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Hookem Horns
10-20-2011, 01:25 AM
... and the Texans just stuck in neutral season after season after season temporada tras temporada tras temporada, etc etc?? This is obviously due to our complacent owner and his "stay the course, let's not make waves" mentality. Wasn't he saying at the end of last season that bringing in a new coach would mean "starting over again" and would further delay winning??

Let's see .. San Francisco 49ers anyone? I remember an aweful Niners club coming to Reliant a couple of seasons ago with Singletary at the helm. So did firing him and bringing in a new guy delay winning? HELL no, it obviously delayed losing.

Lions anyone?? 0-16 to 5-1 in how many seasons?? Yet the Texans are still hovering around .500 year after year after year tras año tras año.

It's like freakin' forever GROUNDHOG DAY around here!

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/994/texansgroundhogday.jpg

TheDream34
10-20-2011, 01:35 AM
The worst part about it is that Kubiak could keep his job going 8-8 because that will probably win the division. And winning the division will probably make McNair keep Kubiak for another 2 to 3 years. :toropalm:

thunderkyss
10-20-2011, 01:57 AM
... and the Texans just stuck in neutral season after season

Let's see .. San Francisco 49ers anyone?

Lions anyone?? 0-16 to 5-1 in how many seasons??

It's like freakin' forever GROUNDHOG DAY around here!


Let's wait a few more weeks before we decide who's in neutral and who's running away.

It's still too early to jump to the conclusion you have.

Norg
10-20-2011, 02:15 AM
TBO i would rather have season full of

7-9 8-8 9-7

then be Just bad all the time

TejasTom
10-20-2011, 06:58 AM
At least if you are occasionally bad you get high high draft picks.

Speedy
10-20-2011, 07:21 AM
Lions and Bills (along with the Texans) are the only teams not to make playoffs since the Texans have existed.

Thorn
10-20-2011, 07:27 AM
Lions and Bills (along with the Texans) are the only teams not to make playoffs since the Texans have existed.

That could very well be changing this year for the Lions and the Bills. I wonder about the Texans though.

Señor Stan
10-20-2011, 07:31 AM
To Kubiak's credit...we didn't go .500 last year...so we do have some downs...

Thorn
10-20-2011, 07:37 AM
To Kubiak's credit...we didn't go .500 last year...so we do have some downs...

:lol:

You're on a roll this morning Stan. To bad I can't rep you twice.

thunderkyss
10-20-2011, 07:42 AM
Lions and Bills (along with the Texans) are the only teams not to make playoffs since the Texans have existed.

The 49ers last appearance was 2002. Those three teams are the teams I've been using to gauge the Texans. Those are the only three that have similar histories imo. When you haven't been winning as long as those teams have been, it's difficult to turn things around.

Because it isn't just what is happening on the field, or what's happening on the sideline. The cancer goes deeper than that... all the way to ownership.

steelbtexan
10-20-2011, 07:46 AM
:lol:

You're on a roll this morning Stan. To bad I can't rep you twice.

Got him

Vey funny stuff, sad but funny.

Blake
10-20-2011, 07:53 AM
I dont think backing into the playoffs and a round 1 exit will get Kubiak another year. McNair expects to have a competitive team this year and an 8-8 division win + round 1 loss = time for a change.

To be honest I expect the Texans to rip off 5 straight right here and have a strangle hold on the division. 10-11 wins depending on if we can sweep the Titans.

beerlover
10-20-2011, 08:15 AM
This is what drove me into the whole draft process. For one, the year the Texans expansion franchise began the talent pool was pitiful so virtually all those picks were wasted not to mention their supplemental portion. Then they hired the wrong people putting them in charge of building the programs. Best change came after new regime with a solid 2006 draft from a very deep pool of talent. Then they cycled downward with too many coaching & internal changes, followed with confusion over evaluating talent. Enter Wade Phillips & he seemed to bring continuity, perspective & much better overall draft focused on defense. Then major injury's to Andre, Mario, knicks to Foster, Schaub & a revolving door in secondary has spelled doom once again. Now it seems Texans lack overall chemistry/motivation a sense another season is slipping by them (same as the fans) & other teams sense this too. So they seize opportunity, make key plays that swing momentum, keeping Texans down.

BigWig
10-20-2011, 08:47 AM
And on that same theme, read AJ's column here it will really put it into perspective.
http://www.examiner.com/houston-texans-in-houston/which-direction-will-the-texans-be-heading-after-sunday

2slik4u
10-20-2011, 08:57 AM
I dont think backing into the playoffs and a round 1 exit will get Kubiak another year. McNair expects to have a competitive team this year and an 8-8 division win + round 1 loss = time for a change.

To be honest I expect the Texans to rip off 5 straight right here and have a strangle hold on the division. 10-11 wins depending on if we can sweep the Titans.

What happens if we go 8-8 or 9-7 and win a couple in the playoffs and lose in AFC champ game?

Does Kubiak stay?

His regular season sucked and we back into playoffs due to outside circumstances but go deep into the playoffs. What to do, what to do???

thunderkyss
10-20-2011, 08:59 AM
And on that same theme, read AJ's column here it will really put it into perspective.
http://www.examiner.com/houston-texans-in-houston/which-direction-will-the-texans-be-heading-after-sunday

He sounds a little doom & gloom to me.
In other words a loss would put the Texans in a position, once again, to need help from other teams to reach their goal, only weeks after sitting pretty at 2-0.



This statement in particular is way off. Even if we lose, we don't need any help from anyone, not yet. We have a rematch with the Titans, we win that one & a loss here is nullified.

The Titans have already lost to Jacksonville. If we split with the Titans, sweep Jacksonville & the Colts, we win the tie breaker.

El Tejano
10-20-2011, 09:03 AM
Before the Rams became the greatest show on turf, there was a season back in like 1994 or 1995 where they started out 5-0 and then went on to be 5-11. I don't know if this happens to either of the teams you used as examples but things like this happen.

Blake
10-20-2011, 09:32 AM
What happens if we go 8-8 or 9-7 and win a couple in the playoffs and lose in AFC champ game?

Does Kubiak stay?

His regular season sucked and we back into playoffs due to outside circumstances but go deep into the playoffs. What to do, what to do???

I take it you are not a fan of being in the AFC Championship game?

If Kubiak can win 2 playoff games and lose to the other best team in the AFC, would you really want to get rid of him? That is similar to the Chargers firing Marty when he went 14-2.

silentassassin
10-20-2011, 09:33 AM
I dont think backing into the playoffs and a round 1 exit will get Kubiak another year. McNair expects to have a competitive team this year and an 8-8 division win + round 1 loss = time for a change.

To be honest I expect the Texans to rip off 5 straight right here and have a strangle hold on the division. 10-11 wins depending on if we can sweep the Titans.

On your first point, who knows if he still feels that way? I'm sure the injuries and setbacks they've suffered this season might have tempered his expectations a little.

For your second point, I'm with you there. They're certainly capable of reeling off those wins, but the issue is trust. I can't trust them to do that as a fan until they actually go out and do it. They don't get the benefit of the doubt—even with an easy schedule—like other teams would.

:koolaid:

Blake
10-20-2011, 09:37 AM
On your first point, who knows if he still feels that way? I'm sure the injuries and setbacks they've suffered this season might have tempered his expectations a little.

For your second point, I'm with you there. They're certainly capable of reeling off those wins, but the issue is trust. I can't trust them to do that as a fan until they actually go out and do it. They don't get the benefit of the doubt—even with an easy schedule—like other teams would.

:koolaid:

Kubiak is expected to get the job done. If he cant win just because he has an injured star for a few weeks then he is in the wrong profession. Good coaches get the job done regardless.

silentassassin
10-20-2011, 09:38 AM
Kubiak is expected to get the job done. If he cant win just because he has an injured star for a few weeks then he is in the wrong profession. Good coaches get the job done regardless.

Agree with you there. But the way McNair has handled the head coaching situation the last few years leads me to believe he might not feel the same way as us.

Hookem Horns
10-20-2011, 09:42 AM
He sounds a little doom & gloom to me.



When the sun rises every morning you begin to expect it to be there like clock work.

BTW, I totally get AJ here because I feel the exact same way.

DexmanC
10-20-2011, 09:45 AM
Kubiak hasn't deserved to be saved by excuses for more than two seasons.
Somehow, he still has staunch supporters.

I simply don't get it.

Blake
10-20-2011, 09:55 AM
Kubiak hasn't deserved to be saved by excuses for more than two seasons.
Somehow, he still has staunch supporters.

I simply don't get it.

Some simply like the ZB offense he has built here and thinks it could win a SB if it was firing on all cylinders and the defense was better.

I do agree that this is his last hurrah. Barring a playoff run, regardless of blame, McNair has to realize that we all need new hope.

drunkcookie
10-20-2011, 10:03 AM
I dont care what the other teams are doing.. i just want the Texans to win, '.'

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2slik4u
10-20-2011, 10:27 AM
I take it you are not a fan of being in the AFC Championship game?

If Kubiak can win 2 playoff games and lose to the other best team in the AFC, would you really want to get rid of him? That is similar to the Chargers firing Marty when he went 14-2.

You are misunderstanding me completely. I, unlike 90% of the fans on this MB, am actually a fan of Kubiak.

If we made it to the playoffs and even won ONE game I would be happy.

I just hear so many people talking about 8-8 and 9-7 records and "backing" our way into the playoffs because Peyton is out (who gives a shit) and how it would somehow underscore our playoff victory or playoff apperance.

Trying not go off into a tangent but basically you would have two contradictory things going on here. One would be another average regular season record that many would be calling for Kubes head on a stake. The other would be our first playoff appearance (and possibly a run deeper into it).

Just bringing up food for thought to those that count everything on regular season records to think about the actual end result no matter how we got there in the first place.

Blake
10-20-2011, 10:41 AM
You are misunderstanding me completely. I, unlike 90% of the fans on this MB, am actually a fan of Kubiak.

If we made it to the playoffs and even won ONE game I would be happy.

I just hear so many people talking about 8-8 and 9-7 records and "backing" our way into the playoffs because Peyton is out (who gives a shit) and how it would somehow underscore our playoff victory or playoff apperance.

Trying not go off into a tangent but basically you would have two contradictory things going on here. One would be another average regular season record that many would be calling for Kubes head on a stake. The other would be our first playoff appearance (and possibly a run deeper into it).

Just bringing up food for thought to those that count everything on regular season records to think about the actual end result no matter how we got there in the first place.

I get ya. I hope this explains my stance.

Not making the playoffs is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.

Backing into the playoffs (8 or 9 wins) and losing that first playoff game is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.

Hell, winning 12 games and losing that first playoff game is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.

Backing into the playoffs (8 or 9 wins) and winning 2+ playoff games is acceptable to me.

The gray area is winning 1 playoff game, and losing the 2nd. What do you do there?

houstonspartan
10-20-2011, 11:00 AM
This team is starting to bore me. I'm no longer excited about watching them like I used to be. Don't get me wrong. I will watch and root for them to win, but, I'm starting to get bored and feel indifferent.

Yankee_In_TX
10-20-2011, 11:56 AM
What happens if we go 8-8 or 9-7 and win a couple in the playoffs and lose in AFC champ game?

Does Kubiak stay?

His regular season sucked and we back into playoffs due to outside circumstances but go deep into the playoffs. What to do, what to do???

If we make a push IN the playoffs, I am ok - it shows they finally learned how to win when it counts (or got damned lucky).

My fear is we back into the playoffs at 8-8 or 9-7 and get destroyed in our first playoff game AND Kubiak gets an extension for making the playoffs.

thunderkyss
10-20-2011, 11:57 AM
On your first point, who knows if he still feels that way? I'm sure the injuries and setbacks they've suffered this season might have tempered his expectations a little.


What's that got to do with anything? Expectations shouldn't really change. A HC is supposed to be able to adjust to things like injuries, that's part of the game, that's why they pay coaches what they pay coaches.

Now if something outside of Kubiak's control were to happen.... say a drought... maybe I can see lowering the bar.

Kubiak is expected to get the job done. If he cant win just because he has an injured star for a few weeks then he is in the wrong profession. Good coaches get the job done regardless.

Exactly.

Yankee_In_TX
10-20-2011, 11:58 AM
This team is starting to bore me. I'm no longer excited about watching them like I used to be. Don't get me wrong. I will watch and root for them to win, but, I'm starting to get bored and feel indifferent.

Like when we are up against the Saints or Ravens, I sit there waiting for them to eventually lose. It's sad, really....

thunderkyss
10-20-2011, 12:00 PM
Kubiak hasn't deserved to be saved by excuses for more than two seasons.
Somehow, he still has staunch supporters.

I simply don't get it.

Who are these staunch supporters, I'm curious. I think everyone is being realistic about Kubiak's position now & in the future.

We've got a few guys who moan & whine about past failures, and some guys who are saying it's time to move on from there.... no need repeating the same crap, regardless how true.

But I wouldn't say "staunch supporters"

I really want to know where you put me, because I feel you include me in that group even though I've said several times the man should have been fired this past off-season.

thunderkyss
10-20-2011, 12:04 PM
I just hear so many people talking about 8-8 and 9-7 records and "backing" our way into the playoffs because Peyton is out (who gives a shit) and how it would somehow underscore our playoff victory or playoff apperance.


Because there should be an asterisk next to that little nugget. 2011 Division Champs*


*Peyton didn't play one snap in 2011.

If that were the case, make no mistake most here would feel this team has not improved at all. I would agree with them and expect 2 additional losses in 2012 (if Manning comes back). Plus with a year under their belts, the Jags & Titans will be stronger, so put down another 2 losses. So that 8-8 will actually be a 4-12 season corrected for the weakness of the division.

If that were the case, you'd basically have no chance of success with Gary Kubiak calling the shots in 2012.

:koolaid:

thunderkyss
10-20-2011, 12:07 PM
This team is starting to bore me. I'm no longer excited about watching them like I used to be. Don't get me wrong. I will watch and root for them to win, but, I'm starting to get bored and feel indifferent.

That defense has kept it interesting for me this year. James Casey had one game & Tate has had some moments.

Foster's 116 receiving game was nice as well.

AAMoF, I think three of our last 6 games have been on NFL replay, meaning they were among the three best games that weekend. Saints, Steelers, & Raiders. Sucks that we came out 1-2 through those games, but they were pretty exciting.

:koolaid:

Runner
10-20-2011, 12:16 PM
Who are these staunch supporters, I'm curious. I think everyone is being realistic about Kubiak's position now & in the future.

We've got a few guys who moan & whine about past failures, and some guys who are saying it's time to move on from there.... no need repeating the same crap, regardless how true.

But I wouldn't say "staunch supporters"

I really want to know where you put me, because I feel you include me in that group even though I've said several times the man should have been fired this past off-season.

Yes, you certainly say you think Kubiak should have been fired. The problem is, except when you make that specific statement most of your posts are making excuses for his past failures, defending his current season performance, or painting rosy scenarios of an undefeated Texans future.

The inconsistency is so obvious I think you are being deliberately obtuse about it just to generate discussion and have an out when *gasp* somehow the Texans don't win their next ten games. Or nine. Or eight. Whenever beating that drum no longer makes "sense".

houstonspartan
10-20-2011, 12:20 PM
That defense has kept it interesting for me this year. James Casey had one game & Tate has had some moments.

Foster's 116 receiving game was nice as well.

AAMoF, I think three of our last 6 games have been on NFL replay, meaning they were among the three best games that weekend. Saints, Steelers, & Raiders. Sucks that we came out 1-2 through those games, but they were pretty exciting.

:koolaid:

Good point. The defense has been exciting to watch at times.

thunderkyss
10-20-2011, 12:48 PM
Yes, you certainly say you think Kubiak should have been fired. The problem is, except when you make that specific statement most of your posts are making excuses for his past failures, defending his current season performance, or painting rosy scenarios of an undefeated Texans future.

There are some good arguments for getting rid of Kubiak. I usually side with those, & there have been times when I have posted them myself.

Then there are those hater-arguments that are created just for Kubiak. I personally feel I have been more consistent than the haters, because I don't hold Kubiak to a higher standard than I hold a Mike Singletary, or Hugh Jackson, or whoever.

If wins against the Dolphins & the Manning-less Colts don't count for Kubiak, wins against Seattle, Cincinnati, and Denver don't count for Harbaugh or Jackson.

If a loss to the Ravens is unacceptable for Kubiak, it's unacceptable for Schwartz, Ryan, Harbaugh, & Peyton to lose against New England, The Jets, or the Cowboys.

The inconsistency is so obvious I think you are being deliberately obtuse about it just to generate discussion and have an out when *gasp* somehow the Texans don't win their next ten games. Or nine. Or eight. Whenever beating that drum no longer makes "sense".

generate discussion..... yes, that's why I'm here. If I want to have a circle jerk about something I have no control over, I'd hang out with family.

& I'm not giving myself an out. I'm trying to frame the conversation.

Jim Caldwell, is he a good head coach? Personally I don't think his past history tells us one way or the other. But if he can pull off an 8-8 or 9-7 season with the team he has now.... you're damn right he's a good coach. If he wins the next 10, how can you argue that?

It sucks he's without Peyton, is that an excuse, or a reason?

TejasTom
10-20-2011, 01:15 PM
I get ya. I hope this explains my stance.

Not making the playoffs is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.

Backing into the playoffs (8 or 9 wins) and losing that first playoff game is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.

Hell, winning 12 games and losing that first playoff game is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.

Backing into the playoffs (8 or 9 wins) and winning 2+ playoff games is acceptable to me.

The gray area is winning 1 playoff game, and losing the 2nd. What do you do there?

I agree totally. On your gray area, it has to come down to how you lose. Blow out, a bunch of mental mistakes, bad coaching, poor execution, etc.

2slik4u
10-20-2011, 01:31 PM
I get ya. I hope this explains my stance.

Not making the playoffs is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.- agreed

Backing into the playoffs (8 or 9 wins) and losing that first playoff game is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.-agreed

Hell, winning 12 games and losing that first playoff game is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed. disagreed

Backing into the playoffs (8 or 9 wins) and winning 2+ playoff games is acceptable to me. -agreed

The gray area is winning 1 playoff game, and losing the 2nd. What do you do there?-Have no idea what to do there. Depends on how we lose, who we lose to, final record of regular season.

Runner
10-20-2011, 01:34 PM
There are some good arguments for getting rid of Kubiak. I usually side with those, & there have been times when I have posted them myself.

Then there are those hater-arguments that are created just for Kubiak. I personally feel I have been more consistent than the haters, because I don't hold Kubiak to a higher standard than I hold a Mike Singletary, or Hugh Jackson, or whoever.

If wins against the Dolphins & the Manning-less Colts don't count for Kubiak, wins against Seattle, Cincinnati, and Denver don't count for Harbaugh or Jackson.

If a loss to the Ravens is unacceptable for Kubiak, it's unacceptable for Schwartz, Ryan, Harbaugh, & Peyton to lose against New England, The Jets, or the Cowboys.


generate discussion..... yes, that's why I'm here. If I want to have a circle jerk about something I have no control over, I'd hang out with family.

& I'm not giving myself an out. I'm trying to frame the conversation.

Jim Caldwell, is he a good head coach? Personally I don't think his past history tells us one way or the other. But if he can pull off an 8-8 or 9-7 season with the team he has now.... you're damn right he's a good coach. If he wins the next 10, how can you argue that?

It sucks he's without Peyton, is that an excuse, or a reason?

You wondered why people think you are pro Kubiak, I answered. I wasn't trying to start an argument about it. So a couple of final points and you can have the last word to tell me why I don't know what I'm talking about.

1) I want Kubiak gone. However, that doesn't put me in the ten percent that "holds him to a different standard". I don't go to the detail to blame him for fourth and one calls, etc. I see that he has been a little below average for his tenure here. He has one season that was two whole games better than Capers' best season. Last year was worse. He has had plenty of time, isn't progressing, and in a competition it is get better or be replaced. I guess I should stop reading your posts, since they seem to be directed to defend everything to those few who attack everything, not to us more moderate people lumped into some global "Kubiak hater" group.

2) This is just my opinion, but I find these "defend everything" posts just as tiresome the "attack everything" posts. I get tired of people nitpicking every single play that doesn't go right as an example of his being a bad coach. Any play can blow up; it's the body of work that counts. I'm just as tired of hearing about injuries, bad calls, and shortened pre-seasons. These are common across the league and every bump in the road shouldn't send the Texans into the ditch.

So I'm just going to ignore the posts from the two extremes. It will make a lot less reading, because those few posters do most of the posting right now. I'm sure it won't break any hearts if I don't read much of this drivel.

thunderkyss
10-20-2011, 02:16 PM
You wondered why people think you are pro Kubiak, I answered.

Thank You

1) I want Kubiak gone. However, that doesn't put me in the ten percent that "holds him to a different standard". I don't go to the detail to blame him for fourth and one calls, etc. I see that he has been a little below average for his tenure here. He has one season that was two whole games better than Capers' best season. Last year was worse. He has had plenty of time, isn't progressing, and in a competition it is get better or be replaced. I guess I should stop reading your posts, since they seem to be directed to defend everything to those few who attack everything, not to us more moderate people lumped into some global "Kubiak hater" group.


No, I've never put you in that group. Yes, most of my post are directed at that group.

2) This is just my opinion, but I find these "defend everything" posts just as tiresome the "attack everything" posts. I get tired of people nitpicking every single play that doesn't go right as an example of his being a bad coach. Any play can blow up; it's the body of work that counts. I'm just as tired of hearing about injuries, bad calls, and shortened pre-seasons. These are common across the league and every bump in the road shouldn't send the Texans into the ditch.

Good point-of-view.

So I'm just going to ignore the posts from the two extremes. It will make a lot less reading, because those few posters do most of the posting right now. I'm sure it won't break any hearts if I don't read much of this drivel.

Actually, it's good for some balance.

No reason those of us on the extremes should be the only ones finding joy in posting here.

Double Barrel
10-20-2011, 02:33 PM
I dont think backing into the playoffs and a round 1 exit will get Kubiak another year. McNair expects to have a competitive team this year and an 8-8 division win + round 1 loss = time for a change.

What makes you say this? Speculation on your part (which is okay to do), or do you have anything concrete from McNair that would support it?

I'm not calling you out by any means, but I've been looking for anything that indicates that it's an either/or situation.

Yes, we know what we think he should do, but his history indicates that he's going to do what he's going to do, and that is often at odds with how most other NFL owners have operated in the past.

What we do know about McNair based on his own words is that he does not like change and he thinks losing a MNF game by a potential comeback is a team on the right track. This mentality certainly opposes a win now or else perspective.

I take it you are not a fan of being in the AFC Championship game?

If Kubiak can win 2 playoff games and lose to the other best team in the AFC, would you really want to get rid of him? That is similar to the Chargers firing Marty when he went 14-2.

I'm a Texans fan, so I want playoff wins regardless of Kubiak or some other coach. In spite of the previous 5 seasons, if the Texans win two playoff games, then by all means, keep Kubiak and re-load for another try.

I get ya. I hope this explains my stance.

Not making the playoffs is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.

Backing into the playoffs (8 or 9 wins) and losing that first playoff game is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.

Hell, winning 12 games and losing that first playoff game is unacceptable to me. New HC is needed.

Backing into the playoffs (8 or 9 wins) and winning 2+ playoff games is acceptable to me.

The gray area is winning 1 playoff game, and losing the 2nd. What do you do there?

It's not a gray area as far as I'm concerned. I have absolutely no doubt that McNair would keep Kubiak under that circumstance, and it would not surprise me to see a contract extension, as well.

We win a playoff game, regardless of how we get there, I do not want to see the coaching staff blown up. The road to the championship game goes through the playoffs, so just getting that 'first time' monkey off our back means something.

Blake
10-20-2011, 02:48 PM
What makes you say this? Speculation on your part (which is okay to do), or do you have anything concrete from McNair that would support it?

I'm not calling you out by any means, but I've been looking for anything that indicates that it's an either/or situation.

Yes, we know what we think he should do, but his history indicates that he's going to do what he's going to do, and that is often at odds with how most other NFL owners have operated in the past.

What we do know about McNair based on his own words is that he does not like change and he thinks losing a MNF game by a potential comeback is a team on the right track. This mentality certainly opposes a win now or else perspective.



I'm a Texans fan, so I want playoff wins regardless of Kubiak or some other coach. In spite of the previous 5 seasons, if the Texans win two playoff games, then by all means, keep Kubiak and re-load for another try.



It's not a gray area as far as I'm concerned. I have absolutely no doubt that McNair would keep Kubiak under that circumstance, and it would not surprise me to see a contract extension, as well.

We win a playoff game, regardless of how we get there, I do not want to see the coaching staff blown up. The road to the championship game goes through the playoffs, so just getting that 'first time' monkey off our back means something.

Really the only thing I can find is this.

"I want to see us do more than just make the playoffs," he said. "That's what I expect. I think we have the talent to do it. I think we've got the coaching staff to do it.

http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-owner-McNair-thinks-time-is-now-for-team-2079604.php

Sounds to me like it would take AT LEAST 1 playoff victory to even consider keeping Kubiak.

Also of note.

At the same time, Kubiak and Smith are not joined at the hip when it comes to their job evaluations.

"I view them separately," McNair said. "They each have a job. They have to work together just like a lot of our people. Each has their own individual responsibility. One doesn't pull the other one down, and one doesn't pull the other one up. Both have to efficiently manage (their responsibilities) and get results based on the circumstances.

Double Barrel
10-20-2011, 02:52 PM
Really the only thing I can find is this.


http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-owner-McNair-thinks-time-is-now-for-team-2079604.php

Sounds to me like it would take AT LEAST 1 playoff victory to even consider keeping Kubiak.

Also of note.

yeah, I've read those. Thanks for the reply.

I'm like you in that it should be playoff win or bust mentality by our owner.

But, I just don't believe it will happen until it actually happens. McNair is a tough owner to read. Dude has the patience of a cat and the loyalty of a dog. He is certainly unlike 31 other NFL owners, which can be a good or bad thing depending on how you choose to perceive it.

thunderkyss
10-20-2011, 02:54 PM
At the same time, Kubiak and Smith are not joined at the hip when it comes to their job evaluations.

"I view them separately," McNair said. "They each have a job. They have to work together just like a lot of our people. Each has their own individual responsibility. One doesn't pull the other one down, and one doesn't pull the other one up. Both have to efficiently manage (their responsibilities) and get results based on the circumstances.

That's the kicker that's been getting us. We need to try to narrow him down on what he means by circumstances.