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Vinny
10-17-2011, 09:38 AM
Matt Schaub cancelled regular Monday appearance on Sports Radio 610 to get MRI on hip. Injury not serious. Will start at Tenn.
http://twitter.com/#!/McClain_on_NFL/status/125941374397845505

thunderkyss
10-17-2011, 09:47 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/McClain_on_NFL/status/125941374397845505

Sure he did. I bet he didn't want to take another round of questions.

Hervoyel
10-17-2011, 09:49 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/McClain_on_NFL/status/125941374397845505 (http://twitter.com/#%21/McClain_on_NFL/status/125941374397845505)


That's a shame because I want to see Leinart play. I don't really think he'll be better than Schaub has been, it's just morbid curiosity at this point. I confess to a slight hope that the offense might catch a spark off of a different QB who hasn't been knocked around as much and isn't used to playing with the starters.

TheMatrix31
10-17-2011, 10:24 AM
Yet another banged upplayer. *sigh*

Dude better actually be alright.

texanhead08
10-17-2011, 10:36 AM
That's a shame because I want to see Leinart play. I don't really think he'll be better than Schaub has been, it's just morbid curiosity at this point. I confess to a slight hope that the offense might catch a spark off of a different QB who hasn't been knocked around as much and isn't used to playing with the starters.

That makes one of us. I want no part of Leinart. If this board thinks Schaub has a weak arm wtf are they going to say when 99.9% of the passes go to the RB's with Leinart in there.

DX-TEX
10-17-2011, 10:38 AM
That makes one of us. I want no part of Leinart. If this board thinks Schaub has a weak arm wtf are they going to say when 99.9% of the passes go to the RB's with Leinart in there.

99.5% of our passes now go to RB's/TE's.

IDEXAN
10-17-2011, 10:44 AM
99.5% of our passes now go to RB's/TE's.
You must have been napping when Schaub threw that pass into the EZ to JJ ?
But just for the record, isn't that what a WCO is supposed to do, throw a ton of short passes ? And no I'm not saying for a minute that Schaub has a strong arm.
Schaub didn't play badly yesterday, certainly better than the Raider game.
But we take a huge step-down with Leinert in @ QB instead of Schaub.

Kthx
10-17-2011, 10:49 AM
I guess I will have to make a banner for Rosencopter 2012.

Miss that guy.

Grams
10-17-2011, 10:49 AM
That's a shame because I want to see Leinart play. I don't really think he'll be better than Schaub has been, it's just morbid curiosity at this point. I confess to a slight hope that the offense might catch a spark off of a different QB who hasn't been knocked around as much and isn't used to playing with the starters.

No, No and NO. There is a reason why he is a backup QB, and a reason why no other team really wanted him in the offseason.

Mr teX
10-17-2011, 10:56 AM
yeah, i notice too that all the VY fan boys are in hiding after their guy nearly blew the game for the eagles in just 2 damn plays.

1st play...hand off to McCoy for a couple of yards.

2nd play....interception.

absolutely terrible pass, couldn't imagine what he saw to make him throw that ball. dude was no where near open.

Hervoyel
10-17-2011, 10:59 AM
That makes one of us. I want no part of Leinart. If this board thinks Schaub has a weak arm wtf are they going to say when 99.9% of the passes go to the RB's with Leinart in there.

Well, can he actually hit those RB's or is he just going to throw at their feet like Schaub does half the time?

A quick run around highlight videos for Leinart shows me a guy who doesn't appear to have that much worse an arm than Schaub. Matt's not making good decisions and hasn't been for a while. Maybe it's time he sat down, got healthy, and got his head straight. Even Warren Moon got benched for Cody Carlson when his game was kind of all over the place.

We throw a bunch of stuff to TE's and RB's anyway. Our one healthy deep threat only catches the ball every third Sunday and when AJ gets back it isn't like he's going to miss being hit in stride all the time. He's been coming back for balls since he entered the league.

Hervoyel
10-17-2011, 11:02 AM
You must have been napping when Schaub threw that pass into the EZ to JJ ?
But just for the record, isn't that what a WCO is supposed to do, throw a ton of short passes ? And no I'm not saying for a minute that Schaub has a strong arm.
Schaub didn't play badly yesterday, certainly better than the Raider game.
But we take a huge step-down with Leinert in @ QB instead of Schaub.


That's an assumption you're making since you've never seen Leinart play here outside of preseason with the 2's, 3,s and scrubs. Schaub has been playing erratically for over a year. Shake the friggin tree and see what happens. What's the worst that can come of it? Another .500 record? Maybe a 6-10? It's not like we don't usually get that from a Schaub led Texans team.

Corrosion
10-17-2011, 11:14 AM
That's an assumption you're making since you've never seen Leinart play here outside of preseason with the 2's, 3,s and scrubs. Schaub has been playing erratically for over a year. Shake the friggin tree and see what happens. What's the worst that can come of it? Another .500 record? Maybe a 6-10? It's not like we don't usually get that from a Schaub led Texans team.

Ive lost confidence in Schaub too .... He doesnt have the big arm , throws a lot of bad - inaccurate balls , plays softer than Charmin. It seems to me he's playing not to get hurt .... How many times have we seen him fold up into the fetal position before contact rather than trying to make a damn play ....


Dude just plays like he's scared to make a mistake ..... He's the Anti-Favre.

thunderkyss
10-17-2011, 11:17 AM
Ive lost confidence in Schaub too ....
How many times have we seen him fold up into the fetal position before contact rather than trying to make a damn play ....



Whoa.... hold on right there, It's not that bad.

He's gone down after questionable contact (like Seymour one handing him to the ground), but the guy has taken some pretty good smacks too.

There are a lot of things wrong with the man's game, we don't need to make **** up.

When Manning takes a dive, we call it smart, not so much if Schaub does it???? c'mon man.

TEXANRED
10-17-2011, 11:34 AM
Whoa.... hold on right there, It's not that bad.

He's gone down after questionable contact (like Seymour one handing him to the ground), but the guy has taken some pretty good smacks too.

There are a lot of things wrong with the man's game, we don't need to make **** up.

When Manning takes a dive, we call it smart, not so much if Schaub does it???? c'mon man.

I agree with you. Throwing a pic 6 to end a game, throwing an INT to a defensive lineman, can't complete a pass in the second half, underthrowing balls, over throwing balls, mental break downs in the red zone, we really don't need to make things up.

I think I looked up Schaub's stat against the division and he is 6-11. I hope we start someone other than him to give us a chance.

Rey
10-17-2011, 11:55 AM
Whoa, Hold on....

I've been one of Shamwow's harshest critics, but are we really talking about replacing him? This season?

Kubiak's wagon is hitched to shammy. This season is still alive. I don't think I'm ready or willing to come to the conclusion that we need to bench or trade our starting QB.

He has not been good. He has played below what I think he should have in just about every game this year. But this past game he wasn't terrible. He did some things wrong and pissed me off a few times, but overall he didn't cost us the game.

He didn't do anything special to put us over the top, but he played ok.

If I were the Texans and I made the play-offs this year I'd seriously be looking at drafting a QB with physical tools pretty high in the draft...About the 3rd round. Special players at the qb position are hard to come by, but if you find one you should always have a pretty good team. Shammy is not special. But he doesn't completely suck to the point where we should be trying to replace him in the middle of the season when we have our most legit chance at making the play-offs ever.

CloakNNNdagger
10-17-2011, 12:12 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/McClain_on_NFL/status/125941374397845505
One of the most common causes of hip pain are herniated disc back problems, referring pain to the hip and buttocks areas. During the game, I commented that he seemed to have incurred a back injury in that he was in a kneeling bent forward position, an exercise used to try to stretch the back. I'd be surprised if that "hip MRI" does not also focus it's attention to the lumbar/sacral vertebral areas. The way Schaub was hit on so many plays so that his body folded somewhat sideways, you've got to think of a possible disc injury.

Runner
10-17-2011, 12:16 PM
I know Kubes is the QB guru and all, but I have yet to be impressed with the backups he's hand-picked. The thought of using Leinart doesn't fill me with confidence.

Vinny
10-17-2011, 12:19 PM
One of the most common causes of hip pain are herniated disc back problems, referring pain to the hip and buttocks areas. During the game, I commented that he seemed to have incurred a back injury in that he was in a kneeling bent forward position, an exercise used to try to stretch the back. I'd be surprised if that "hip MRI" does not also focus it's attention to the lumbar/sacral vertebral areas.Schaub's body language was awful yesterday. I think "gimpy" is an understatement when watching him move. A few hard knocks in Nashville and I'm not sure if he can last the season.

I know Kubes is the QB guru and all, but I have yet to be impressed with the backups he's hand-picked. The thought of using Leinart doesn't fill me with confidence.What QB has Kubiak coached that tore up the league and won a bunch of games other than John Elway? Heck, the Broncos only won ONE playoff game after Elway retired.

nero THE zero
10-17-2011, 12:23 PM
Schaub's body language was awful yesterday. I think "gimpy" is an understatement when watching him move. A few hard knocks in Nashville and I'm not sure if he can last the season.

The crap he was pulling yesterday would make the Duke basketball team proud. Every time he got touched he'd go down like someone torpedoed his knees.

He's also patented the "head grab." When it happened in NOLA I couldn't tell if he was acting, but he's pulled the same move in every game since.

It's embarrassing. I don't like to cheer for those kinds of players.

Runner
10-17-2011, 12:45 PM
What QB has Kubiak coached that tore up the league and won a bunch of games other than John Elway? Heck, the Broncos only won ONE playoff game after Elway retired.

Exactly. None.

TimeKiller
10-17-2011, 12:55 PM
One of the most common causes of hip pain are herniated disc back problems, referring pain to the hip and buttocks areas. During the game, I commented that he seemed to have incurred a back injury in that he was in a kneeling bent forward position, an exercise used to try to stretch the back. I'd be surprised if that "hip MRI" does not also focus it's attention to the lumbar/sacral vertebral areas. The way Schaub was hit on so many plays so that his body folded somewhat sideways, you've got to think of a possible disc injury.

Not trying to steal your thunder, I think everybody pretty well respects your medical opinion by now....but from what I saw he was doing a yoga pose aimed at opening the hip joint and stretching it out. You take a knee, roll your front hip out so your front knee touches the ground, then you stretch and lean forward. Believe me, it's NOT a back stretch. It very well could be any of the problems you've said but I think that was to address his gimpy walk, maybe a thigh bruise or hip joint problem. Either way it sucks to have him nearing an injured status too!

Schaub's body language was awful yesterday. I think "gimpy" is an understatement when watching him move. A few hard knocks in Nashville and I'm not sure if he can last the season.

Yeah. I mean it's football. I've never been repeatedly tackled by the Ravens defense but I damn sure wouldn't put that act on. Everyone knows your hurt buddy, you don't have to ham it up. Stretching on the sidelines is one thing but like if you're gonna act, ACT like it DOESN'T hurt. On the field especially, you're just letting them know they're getting to you.

infantrycak
10-17-2011, 01:07 PM
What QB has Kubiak coached that tore up the league and won a bunch of games other than John Elway? Heck, the Broncos only won ONE playoff game after Elway retired.

Steve Young.

eriadoc
10-17-2011, 01:07 PM
What QB has Kubiak coached that tore up the league and won a bunch of games other than John Elway? Heck, the Broncos only won ONE playoff game after Elway retired.

Jake Plummer raised his QB rating 20-30 points the years he worked under Kubiak. Brian Griese actually went to a Pro Bowl. I think the hope when Kubiak was brought here was if he could do that with those bums, imagine what he could do with a good QB. So IF you thought that, then what's your conclusion now? I just think Kubiak's system is going to make any basically competent QB look good, but it's not going to turn Jake Plummer into John Elway. And it's not going to turn Matt Schaub into anything better than what you see right now. And for those wanting to see Matt Leinart, the system is not going to turn him into even Matt Schaub.

At the end of the day, the NFL has turned pro football into a game of quarterbacks. It's still more a team sport than any other, but the QB has never been more important today. If you have a good QB, you'll win Super Bowls. If you have a bad QB, you'll have a chance to draft a good one. If you have a decent QB, you're stuck with him, because no one wants to give up on him, you're always on the verge of winning so you're drafting other players, and in our case, the coach's job is tied into the decision.

Vinny
10-17-2011, 01:14 PM
Jake Plummer raised his QB rating 20-30 points the years he worked under Kubiak. Brian Griese actually went to a Pro Bowl. I think the hope when Kubiak was brought here was if he could do that with those bums, imagine what he could do with a good QB. So IF you thought that, then what's your conclusion now? I just think Kubiak's system is going to make any basically competent QB look good, but it's not going to turn Jake Plummer into John Elway. And it's not going to turn Matt Schaub into anything better than what you see right now. And for those wanting to see Matt Leinart, the system is not going to turn him into even Matt Schaub.

At the end of the day, the NFL has turned pro football into a game of quarterbacks. It's still more a team sport than any other, but the QB has never been more important today. If you have a good QB, you'll win Super Bowls. If you have a bad QB, you'll have a chance to draft a good one. If you have a decent QB, you're stuck with him, because no one wants to give up on him, you're always on the verge of winning so you're drafting other players, and in our case, the coach's job is tied into the decision.
In 8 seasons with Griese and Plummer, the Broncos won 1 more playoff game than the Texans have the last 8 seasons. Good offenses that could not finish...sound familiar?

eriadoc
10-17-2011, 01:21 PM
In 8 seasons with Griese and Plummer, the Broncos won 1 more playoff game than the Texans have the last 8 seasons. Good offenses that could not finish...sound familiar?

That's pretty much what I was trying to say. We were all blinded by the flash of what he did with Plummer and to a lesser extent, Griese. The Broncos went 13-3 with Plummer, won a playoff game, and lost in the AFC Championship. As much as I think that's the absolute ceiling (really pretty imaginary), I'd take it right now. But my overriding point was that Kubiak's offensive system puts QBs in position to look good and m,ask their deficiencies, but at some point, the real QB will always shine through. This is as good as Schaub can be, the offense can't finish, and we're stuck with it.

Vinny
10-17-2011, 01:26 PM
That's pretty much what I was trying to say. We were all blinded by the flash of what he did with Plummer and to a lesser extent, Griese. The Broncos went 13-3 with Plummer, won a playoff game, and lost in the AFC Championship. As much as I think that's the absolute ceiling (really pretty imaginary), I'd take it right now. But my overriding point was that Kubiak's offensive system puts QBs in position to look good and m,ask their deficiencies, but at some point, the real QB will always shine through. This is as good as Schaub can be, the offense can't finish, and we're stuck with it.ok....I agree that he has a system that racks up QB numbers. I don't think Schaub is as good as Plummer was with less talent at WR. Just watching Schaub makes me think he is regressing this season though. I'm a little worried about him going fwd.

BigBull17
10-17-2011, 01:30 PM
The game yesterday made me regret ever backing Matt. He was ok, but I don't want a QB that quits on plays SO easy. One time the guy was like 23 yards away and blocked and he just flopped and then limped of the field. He really didn't take any bad hits and looked like he had been beat with a bat. Was just a pathetic display. Good QBs keep their eyesdown field even when theey are wrapped up. Brees, Brady, Manning, even Flaco kept looking when they were wrapped up. Schaub looks like he wants nothing more than to lay on the ground. I'm just done. If he is hurt, he is obviously too hurt to play.

eriadoc
10-17-2011, 01:34 PM
The game yesterday made me regret ever backing Matt. He was ok, but I don't want a QB that quits on plays SO easy.

Once he starts to move left or right from the pocket (not a designed rollout), he's done. I just wait for him to throw it out of bounds. With AJ in the game, there's a chance someone will come open, but without AJ, it's a throwaway or sack.

Kthx
10-17-2011, 01:38 PM
At the bar yesterday I heard several tables agreeing with each other that Schaub just looked plain defeated in the 4th quarter. His shoulders were slumped and his head was down, and sure enough he played like he was defeated also.

Norg
10-17-2011, 01:39 PM
Kubes will live or die with schaub the only way matty L sees the field if Schaub is on his Injured like major injury

fiasco west
10-17-2011, 01:40 PM
The game yesterday made me regret ever backing Matt. He was ok, but I don't want a QB that quits on plays SO easy. One time the guy was like 23 yards away and blocked and he just flopped and then limped of the field. He really didn't take any bad hits and looked like he had been beat with a bat. Was just a pathetic display. Good QBs keep their eyesdown field even when theey are wrapped up. Brees, Brady, Manning, even Flaco kept looking when they were wrapped up. Schaub looks like he wants nothing more than to lay on the ground. I'm just done. If he is hurt, he is obviously too hurt to play.

I'm curious about playing Matt 2 as well. Simply because in preseason the one thing he did do was stand tall in the pocket and deliver the ball despite pressure.

I haev no problem with Matt taking sacks...but when your offense NEEDS to score you have to man up and not concede defeat so easily.

eriadoc
10-17-2011, 01:41 PM
Kubes will live or die with schaub the only way matty L sees the field if Schaub is on his Injured like major injury

Wow.

ObsiWan
10-17-2011, 01:42 PM
yeah, i notice too that all the VY fan boys are in hiding after their guy nearly blew the game for the eagles in just 2 damn plays.

1st play...hand off to McCoy for a couple of yards.

2nd play....interception.

absolutely terrible pass, couldn't imagine what he saw to make him throw that ball. dude was no where near open.

Wait, what??
You mean VY fanboys still exist?
:kitten:

Texans_Chick
10-17-2011, 02:53 PM
Body language?

Just the Ngata helmet hit to the chest would end most of us. Much less all the hits he has taken the last couple of weeks.

They need to figure out this running game thing pronto.

We are likely going to get no honest discussions of Schaub's health. /signed this old article (http://www.aolnews.com/2007/10/30/gary-kubiak-cant-say-conc-concuss-describes-matt-schaub/)

TEXANRED
10-17-2011, 02:59 PM
Body language?

Just the Ngata helmet hit to the chest would end most of us. Much less all the hits he has taken the last couple of weeks.

They need to figure out this running game thing pronto.

We are likely going to get no honest discussions of Schaub's health. /signed this old article (http://www.aolnews.com/2007/10/30/gary-kubiak-cant-say-conc-concuss-describes-matt-schaub/)

Should have resinged Leach.

Singed

All of the Texans.

Craig.
10-17-2011, 03:24 PM
I doubt a single member of this team would singe off on that

TEXANRED
10-17-2011, 03:26 PM
I doubt a single member of this team would singe off on that

You don't think they miss Leach? Really? You must be Rick Smith.

Just ask any number of Linebackers that Leach put a hurt on yesterday.

nero THE zero
10-17-2011, 03:39 PM
You don't think they miss Leach? Really? You must be Rick Smith.

Just ask any number of Linebackers that Leach put a hurt on yesterday.

The Ravens made a point to try and get Leach involved early (obviously to put it to his old team) and it failed miserably.

Rice was held to under 3.0YPC until the 4th quarter at which point the Ravens started running one back sets.

You think the Texans missed Leach when Foster put 155 on the Steelers? Or does Leach have healing powers?

The Texans don't miss Leach. They miss Andre.

ObsiWan
10-17-2011, 03:49 PM
Body language?

Just the Ngata helmet hit to the chest would end most of us. Much less all the hits he has taken the last couple of weeks.

They need to figure out this running game thing pronto.

We are likely going to get no honest discussions of Schaub's health. /signed this old article (http://www.aolnews.com/2007/10/30/gary-kubiak-cant-say-conc-concuss-describes-matt-schaub/)

Now Steph you know the "Code of the NFL". No head coach gets into specifics about any player's injury unless said player is obviously out for the season (see Mario) or was knocked out of a game and could not return. And even in the latter case, they're as vague as the press allows them to be. The best we'll get is when they have to declare the health status (probable, questionable, etc.) going into the weekend.

Speaking of health issues, I have an uneasy suspiction that some of the O-line guys aren't 100% either. I know for a fact I saw Duane Brown seriously hobbling yesterday. Haven't heard a word about him either.

disaacks3
10-17-2011, 04:07 PM
No, No and NO. There is a reason why he is a backup QB, and a reason why no other team really wanted him in the offseason.

The Ravens made a point to try and get Leach involved early (obviously to put it to his old team) and it failed miserably.

Rice was held to under 3.0YPC until the 4th quarter at which point the Ravens started running one back sets.

You think the Texans missed Leach when Foster put 155 on the Steelers? Or does Leach have healing powers?

The Texans don't miss Leach. They miss Andre.

I see your point, but the Texans DID miss Leach against the Raens yesterday, if only on the 4th and 1 that failed miserably.

Vinny
10-17-2011, 04:08 PM
Body language?
Yeah I don't like his body language. Yes, it has a lot to do with the hits. Regardless, it still equates to projecting weakness in a physical sport that takes advantage of weakness. David Carr would pop back up, throw some praise and would be amazingly fresh as a daisy despite throwing himself into sack after sack. He was the energizer bunny of self-sacking quarterbacks, but certainly that amazing durability didn't make him a good qb. It was however, an important trait for a QB and one reason he stuck in the league so long...that and his shiny locks of course. Schaub looks like Charlie Brown after he gets hit. He doesn't look like a guy who is going to hold up much longer to me. He seems to be playing a bit gimpy and his MRI today tells us he is in pain...they just don't know if its just regular pain, pain, or something broken or strained pain. Regardless, I'm not anti-Schaub and I'm not one of the guys who are destroying his game right now even though we only had 76 yards in his final five drives...I just don't like his body language right now.

badboy
10-17-2011, 04:30 PM
Now Steph you know the "Code of the NFL". No head coach gets into specifics about any player's injury unless said player is obviously out for the season (see Mario) or was knocked out of a game and could not return. And even in the latter case, they're as vague as the press allows them to be. The best we'll get is when they have to declare the health status (probable, questionable, etc.) going into the weekend.

Speaking of health issues, I have an uneasy suspiction that some of the O-line guys aren't 100% either. I know for a fact I saw Duane Brown seriously hobbling yesterday. Haven't heard a word about him either.

I never heard how Briesel's ankle was either.

thunderkyss
10-17-2011, 04:50 PM
The Texans don't miss Leach. They miss Andre.

I bet OD & Matt misses James Casey.

80tothezone
10-17-2011, 04:53 PM
Well, can he actually hit those RB's or is he just going to throw at their feet like Schaub does half the time?

A quick run around highlight videos for Leinart shows me a guy who doesn't appear to have that much worse an arm than Schaub. Matt's not making good decisions and hasn't been for a while. Maybe it's time he sat down, got healthy, and got his head straight. Even Warren Moon got benched for Cody Carlson when his game was kind of all over the place.

We throw a bunch of stuff to TE's and RB's anyway. Our one healthy deep threat only catches the ball every third Sunday and when AJ gets back it isn't like he's going to miss being hit in stride all the time. He's been coming back for balls since he entered the league.

schaub is good enough, considering what is available out there he is the best option. only one brady and one peyton. might be a good idea to try n groom a guy for the future but schaub can get us there. As for people coming back for passes normally happens when throwing on the run which is to be expected.

CloakNNNdagger
10-17-2011, 06:37 PM
Not trying to steal your thunder, I think everybody pretty well respects your medical opinion by now....but from what I saw he was doing a yoga pose aimed at opening the hip joint and stretching it out. You take a knee, roll your front hip out so your front knee touches the ground, then you stretch and lean forward. Believe me, it's NOT a back stretch. It very well could be any of the problems you've said but I think that was to address his gimpy walk, maybe a thigh bruise or hip joint problem. Either way it sucks to have him nearing an injured status too!

TK, I'm always open to observations. What I remember was that he was on his knees, but not with one in front of his other (or crossing over) and his body was bending down at the waist straight down to the ground. As I'm sure you know, direct hits to the hip area again can do a number on the back as well as the hip. Injury to the back or the hip will cause hip and buttocks muscles to go into spasm, and if YOUR observations are truer to form, it would still be a very appropriate maneuver. I have a feeling the Texans would go with a hip bruise for public consumption before they would reveal a disc injury.

speedfreek
10-17-2011, 06:46 PM
I hope he's not hurt and misses time --
yet another reason for Boobiak to claim he deserves another year

TJ

CloakNNNdagger
10-17-2011, 06:47 PM
I never heard how Briesel's ankle was either.

He is out for the season with a Lisfranc injury. The Lisfranc injury is a fracture and/or dislocation of the midfoot region. In a 300 pound lineman, it can be career ending.

Edit: Sorry, that was Barber's injury..not Briesel's. In a light player, this still could be a career altering injury.

Corrosion
10-17-2011, 06:48 PM
Body language?

Just the Ngata helmet hit to the chest would end most of us. Much less all the hits he has taken the last couple of weeks.

They need to figure out this running game thing pronto.

We are likely going to get no honest discussions of Schaub's health. /signed this old article (http://www.aolnews.com/2007/10/30/gary-kubiak-cant-say-conc-concuss-describes-matt-schaub/)

If you go back and watch that play .... Schaub basically ran into Ngata to avoid pressure from the edge.

Texans_Chick
10-17-2011, 07:05 PM
If you go back and watch that play .... Schaub basically ran into Ngata to avoid pressure from the edge.

Well yeah. I can tell you what my body language would be after that collision.

6 feet under. It's a wonder he didn't break something.

The body language game is a hard one. On one hand, you don't want to show you are hurt. On the other hand, like the JJ Watt shoved into Big Ben hit that resulted in a penalty, sometimes a QB has to show that a hit hurt to maybe draw a flag. That's just how things work.

Schaub got $50,000 worth of fines from Jared Allen with no flag because he was able to complete passes without crumpling after the hit.

EllisUnit
10-17-2011, 07:10 PM
He is out for the season with a Lisfranc injury. The Lisfranc injury is a fracture and/or dislocation of the midfoot region. In a 300 pound lineman, it can be career ending.

Edit: Sorry, that was Barber's injury..not Briesel's. In a light player, this still could be a career altering injury.

i was about to say, damn and the dude came back out to play.......

Corrosion
10-17-2011, 07:14 PM
Well yeah. I can tell you what my body language would be after that collision.

6 feet under. It's a wonder he didn't break something.

The body language game is a hard one. On one hand, you don't want to show you are hurt. On the other hand, like the JJ Watt shoved into Big Ben hit that resulted in a penalty, sometimes a QB has to show that a hit hurt to maybe draw a flag. That's just how things work.

Schaub got $50,000 worth of fines from Jared Allen with no flag because he was able to complete passes without crumpling after the hit.

I thought it was a good no call because Schaub initiated the contactwith Ngata .... He just happened to be in the way of where Schaub wanted to go.
Didnt seem like much of a hit at all. Hell , Schaub kinda jumped and was able to throw the ball over the top of the guy ..... The "Other two Ravens" in on the play hit Schaub with more force.

From your friends at the Chron ....

http://www.chron.com/mediaManager/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=1677129&format=centerpiece

80tothezone
10-17-2011, 07:19 PM
I see your point, but the Texans DID miss Leach against the Raens yesterday, if only on the 4th and 1 that failed miserably.

u can't really say that foster was facemasked leach or no leach if the refs fail to make a fm call then ur not gonna get that one

pirbroke
10-17-2011, 08:26 PM
He is out for the season with a Lisfranc injury. The Lisfranc injury is a fracture and/or dislocation of the midfoot region. In a 300 pound lineman, it can be career ending.

Edit: Sorry, that was Barber's injury..not Briesel's. In a light player, this still could be a career altering injury.

wooo you scared me on that one, the oline can't have anymore injurys.

CloakNNNdagger
10-17-2011, 08:33 PM
wooo you scared me on that one, the oline can't have anymore injurys.

Scared me too after I read it!!!!!LOL!

Vinny
10-18-2011, 12:57 AM
Well yeah. I can tell you what my body language would be after that collision.

6 feet under. It's a wonder he didn't break something.

The body language game is a hard one. On one hand, you don't want to show you are hurt. On the other hand, like the JJ Watt shoved into Big Ben hit that resulted in a penalty, sometimes a QB has to show that a hit hurt to maybe draw a flag. That's just how things work.

Schaub got $50,000 worth of fines from Jared Allen with no flag because he was able to complete passes without crumpling after the hit.I'm admittedly nitpicking Schaub, but he doesn't project leadership when the going gets tough. I'm not questioning his toughness either. He's plenty tough. You give an example of Roethlisberger hamming it up, but he has great body language if you ask me...he's the kind of guy players rally around in the 4th quarter when the going gets tough. Schaub? He's Gifford Neilson...'ol milkshake breath...a good player, but not too compelling.

TimeKiller
10-18-2011, 06:04 PM
TK, I'm always open to observations. What I remember was that he was on his knees, but not with one in front of his other (or crossing over) and his body was bending down at the waist straight down to the ground. As I'm sure you know, direct hits to the hip area again can do a number on the back as well as the hip. Injury to the back or the hip will cause hip and buttocks muscles to go into spasm, and if YOUR observations are truer to form, it would still be a very appropriate maneuver. I have a feeling the Texans would go with a hip bruise for public consumption before they would reveal a disc injury.

Definitely, the Texans try to make any injury that's not season-ending sound minor. It was only a quick shot and I only saw it once so I could be mistaken but I remember saying he was doing yoga on the sidelines. The way you describe with both knees forward is also a yoga pose but with both knees forward the length is through the lower back and butt, not so much the hip like the lunge/crossover one I described. I'd certainly be interested to know exactly which one he was doing because despite the similar position they are two totally different stretches.

J_R
10-18-2011, 06:11 PM
Not my picture or the best picture but...

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6042/6252986758_76385181b8_o.jpg

Vinny
10-18-2011, 06:20 PM
Not my picture or the best picture but...

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6042/6252986758_76385181b8_o.jpg
Schaub's carpet isn't facing mecca

Craig.
10-18-2011, 08:01 PM
Schaub's carpet isn't facing mecca

Think about it. The Texans bench is on the West side of Reliant so Matt al-Schaub would be facing East. If you were to flatten a globe Mecca would be due East from Houston. He's got it right. Give him some credit. :D

GP
10-18-2011, 08:50 PM
Schaub has no AJ, an unreliable JJ, and a curiously is-he-still-hurting-or-is-he-not Foster. Plus, his offensive line (IMO) is pussing out on him and sort of ringing the bell out there.

If he doesn't completely lose his mind and decide he's had a nice run in Houston and accept defeat, I'll be impressed. Because all things considered, he's been better than David Carr and he's not had a HC (Kubiak) who can put together REAL game plans to beat defenses.

Kubiak's tried to put an elite offense out there, centered upon AJ and anchored by Foster, with Schaub steering the wheel. When people say we're a "finesse" team I think I finally get it. They're saying, IMO, that Kubiak is not trying to create a team that can out-think, out-fight, and strategically BEAT opponents. He's trying to stack the deck with four aces and say "HA! I beat you!" when in reality, he's not good at poker to begin with.

He's trying to finesse his way to victory instead of saying "It doesn't matter WHO plays for the Texans, we're always better and we're tougher and we'll find a way to win games even when 'our best players' are down."

Look at what we are: We're the ones who taunt the Colts and say "You're nothing without Peyton Manning!" And yet we are nothing without Andre Johnson. Meanwhile, a team like the Titans (and I literally gulp my own vomit when I say this) has been in and out of fame and destitution...and yet here they are, playing without a world beater QB and without a world beater WR and a RB who sat out the preseason and hasn't looked like a world beater this year. First-time NFL head coach, Frank Freaking Bush is on their staff, and yet they look very viable to win the South at this point. Why?

Because, IMO, Bud Adams and his front office finds ways to acquire coaches who coach whatever talent they have and build them up into being better than they probably are. Taking a group of guys and driving them and willing them to being better than they probably are. THEN...when a Titans team actually gets some decent talent to add to their persona, whammo! it clicks and it works. It sustains the foundation of who they have been built to be.

There is no real foundation on this Texans team. Kubiak has just tried to find great players, put them to work in his style of offense, and he thinks it all clicks somehow and one day the perfect storm will arise and we'll be unstoppable. And he's aided and abetted by a first-time NFL owner who is willing to see if it will work out that way.

Love him or hate him, Bud Adams had a competitive Oilers team that broke up and he announced the departure for Tennessee...drafted Steve McNair, and soon had his Titans into the Super Bowl. He's navigated the team and its fans through the recent turmoil with Vince Young and Jeff Fisher, and has his new coach and his new QB looking fairly decent in just their first year there. You can't help but think that, despite Bud Adams' shenanigans, he's better at fielding a FOOTBALL TEAM than McNair is. Top to bottom, despite the Vince Young mistake, Bud Adams has ran circles around Bob McNair.

It just pisses me off. It shouldn't be so, but it is. It's reality. Some goons should NOT prosper. But they do. Will our guys ever make a dent in the AFC South? 10 years and we haven't. No #18 in our way this year, can we take advantage of it? I won't answer. Just leaving it there for deep thought.

Vinny
10-18-2011, 10:04 PM
Schaub's carpet isn't facing mecca

Think about it. The Texans bench is on the West side of Reliant so Matt al-Schaub would be facing East. If you were to flatten a globe Mecca would be due East from Houston. He's got it right. Give him some credit. :DI think you are right. His qiblah is as accurate as his right arm...I stand corrected.

CloakNNNdagger
10-18-2011, 10:15 PM
I think you are right. His qiblah is as accurate as his right arm...I stand corrected.





You might be surprised. http://www.qiblalocator.com/:shades:

Lucky
10-18-2011, 10:26 PM
Schaub? He's Gifford Neilson...'ol milkshake breath...a good player, but not too compelling.
I was going to say Chris Chandler, but I get what you're saying.

I don't want to trash Schaub. I thought that the 2008-2010 versions were good enough to win with. Matt wasn't great, but it wasn't his fault (entirely) that the Texans couldn't get over the hump. The 2011 Schaub is not good enough to win with. When QBs are in the midst of record shattering performances, Matt is having his worst season as a Texan. It's not all the lack of AJ, either. Schaub was spotty prior to Johnson's injury.

Matt was never a great athlete (compared to other NFL QBs). But he looks less mobile and more fragile that ever before. To his credit, Schaub continues to answer the bell. Which is what I like about him most. And I do think he has leadership ability. I think the void in leadership lies elsewhere. I don't believe Schaub will play 16 games this season. The next hit could put him down for awhile. That's when we will see where the leadership comes from (or doesn't) in this offense.

Vinny
10-18-2011, 10:37 PM
I'm admittedly nitpicking Schaub, but he doesn't project leadership when the going gets tough. I'm not questioning his toughness either. He's plenty tough. You give an example of Roethlisberger hamming it up, but he has great body language if you ask me...he's the kind of guy players rally around in the 4th quarter when the going gets tough. Schaub? He's Gifford Neilson...'ol milkshake breath...a good player, but not too compelling.

I was going to say Chris Chandler, but I get what you're saying.

I don't want to trash Schaub. I thought that the 2008-2010 versions were good enough to win with. Matt wasn't great, but it wasn't his fault (entirely) that the Texans couldn't get over the hump. The 2011 Schaub is not good enough to win with. When QBs are in the midst of record shattering performances, Matt is having his worst season as a Texan. It's not all the lack of AJ, either. Schaub was spotty prior to Johnson's injury.

Matt was never a great athlete (compared to other NFL QBs). But he looks less mobile and more fragile that ever before. To his credit, Schaub continues to answer the bell. Which is what I like about him most. And I do think he has leadership ability. I think the void in leadership lies elsewhere. I don't believe Schaub will play 16 games this season. The next hit could put him down for awhile. That's when we will see where the leadership comes from (or doesn't) in this offense.
Chris chan chandler chandelier is a pretty good comparison physically. He had a beautiful deep ball though. Not many qb's had that much accuracy deep. Heck, I think McNair would have played sooner but Chandler was just so damn good...but he was a balsa wood plane at the end of the day.

I see the nice guy, big body, smart but highly immobile player Giff was. Similar leadership skills (not barren, but not exactly Sgt Rock). I totally agree on the next hit thing. He's really looking like his body is not gonna hold up this season. With the Titans new revamped front 7, I'm a little worried about him getting through the game Sunday.

CloakNNNdagger
10-18-2011, 10:45 PM
Chris chan chandler chandelier is a pretty good comparison physically. He had a beautiful deep ball though. Not many qb's had that much accuracy deep. Heck, I think McNair would have played sooner but Chandler was just so damn good...but he was a balsa wood plane at the end of the day.

I see the nice guy, big body, smart but highly immobile player Giff was. Similar leadership skills (not barren, but not exactly Sgt Rock). I totally agree on the next hit thing. He's really looking like his body is not gonna hold up this season. With the Titans new revamped front 7, I'm a little worried about him getting through the game Sunday.

Zierlein (http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2011/10/five-on-the-fly-thoughts-on-texans-loss-as-well-as-film-study-on-arian-foster/) made an interesting observation.

Duane Brown had more trouble than the Texans probably would have liked with Terrell Suggs, but Matt Schaub needs to be careful about setting up a little too deep in the pocket against speed rushers. One of the best ways to protect your QB is to have your QB set up at a known yardage for offensive linemen. If Schaub sets up even a yard deeper than he is supposed to, he is making it easier on DEs and I saw some of that on Sunday. With that said, Duane Brown has to keep his technique up.

thunderkyss
10-19-2011, 01:53 AM
Kubiak's tried to put an elite offense out there, centered upon AJ and anchored by Foster, with Schaub steering the wheel.

Get real. Not trying to defense Kubiak, but this is just stupid. Kubiak hasn't tried to put an "elite" offense out there, he's given all his talent to the defense side of the ball & coaching his ass off to get a bunch of also rans & AJ to perform at an NFL level.

That's coaching... maybe not head coaching, but that's coaching when you've got more UDFAs than 1st round picks on offense that can & has gone toe-to-toe with any offense in the league.

AJ wasn't his pick, but he's gone to the Pro-Bowl under Kubiak. So has Matt Schaub who every body is calling a back-up QB now. OD has gone to the Pro-Bowl, that's a 4th round pick. Arian Foster went to the Pro-Bowl, maybe that had more to do with Arian, but it didn't hurt that Kubiak put a Pro-Bowl (a forgotten journeyman really) in front of him.

& it might sound silly now, but I bet Chris Meyers gets a pro bowl bid.... maybe not starting, depending on how Mangold's season goes. He's playing his ass off & that is without a doubt Kubiak's man.

Kubiak has many faults & you know them all. No reason to make **** up.

thunderkyss
10-19-2011, 01:56 AM
Think about it. The Texans bench is on the West side of Reliant so Matt al-Schaub would be facing East. If you were to flatten a globe Mecca would be due East from Houston. He's got it right. Give him some credit. :D

That wasn't at Reliant.

House of Pain
10-19-2011, 04:05 AM
Schaub's carpet isn't facing mecca

Dammit! You beat me to the punch. Good game, sir.

Craig.
10-19-2011, 07:35 AM
That wasn't at Reliant.

http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/diloedgehead3/thsimpsons.gif

El Tejano
10-19-2011, 07:46 AM
Just bring in Matt "smell my fingers" Leinhart (I'm sorry but I've never been good at spelling his last name.) because Schaub is feeling woozy!

TEXANRED
10-19-2011, 07:50 AM
Schaub has no AJ, an unreliable JJ, and a curiously is-he-still-hurting-or-is-he-not Foster. Plus, his offensive line (IMO) is pussing out on him and sort of ringing the bell out there.



All you're missing is "The line just needs time to jell" and we have the David Carr discussions all over again.

TimeKiller
10-19-2011, 12:28 PM
Not my picture or the best picture but...

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6042/6252986758_76385181b8_o.jpg

I can't really tell, looks like his knee is turned a little bit but....meh. Appreciate the effort JR

steelbtexan
10-19-2011, 11:20 PM
Shaub is playing hurt.

You can tell by his inaccuracy the last 2 games.