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srrono
10-21-2011, 05:05 AM
Signature Stats Snapshot: Deep Passing

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/10/21/signature-stats-snapshot-deep-passing/

One thing that stood out to me is there are only 2 QBs that have not thrown a INT with the deep pass & Schaub is 1 of them.

Corrosion
10-21-2011, 06:00 AM
I guess 20 yards is "Deep" in todays NFL .... Not really my definition of a deep ball but .... close enough.


As for where Schaub ranks , in the bottom of the top 1/3rd ..... Thats about where I would expect him to be. This team does make its share of big plays ....


I think there are more telling stats we could examine when it comes to Schaub and the Texans ..... 3rd down efficiency and game on the line drives coming to mind (Final two minutes of a half or game).

TheRealJoker
10-21-2011, 06:05 AM
Schaub had really good zip on the td to Jacoby last week. Usually his deep balls sail amd WRs have to slow down for them. I wonder where that extra velocity cane from?

Rey
10-21-2011, 07:09 AM
Schaub had really good zip on the td to Jacoby last week. Usually his deep balls sail amd WRs have to slow down for them. I wonder where that extra velocity cane from?

Probably the wind.

Kthx
10-21-2011, 08:00 AM
Well to be fair he actually had time to plant his foot and square his hips before he threw.. he does have decent strength and power when he has time to do his three second release countdown.

CloakNNNdagger
10-21-2011, 08:05 AM
Probably the wind.

The wind was against the Texans' backs in the 1st and 3rd quarters.

playa465
10-21-2011, 08:13 AM
Schaub had really good zip on the td to Jacoby last week. Usually his deep balls sail amd WRs have to slow down for them. I wonder where that extra velocity cane from?

I think when Schaub sets his feet and makes a full motion throw, he can get it about 30-35yds with decent zip and hit someone in stride...anything more than that is probably out of his range, which isn't all that bad...but if he doesn't get to properly set his feet with a follow thru, then that range will drop...he just doesn't have the strength which we all know, but not many QBs that can make those throws are accurate...but I do understand that even if you launch it long, you at least give the WR a chance to run and get it.

thunderkyss
10-21-2011, 08:51 AM
Schaub had really good zip on the td to Jacoby last week. Usually his deep balls sail amd WRs have to slow down for them. I wonder where that extra velocity cane from?

I was surprised as all get out that that ball was place perfectly ahead of the receiver.

had JJ had to stop to get that ball, we'd have been 1st & goal inside the 10 & had to settle for a field goal.

Kudos to Schaub on a perfect deep ball.


:koolaid:

thunderkyss
10-21-2011, 08:56 AM
I think when Schaub sets his feet and makes a full motion throw, he can get it about 30-35yds with decent zip and hit someone in stride...anything more than that is probably out of his range, which isn't all that bad...but if he doesn't get to properly set his feet with a follow thru, then that range will drop...he just doesn't have the strength which we all know, but not many QBs that can make those throws are accurate...but I do understand that even if you launch it long, you at least give the WR a chance to run and get it.

That DB is usually beat inside the first 20 yards. If Schaub can anticipate his guy breaking free & get the ball out earlier, 30-35 yards isn't bad at all.

However, I will say they Ravens were giving us so much cushion, there were several times when our receivers weren't open even after the 25 yard line. With Ed Reed back there, I wouldn't have been making a bunch of those throws either.

If you are looking for more fodder for your "game time adjustments" arguements, this is one of them. It wasn't until the third Qtr that I even saw a 20+ yard route (kinda hard to tell on TV). & that first drive of the third Qtr.. probably one of our best drives of the year, we were playing vertically, we attacked the middle, deep-middle. had them on their heels......

then we started playing small ball again.

IMO, if we'd have started to stretch the field earlier & noticed their DBs playing so deep, we could have called some deep hooks or crossing routes.

There was a lot of inexperience in their #2 & #3 CBs that we didn't take advantage of.

:koolaid:

infantrycak
10-21-2011, 08:58 AM
I think when Schaub sets his feet and makes a full motion throw, he can get it about 30-35yds with decent zip and hit someone in stride...anything more than that is probably out of his range, which isn't all that bad...but if he doesn't get to properly set his feet with a follow thru, then that range will drop...he just doesn't have the strength which we all know, but not many QBs that can make those throws are accurate...but I do understand that even if you launch it long, you at least give the WR a chance to run and get it.

Yeah Schaub can't even come close to throwing over 40 yards.

Signed,

Kevin Walter making a diving 43 yard reception.

thunderkyss
10-21-2011, 09:03 AM
Yeah Schaub can't even come close to throwing over 40 yards.

Signed,

Kevin Walter making a diving 43 yard reception.

It's Matt's own fault. If he didn't "prefer" to under throw the deep ball (like no other QB prefers to) we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Best receiver in the league can't get more than 9 TDs a year when he gets behind the defense 9 times a game.

:koolaid:

BigBull17
10-21-2011, 10:10 AM
The TD to Dreesen in the Raiders game was about as ood a ball as Ive seen Matt throw.

srrono
10-21-2011, 10:13 AM
The TD to Dreesen in the Raiders game was about as ood a ball as Ive seen Matt throw.

That throw was a lot longer than it looked matt was at the far left side of the field throwing to the far right side and down field.

ThaShark316
10-21-2011, 10:14 AM
The TD to Dreesen in the Raiders game was about as ood a ball as Ive seen Matt throw.

Probably was laughing his ass off thinking "who left him open like that?"

Schaub's deep balls this year have been pretty much $$$$ this year.

TimeKiller
10-21-2011, 10:23 AM
Probably was laughing his ass off thinking "who left him open like that?"

Schaub's deep balls this year have been pretty much $$$$ this year.

Yup. The only thing that I notice as far as arm strength is that when he's running, that goes out the window and he's been running away from the pocket quite a bit this year. That's not him, his game is standing tall and throwing strikes down the field. You give him that time, it'll be all she wrote. Make him run and you get these bad paper airplane balls that dive for the ground...

thunderkyss
10-21-2011, 11:26 AM
Yup. The only thing that I notice as far as arm strength is that when he's running, that goes out the window and he's been running away from the pocket quite a bit this year. That's not him, his game is standing tall and throwing strikes down the field. You give him that time, it'll be all she wrote. Make him run and you get these bad paper airplane balls that dive for the ground...

I know it's too early in the season to tell. But so far this season, the toughest pass rushes we've faced has been Oakland's (currently ranked 8th with 16 sacks in 6 games), Baltimore's (10th, 15 sacks, 5 games) & Pittsburgh's (10th, 15 sacks, 6 games)

The most dangerous team remaining on our schedule in that department is Cincy (13th, 14 sacks, 6 games).

Cleveland is 17th right now, with 13 sacks over 5 games

Tennessee & Jax are both ranked at @ 19 with 11 sacks, Tits in 5 games, Jax in 6

Atlanta & Tampa are both at 22 with 10 sacks in 6 games

The Panthers & Colts are at 25 with 9 sacks in 6 games.

I know sacks are not the end all be all as far as QB pressures go, but I don't have access to a site that tracks hits & pressures.

Rey
10-21-2011, 11:28 AM
The TD to Dreesen in the Raiders game was about as ood a ball as Ive seen Matt throw.

Are you being sarcastic here? I cant tell..

TejasTom
10-21-2011, 01:39 PM
Yeah Schaub can't even come close to throwing over 40.

I think it was Saint's game in preseason he rolled out to right threw one to AJ that went 57 yrds in the air. I rewatched it about 5 times to make sure that's what I saw.

badboy
10-21-2011, 03:49 PM
The sweetest pass to me is when Schaub play actions and sells it. He often is all by himself as he launches the ball. IMO he is best in league at that but does not call it as often as I'd like, of course.

ATXtexanfan
10-21-2011, 07:14 PM
he doesn't have a rocket arm but sometimes i just don't see the touch he needs on the quick tosses. seems like when he throws a quick slant its never where our wr can catch in stride and fall forward. red zone anyone? i think he has a nice game 10-40 yds down field. cant really go over the top but not accurate within 10 yds from line of scrimmage. i was waiting on a quick slant or get rid of it on final play vs oakland. i swear we had two plays to get in.
maybe its just me and i'm a hater but it seems like our wr's have to work to catch the ball or its flat out uncatchable. remember that game at zona like two yrs ago. i think it was dressen wide open at the back of the endzone and schaub threw too high. all he needed was a little touch and td, but nope

imatexan
10-21-2011, 07:52 PM
Michael Vick is the number 2 best deep passer in the NFL?

Huh?

Kthx
10-21-2011, 08:36 PM
Well that settles it, that 100 mil was totally worth it.

playa465
10-22-2011, 07:46 AM
Yeah Schaub can't even come close to throwing over 40 yards.

Signed,

Kevin Walter making a diving 43 yard reception.

41 yds, ok which is about 6 yds more than I give him credit, but every QB gets off a throw every now and then...I'm not believing in the under throwing to not make a mistake; I don't think he can get it done deep consistently whether the offense is based on it or not....actually I think the arm strength deficiency is not all about the deep ball, but is more noticeable when throwing on the run (not the designed roll outs because most of the time he is clean)

HJam72
10-22-2011, 01:16 PM
The only reason he can't throw it farther is because nobody hits him in the back at just the right moment. :jk:

SteveSlaton20
10-23-2011, 06:27 PM
Michael Vick is the number 2 best deep passer in the NFL?

Huh?

Mike Vick has a strong arm dude...You just started to watch football yesterday or something?

infantrycak
10-23-2011, 06:32 PM
Mike Vick has a strong arm dude...You just started to watch football yesterday or something?

Strong arm (which Vick most definitely has) does not equate to accuracy or good deep passing (which he is lucky to complete on). David Carr had a big arm and sucked at deep passing.