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EllisUnit
10-18-2011, 09:39 PM
My boss came into the office today and was talking about how GOOD the texans would be if they could play the 3rd and 4th Quarter the way they play the first half every game. And i have to agree. But it makes me think is it the coaches our the players ?

I see some get all defensive that we say kubiak is conservative. I dont think he is. Heres what i think, if the run is working well he will come out the 2nd half with 3 straight throws, now ask urself why does he do this. Well i think its cause he's "Trying" to outsmart the opposing D.C. And in return is looking like an ***** for going away from what is working. Now thats just my opinion.

Whats yours ?

thunderkyss
10-18-2011, 09:44 PM
Personally, I think the players are being coached to play it safe... all the play-making ability has been coached out of them.

Ever wonder why we would get a player, a baller at CB one year, then he's a dud the next? A RB that rushes for 1200 yards as a rookie, then can't hold on to the ball the next? A safety who makes shit happen one year & can't stop shit the next?

Kaiser Toro
10-18-2011, 09:45 PM
There is no need for a separate thread. We have many threads on this subject matter.

The Fire Kubiak thread is going to be summoned from the depths.

EllisUnit
10-18-2011, 09:45 PM
Personally, I think the players are being coached to play it safe... all the play-making ability has been coached out of them.

Ever wonder why we would get a player, a baller at CB one year, then he's a dud the next? A RB that rushes for 1200 yards as a rookie, then can't hold on to the ball the next? A safety who makes shit happen one year & can't stop shit the next?

i thought that was just the "Houston Sports Will never win anything besides 2 NBA titles curse"

Kaiser Toro
10-18-2011, 09:46 PM
There is no need for a separate thread. We have many threads on this subject matter.

The Fire Kubiak thread is going to be summoned from the depths.

A poll. Damn you and your loophole.:kitten:

EllisUnit
10-18-2011, 09:49 PM
A poll. Damn you and your loophole.:kitten:

:boogereater:

steelbtexan
10-18-2011, 09:53 PM
It's Gary,

He's the HC and he handpicked these players.

He's right this is all on him.

TexansFanatic
10-18-2011, 10:11 PM
It's Gary,

He's the HC and he handpicked these players.

He's right this is all on him.

That's essentially what I was going to say.

It doesn't matter if it's the players, because the coach is the one deciding who makes the roster and who starts every game. So, in the end, the coach is responsible for the performance of the players.

That said, I think another coach could easily take over this team and win right away with the talent already on the roster.

EVOLVIST
10-18-2011, 10:21 PM
Personally, I think the players are being coached to play it safe... all the play-making ability has been coached out of them.

Ever wonder why we would get a player, a baller at CB one year, then he's a dud the next? A RB that rushes for 1200 yards as a rookie, then can't hold on to the ball the next? A safety who makes shit happen one year & can't stop shit the next?

I'm not sure what you mean by "play it safe," but the rest of your observations are spot on.

Then again, I don't believe in "player's coaches." Young millionaires with cunny pouring out of the pockets, egos the size of the national debt, and bodies that look like chiseled granite, don't need a coache's teet in their mouths.

They need football. And football is tough.

My middle name is Wayne. Gary Kubiak, by name. Elway's perpetual back-up.

Vinny
10-18-2011, 11:45 PM
I know what it is...it's the bad karma in the style of Feng shui.

I think Confucius once said, "that only a fool would let one's Head Coach pick his Boss".

thunderkyss
10-19-2011, 01:54 AM
Look at the play we ran @3:42 in the 4th. We're down, 26-14 it's 3rd & 4 from our 26 yard line. Matt has to make a play. If he does, the drive is extended. If he doesn't, we go 3 & out & eventually allow the Ravens to extend the score.

He is in the shotgun, 2 receivers to his left (Walter in the slot Jacoby on the wing), OD to his right lined up on the tackle & Derrick Mason wide right. Covering Mason is #36, Danny Gorrer (from Port Arthur, TX) & Bernard Pollard. Gorrer is a 2nd year man.... 3rd String.

It's 4 go routes. All 4 receivers run go routes, Arian Foster slips off into the flat. Bernard Pollard is covering Foster off to Matt's right.

Gorrer is playing the sideline & stays on top of Mason the whole time. Not great coverage, a decent throw & good awareness by the Mason could have beat the coverage. OD is absolutely uncovered. It is possible that Ed Reed is playing center field & could have been covering both Walter & Daniels' route, but when we finally see the ball, he damn near intercepts the ball.

But if he was playing center field, then Jacoby is open. He's gotten past his defender & streaking to the end zone. Both corner backs, 3rd year players, Carey Williams & Lardarius Webb are playing trail techniques. Williams on JJ, Webb on KDub.... which leads me to believe Reed was playing over these two routes & OD was uncovered & wide open (should be read easy TD) in the middle of the field.

Either way, with Ed Reed over Jacoby & Walter, why do you throw to Walter? Over throw it at that? I'd go to Mason..... new guy & all, but you got some punk kid from Port Arthur, Tx covering him... a freak'n Aggie.....

If the offense does it's job here, go down get a touchdown, get the two point conversion, we are down by 3. We kick the onside for a chance to tie the game. If we hit OD here, that's a TD with more than 3 minutes left in the game.

It's a bad situation to be in, down by 8 to a good defense on the road. But, the coach called the right play on this one. Execution was just off... it was way off.

TheMatrix31
10-19-2011, 02:03 AM
That's essentially what I was going to say.

It doesn't matter if it's the players, because the coach is the one deciding who makes the roster and who starts every game. So, in the end, the coach is responsible for the performance of the players.

That said, I think another coach could easily take over this team and win right away with the talent already on the roster.

Somehow I doubt you'd give Kubiak (and Smith) credit in that scenario.

Kubiak is probably over-thinking. Making very poor adjustments in the second half so far this year. I hate this one-half football shit. No team is ever going to be 4 quarters, because this is the NFL, but it's pathetic how predictable it is. I suppose it's better than last year where we didn't know WHICH half we'd show up, lol. Then again, that brought variety?

Player execution gets worse and worse too. Probably speaks to adjustments the other team makes and inability of our coaches and players to adapt.

Corrosion
10-19-2011, 04:43 AM
Matt ..... Throw the ball to Vickers in the flat , he'll be wide open ....

Sure thing coach.


Oh shit , I dropped the ****ing ball.

----------------------------------------------------

Matt , throw a quick slant to Walter. If he's not open chunk it outa bounds and we'll have another play .... Dont force it.

Sorry coach , I got flushed , got scared outa the pocket ..... and threw a pick.

TexansFanatic
10-19-2011, 03:51 PM
Somehow I doubt you'd give Kubiak (and Smith) credit in that scenario.



Really? How about if I go ahead and do it right now then:

If the Texans hire a new coach and he wins right away with the talent already assembled, then I give Kubiak and Smith credit for at least being sharp enough to have put together a solid roster.

Not sure why you'd think I would have trouble doing that. But whatever.

Mr teX
10-19-2011, 03:52 PM
80% Kubiak

20% players

Norg
10-19-2011, 04:10 PM
The short answer is

Its both both can really suck at times

TheMatrix31
10-19-2011, 04:24 PM
Really? How about if I go ahead and do it right now then:

If the Texans hire a new coach and he wins right away with the talent already assembled, then I give Kubiak and Smith credit for at least being sharp enough to have put together a solid roster.

Not sure why you'd think I would have trouble doing that. But whatever.


Nice little half-compliment.

"At least being sharp enough to have put together a solid roster".

But I think it's the best anyone will get out of you, so good job.

TexansFanatic
10-19-2011, 04:45 PM
Nice little half-compliment.

"At least being sharp enough to have put together a solid roster".

But I think it's the best anyone will get out of you, so good job.

What's the problem, bud? Where do you get the idea that I"m somehow intellectually dishonest?

If you can find a post from me that makes a counter argument to another post of mine, please point it out.

To my knowledge I've been nothing but consistent.

If you want to go around creating straw men that you can joust with there's not much I can do about it. But, if anything, that would make you the one being intellectually dishonest.

Again, for the record: I like Kubiak on a personal level. Seems like a terrific guy. I sincerely wish he would take this team to the playoffs this year and hope he gets this city a Super Bowl victory someday.

However, after nearly five and a half years I don't think he's the man for the job.

I believe he has assembled a solid roster. I believe this roster could win right away with good coaching.

But the bottom line is that it doesn't matter whether it's the coaching or the roster causing the disappointment because the coach is responsible for the roster. So if the roster is the problem, then the coach is to blame.

Now, if you'd like to add something snarky to that, then be my guest.

b0ng
10-19-2011, 04:57 PM
I think it's the coaching. I mean if you're saying it's the players, it pretty much goes back to coaching because you're either picking the wrong players, or you're picking the right players but you are terrible at developing said players. I honestly think it's a discipline issue, and Kubiak just doesn't have a tight enough grip on the team to be able to make them execute on a consistent basis besides players like Andre, whom I suspect would be great no matter who coaches him.

Mr teX
10-19-2011, 05:38 PM
I think it's the coaching. I mean if you're saying it's the players, it pretty much goes back to coaching because you're either picking the wrong players, or you're picking the right players but you are terrible at developing said players. I honestly think it's a discipline issue, and Kubiak just doesn't have a tight enough grip on the team to be able to make them execute on a consistent basis besides players like Andre, whom I suspect would be great no matter who coaches him.

Cowboys thought it was pretty much all coaching too so they let wade go with many fans hoping that with his lax coaching style now gone, Garrett's stricter style would finally get the players on edge enough to perform. This in turn would also free Garrett up to let all that speed & talent flourish....a year later, they're finding out Romo is still Romo.

HJam72
10-19-2011, 06:31 PM
Everyone knows that Romo is Romo except Romo...........and Jerra. :clown: