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Vinny
04-25-2005, 10:11 AM
He is on after the commercial break if you want to dial in and see what he has to say. TJ was just on and he sounds like he has a great attitude.

dalemurphy
04-25-2005, 10:21 AM
please post what he had to say (Casserly)... I can't get 610 here in Austin.

Htown34s
04-25-2005, 10:23 AM
Yes, please relay the conversation for us Austinites! :popcorn:

Vinny
04-25-2005, 10:29 AM
Ok, the first segment is over. Here is a rough recap of what Casserly was saying for you guys...

Signed a few undrafted players and won’t announce them until they get the contracts finalized….probably Thursday.

Casserly surprised Browner wasn’t drafted.

Shazor wasn’t considered by us. Not fast enough.

Travis Johnson – highest rated interior lineman, had an opportunity to trade back further but didn’t want to lose him. Turns out there was another team on the phone with him so he would have been gone if we traded back again.

Vernand Morency – best player on their board at his pick. We were looking for RB depth.

Jerome Mathis – one of the fastest ever times at the combine. Ran a 4.26 on one watch. 5 TD’s on KO returns this last season. Has never been to spring practice due to him always being on the track team. Will improve with good coaching.

Drew Hodgdon – Played USC's Patterson and Cody and held his own when they broke film down on him.

C.C. Brown – fast guy who they thought was the best player at this pick

Kenneth Pettway – a project, good athlete.

Don’t forget about the Phillip Buchanon deal. Travis Johnson, Morency, Mathis and Buchannon will impact the team this year.

Blake
04-25-2005, 10:34 AM
I wonder what DD thinks about the VM pick.

I hope he doesnt start crying about it.

Vinny
04-25-2005, 10:35 AM
I'll take notes on the next segment as well. Looks like we have singed a few guys but CC wouldn't disclose who.

powda
04-25-2005, 10:36 AM
refered to cc brown as a strong safety rather than a free safety...

Htown34s
04-25-2005, 10:38 AM
I wonder what DD thinks about the VM pick. I hope he doesnt start crying about it.

I hope not. I think he still has a lot to prove and knows it.

I'm a little put off that some players are offended that we are getting younger and adding depth at their position. That is what the NFL is all about. Its a necessity and every team wants to have good depth.

Vinny
04-25-2005, 10:43 AM
Asked Casserly straight-up about Glenn and his future. Casserly said that is between Capers and Glenn and would not comment on it otherwise.

He said that the cap is something that you just have to consider in the Free Agency era. Each case is individual so you have to take them case by case.

On defense…We started 3 rookies last year and do not anticipate starting any rookies for the first time this season. Marcus Coleman should be better at FS due to experience now so the 3 rookies plus Coleman gives us 4 improved starters from last year’s defense who should play better this season. If we didn’t sign Morlon Greenwood Jamie Sharper would still be here.

Why draft Morencey instead of Justin Tuck….Didn’t think he could play linebacker. Doesn’t fit our defense. Capers said that Morency should have went in the 2nd round. They did the same thing in Washington when they drafted Stepen Davis. They thought he should have been drafted earlier. People questioned the Davis pick when they took him then because their returning starter had a good year like Dom had. Just have to upgrade the team where you can. Need picks in these rounds have hurt their drafts earlier.

Htown34s
04-25-2005, 10:47 AM
Need picks in these rounds have hurt their drafts earlier.

Did Casserly admit this? If so, then bravo. I like his candor. I also like that we aren't making those mistakes any longer.

I actually like this draft the best so far. I know I'm probably in the minority.


Drew Hodgdon – Played USC's Patterson and Cody and held his own when they broke film down on him.

This sounds great. McKinney is my new Matt Stevens...although that is a little too harsh. :whistle:

nflnutswife
04-25-2005, 10:49 AM
[QUOTE=Vinny]Asked Casserly straight-up about Glenn and his future. Casserly said that is between Capers and Glenn and would not comment on it otherwise.


Uh OH, We sit in A Glenns amen corner, Do I have to make a new sign?

Vinny
04-25-2005, 10:49 AM
I think you have to draft for need at times when you have a blank team (expansion). Sometimes is force a need or play guys like Jimmy Herndon.

TheOgre
04-25-2005, 10:52 AM
Didn't Cameron Spikes and Steve Foley go to San Diego and play well last year?

Edit: mentioning Jimmy Herndon made me think of Spikes.

edo783
04-25-2005, 10:57 AM
It's a good thing that we are now at the point where we can draft for talent rather than need.

Vinny
04-25-2005, 10:57 AM
On Character: Team did extensive background checks. Dealing with young men in high profile situations on their campus…. They feel all their picks had questions and they feel good about the players after they checked them out. We want good people and you win with good reliable people. Not fair to question a player about being falsely accused of things. All the players selected are all good guys and we are comfortable with them.

On Derrick Johnson…. couple of things. They thought KC would take Derrick Johnson when they traded back based on their information so they figured he would be gone at 16. They just signed Greenwood so they wanted the extra pick wile picking up the player that they liked in TJ. Travis Johnson had a 25 on his Wonder-lick

D-Rob23
04-25-2005, 10:59 AM
What about the possibility of trading down in the first round again?

Casserly said there was an opportunity to do so:
However, between where they were at 16 and where they would have moved down to: (a team in between those picks was interested in taking TJ, and the Texans decided not to make the deal)

worth pointing out at least

Htown34s
04-25-2005, 11:02 AM
mentioning Jimmy Herndon made me think of Spikes.

Mentioning Jimmy Herndon made me throw up a little bit in my mouth. eek:

Vinny
04-25-2005, 11:09 AM
Detroit taking Mike Williams…. He talked to Matt Millen, Detroit is going to put Williams in the slot and will create mismatches.

Everyone liked Matt Jones….may take some time to develop but Casserly said that he will likely develop fast.

On Colts…Bill Polian building defense thru the draft.

On the Meatballs….Pacman jones best corner in the draft and is an impact player. Roos is a terrific prospect at LT. Brandon Jones may have as much raw talent as any WR in the draft. Roby has good speed and good yac. Thinks all the Titan WR picks can play in the NFL.

TheOgre
04-25-2005, 11:40 AM
I was mad that Bo Scaife went to the Titans. He had injury problems at UT, but was a good TE when healthy.

Marcus
04-25-2005, 12:25 PM
[QUOTE=Vinny]Asked Casserly straight-up about Glenn and his future. Casserly said that is between Capers and Glenn and would not comment on it otherwise.

Uh OH, We sit in A Glenns amen corner, Do I have to make a new sign?

Well, I listened to the interview. In response to Lance's question, "Will Aaron Glenn be a Texan this season?" Casserly replied so many words that it was a discussion between Capers and Glenn and would not comment further, and would not be making any announcement about it now or later.

Now, I won't pretend that I can read between the lines any better than the next guy, but yeah, I'd say you need to get a new sign.

jr0ck
04-25-2005, 12:36 PM
Travis Johnson had a 25 on his Wonder-lick

wow, isn't the test out of 30? maybe we put him behind banks on the QB depth chart while ragone is in NFLE :heh:

Errant Hothy
04-25-2005, 12:36 PM
Thanks for teh re-cap from a member of the football minority in Fort Worth.

WildBlackBear32
04-25-2005, 12:39 PM
wow, isn't the test out of 30? maybe we put him behind banks on the QB depth chart while ragone is in NFLE :heh:

50... :thumbdown

JustBonee
04-25-2005, 12:40 PM
... TJ was just on and he sounds like he has a great attitude.
Very good interview! The guy does impress. Sounds very smart .. and I think he was a great pick.


Now, I won't pretend that I can read between the lines any better than the next guy, but yeah, I'd say you need to get a new sign.
lol :)

El Tejano
04-25-2005, 12:42 PM
Bo Scaife is pretty much closing in on 30 he stayed at UT so long.

Errant Hothy
04-25-2005, 12:43 PM
50... :thumbdown

25 out of 50 on a timed test, that is probaly cultrualy biased, ala the SAT, isn't bad. Willing to bet it's higher then the average of a D-line prospect. Better then Frank Gore's 6.

WildBlackBear32
04-25-2005, 12:43 PM
Bo Scaife is pretty much closing in on 30 he stayed at UT so long.

The best part is...He's still younger than Morency!

TexansFanatic
04-25-2005, 12:54 PM
In regards to the Wonderlic test:


In general, says Wonderlic, "The closer you are to the ball, the higher your score."

This assessment roughly corresponds to the averages revealed, according to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, by an NFL personnel man in Paul Zimmerman's "The New Thinking man's Guide to Pro Football," which are:

Offensive tackles: 26
Centers: 25
Quarterbacks: 24
Guards: 23
Tight Ends: 22
Safeties: 19
Middle linebackers: 19
Cornerbacks: 18
Wide receivers: 17
Fullbacks: 17
Halfbacks: 16

The average scores in other professions look like this:

Chemist: 31
Programmer: 29
Newswriter: 26
Sales: 24
Bank teller: 22
Clerical Worker: 21
Security Guard: 17
Warehouse: 15

Kaiser Toro
04-25-2005, 01:00 PM
In regards to the Wonderlic test:


In general, says Wonderlic, "The closer you are to the ball, the higher your score."

This assessment roughly corresponds to the averages revealed, according to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, by an NFL personnel man in Paul Zimmerman's "The New Thinking man's Guide to Pro Football," which are:

Offensive tackles: 26
Centers: 25
Quarterbacks: 24
Guards: 23
Tight Ends: 22
Safeties: 19
Middle linebackers: 19
Cornerbacks: 18
Wide receivers: 17
Fullbacks: 17
Halfbacks: 16

The average scores in other professions look like this:

Chemist: 31
Programmer: 29
Newswriter: 26
Sales: 24
Bank teller: 22
Clerical Worker: 21
Security Guard: 17
Warehouse: 15

thanks for flame retardant as the haters were about to use this against TJ. Unfortunately there is nothing you can do about a 25 yr old back, maybe that is why Morency was a value pick in the 3rd.

Errant Hothy
04-25-2005, 01:02 PM
People Travis Johnson scored higher then on teh Wonderlic...Derrick Johnson scored a 21, Marcus Spears didn't take his Wonderlic at the Combinem, Morency who got an 11 (just so I'mnot accused of being a Casserly homer), Odell Thurman with a 12, and a slew of others. Here's the link http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/combine.php?&sortorder=test&order=ASC

jr0ck
04-25-2005, 01:02 PM
Travis Johnson had a 25 on his Wonder-lick

wow, isn't the test out of 30? maybe we put him behind banks on the QB depth chart while ragone is in NFLE

50...:thumbdown

Quarterbacks: 24

TJ still scored higher than the average QB; i'm telling you guys, caper's and co are pulling out all the stops...johnson to johnson for a six!! :heh:

MojoMan
04-25-2005, 01:07 PM
I don't understand why Aaron Glenn seeking a trade would be between Coach Capers and Aaron Glenn, with GM Charley Casserly on the sidelines. I though the GM was in charge of personnel issues such as the draft, contract negotiations, trades and managing the salary cap. Of course you want your GM to communicate and work together with the coach. However, this particular scenario sounds a little strange to me.

texanfan2002114
04-25-2005, 01:12 PM
I don't understand why Aaron Glenn seeking a trade would be between Coach Capers and Aaron Glenn, with GM Charley Casserly on the sidelines. I though the GM was in charge of personnel issues such as the draft, contract negotiations, trades and managing the salary cap. Of course you want your GM to communicate and work together with the coach. However, this particular scenario sounds a little strange to me.


Capers has a HUGE hand who he wants on the team and is more invloved with those types of transactions.

TexansFanatic
04-25-2005, 01:16 PM
I don't understand why Aaron Glenn seeking a trade would be between Coach Capers and Aaron Glenn, with GM Charley Casserly on the sidelines. I though the GM was in charge of personnel issues such as the draft, contract negotiations, trades and managing the salary cap. Of course you want your GM to communicate and work together with the coach. However, this particular scenario sounds a little strange to me.

This was a complete dodge of the question by Casserly. The GM CLEARLY has a handle on all personnel issues.

MojoMan
04-25-2005, 01:17 PM
Texanfan,

To the point where the GM is washing his hands in relation to this rather high profile move? If that is right, then Coach Capers is taking on more of a GM role than I had thought possible. This is all very interesting.

infantrycak
04-25-2005, 01:19 PM
25 out of 50 on a timed test, that is probaly cultrualy biased, ala the SAT, isn't bad. Willing to bet it's higher then the average of a D-line prospect. Better then Frank Gore's 6.

Yeah, can't imagine how people from different cultures can all come up with the answers to questions like these:

1. Assume the first 2 statements are true. Is the final one:
1 true, 2 false, 3 not certain?
The boy plays baseball. All baseball players wear hats.
The boy wears a hat.

2. Paper sells for 21 cents per pad. What will 4 pads cost?

nunusguy
04-25-2005, 01:22 PM
I don't understand why Aaron Glenn seeking a trade would be between Coach Capers and Aaron Glenn, with GM Charley Casserly on the sidelines. I though the GM was in charge of personnel issues such as the draft, contract negotiations, trades and managing the salary cap. Of course you want your GM to communicate and work together with the coach. However, this particular scenario sounds a little strange to me.
This trade for draft picks involving PB and the decision to notify AG he's
free to shop himself to other teams are part and parcel of one process
which is the brain child of Cass. And to be sure, Capers was hired by Cass
and he can be fired by him so he reports to him, just as Cass & Bob McNair
have that same relationship. Capers is merely doing Cass's dirty work for
him.

Errant Hothy
04-25-2005, 01:27 PM
Yeah, can't imagine how people from different cultures can all come up with the answers to questions like these:

I'm willing to bet thats from the ESPN article that had the sample questions. Why don't you post a link or the rest of the questions, instead of the easiest two. WOuld you please?

WildBlackBear32
04-25-2005, 01:30 PM
I'm willing to bet thats from the ESPN article that had the sample questions. Why don't you post a link or the rest of the questions, instead of the easiest two. WOuld you please?

Those weren't even the easiest questions. The one with "which does not belong?" with 4 4-sided and one 6 sided shape and "the ninth month of the year is"...real toughies.

Errant Hothy
04-25-2005, 01:33 PM
Most explain why your boy Scaife got an 18.

infantrycak
04-25-2005, 01:41 PM
I'm willing to bet thats from the ESPN article that had the sample questions. Why don't you post a link or the rest of the questions, instead of the easiest two. WOuld you please?

So level of difficulty makes a test biased? Ummm, right.

Try Googling Wonderlic or Wonderlic sample questions. No reason for me to do your work for you. Of course, you could have done that prior to throwing the accusation out. How about this instead, find a single example of a wonderlic question you can even claim is racially biased?

bckey
04-25-2005, 01:47 PM
In regards to the Wonderlic test:


In general, says Wonderlic, "The closer you are to the ball, the higher your score."

This assessment roughly corresponds to the averages revealed, according to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, by an NFL personnel man in Paul Zimmerman's "The New Thinking man's Guide to Pro Football," which are:

Offensive tackles: 26
Centers: 25
Quarterbacks: 24
Guards: 23
Tight Ends: 22
Safeties: 19
Middle linebackers: 19
Cornerbacks: 18
Wide receivers: 17
Fullbacks: 17
Halfbacks: 16

The average scores in other professions look like this:

Chemist: 31
Programmer: 29
Newswriter: 26
Sales: 24
Bank teller: 22
Clerical Worker: 21
Security Guard: 17
Warehouse: 15


You left off DL

Vinny
04-25-2005, 01:54 PM
This was a complete dodge of the question by Casserly. The GM CLEARLY has a handle on all personnel issues.Capers decides who will play and what role a player has in a given scheme. Casserly stays out of it. Casserly comes in to play of course...but I assume that Capers starts the decision making part by his player evaluations.

Errant Hothy
04-25-2005, 02:12 PM
So level of difficulty makes a test biased? Ummm, right.

Try Googling Wonderlic or Wonderlic sample questions. No reason for me to do your work for you. Of course, you could have done that prior to throwing the accusation out. How about this instead, find a single example of a wonderlic question you can even claim is racially biased?

I never said that the test was racially biased, but I admit I may not have been as clear as I wished. I think teh Wonderlic, like nearly all standardized test, are biased to some extent on economic and/or the school system these kids attened. It doesn't amtter where many of these kids went to college, as the Wonderlic isn't testing them on their knowledge of their degres or degrees as the case may be.

As for the attempt to find a question that's biased isn't really possible. Nobody who writes a test is going to be so bold/ignorant to include a question that could easliy be fond to be biased. The company's lawyers wouldn't allow it. Insteasd I'll qoute some experts on the matter (link http://www.fairtest.org/examarts/spring95/wonderli.htm) In fact, the Wonderlic has been widely challenged for both racial bias and lack of job-relatedness. Richard Seymour, an attorney with the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law who specializes in testing litigation, has written that the Wonderlic is a "recidivist" exam, "often litigated and condemned. The NFL has not revealed whether it has ever done a validity study of the Wonderlic's accuracy, fairness and relevance. Nonetheless, pro football is one of the increasing number of employers where "if you can't pass, you don't play" refers to a simple-minded test, not real performance".

http://www.fairtest.org/examarts/summer95/merit.htm

But this is my opinion, I don't care what any of our players scored on the Wonderlic (and the SAT, just about any IQ test or stadard tesat is general despite what I may think about it) I'm really just sick of people bashing a player before he has even stepped on to the feild. Basically what I'm sayign is that we have differing points of view, and I should hav eknown better to bring it up. It's a) a hot topic issue b)not on that is condusive to the internet and c) both of use could spend days even weeks arguing the point, which would get out of hand, be entiry to time consuming and distract us from the Texans and the more importnat parts of our own personal lifes (besides I'm moving in a week and will soon be lucky to get own for the week after that)

infantrycak
04-25-2005, 02:17 PM
As for the attempt to find a question that's biased isn't really possible. Nobody who writes a test is going to be so bold/ignorant to include a question that could easliy be fond to be biased. The company's lawyers wouldn't allow it. Insteasd I'll qoute some experts on the matter

So in other words these people have a belief based on nothing they can point to other than a result they don't like. And the "expert" doesn't even know how to use recidivist correctly.

In any event, the Wonderlic is like any other evaluation tool--a piece of the picture, just like 40 times, short shuttle, etc.--not the be all and end all to the decision.

O.G.
04-25-2005, 02:30 PM
In any event, the Wonderlic is like any other evaluation tool--a piece of the picture, just like 40 times, short shuttle, etc.--not the be all and end all to the decision.

True statement since Elway, Marino, and Aikman didn't score high on the test and we all know what kind of careers they had. The test in my opinion is simply what it is......a test.

Errant Hothy
04-25-2005, 02:32 PM
http://www.pipeline.com/~rgibson/Race-Assessment-Reform.htm

Althought it goes into race, something I was trying to avoid, it is a rather interseting read. Be warned it is rather long.

Davis37
04-25-2005, 03:09 PM
Those weren't even the easiest questions. The one with "which does not belong?" with 4 4-sided and one 6 sided shape and "the ninth month of the year is"...real toughies.

good thing you didnt have to take the test huh? You would have made Frank Gore look good by scoring a 2...

PapaL
04-25-2005, 03:42 PM
This sounds great. McKinney is my new Matt Stevens...although that is a little too harsh. :whistle:

LoL, new Matt Stevens. He said Matt Stevens. LoL

F-minus67
04-25-2005, 03:54 PM
Since when does a IQ test determine how good of a player you are?

Vinny
04-25-2005, 03:55 PM
If Peek were a bit smarter he probably plays sooner. NFL schemes are pretty sophisticated.

Rosusu
04-25-2005, 04:10 PM
I am too lazy to quote the comment but dont put down Frank Gore too much. He has learning disabilities and the fact that he could hold his own at Miami is an incredible feat. Watch an interview with him and you understand how great of a young man he really is. The only reason he decided to come out of school early is to take care of his sick mother......a little off topic......

I dont think this test shows anything really, football is football. I guess you can take something into it for the fact that football playbooks are complex but they have been doing it in high school and college for awhile and if it is their entire job just to remember plays I think they can do it.

Vinny
04-25-2005, 04:43 PM
I just read that David Carr had a lower Wonderlic (24) than Travis Johnson (25). So much for bashing TJ over this if true. I'll try to find it later for kicks.

Honoring Earl 34
04-25-2005, 05:05 PM
:thumbup Alex Smith and the Harvard QB both had a 50 on this test . That means don't bet them when playing jeopardy .

Rosusu
04-25-2005, 05:07 PM
Alex Smith is only 20, didnt he already graduate? Fitzpatrick went to Harvard....nothing else needs to be said.

BradK10
04-25-2005, 05:13 PM
I've taken this test once and made a 35 on it, I was very surprised. The main thing is, don't spend too much time on one question, the test is only 12 minutes long. I was taking it for a sales position with Cintas.

Vinny
04-25-2005, 05:16 PM
Capers on 610am right now.

SESupergenius
04-25-2005, 05:17 PM
That is a very good score for a Dlineman. The only problems I have with this pick is that he may not be the best lineman in the draft and we missed on draft an elite LB.
It's funny how before the draft mostly everyone would have said that DJ was a better pick than TJ, but after it it's vice-versa. :hmmm:

Vinny
04-25-2005, 05:22 PM
Capers...Team will be on the practice field Friday and Saturday (twice) and will bring in about 28 new players for the rookie/FA camp.

Capers on Glenn...Met with AG the next morning because they didn't want him to hear from the media first. He said they discussed the trade and the reasoning behind bringing in a young player of Buchanan’s caliber. He said he would accommodate Glenn if he was uncomfortable with the situation. Glenn has talked to other teams already.

Capers talked about Mathis but I missed most of it....The new Center was the State Champion as a wrestler and they feel he has great feet and understands leverage. Lots of coach-speak otherwise. Hes gone now.

texasguy346
04-25-2005, 05:41 PM
That is a very good score for a Dlineman. The only problems I have with this pick is that he may not be the best lineman in the draft and we missed on draft an elite LB.
It's funny how before the draft mostly everyone would have said that DJ was a better pick than TJ, but after it it's vice-versa. :hmmm:

I won't deny that I was among those that thought picking up DJ was a "no brainer". The TJ pick definately surprised me as well as almost everyone else on this board. I thought DJ would be terrific for the Texans, but obviously CC and DC didn't think so. As closely as I follow the Texans, and as much as I'd like to think I'd know who fits and who doesn't with our team it's a given that CC and DC have a much better feel for who fits the team than we do. CC and DC both say that TJ is a better fit for our team, and I really can't argue with that.

BTW there were lots of mocksters who had Browner listed among the top 4 or 5 CBs in the draft early on. I know I felt that Wilkerson might go early in the 2nd Day, and he went undrafted. Things change very quickly, and when it comes to the draft just about everyone ends up being wrong about something.

TexansTrueFan
04-25-2005, 06:19 PM
yeah looks like we are gonna lose glenn :( but i think as good and mature as D. Rob got last season maybe he can help improve PB on some of his skills.

SESupergenius
04-25-2005, 07:06 PM
I am most upset with the 1st two picks we had. All the other I am ok with, especially Mathis (I had us picking him up in our mock draft). The Texans have not been without error the last year and I feel they have missed a couple of picks this year. This by far will be the most interesting year. In no year yet have we had any kind of stabilization on the defense.

texasguy346
04-25-2005, 07:08 PM
I am most upset with the 1st two picks we had. All the other I am ok with, especially Mathis (I had us picking him up in our mock draft). The Texans have not been without error the last year and I feel they have missed a couple of picks this year. This by far will be the most interesting year. I no year yet have we had any kind of stabilization on the defense.

I agree with you about the Mathis pick. He could be one of the bigger steals of the draft when we look back in a few years. I like what I've heard about Hogdgon, but I haven't seen many ASU games. Have to take CC and DC's word for it till we see him on the field.

TexansTrueFan
04-25-2005, 07:10 PM
I am most upset with the 1st two picks we had. All the other I am ok with, especially Mathis (I had us picking him up in our mock draft). The Texans have not been without error the last year and I feel they have missed a couple of picks this year. This by far will be the most interesting year. I no year yet have we had any kind of stabilization on the defense.


well we are making the D younger, which is good for our future, maybe not the present, but it will pay off

SESupergenius
04-25-2005, 07:21 PM
What is the big deal about having everybody being young? You've got to have solid veterans in there as well. This is going to take us a long while to recover from.

BattleRedGuy
04-25-2005, 07:23 PM
Since when does a IQ test determine how good of a player you are?

It is not so much an IQ test and a test of your ability to think quickly. You only have 12 minutes to answer the fifty questions

The NFL game moves pretty quickly, ya know.

ccdude730
04-25-2005, 07:27 PM
What is the big deal about having everybody being young? You've got to have solid veterans in there as well. This is going to take us a long while to recover from.

im not so sure it will take us a long time to recover from but i do believe there is a right mix of veterans that need to be on the team. glenn and others were great helping dunta. i remember after duntas 2nd INT and the long return in the raiders game glenn was the first to go over to dunta. i think glenn might help PB also. oh well. i just hope glenn will stay. :(

Wolf
04-25-2005, 07:52 PM
i am more upset that Glenn could be traded.. whether it is the Texan or his decision.
I REALLY liked how we match up to,say Buffalo and INDY, with Buchanon,DROB and Glenn... and if Glenn goes, I am not saying we won't match up,but it will hurt. I also liked Glenns leadership, being we are trying to get younger, we need someone to show them the way.

hot pickle
04-25-2005, 09:27 PM
you do you guys think some of the undrafted FA will be in camp on friday?
i hope one of them is browner, and with glenn about to leave we need another corner

AndreJ
04-25-2005, 10:41 PM
did he mention anything about drafting someone that has been accused of rape. :woot

Well im glad you find that humourous (Sarcasm, if you're not smart enough to figure that out). TJ was acquitted by and all female jury in less than 30 minutes, that should say enough right there.

infantrycak
04-25-2005, 11:15 PM
did he mention anything about drafting someone that has been accused of rape. :woot

He was acquitted in 30 minutes by the jury. It usually takes longer than that for them to figure out who the foreman(person for the PC crowd). Some of y'all really need to apply the same standards to yourself you apply to players. Ever been ACCUSED of something you didn't do?--doesn't matter, evidently you are still guilty.

vtech9
04-25-2005, 11:51 PM
As far as the wonderlic goes, I know that I wouldn't do very well on it even though I have a pretty high IQ. I am not a fast reader, and tend to re-read each question on a test before I answer it. With only 12 minutes in which to answer 50 questions, I might answer every question correctly, but still only score a 12-15 because I only had time to answer that many. What I'm getting at is that for people like Gore, with learning disabilities, or someone with ADD, or even someone like me that doesn't read very fast, this timed test could give you a false read on the persons intelligence, or thought processes.

SESupergenius
04-26-2005, 12:08 AM
What I'm getting at is that for people like Gore, with learning disabilities, or someone with ADD, or even someone like me that doesn't read very fast, this timed test could give you a false read on the persons intelligence, or thought processes.
Wouldn't that translate into taking a longer time to learn the playbook and instruction?

DominatorDavis
04-26-2005, 01:10 PM
You have Line Backer 2 prospects. On the field both are statsically equal. Both are the same size, speed, and are character guys.

One scores a 22 on the Wonderlic
The other scores a 13

Given that each can *play* football - As a general manager which one do you pick?

I would gather that something like that would not be that big of a difference from round to round but it does create another degree of seperation. It is just another *way* to judge the guys you are going to draft. Some call it biased and I understand thier reasons for saying those types of things - but this is the NFL and you only have room for the best.