read. The position they choose to tag him at will be meaningless

Ole Miss Texan
11-01-2011, 12:14 PM
All franchise tender amounts must be a minimum of a 120% of the players prior year salary. In Mario's case, this means something north of $20 Million from everything I've read. The position they choose to tag him at will be meaningless

Mario's 2011 salary is $13,800,000. If going by the 120% of prior years' salary, it would cost $16,560,000

ChampionTexan
11-01-2011, 01:10 PM
Mario's 2011 salary is $13,800,000. If going by the 120% of prior years' salary, it would cost $16,560,000

That's his base salary. The term Prior Years Salary in the CBA includes prorated signing bonus along with some other potential items (any roster bonus paid for example). I can't find anyplace saying it's exactly the same as the Cap amount, but it appears to be much closer to that than base salary. I believe Mario's 2011 Cap hit is in the ballpark of $18 Million.

EDIT: Even if it were only base salary, the highest franchise tender on the defensive side of the ball was $12.4 Million in 2011 (Defensive End). The position he was tagged at still wouldn't matter.

infantrycak
11-01-2011, 01:51 PM
That's his base salary. The term Prior Years Salary in the CBA includes prorated signing bonus along with some other potential items (any roster bonus paid for example).

Pretty sure it is the based off the total sum paid within the league year and so would not include carried over signing bonus. But Mario agreed to a deal with a low signing bonus in place of other guarantees anyway.

ChampionTexan
11-01-2011, 02:08 PM
Pretty sure it is the based off the total sum paid within the league year and so would not include carried over signing bonus. But Mario agreed to a deal with a low signing bonus in place of other guarantees anyway.

The only definition of "Prior Year Salary" I can find in the CBA is from ARTICLE 9, Section 1(b), but it states (bolding added for emphasis):

"For the purposes of this Subsection, “Prior Year Salary” means the total of the Paragraph 5 Salary, roster and reporting bonuses, pro-rata portion of signing bonus, and other payments to players in compensation for the playing of professional football for the last year of the player’s most recently negotiated Player Contract, except for performance bonuses other than roster and reporting bonuses. Prior Year Salary shall also include any unrepaid loans made, guaranteed or collateralized by a Team or its Team Affiliate to a player or Player Affiliate."

Ole Miss Texan
11-01-2011, 02:34 PM
Mario's signing bonus was $0. Each seasons' salary was fully guaranteed. Texans exercised the option for a 6th season which I believe gave him $12M and reduced his salaries during years 2-5. I believe that's why he's earning so much this season. Texans saved a bunch the previous 4. Sure is hard to tell what all he's actually taking home though.

infantrycak
11-01-2011, 02:47 PM
The only definition of "Prior Year Salary" I can find in the CBA is from ARTICLE 9, Section 1(b), but it states (bolding added for emphasis):

Here is the definition from Article 10 for franchising players but it similarly says you were correct:

(e) For the purposes of this Article, “Salary” means the total of the Para-graph 5 Salary (reduced proportionately if the contract is entered into after the first regular season game), roster and reporting bonuses, pro-rata portion of signing bonus, and other payments to players in compensation for the playing of professional football for the applicable year of the player’s most recently negotiated Player Contract, except for performance bonuses other than roster and reporting bonuses. Salary shall also in-clude any unrepaid loans made, guaranteed or collateralized by a Team or its Team Affiliate to a player or Player Affiliate. “Prior Year Salary” means the Salary (as defined 46 in this Subsection) for the last League Year of the player’s most recently negotiated Play-er Contract.

srrono
11-03-2011, 12:32 AM
Leigh Bodden Reportedly Visits The Chiefs
by Joel Thorman

Last Friday the New England Patriots surprisingly released veteran CB Leigh Bodden which meant he went to the waiver wire, available for any NFL team to claim him (and his contract). By Monday, we found out he wasn't claimed and became a free agent.

That brings us to now. Bodden, according to Charlie Casserly of CBS, worked out for the Kansas City Chiefs this week.

I said earlier this week that I'm not sure adding Bodden made a ton of sense for KC considering the talent they have in the secondary and that Bodden may be more interested in a multi-year commitment elsewhere but I suppose you can't have enough players you like. I certainly wouldn't boo the addition of Bodden, if that's what the Chiefs decide to do.

Bodden started in the league in 2003 when he was picked up by the Cleveland Browns after going undrafted. In 2008, he was traded to the Detroit Lions and made his way to New England the following year. In 2010, he signed a multi-year contract with the Patriots.

texanhead08
11-03-2011, 02:38 PM
Leigh Bodden Reportedly Visits The Chiefs
by Joel Thorman

Last Friday the New England Patriots surprisingly released veteran CB Leigh Bodden which meant he went to the waiver wire, available for any NFL team to claim him (and his contract). By Monday, we found out he wasn't claimed and became a free agent.

That brings us to now. Bodden, according to Charlie Casserly of CBS, worked out for the Kansas City Chiefs this week.

I said earlier this week that I'm not sure adding Bodden made a ton of sense for KC considering the talent they have in the secondary and that Bodden may be more interested in a multi-year commitment elsewhere but I suppose you can't have enough players you like. I certainly wouldn't boo the addition of Bodden, if that's what the Chiefs decide to do.

Bodden started in the league in 1993 2003 when he was picked up by the Cleveland Browns after going undrafted. In 2008, he was traded to the Detroit Lions and made his way to New England the following year. In 2010, he signed a multi-year contract with the Patriots.


If he started in 1993 wouldn't that make him around 40yrs old ?

srrono
11-03-2011, 03:33 PM
If he started in 1993 wouldn't that make him around 40yrs old ?

lol must be a typo