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badboy
10-16-2011, 06:43 PM
First, I know it was a loss but didn't most of us expect it? I was very impressed with the overall defense. Reed, Barwin, Smith were excellent. I did not focus on Watt and don't remember him doing much, maybe someone else can help me out? ALso Demeco, I saw hoim make one good tackle but didn't impact game that I saw. Cushing was a man possessed and no one should say anything about this D without Mario. Williams would make it better but no one laid down. KJ did not cost a TD (I don't think). He had the holding call but that can happen. He was only beat once I saw and that turned out to be Manning's not helping at least what announcer said. I never got a clear picture of the play.

Offense looked better than I expected. I was worried about Briesel's ankle but did not seem to effect him much. A TE cost us a sack that hurt Matt and Schaub took a beating all game but hung in there. We need to get a QB soon to prepare to take over for Matt eventually. That may be Yates but difficult to say now. Positive upside is our recieving corps looked pretty good and we will be alright especially when AJ returns.

Jacoby was outstanding imo and all I can hope for is to see more of it. He is so inconsistent. THis game impressed me as I believe the team played four quarters and I wanted to see that. We are gonna be limping against you know who next week.

Porky
10-16-2011, 06:48 PM
The offense managed 14 points, and that was better than you expected? Were you expecting a shut out? And they played 4 quarters? Ummmm, I guess technically they did, but if you mean they actually completed a game and didn't go mentally soft, I guess we'll have a disagreement there.

eriadoc
10-16-2011, 06:48 PM
First, I know it was a loss but didn't most of us expect it? I wan very impressed with the overall defense. Reed, Barwin, Smith were excellent. I did not focus on Watt and don't remember him doing much, maybe someone else can help me out? ALso Demeco, I saw hoim make one good tackle but didn't impact game that I saw. Cushing was a man possessed and no one should say anything about this D without Mario. Williams would make it better but no one laid down. KJ did not cost a TD (I don't think). He had the holding call but that can happen. He was only beat once I saw and that turned out to be Manning's not helping at least what announcer said. I never got a clear picture of the play.

Offense looked better than I expected. I was worried about Briesel's ankle but did not seem to effect him much. A TE cost us a sack that hurt Matt and Schaub took a beating all game but hung in there. We need to get a QB soon to prepare to take over for Matt eventually. That may be Yates but difficult to say now. Positive upside is our recieving corps looked pretty good and we will be alright especially when AJ returns.

Jacoby was outstanding imo and all I can hope for is to see more of it. He is so inconsistent. THis game impressed me as I believe the team played four quarters and I wanted to see that. We are gonna be limping against you know who next week.

I'm with you on the first paragraph. Then you lost me. Everyone keeps telling me what a great offense the Texans have, and I even fall into the trap of thinking they're good sometimes. But when it really matters, when everyone doubts them, they confirm the doubts. They're good enough to show some stats after the game, but not good enough to dictate the pace of the game or even win most of the time .... or even half the time, if you count the last few years, or even five years.

Kubiak is a mediocre head coach and has built a mediocre team.

Vinny
10-16-2011, 06:50 PM
First, I know it was a loss but didn't most of us expect it? I was very impressed with the overall defense. Reed, Barwin, Smith were excellent. I did not focus on Watt and don't remember him doing much, maybe someone else can help me out? ALso Demeco, I saw hoim make one good tackle but didn't impact game that I saw. Cushing was a man possessed and no one should say anything about this D without Mario. Williams would make it better but no one laid down. KJ did not cost a TD (I don't think). He had the holding call but that can happen. He was only beat once I saw and that turned out to be Manning's not helping at least what announcer said. I never got a clear picture of the play.

Offense looked better than I expected. I was worried about Briesel's ankle but did not seem to effect him much. A TE cost us a sack that hurt Matt and Schaub took a beating all game but hung in there. We need to get a QB soon to prepare to take over for Matt eventually. That may be Yates but difficult to say now. Positive upside is our recieving corps looked pretty good and we will be alright especially when AJ returns.

Jacoby was outstanding imo and all I can hope for is to see more of it. He is so inconsistent. THis game impressed me as I believe the team played four quarters and I wanted to see that. We are gonna be limping against you know who next week.
prolly?

I think I'll respond text style: txns r awsom!

ATXtexanfan
10-16-2011, 06:51 PM
First, I know it was a loss but didn't most of us expect it? I was very impressed with the overall defense. Reed, Barwin, Smith were excellent. I did not focus on Watt and don't remember him doing much, maybe someone else can help me out? ALso Demeco, I saw hoim make one good tackle but didn't impact game that I saw. Cushing was a man possessed and no one should say anything about this D without Mario. Williams would make it better but no one laid down. KJ did not cost a TD (I don't think). He had the holding call but that can happen. He was only beat once I saw and that turned out to be Manning's not helping at least what announcer said. I never got a clear picture of the play.

Offense looked better than I expected. I was worried about Briesel's ankle but did not seem to effect him much. A TE cost us a sack that hurt Matt and Schaub took a beating all game but hung in there. We need to get a QB soon to prepare to take over for Matt eventually. That may be Yates but difficult to say now. Positive upside is our recieving corps looked pretty good and we will be alright especially when AJ returns.

Jacoby was outstanding imo and all I can hope for is to see more of it. He is so inconsistent. THis game impressed me as I believe the team played four quarters and I wanted to see that. We are gonna be limping against you know who next week.

did we win, i got pee wee football to feel good about

houstonspartan
10-16-2011, 06:52 PM
Ah, yes. The "moral victory" argument.

Yay, stats!

badboy
10-16-2011, 06:53 PM
The offense managed 14 points, and that was better than you expected? Were you expecting a shut out? And they played 4 quarters? Ummmm, I guess technically they did, but if you mean they actually completed a game and didn't go mentally soft, I guess we'll have a disagreement there.Prior to the game how many points did you expect? I was expecting maybe 17. We were playing a good defense without Superman. Where did you se more than a play or two where player went soft?

LikeMike
10-16-2011, 06:59 PM
The D played outstanding - the O didn`t. At one point this season our running game lost a step or 2. Schaub has a tendency to always be a tad off - a little high, little low... good WRs still catch those, but forget yards after catch if the ball is underthrown or overthrown.

This loss is not that bad - since it was one of the toughest games we play all season. With AJ back (hopefelly next week) this offense will be a lot more potent again. We should make the playoffs this year - but this is still a boderline-team. We just can`t overcome injuries to majory players.

Showtime100
10-16-2011, 07:01 PM
prolly?

I think I'll respond text style: txns r awsom!

bet me 2 it, dam

fiasco west
10-16-2011, 07:02 PM
The D played outstanding - the O didn`t. At one point this season our running game lost a step or 2. Schaub has a tendency to always be a tad off - a little high, little low... good WRs still catch those, but forget yards after catch if the ball is underthrown or overthrown.

This loss is not that bad - since it was one of the toughest games we play all season. With AJ back (hopefelly next week) this offense will be a lot more potent again. We should make the playoffs this year - but this is still a boderline-team. We just can`t overcome injuries to majory players.

Much less to our best player. I know people always bring up the Packers but they actually kept their best player on the field.

Vinny
10-16-2011, 07:04 PM
Prior to the game how many points did you expect? I was expecting maybe 17. We were playing a good defense without Superman. Where did you se more than a play or two where player went soft?
AJ is a great receiver but superman he ain't. Teams can win without their best players. Heck, one of my best memories of the Oilers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0j4UN2HsoU) was when we lost Pastorini, Burroughs and Earl Campbell and beat a really, really good Charger team in the playoffs in 79. All this rationalization and sunshine pumping is kinda pathetic if you ask me...but since your not asking I'll just add that to the end of this post.

playa465
10-16-2011, 07:06 PM
Our D has played well enough for us to win games that we have loss...but I expect more from the offense...its tough to run on the Ravens, so you spread them out b/c they are not all that against the pass...I expected OD, Walter and whatever RB to spread the field underneath with JJ stretching the field. It happened a couple of times...I also understand that you have to run in order to keep defenses honest...the offense just doesn't seem to have that fire, the game had 4 or less minutes left and they were still acting like it was at leaset twice as much time left...go no huddle, change the pace, manage the freakin game!!!!

badboy
10-16-2011, 07:07 PM
I'm with you on the first paragraph. Then you lost me. Everyone keeps telling me what a great offense the Texans have, and I even fall into the trap of thinking they're good sometimes. But when it really matters, when everyone doubts them, they confirm the doubts. They're good enough to show some stats after the game, but not good enough to dictate the pace of the game or even win most of the time .... or even half the time, if you count the last few years, or even five years.

Kubiak is a mediocre head coach and has built a mediocre team.Did you notrice I did not mention coach? Identify what you realistically expected to see from our O. without AJ. JJ was spectacular imo. OD and Walter did what I wanted. The oline could have been better but the opponent's defense was very good. Take emotion out of it and tell me what you saw? I think playcalling could have been much better and used the RBs a bit better.

thunderkyss
10-16-2011, 07:08 PM
KJ did not cost a TD (I don't think). He had the holding call but that can happen. He was only beat once I saw and that turned out to be Manning's not helping at least what announcer said. I never got a clear picture of the play.


Can't blame Manning on that one. It was man coverage, Manning was on the TE that took the out route. KJ has to stay on top of that man, that's why he plays so far off the line. There's no excuse for him to let that receiver to get behind him like that.

I think we also blitzed on that play & the blitz didn't get there. But KJ has to be on top on that play.


I thought Demeco had a hell of a game, he's still not 100%, but he's getting there.

badboy
10-16-2011, 07:09 PM
prolly?

I think I'll respond text style: txns r awsom!U kidr u! I wanted to get all into the title I could to attract attention. I hate texting, u no?

Porky
10-16-2011, 07:11 PM
Prior to the game how many points did you expect? I was expecting maybe 17. We were playing a good defense without Superman. Where did you se more than a play or two where player went soft?

Last year against the same D they did a tad better. It was the D that stunk. This year the D played pretty well overall, especially in the red zone, but the O didn't show up for the most part.

The soft comment refers to the mental part of the game. This team doesn't exhibit any mental fortitude at all. And while I expected a loss, it would be nice if this team could surprise me.... just once by beating a damn good team on the road under less than ideal circumstances.

If anyone is old enough to remember - I harken back to the days of Bum when he took his beat up team on the road in a playoff game against SD and he had to play Gifford "milk shake" Nielson for crying out loud. He had no Earl either and had other players out or hurt. Yet, that team was as mentally tough as a bucket of nails, and they willed their way to a W under incredible odds.

This team is about as mentally tough as the offspring of the Pillsbury Dough Boy and the Stay Puft Marshmallow man.

Rey
10-16-2011, 07:15 PM
Can't blame Manning on that one. It was man coverage, Manning was on the TE that took the out route. KJ has to stay on top of that man, that's why he plays so far off the line. There's no excuse for him to let that receiver to get behind him like that.

I think we also blitzed on that play & the blitz didn't get there. But KJ has to be on top on that play.


I thought Demeco had a hell of a game, he's still not 100%, but he's getting there.

Yep.

Manning was man up on the te, the lb was in zone. Manning went with the out route, kj got roasted. . . Again. . .

Texan Asylum
10-16-2011, 07:15 PM
AJ is a great receiver but superman he ain't. Teams can win without their best players. Heck, one of my best memories of the Oilers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0j4UN2HsoU) was when we lost Pastorini, Burroughs and Earl Campbell and beat a really, really good Charger team in the playoffs in 79. All this rationalization and sunshine pumping is kinda pathetic if you ask me...but since your not asking I'll just add that to the end of this post.

"Gotta spread the love..."

Props to you Vin for the Oiler memory.

badboy
10-16-2011, 07:16 PM
did we win, i got pee wee football to feel good aboutThen go watch it if a W is all you want. I do realize that we all are motivated differently. Sometimes the boy doesn't get the girl and I am ok with that if he did all he could. If you follow my posts you know I am not a koolaide guy or debby downer ( think those are the terms used.) I want to see good football against a quality opponent. Do you really think we would have lost to them if we had AJ and Mario? We are not that deep yet.

eriadoc
10-16-2011, 07:19 PM
Did you notrice I did not mention coach? Identify what you realistically expected to see from our O. without AJ. JJ was spectacular imo. OD and Walter did what I wanted. The oline could have been better but the opponent's defense was very good. Take emotion out of it and tell me what you saw? I think playcalling could have been much better and used the RBs a bit better.

Realistically? You want realism? LOL OK.

Frankly, about the only emotion I feel is resignation. What I saw today is just about exactly what I expected to see. An OL that would struggle to protect against a tough Ravens pass rush, a QB that has inadequate poise and pocket awareness, a running game that would struggle with no AJ to keep the safeties honest, and a coach that would fail to come up with a plan to overcome the loss of AJ.

Going forward, I expect to see a rebound game with some fire against the Tacks, and the sunshine club here to come out shining. I expect a follow-up win at JAX. I expect a 5-5 record going into the bye. I expect a 97 record to end the season. I expect a demoralizing playoff loss. I expect an extension for Gary Kubiak, and I expect that AJ will retire without a Super Bowl appearance unless he leaves here.

I also expect to watch every single play in frustration and disgust. But I figure after giving the Astros over 35 years of dedication with nothing to show for it, I may as well suffer through the same with the Texans. At least it's football.

ObsiWan
10-16-2011, 07:20 PM
First, I know it was a loss but didn't most of us expect it? I was very impressed with the overall defense. Reed, Barwin, Smith were excellent. I did not focus on Watt and don't remember him doing much, maybe someone else can help me out? ALso Demeco, I saw hoim make one good tackle but didn't impact game that I saw. Cushing was a man possessed and no one should say anything about this D without Mario. Williams would make it better but no one laid down. KJ did not cost a TD (I don't think). He had the holding call but that can happen. He was only beat once I saw and that turned out to be Manning's not helping at least what announcer said. I never got a clear picture of the play.

Offense looked better than I expected. I was worried about Briesel's ankle but did not seem to effect him much. A TE cost us a sack that hurt Matt and Schaub took a beating all game but hung in there. We need to get a QB soon to prepare to take over for Matt eventually. That may be Yates but difficult to say now. Positive upside is our recieving corps looked pretty good and we will be alright especially when AJ returns.

Jacoby was outstanding imo and all I can hope for is to see more of it. He is so inconsistent. THis game impressed me as I believe the team played four quarters and I wanted to see that. We are gonna be limping against you know who next week.

The D played outstanding - the O didn`t. At one point this season our running game lost a step or 2. Schaub has a tendency to always be a tad off - a little high, little low... good WRs still catch those, but forget yards after catch if the ball is underthrown or overthrown.

This loss is not that bad - since it was one of the toughest games we play all season. With AJ back (hopefelly next week) this offense will be a lot more potent again. We should make the playoffs this year - but this is still a boderline-team. We just can`t overcome injuries to majory players.

I'm with you guys.
:handshake:
I saw some good in today's game, especially from the defense. Offensively, I'm not too surprised that the running game was diminished today. If I was the Ravens, knowing I didn't have to worry about Andre Johnson, that would have been my focus - do NOT let Foster get rolling. And that's what they did.

Vinny
10-16-2011, 07:20 PM
Do you really think we would have lost to them if we had AJ and Mario? We are not that deep yet.yes, you do know that Kubiak is 1-miserable against winning teams right? No past record indicating we should just assume a win, full roster or not.

Nawzer
10-16-2011, 07:21 PM
I was expecting a loss and we lost. That should tell you a lot about the Texans.

badboy
10-16-2011, 07:23 PM
AJ is a great receiver but superman he ain't. Teams can win without their best players. Heck, one of my best memories of the Oilers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0j4UN2HsoU) was when we lost Pastorini, Burroughs and Earl Campbell and beat a really, really good Charger team in the playoffs in 79. All this rationalization and sunshine pumping is kinda pathetic if you ask me...but since your not asking I'll just add that to the end of this post.Vinny, I expect more out of you than calling me a sunshine pumper. Give specific players and plays that were atrocious. That Chargewr game was a jewel wasn't it? How many ties do you se that type of play from lower end players?

That team had Bum and we have Wade and only for 6 games. Let's give him a bit longer on his side of ball.

Rey
10-16-2011, 07:23 PM
Realistically? You want realism? LOL OK.

Frankly, about the only emotion I feel is resignation. What I saw today is just about exactly what I expected to see. An OL that would struggle to protect against a tough Ravens pass rush, a QB that has inadequate poise and pocket awareness, a running game that would struggle with no AJ to keep the safeties honest, and a coach that would fail to come up with a plan to overcome the loss of AJ.

Going forward, I expect to see a rebound game with some fire against the Tacks, and the sunshine club here to come out shining. I expect a follow-up win at JAX. I expect a 5-5 record going into the bye. I expect a 97 record to end the season. I expect a demoralizing playoff loss. I expect an extension for Gary Kubiak, and I expect that AJ will retire without a Super Bowl appearance unless he leaves here.

I also expect to watch every single play in frustration and disgust. But I figure after giving the Astros over 35 years of dedication with nothing to show for it, I may as well suffer through the same with the Texans. At least it's football.

Lol, would rep you if I wasn't on tapatalk.

Dutchrudder
10-16-2011, 07:25 PM
The Ravens were simply a better team on both sides of the ball. Our D put us in position to win this game, but the offense didn't come through. I was really impressed with the d-line play despite not having MW back there. I think this team is going to have a real tough decision in the offseason on who to franchise tag. MW or Foster? I'm thinking Foster at this point...

badboy
10-16-2011, 07:29 PM
Can't blame Manning on that one. It was man coverage, Manning was on the TE that took the out route. KJ has to stay on top of that man, that's why he plays so far off the line. There's no excuse for him to let that receiver to get behind him like that.

I think we also blitzed on that play & the blitz didn't get there. But KJ has to be on top on that play.


I thought Demeco had a hell of a game, he's still not 100%, but he's getting there.Thanks for input as I did not see the play.

Vinny
10-16-2011, 07:29 PM
Vinny, I expect more out of you than calling me a sunshine pumper. Give specific players and plays that were atrocious. That Chargewr game was a jewel wasn't it? How many ties do you se that type of play from lower end players?

That team had Bum and we have Wade and only for 6 games. Let's give him a bit longer on his side of ball.you should expect me to speak my mind. Hate to say it pards, but you are a sunshine pumper. You were the guy who wanted the Texans to counter the Al Davis death with some low class moment for AJ (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1796150&postcount=1). That's a homer moment, and this thread is all about pumping that sunshine. Don't be ashamed. You is what you be. It's not like I'm calling you a nazi or anything. :aggressive:

badboy
10-16-2011, 07:33 PM
Last year against the same D they did a tad better. It was the D that stunk. This year the D played pretty well overall, especially in the red zone, but the O didn't show up for the most part.

The soft comment refers to the mental part of the game. This team doesn't exhibit any mental fortitude at all. And while I expected a loss, it would be nice if this team could surprise me.... just once by beating a damn good team on the road under less than ideal circumstances.

If anyone is old enough to remember - I harken back to the days of Bum when he took his beat up team on the road in a playoff game against SD and he had to play Gifford "milk shake" Nielson for crying out loud. He had no Earl either and had other players out or hurt. Yet, that team was as mentally tough as a bucket of nails, and they willed their way to a W under incredible odds.

This team is about as mentally tough as the offspring of the Pillsbury Dough Boy and the Stay Puft Marshmallow man.This comes down to Wade versus Gary imo. I pick Wade.

ObsiWan
10-16-2011, 07:37 PM
AJ is a great receiver but superman he ain't. Teams can win without their best players. Heck, one of my best memories of the Oilers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0j4UN2HsoU) was when we lost Pastorini, Burroughs and Earl Campbell and beat a really, really good Charger team in the playoffs in 79. All this rationalization and sunshine pumping is kinda pathetic if you ask me...but since your not asking I'll just add that to the end of this post.

I remember that game too. We caught Dan Fouts on an off day and picked off him five times to steal that win.

badboy
10-16-2011, 07:39 PM
yes, you do know that Kubiak is 1-miserable against winning teams right? No past record indicating we should just assume a win, full roster or not.I do not focus much on those 1-18 thinggys. I look at what happened in the game and try to project how the best offensive player and one of the better defensive players being in this game would have changed it.

badboy
10-16-2011, 07:53 PM
The Ravens were simply a better team on both sides of the ball. Our D put us in position to win this game, but the offense didn't come through. I was really impressed with the d-line play despite not having MW back there. I think this team is going to have a real tough decision in the offseason on who to franchise tag. MW or Foster? I'm thinking Foster at this point...Mario can be tagged but I don't think Foster can. A player has to have four years with team I beleive and he does not. Foster remains a player with Texans and cannot negotiate with other teams unless Texans allow. Infantrycak, Hook'em and others probably can answer this.

badboy
10-16-2011, 07:55 PM
you should expect me to speak my mind. Hate to say it pards, but you are a sunshine pumper. You were the guy who wanted the Texans to counter the Al Davis death with some low class moment for AJ (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1796150&postcount=1). That's a homer moment, and this thread is all about pumping that sunshine. Don't be ashamed. You is what you be. It's not like I'm calling you a nazi or anything. :aggressive:
Yes you are! Yes you are! lol

Dishman
10-16-2011, 08:05 PM
I do not focus much on those 1-18 thinggys. I look at what happened in the game and try to project how the best offensive player and one of the better defensive players being in this game would have changed it.

It sounds as if you'd rather live in some fantasy what-if land than face what this team is; pathetic against winning football teams.

srrono
10-16-2011, 08:06 PM
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=we+suck+again&view=detail&mid=4D9C7DD1E8813E47D36E4D9C7DD1E8813E47D36E&first=0&FORM=LKVR2

badboy
10-16-2011, 09:54 PM
It sounds as if you'd rather live in some fantasy what-if land than face what this team is; pathetic against winning football teams.It sounds like you throw salt over your shoulder, avoid black cats and wear "good luck talismans". Stats are an indicator of what has happened not necessarily what will occur. Some harvest them. I do not choose to.

Vinny
10-16-2011, 10:16 PM
yes, you do know that Kubiak is 1-miserable against winning teams right? No past record indicating we should just assume a win, full roster or not.

I do not focus much on those 1-18 thinggys. you are right not to focus on reality. It's an easier plan than sincere reflection I guess.

I look at what happened in the game and try to project how the best offensive player and one of the better defensive players being in this game would have changed it.We'd have lost by only 7?

Surreal McCoy
10-16-2011, 10:19 PM
AJ is a great receiver but superman he ain't. Teams can win without their best players. Heck, one of my best memories of the Oilers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0j4UN2HsoU) was when we lost Pastorini, Burroughs and Earl Campbell and beat a really, really good Charger team in the playoffs in 79. All this rationalization and sunshine pumping is kinda pathetic if you ask me...but since your not asking I'll just add that to the end of this post.

A one off game. Great try though, I mean, that's really comparable to a full season.

TexansFanatic
10-16-2011, 10:26 PM
I remember that game too. We caught Dan Fouts on an off day and picked off him five times to steal that win.

Not exactly.

The truth is the Oilers coaches figured out how to steal the Chargers' offensive plays as they were being called in from the sidelines.

The Oilers defense knew the Chargers plays before the ball was snapped.

I think Vernon Perry still holds a personal playoff record with 4 interceptions in a playoff victory.

Some folks call that cheating.

I had no complaints that day.

Surreal McCoy
10-16-2011, 10:30 PM
Not exactly.

The truth is the Oilers coaches figured out how to steal the Chargers' offensive plays as they were being called in from the sidelines.

The Oilers defense knew the Chargers plays before the ball was snapped.

I think Vernon Perry still holds a personal playoff record with 4 interceptions in a playoff victory.

Some folks call that cheating.

I had no complaints that day.

Damn, don't ruin it for Vinny! Now his underdog heroes have been exposed as cheats, oh dear...

Vinny
10-16-2011, 10:36 PM
A one off game. Great try though, I mean, that's really comparable to a full season.
that's called an example Einstein. There are countless examples of teams winning while their better or best players are down. This is the only team sport with 22 men on the field of play at once. One player is important, but it's not like losing a key player on a 5 player basketball team.

Surreal McCoy
10-16-2011, 10:37 PM
that's called an example Einstein. There are countless examples of teams winning while their better or best players are down. This is the only team sport with 22 men on the field of play at once. One player is important, but it's not like losing a key player on a 5 player basketball team.

Sincerely, the 2011 Indianapolis Colts

Vinny
10-16-2011, 10:39 PM
Damn, don't ruin it for Vinny! Now his underdog heroes have been exposed as cheats, oh dear...
I know more about the NFL and the NFL past than you probably think. I've been going to games since the 70's and I actually moved to Nashville with the Oilers back in the day due to my work. I'm sure you can't help your naive disposition, so I won't hold it against you.

HoustonFrog
10-16-2011, 10:41 PM
Sincerely, the 2011 Indianapolis Colts

What about multiple key players and winning a SB...

Signed
2010 Green Bay Packers

No excuses. As this stage, they should have had other guys in place for this dilemma or at least to keep it from getting to this. You knew AJ was important for years so you build depth. They haven't.

Vinny
10-16-2011, 10:43 PM
Sincerely, the 2011 Indianapolis Colts
you know, the Dolphins actually won the Super Bowl with a back up quarterback right? HOF'er Bob Griese's ankle was broken in Week 5 and they went on to go undefeated. There are hundreds of examples, but you are too smart and cute to open your eyes. Keep taking the blue pill. It suits you.

Rey
10-16-2011, 10:46 PM
Sincerely, the 2011 Indianapolis Colts

Wed have to have a player of mannings caliber to lose a player of mannings caliber.

Since we don't have one of those I dont get the comparison.

And losing manning isn't exactly an excuse for how bad the colts are either.

Shaft75
10-16-2011, 10:54 PM
This might be a WTF for some of you, but didn't it seem like our guys quit on that last drive? Didn't it also seem like the coach did too with calling a running play on 4th down when we were down by two scores? Just threw in the towel.

Maybe all of the failed 4th quarter comebacks are starting to really effect the teams psyche. What ever happened to leaving it all on the field?

EllisUnit
10-16-2011, 10:59 PM
Yep.

Manning was man up on the te, the lb was in zone. Manning went with the out route, kj got roasted. . . Again. . .

did anyone see allen, i mean even one play ??? He atleast gets us a turnover more times than not.

Surreal McCoy
10-16-2011, 11:02 PM
There are hundreds of examples...

Grasping. Straws. At.

Make a sentence including those three words. And by the way, I must admit being well impressed with your move to Nashville.

As for the 2010 Packers, they certainly didn't lose anyone near the importance of AJ or Mario. but of course, that's not the point...

ObsiWan
10-16-2011, 11:09 PM
What about multiple key players and winning a SB...

Signed
2010 Green Bay Packers

No excuses. As this stage, they should have had other guys in place for this dilemma or at least to keep it from getting to this. You knew AJ was important for years so you build depth. They haven't.

Again, they didn't win their division and they got all those "key players" back in time for their playoff run.

Tell the whole story.

Rey
10-16-2011, 11:09 PM
did anyone see allen, i mean even one play ??? He atleast gets us a turnover more times than not.

Allen played a little. Really we just need a real player over there. Neither one are all that.

Rey
10-16-2011, 11:13 PM
Again, they didn't win their division and they got all those "key players" back in time for their playoff run.

Tell the whole story.

What?

Barnett, Finley, and their number one rb were season ending.

Woodson got hurt in the game.

One of their starting corners is out now or has missed time.

But besides that, it doesn't matter because it's not like we've been beast when everyone is healthy.

We lose games with guys healthy.

80tothezone
10-16-2011, 11:22 PM
The D played outstanding - the O didn`t. At one point this season our running game lost a step or 2. Schaub has a tendency to always be a tad off - a little high, little low... good WRs still catch those, but forget yards after catch if the ball is underthrown or overthrown.

This loss is not that bad - since it was one of the toughest games we play all season. With AJ back (hopefelly next week) this offense will be a lot more potent again. We should make the playoffs this year - but this is still a boderline-team. We just can`t overcome injuries to majory players.

i can pinpoint the exact point where our run game lost a step... remember that play when that guy who catches a ball or two went to the ground screaming in pain? It was that point Andre is that good and not having him does hurt us a lot. I think maybe if we had had DM in the system a couple more weeks we would have done a little better might even have won but no 80 no real deep threat and they cheat the safeties up a lil which makes em better against the run

Doppelganger
10-16-2011, 11:23 PM
The D played outstanding - the O didn`t. At one point this season our running game lost a step or 2. Schaub has a tendency to always be a tad off - a little high, little low... good WRs still catch those, but forget yards after catch if the ball is underthrown or overthrown.

This loss is not that bad - since it was one of the toughest games we play all season. With AJ back (hopefelly next week) this offense will be a lot more potent again. We should make the playoffs this year - but this is still a boderline-team. We just can`t overcome injuries to majory players.

I think our running game lost a step when we allowed Leach to sign elsewhere. Having a big bruising FB to clear lanes makes a difference. Everyone has said how great it would be to have Leach becuase he could slip out the door and be a viable passing option. Problem is he wasn't actually used very much as a passing option. He had three catches for about 30 yards against Indy, 0 catches against Miami, 1 catch for 8 yds against Pitt, and 0 catches against Oakland. He had 1 outstanding game of 5 catches for 126 yards and a td against the Saints. Problem is he is not as good of a blocker as Leach. He has been targeted so infrequently that when he peels out to be a receiver the D doesn't concern itself with him.

Htown lost A LOT more when they let leach go than they are willing to admit. Vickers has been a bust as a blocker. Hopefully the Texans draft or sign a bulldozer FB in the offseason.

ObsiWan
10-16-2011, 11:25 PM
What?

Barnett, Finley, and their number one rb were season ending.

Woodson got hurt in the game.

One of their starting corners is out now or has missed time.

But besides that, it doesn't matter because it's not like we've been beast when everyone is healthy.

We lose games with guys healthy.

With the possible exception of Woodson, none of those guys are as important to their team as Mario or Andre are to the Texans. And as you said, Woodson played and used his injury to inspire his teammates for the second half of that game.

They run their offense through Rodgers and we don't have a QB of his caliber.

Think about it' the only time this year we've had everyone healthy on offense was the first half of the Steelers' game, then Andre went down.

Rey
10-16-2011, 11:32 PM
With the possible exception of Woodson, none of those guys are as important to their team as Mario or Andre are to the Texans. And as you said, Woodson played and used his injury to inspire his teammates for the second half of that game.

They run their offense through Rodgers and we don't have a QB of his caliber.

Think about it' the only time this year we've had everyone healthy on offense was the first half of the Steelers' game, then Andre went down.

Whatever dude.

I had typed a nice response but decided it's pointless. Folks are going to view how they want to.

I guess since Mario and aj are out we should expect to lose games or should we just expect to lose games regardless. I getz confusedz.

ObsiWan
10-17-2011, 12:04 AM
Whatever dude.

I had typed a nice response but decided it's pointless. Folks are going to view how they want to.

I guess since Mario and aj are out we should expect to lose games or should we just expect to lose games regardless. I getz confusedz.

No, that's not what I'm saying. But when you go up against the best defense in the league - in their house - without your best weapon I'm not terribly surprised that we came up short. The Ravens did what they needed to do, shut down Arian Foster - did you notice how they swarmed to him when ever he got the ball - and take away O.D.

So no, I'm not surprised we lost today. Disappointed? Of course. But not surprised. Because the cold, hard truth is, they're just freakin' BETTER than we are. Anyone that doesn't realize that is borderline delusional. They're a playoff fixture. We have yet see the playoffs. What other proof do you need?

We faced the toughest team we should see the rest of the way and we came up short. Now honestly, back in August when we were making preseason predictions, did you really think this was a win? I didn't.

As far as expectations are concern, I expect us to win 3 out of the next 4 games - with a little luck, maybe all 4.

We'll see.

Rey
10-17-2011, 12:17 AM
No, that's not what I'm saying. But when you go up against the best defense in the league - in their house - without your best weapon I'm not terribly surprised that we came up short. The Ravens did what they needed to do, shut down Arian Foster - did you notice how they swarmed to him when ever he got the ball - and take away O.D.

So no, I'm not surprised we lost today. Disappointed? Of course. But not surprised. Because the cold, hard truth is, they're just freakin' BETTER than we are. Anyone that doesn't realize that is borderline delusional. They're a playoff fixture. We have yet see the playoffs. What other proof do you need?

We faced the toughest team we should see the rest of the way and we came up short. Now honestly, back in August when we were making preseason predictions, did you really think this was a win? I didn't.

As far as expectations are concern, I expect us to win 3 out of the next 4 games - with a little luck, maybe all 4.

We'll see.

You seem to think the criticism the team is receiving tonight is based off of this one game. Silly obsi.

The texans lost at home to the raiders last week in pathetic fashion. This offense has not lived up to it's billing despite pretty good defensive play overall. This team has played like a second rate football team since it's existence.

But since we had injuries today and were going against a good team I guess none of that matters.

Never mind any other pieces of information we have to judge the team. We had injuries so I guess that is the trump card.

I guess they just get an atta boy and maybe a cookie (kids like those right?) since they played hard today despite their injured players.

The fact that I was expecting a loss is not a good thing. Seems like you are ok heading into games conceding that the other team is "just freaking better". I'm not.

ObsiWan
10-17-2011, 01:00 AM
You seem to think the criticism the team is receiving tonight is based off of this one game. Silly obsi.

The texans lost at home to the raiders last week in pathetic fashion. This offense has not lived up to it's billing despite pretty good defensive play overall. This team has played like a second rate football team since it's existence.

But since we had injuries today and were going against a good team I guess none of that matters.

Never mind any other pieces of information we have to judge the team. We had injuries so I guess that is the trump card.

I guess they just get an atta boy and maybe a cookie (kids like those right?) since they played hard today despite their injured players.

The fact that I was expecting a loss is not a good thing. Seems like you are ok heading into games conceding that the other team is "just freaking better". I'm not.

Understanding why we lost and being "ok with it" are two different things. I never said I was "ok with it" but I understand why. So I refuse to whine about something I saw coming months ago. And for the record, I'm much more disgusted with last week's loss than I am this one.

I'm more interested in what we can do to get better than I am about whining. For instance, Brandon Lloyd is on the trading block, would you give up a 3rd or 4th round pick for him. If I were Smithiak, I'd think hard about it.

Vinny
10-17-2011, 01:05 AM
Understanding why we lost and being "ok with it" are two different things. I never said I was "ok with it" but I understand why. So I refuse to whine about something I saw coming months ago. And for the record, I'm much more disgusted with last week's loss than I am this one.

I'm more interested in what we can do to get better than I am about whining. For instance, Brandon Lloyd is on the trading block, would you give up a 3rd or 4th round pick for him. If I were Smithiak, I'd think hard about it.
when you overspend on Walter and JJ....you probably can't make that move since one would think they have to sell McNair on the concept that we made a mistake overpaying (let's be honest here) these pretty average wr's. I don't know what kind of contract he has to swallow with Mason, but they seem to have more money than talent at these positions.

ObsiWan
10-17-2011, 01:36 AM
when you overspend on Walter and JJ....you probably can't make that move since one would think they have to sell McNair on the concept that we made a mistake overpaying (let's be honest here) these pretty average wr's. I don't know what kind of contract he has to swallow with Mason, but they seem to have more money than talent at these positions.

I threw that out there because that's the only way I see us upgrading the WR position at this point in time. If you - or anyone for that matter - have other suggestions, I'm all ears.

ObsiWan
10-17-2011, 01:49 AM
you know, the Dolphins actually won the Super Bowl with a back up quarterback right? HOF'er Bob Griese's ankle was broken in Week 5 and they went on to go undefeated. There are hundreds of examples, but you are too smart and cute to open your eyes. Keep taking the blue pill. It suits you.

That team won with a stud defense (#1 in the league that year) and running the ball with two 1000-yd rushers in Czonka and Mercury Morris. Their ground game produced 26 TDs while their air attack only produced 17. Their defense held opponents to 18 TDs TOTAL.

They didn't depend on their QB to make plays like teams in this modern day NFL do. Way different times.

Vinny
10-17-2011, 01:53 AM
I threw that out there because that's the only way I see us upgrading the WR position at this point in time. If you - or anyone for that matter - have other suggestions, I'm all ears.
the time to do that was the offseason. Lloyd is also a free agent after this season and will want to be paid more than Jones or Walter. How much do you give up for a 10 game rental?

Vinny
10-17-2011, 01:54 AM
That team won with a stud defense (#1 in the league that year) and running the ball with two 1000-yd rushers in Czonka and Mercury Morris. Their ground game produced 26 TDs while their air attack only produced 17. Their defense held opponents to 18 TDs TOTAL.

They didn't depend on their QB to make plays like teams in this modern day NFL do. Way different times.totally missing the point. I could have made this case a hundred different ways. Point was that teams overcome the loss of HALL OF FAME players and win...happens all the time and has been happening for decades in this league. All this crybaby stuff about not winning because of injuries is weak sauce.

imatexan
10-17-2011, 02:06 AM
totally missing the point. I could have made this case a hundred different ways. POINT WAS that teams overcome the loss of HALL OF FAME players and win...happens all the time and has been happening for decades in this league. All this crybaby stuff about not winning because of injuries is weak sauce.

Honestly didn't read the rest of the thread so could be wrong about what you are saying but from this quote I would have to disagree.

Yes good teams overcome injuries but do good teams overcome injuries of their best players on both sides of the ball/the team leaders against a better team on the road?

I am upset we lost because of how we fell apart in the second half after being only 3 down but did anyone really think that we were going into Balt without AJ and MW and winning?
I sure did not, I hoped and it is any given sunday but chances are slim, The Ravens are a very good football team and being on the road without our best players plus the Ravens matching up well against the Texans equals a loss in most cases.

Even if we had AJ in the lineup I think it would have changed the game and gave us a better chance to win but I still would say that The Ravens on the road is the toughest game we will play all year(in our case more tough than the Saints).

Vinny
10-17-2011, 02:19 AM
Honestly didn't read the rest of the thread so could be wrong about what you are saying but from this quote I would have to disagree.

Yes good teams overcome injuries but do good teams overcome injuries of their best players on both sides of the ball/the team leaders against a better team on the road?

I am upset we lost because of how we fell apart in the second half after being inly 3 down but did anyone really think that we were going into Balt without AJ and MW and winning?
I sure did not, I hoped and it is any given sunday but chances are slim, The Ravens are a very good football team and being on the road without our best players plus the Ravens matching up well against the Texans equals a loss in most cases.

Even if we had AJ in the lineup I think it would have changed the game and gave us a better chance to win but I still would say that The Ravens on the road is the toughest game we will play all year(in our case more tough than the Saints).
Sure, I gave a few examples here and in other threads.....but heck, the Bengals started the season needing to replace a Pro Bowl QB and WR. They start a rookie QB, and a rookie WR but someone from Houston forgot to tell them they are supposed to lose now. I could go on and on and give endless examples of teams replacing or losing their marquee players....but I guess we should have forfeited the game since this was AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK!!!!11111!

the bar is awfully low around here.

80tothezone
10-17-2011, 02:25 AM
You seem to think the criticism the team is receiving tonight is based off of this one game. Silly obsi.

The texans lost at home to the raiders last week in pathetic fashion. This offense has not lived up to it's billing despite pretty good defensive play overall. This team has played like a second rate football team since it's existence.

But since we had injuries today and were going against a good team I guess none of that matters.

Never mind any other pieces of information we have to judge the team. We had injuries so I guess that is the trump card.

I guess they just get an atta boy and maybe a cookie (kids like those right?) since they played hard today despite their injured players.

The fact that I was expecting a loss is not a good thing. Seems like you are ok heading into games conceding that the other team is "just freaking better". I'm not.

i get all that but ya got to be realistic. i mean i would love to be able to go into a season and pick us going 16-0, but that just aint gonna happen. The oakland game was a bad loss but good even great teams lose games games they should win... Baltimore lost to that titans, it happens. We need to be realistic we are not the patriots we are heading that way maybe ,only time will tell. Before everyone says"time has already told" and posts our records from the past 10 yrs. This is not any of those years, we might be seeing some similar problems but all is not nearly lost.

SAMURAITEXAN
10-17-2011, 03:23 AM
AJ is a great receiver but superman he ain't. Teams can win without their best players. Heck, one of my best memories of the Oilers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0j4UN2HsoU) was when we lost Pastorini, Burroughs and Earl Campbell and beat a really, really good Charger team in the playoffs in 79. All this rationalization and sunshine pumping is kinda pathetic if you ask me...but since your not asking I'll just add that to the end of this post.

Isn't that the time Rob Carpenter was crawling back to huddle and Nielsen was QB?

Go Texans!!!

HoustonFrog
10-17-2011, 09:17 AM
Sure, I gave a few examples here and in other threads.....but heck, the Bengals started the season needing to replace a Pro Bowl QB and WR. They start a rookie QB, and a rookie WR but someone from Houston forgot to tell them they are supposed to lose now. I could go on and on and give endless examples of teams replacing or losing their marquee players....but I guess we should have forfeited the game since this was AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK!!!!11111!

the bar is awfully low around here.

The sad part about all of this Vinny is that the minute the AJ and Mario injuries happened my first thoughts were "well there are the 2 built in excuses for Bob to keep Kubes when things go wrong." It is really a messed Up mentality to always have excuses while the Bills, Lions, Bengals and others are all of a sudden Up and coming.

Vinny
10-17-2011, 09:21 AM
The sad part about all of this Vinny is that the minute the AJ and Mario injuries happened my first thoughts were "well there are the 2 built in excuses for Bob to keep Kubes when things go wrong." It is really a messed Up mentality to always have excuses while the Bills, Lions, Bengals and others are all of a sudden Up and coming.

yeah, all these excuses are nauseating. The Ratbirds were missing Ben Grubbs Tom Zbikowski, Lee Evans, Chris Carr, and Jimmy Smith....all starters or key reserves (nick back etc.)

thunderkyss
10-17-2011, 09:29 AM
The sad part about all of this Vinny is that the minute the AJ and Mario injuries happened my first thoughts were "well there are the 2 built in excuses for Bob to keep Kubes when things go wrong." It is really a messed Up mentality to always have excuses while the Bills, Lions, Bengals and others are all of a sudden Up and coming.

I really don't think so. Last year's debacle was our DC/HCs inability to cope with injuries. I don't think they can use that excuse again. We drafted Watt, Reed, Harris, Carmichael, & Keo. We signed Joseph, & Manning...

if we can't overcome injuries, that's their ass.

imo

HOU-TEX
10-17-2011, 09:35 AM
The talent has gotten significantly better on this team, but the W/L continues to be the same. I think most of us realize the common denominator

HoustonFrog
10-17-2011, 09:36 AM
I really don't think so. Last year's debacle was our DC/HCs inability to cope with injuries. I don't think they can use that excuse again. We drafted Watt, Reed, Harris, Carmichael, & Keo. We signed Joseph, & Manning...

if we can't overcome injuries, that's their ass.

imo

Agree completely. But after last season and the whole Bob thinks other owners are proud of the close losses quotes, I'm not sure what to think.

Forgot to add 49ers above too...also an example of what difference a new coach makes to mentality when basically using the same players