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cap1
05-01-2004, 04:54 PM
Does anyone else think, like I do, that we might see Peek and Babin both line up at OLBs? I could see this happening. Just like the Robinson pick to move colemen to Safety, could the Texas be planning on moving Wong to ILB? Just a thaught.

edo783
05-01-2004, 04:55 PM
I have been wondering that also.

HoustonTexansAreTheBest
05-01-2004, 05:03 PM
I have no clue, but that's what I've been hearing. Babin and Peek on the Outside with Foreman and Sharper on the inside. Not bad.

ledzeppelin229
05-01-2004, 05:08 PM
What they mean is Peek/Babin on the outside, with Wong at Foremans spot and Foreman on the bench. I could see it happening, would Peek have to do a lot of coverage from the LOLB position? I think he has the athleticism and he's probably been working on that in practice but would he be effective there considering he was supposed to be our ROLB pass rusher?

aj.
05-01-2004, 05:55 PM
...Foreman on the bench. I could see it happening,Doubtful since he counts $1.5 mil this year. That's a lot of dinero for a benchwarmer.

ledzeppelin229
05-01-2004, 06:00 PM
Good point aj...If that scenario did happen though, what do you think the Texans could get if they tried to trade him?

Fiddy
05-01-2004, 06:02 PM
I would LOVE to see Babin and Peek on the field full time. They could make a great duo for Capers and Co.

travfrancis
05-01-2004, 08:53 PM
^ fiddy that is a awesome avator

i think we are going to see babin - foreman - sharper - wong
and then on 3rd down/obvious pass situations we will see babin at de and peek at olb, isnt that what cass said?

thebigtrip
05-01-2004, 09:00 PM
I don't see what's so bad about Foreman, his numbers aren't bad.

Blake
05-01-2004, 09:03 PM
Doubtful since he counts $1.5 mil this year. That's a lot of dinero for a benchwarmer.


Tim Couch rode the bench. And im sure he was worth more than 1.5 million. Im not saying its not a possibility. But only if it is in the best interest of the team.

Fiddy
05-01-2004, 10:38 PM
^ fiddy that is a awesome avatorThanks, hopefully Robinson can do some screaming like that this year, too.

rittenhouserobz
05-02-2004, 12:19 AM
I would like to see it go
Peek-Wong-Sharper-Babin in the base set. I honestly don't think we lose much with Foreman in there either.

Scooter
05-02-2004, 01:57 AM
IMO peek hasnt earned that spot yet. orr played better than peek did. as much as i'd like to see foreman on the bench, i dont think peek, orr, or babin can beat out foreman or wong ... yet. maybe later or next season they can push a veteran out of a job, but none has earned that yet.

CaptainPatriot
05-02-2004, 09:40 AM
Does anyone else think, like I do, that we might see Peek and Babin both line up at OLBs? I could see this happening. Just like the Robinson pick to move colemen to Safety, could the Texas be planning on moving Wong to ILB? Just a thaught.
How about Shantee Orr ? He ran down Vick last yr!
Looks like he has some good upside

cap1
05-02-2004, 09:51 AM
How about Shantee Orr ? He ran down Vick last yr!
Looks like he has some good upside


I wouldn't mind seeing Shantee Orr out there if he is better than Peek this year. At least now we have about 6 LBs that can play (Sharper, Wong, Foreman, Peek, Orr, Babins). Unlike 3 last year (Sharper, Foremen, & Wong. Peek and Orr were just too raw last year).

On a side note who are the back up ILBs?

Fiddy
05-02-2004, 10:31 AM
On a side note who are the back up ILBs? Troy Evans, who is a great special teams player, and Travis Carroll.......OUCH!!!!

gsbtxn
05-02-2004, 11:52 AM
I don't see what's so bad about Foreman, his numbers aren't bad.

He does make a lot of tackles. Problem is, they seem to be too far downfield.

Wolf
05-02-2004, 11:58 AM
A healthy DL will make our LB's look oh so much better whoever we stick out there :D

Number19
05-02-2004, 12:31 PM
Doubtful since he counts $1.5 mil this year. That's a lot of dinero for a benchwarmer.
Come on! You base your starting lineup on how much the players are making? No way! You play your best player, period. The question is: how well can can Peek or Babin cover and how important is coverage skills to Casserly's defensive game plan? Peek is purely a converted DE. Babin has played some at LB. If Babin's coverage skills are adequate, and his pass rush skills are superior to Wong's, my guess is that we'll see Peek on the weak side and Babin on the strong side, with Wong maybe moving inside. It is equally likely that Babin will get a year of seasoning by playing the weak side with Wong staying on the strong side. This decision will be one of the more important highlights of training camp.

Lucky
05-02-2004, 01:16 PM
Peek is purely a converted DE. Babin has played some at LB.
My guess is that in his 1st pro year, Peek has more coverage experience than Babin has had in his career at Western Michigan. Counting training camp, exhibition games, 8 or 9 regular season games, and all of the practices - Peek should be well ahead of Babin in terms of both zone & man coverage. I know SteelBlue may not agree with me ;), but I thought Peek showed a lot of upside in regards to coverage last season. But I think Peek will have to show the Texans very early on that he's ready to win the LOLB spot before the Texans move Wong inside.

Vinny
05-02-2004, 01:24 PM
I know SteelBlue may not agree with me ;), but I thought Peek showed a lot of upside in regards to coverage last season. But I think Peek will have to show the Texans very early on that he's ready to win the LOLB spot before the Texans move Wong inside.

I admit I am much better judging linemen than I am judging linebackers for some reason. I just do not have as intuitive a feel for their position it seems. I think Peek has tremendous skills, but I think he needed to grow up last year. Dom Capers just may be the perfect coach for him. Dom is patient, knows how to relay his thoughts on why discipline is important, and linebackers all seem to play their best under him. I think if Peek comes back more mature and wiser, we may see something special. Capers and Casserly have both stated it takes about 3 years for a DE "tweener" to reach is full skill set as they mature into 3-4 OLB's. Players show their biggest jump in improvement from year one to year two, so I am willing to support Peek, and give him a clean slate as a fan. He seems like a nice enough guy. Lord knows he has ability. Let's see if Capers can harness it.

keyfro
05-02-2004, 01:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cap1
On a side note who are the back up ILBs?

Quote:
Troy Evans, who is a great special teams player, and Travis Carroll.......OUCH!!!!

remember we also signed marcus bell and deshaon polk...they are also ILB's

Fiddy
05-02-2004, 02:10 PM
Not dissing the vets, but Babins fits so well in our system that he gets a starting job.And the fact we took him in the 1st round and gave up 2 picks for him, Babin will start with no questions

Vinny
05-02-2004, 02:15 PM
I think Sharper is the only linebacker that is without question an "absolute starter". This camp should have a tremendous battle for the other positions. I don't think that we will see Foreman or Wong starting here in two years.

Number19
05-02-2004, 03:04 PM
...in his 1st pro year, Peek has (gained) coverage experience...
I agree; what it boils down to is whether Babin has more natural talent and ability in this area and how fast he can adapt these to the pro game. We paid a high price for him and I should hope he has the advantage of Peek. And having just written this and having reviewed your response, I realize you are considering that Peek may be the player for the left side. I hadn't thought this, but it does represent a posibility. Any way you line them up, I hope both Peek and Babin have the capability of winning a starting spot and giving the Texans two 10+ sack seasons.

Vinny
05-02-2004, 03:56 PM
I keep seeing "high price". We only gave up a one first day pick to have two first rounders. Sure, its a first day pick, but we received a 1st round selection.

I think that the Titans were going to trade down regardless. If we did not trade with them, they would have found someone else. If we do not make this move we are stuck with a lower quality edge rusher instead of the pick of the litter. We had an extra 4th from CC's previous deals, so we really only missed a pick in the 3rd round. A lot of people seem to consider a few second day picks "a high price to pay".... I'm not sure I can get onboard with that kind of thinking. Just look at the history of the NFL draft. 2nd day picks are no sure things whatsoever.

gsbtxn
05-02-2004, 04:09 PM
I thought we had paid a high price when I first heard of the deal, but after analyzing it, I think it will end up being a great move. While depth is important, I'd rather have a stud starting and then worry about depth than have more second-tier guys for depth and no stand out to start.

BigTex
05-02-2004, 04:21 PM
To the average eye I guess u could say the trade seems very HIGH but when u look at the trade in contrast it doesnt seem bad at all actually it seems very good.

Number19
05-02-2004, 04:27 PM
I keep seeing "high price". We only gave up a one first day pick to have two first rounders. Sure, its a first day pick, but we received a 1st round selection.

I think that the Titans were going to trade down regardless. If we did not trade with them, they would have found someone else. If we do not make this move we are stuck with a lower quality edge rusher instead of the pick of the litter. We had an extra 4th from CC's previous deals, so we really only missed a pick in the 3rd round. A lot of people seem to consider a few second day picks "a high price to pay".... I'm not sure I can get onboard with that kind of thinking. Just look at the history of the NFL draft. 2nd day picks are no sure things whatsoever.
It all depends on how he turns out. I know the Texan organization had him rated highly and it seems that maybe a few other teams also did. But could he have been gotten with our 40 pick? We'll never know. Value is relative; what I put a high price on, you may not. But in my opinion, we did "pay a high price" - we paid as if he is a #1 talent. The question, which only time will tell, is : Will he turn out to be worth the "high price"? Now, I like the prospects of this player and I think that just maybe he will turn out to be worth the price; but this is no more assured than the 2nd day picks you mentioned.

keyfro
05-02-2004, 06:33 PM
he should be starting at one of the OLB spots...i would like to see Peek start at the other one or be in heavy rotation with wong...i would like to see us keep babin in everydown to help him develop into the player capers wants him to be...but hey it's all capers team...he'll run it the way he wants to

Vinny
05-02-2004, 06:46 PM
But in my opinion, we did "pay a high price" - we paid as if he is a #1 talent. The question, which only time will tell, is : Will he turn out to be worth the "high price"? Now, I like the prospects of this player and I think that just maybe he will turn out to be worth the price; but this is no more assured than the 2nd day picks you mentioned.Well, of course we valued him as a first round pick. That’s were we picked him. My point is simple, if you look back at the history of the NFL draft (http://www.drafthistory.com/years.html), and see the success rate of guys picked at 71 and 103 as opposed to one of the top 30 guys selected each year, I just don't seem to understand the "paid a high cost" argument. Regardless of what we perceive, we both want the same thing; we both want our picks to be good picks. It is no more complex than that. I will judge this draft by what I see on the field. I doubt there are a handful of Texans fans that saw a single snap of Western Michigan Football last year. It will all unfold soon enough.

TexasAggie
05-02-2004, 07:54 PM
2002 Draft......................................Last roster Play for
3rd (83).. Charles Hill DT....................Chicago Bears
6..... Howard Green DT................New Orleans Saints
7.... Greg White L.....................Washington Redskins
7 ..... Ahmad Miller DT.....................out
UDFA... Jimmy McClain LB....................Jax Jags
UDFA... Rashod Kent TE....................Just released by Texans

2003
6.... Drew Henson QB..................Cowboys F/ 2005 3rd pick
6 .. . Kieth Wright DT....................Indy Colts
7... Chance Pierce LS...................out
UDFA... Jason Davis DT...................TEXANS
UDFA... Terrance Martin DT...............TEXANS

This is not a complete list of rookie players for Houston, but I think it shows
that good players or players capable of being in the NFL for one reason or another get cut by one team due to schemes as well as talent level of the competion of the remaining players on the teams. My point being that we lost a 3rd and 4th round pick that probably would have made the team but not necessarily been keepers. JMO. :confused:

texman8
05-02-2004, 08:08 PM
Good point,T/A As I pointed out in another post , the Lions traded the Browns 2nd round pick acquired when they switched 1st round picks,2004 4th and 2005 5th for KC's 1st round pick. I believe KC's 1st was before Titans' 1st . IMO, we gave up more draft value. Still, I like Babin. ( too late to cry about it!) :banana:

Lucky
05-02-2004, 08:17 PM
Just for fun, let's take a look at what this trade would look like (from 97-01)

1997
#27 - Rae Carruth Panthers WR
for
#40 - Dexter McCleon Rams DB
#71 - Duce Staley Eagles RB
#103 - Pete Monty Giants LB

1998
#27 - Victor Riley Chiefs T
for
#40 - Cameron Cleeland Saints TE
#71 - E.G. Green Colts WR
#103 - Omar Brown Falcons CB

1999
#27 - Aaron Gibson Lions T
for
#40 - Tony Bryant Raiders DE
#71 - D'Wayne Bates Bears WR
#103 - Sedrick Irvin Lions RB

2000
#27 - Anthony Becht Jets TE
for
#40 - Ian Gold Broncos OLB
#71 - Darwin Walker Cardinals DT
#103 - Danny Farmer Steelers WR

2001
#27 - Michael Bennett Vikings RB
for
#40 - Ken Lucas Seahawks CB
#71 - Bhawoh Jue Packers CB
#103 - Karon Riley Bears DE

1997 would certainly go in favor of the team that traded down because they got 2 quality players. Forget that Carruth is a scumbag, he wasn't a very good player,either.

1998 would be a wash as both Riley & Cleeland were disappointments to the teams that drafted them. Green & Brown have been out of the league for awhile.

1999 would be a wash since all of the players have disappointed.

2000 would give the edge to the team that traded down. Both Gold and Becht have become starters, but Gold gets the nod. Walker has become a solid tackloe, but he was cut quickly by the Cards.

2001 would certainly go in favor of the team that traded up. Lucas is a sometime starter and the other guys are hanging on as reserves. But when healthy, Bennett is an impact runner.

So what have we learned? Not much except that it's usually the team that takes the best player in the #27 or #40 slot that wins the trade. The extra picks usually have no impact. The trade this year is likely a winner or loser solely based on whether Babin becomes an impact player. Casserly & Capers believe he is, and their job security rides on these types of decisions. My money says that they're right, and I'm saving a little extra for playoff tickets this year.

aj.
05-02-2004, 08:27 PM
From what I saw last year, Peek isn't good enough against the run to play the strong side in place of Wong. He's a good rusher, is super mobile and great in pursuit but he can't hold ground like you need the strong side backer to do. I don't see Foreman going anywhere this year, bench or otherwise. The good news is that we finally have some depth at LB. Heck, Charlie Clemons could end up backing up Foreman. Troy Evans is much better at special teams than Charlie, however.

Mistril48
05-02-2004, 08:44 PM
Can Babin play on the left side, or strong side, in place of Wong, with Peek on the right. Was Babin a left or right end in college, or did he play strong, or weak?

Fiddy
05-02-2004, 10:06 PM
Was Babin a left or right end in college, or did he play strong, or weak? Babin played both RE and LE position in college

Number19
05-02-2004, 10:13 PM
The write up on Babin says he shows strength against the run but does not effectively take on blockers at the point of attack. His weight room strength does not translate to the football field and he'd rather elude blockers than take them on heads up. Hopeful this can be improved upon with coaching.

clandestin
05-03-2004, 01:04 AM
babin projects better to ROLB in our defense, in comparison the LOLB is more of a traditional type of linebacker as they will play pass protection on the TE and occasionally drop into zone in the flats. That's not to say that LOLB never put their hand down on the line and rush, but they do it less so then the ROLB.

pittbull
05-03-2004, 07:20 AM
I always thought Wong was better served on the inside. I can see Babin going to his position and eek becoming the havoc on the other side. Wong has the strength and spped to play the inside position!

Mistril48
05-03-2004, 07:05 PM
babin projects better to ROLB in our defense, in comparison the LOLB is more of a traditional type of linebacker as they will play pass protection on the TE and occasionally drop into zone in the flats. That's not to say that LOLB never put their hand down on the line and rush, but they do it less so then the ROLB.

Is this true? I believe that Kevin Green played LOLB and Lamar Latham played ROLB for the Carolina Panthers. Isn't Babin supposed to be like Kevin Green 'only faster'.

HoustonTexansAreTheBest
05-03-2004, 07:09 PM
Lamar Lathon (sp?), he used to be my favorite LB. I've been a fan of the Texans, but I've been a fan of Capers much longer since his Carolina Panther Days.

aj.
05-03-2004, 08:02 PM
From what I recall, Greene played LOLB and Lathon ROLB for the Panthers. I know both had 'sacks beaucoup' in '96.

Vinny
05-03-2004, 08:11 PM
I do believe you got it right. Greene was a LOLB, and a total menace from that side also.

clandestin
05-03-2004, 11:24 PM
Is this true? I believe that Kevin Green played LOLB and Lamar Latham played ROLB for the Carolina Panthers. Isn't Babin supposed to be like Kevin Green 'only faster'.

Yep Greene played on the left side, probably due to the fact that Lathon was the larger of the two (lathon was around 270 give or take, where as greene was about 20 pounds lighter.)

I didn't mean to indicate that the two OLB spots are mutually exclusive, but with babin playing at 260-280 and Wong (and Peek) being significantly lighter I see ROLB as his likely spot. I also think that it may be easier for babin to make the transition with fewer coverage responsibilities.

Vinny
05-03-2004, 11:29 PM
I agree, and besides, Wong is not the OLB that needs replacing. We need a ROLB, and Babin is the man.

dalemurphy
05-04-2004, 06:14 AM
If the poorer cover LB is on the right side, why wouldn't teams simply line up their TEs on the right? Isn't the real distinction between the strong and weak side and not the right and the left? Someone please explain why the ROLB would be needed less in coverage.

clandestin
05-04-2004, 06:52 AM
If the poorer cover LB is on the right side, why wouldn't teams simply line up their TEs on the right? Isn't the real distinction between the strong and weak side and not the right and the left? Someone please explain why the ROLB would be needed less in coverage.

that's a bit like asking 'why is a LT valued more then a RT?' Generally, the 'strong side' is the right side of the field (left side for defense.) The key word being generally. From an offensive perspective, if you had a franchise LT why would you line up the TE over him while leaving your RT 'on an island' on a passing play. That's not to say it doesn't happen; it is all a big chess game after all. Again, I'm not saying that a player can only be a LOLB or a ROLB it's just the finer points of the position that I'm thinking about.

pittbull
05-04-2004, 07:05 AM
I hope Babin is better than greene. He was worthless against the run. Great pass rusher, but I want the guy to be abe to do other things!

Vinny
05-04-2004, 09:53 AM
Greene was solid against the run. "Worthless" isn't a very accurate characterization. Greene went to the Pro-Bowl 5 times.

V Man
05-04-2004, 10:45 AM
Greene was a solid LB at Pittsburgh, where he was a pretty good all-around LB (run and pass). It wasn't until Carolina, that he was known as a sack specialist. :rollbaby:

TheOgre
05-04-2004, 10:55 AM
I don't see what's so bad about Foreman, his numbers aren't bad.

He is functional and that is it. His tackles are often several yards past the line of scrimmage, and he provide really zero rushing skills.

I'm hoping that by 2005 we have Sharper and Wong on the inside and Babin and Peek on the outside. That just seems like the way to go. I really will be stunned and highly disappointed if Foreman starts in 2005.

V Man
05-04-2004, 11:02 AM
He is functional and that is it. His tackles are often several yards past the line of scrimmage, and he provide really zero rushing skills.

I'm hoping that by 2005 we have Sharper and Wong on the inside and Babin and Peek on the outside. That just seems like the way to go. I really will be stunned and highly disappointed if Foreman starts in 2005.

He is also know for getting the stupid penalties at the wrong times (remember the Buffalo game) :mad:

AlexVanderpool
05-04-2004, 12:11 PM
i dont think peek, orr, or babin can beat out foreman or wong ... yet.

I'll give you Foreman, but what has Wong done is the past 2 years? What Peek and Orr both showed in their few appearances last year was a nose for the ball and an ability to make a play. Wong has been a waste of a large contract, who might be salvaged by a move inside. Peek, Orr, and Babin sooner or later, will be the Texans OLB crew...what better time than now to get them polished?

When Wong was first signed he talked about the dreams he had about sacking quarterbacks...Unfortunately, so far for him all it has been is a dream.

El Tejano
05-04-2004, 01:05 PM
I think Orr did a wonderful job and you gotta love it when he ran down Michael Vick and sacked him. He even had a game clinching turnover against Buffalo. I would like to see a package that included Peek and Babin because it never really tells you who is coming in on a blitz.

V Man
05-04-2004, 01:09 PM
I want to see
"Orr & Orr ,The Law Firm"
"Specializing in Quarterback Abuse Cases"

Mistril48
05-04-2004, 02:23 PM
Yep Greene played on the left side, probably due to the fact that Lathon was the larger of the two (lathon was around 270 give or take, where as greene was about 20 pounds lighter.)

I didn't mean to indicate that the two OLB spots are mutually exclusive, but with babin playing at 260-280 and Wong (and Peek) being significantly lighter I see ROLB as his likely spot. I also think that it may be easier for babin to make the transition with fewer coverage responsibilities.

Clandestin. Thank you for your comments.

Can we keep it going. I thought that generally, the strong safety had the tight end in man coverage and that the outside linebackers would take the first back out of the backfield on their side. I appreciate that they are often changing it up to mess up the offense, but I mean generally. In this concept, the free safety plays center field.

If you agree with this generalization, both the LOLB and the ROLB have the same responsibility in the passing game. If anything, the ROLB has more of a challenge in the passing game, because he will have coverage in greater space (generally, less players in the same space equals more empty space). I would put the better athlete, as opposed to size, or the better player in coverage at ROLB.

In the run game, I would think you would want you better run defender, or stronger player on the left side, or the strong side, to hold up against more blockers (RT, RG, TE, FB generally).

All of this leads me to believe that everything else being equal, they would prefer Babin on the left (if bigger equals stronger against the run) and Peek on the right.

What am I missing?

Chance_C
05-04-2004, 04:12 PM
If you agree with this generalization, both the LOLB and the ROLB have the same responsibility in the passing game. If anything, the ROLB has more of a challenge in the passing game, because he will have coverage in greater space (generally, less players in the same space equals more empty space). I would put the better athlete, as opposed to size, or the better player in coverage at ROLB

I'll try to answer that, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong. When defending pass situations, we will be in nickel coverage for the most part. That brings in an extra DB for coverage. The weak side lb, should be rushing the QB for the most part.

Blake
05-04-2004, 04:18 PM
I'll try to answer that, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong. When defending pass situations, we will be in nickel coverage for the most part. That brings in an extra DB for coverage. The weak side lb, should be rushing the QB for the most part.

depends on what down, how many yards, what part of the field.

but yes, in nickel coverage, the weakside LB will be rushing, while the nickel CB takes on the extra WR.

Fiddy
05-04-2004, 04:40 PM
but yes, in nickel coverage, the weakside LB will be rushing, while the nickel CB takes on the extra WR.And I hope they bring down Coleman to play the 3rd corner while McCree is playing FS

PHAROAH
05-04-2004, 06:41 PM
I think the texans will pick up Jeremiah Trotter when his released from the redskins. Here is my lineup.

Peek-Trotter?-Sharper-Babin
Sharper-Wong
:carrot:

Number19
05-04-2004, 07:04 PM
...In the run game, I would think you would want you better run defender, or stronger player on the left side, or the strong side, to hold up against more blockers (RT, RG, TE, FB generally).

All of this leads me to believe that everything else being equal, they would prefer Babin on the left (if bigger equals stronger against the run) and Peek on the right...
Good explanation and the scenario of Babin on the left is the one I'd like to see develope.

What mildly disturbs me is the write-up on Babin says he does not take on blockers, at the point of attack, very well. He prefers to "elude" blockers. He has fine weight room strength, but he does not utilize it on the football field. Unless the coaches can correct this, he may be better suited on the right.

Mistril48
05-04-2004, 07:18 PM
Good explanation and the scenario of Babin on the left is the one I'd like to see develope.

What mildly disturbs me is the write-up on Babin says he does not take on blockers, at the point of attack, very well. He prefers to "elude" blockers. He has fine weight room strength, but he does not utilize it on the football field. Unless the coaches can correct this, he may be better suited on the right.

If the write-up is true (which I doubt) and the coaches can't correct it, he won't play on either side!

Number19
05-04-2004, 07:26 PM
If the write-up is true (which I doubt) and the coaches can't correct it, he won't play on either side!
Negatives: Timed speed is deceptive, as the player shed 20 pounds before his workout and generally plays in the 280-pound range … Not as explosive when he's at his playing weight … Shows strength against the run, but does not split the double team or neutralize blockers when engaging in head-up action … Weight-room strength does not translate to the football field (would rather elude than take on the blocker) … Uses his hands well, but is not a hit-and-shed type … Best pass rushing off the edge, as he would rather not take on and defeat the offensive tackle or tight end (tries to throw rather than use shed moves to disengage)...NFL.com

Mistril48
05-04-2004, 09:52 PM
Number19, I didn't mean to imply that your write-up wasn't accurate. Rather, I was trying to say that I doubted the write-up you were referring to was an accurate reflection of the player.

I can't imagine that the Texans would trade up to get Babin in the first round if the negatives were accurate, although time will tell. Capers has a pretty good track record with young linebackers. I believe his first college coaching assignment was working with Jack Lambert.

Number19
05-05-2004, 06:11 AM
Number19, I didn't mean to imply that your write-up wasn't accurate. Rather, I was trying to say that I doubted the write-up you were referring to was an accurate reflection of the player.

I can't imagine that the Texans would trade up to get Babin in the first round if the negatives were accurate, although time will tell. Capers has a pretty good track record with young linebackers. I believe his first college coaching assignment was working with Jack Lambert.
No problemo. I knew your intent; I simply thought it would be good to print the entire analysis and source. I also agree with your analysis, this is why I'm only mildly concerned. I'm sure CC and company are well aware of any shortcomings. For one, we do not know how they intend to use Babin in their defensive scheme- left or right - and they obviously feel he is coachable. What it does mean is that we shouldn't expect pro bowel caliber of play his rookie year. He will require a year or two for seasoning and developement. And it does mean there is that small possibility he may not quite pan out as expected. But regardless, Peek and Babin should represent an upgrade over '02 & '03.