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CloakNNNdagger
10-12-2011, 10:52 PM
During the game, I commented to a couple of our TT members that I believed that Foster had re-injured his hamstring. During a play in the 1st half, he appeared to limp off the field. On a couple other shots later in the game, he had a rocking motion to his walk, usually associated with favoring of a lower limb injury. He did have a couple of nice runs later in the game........but these were unresisted. Our Oline, no doubt, looked pretty bad for the most part. But Foster did virtually nothing running between the tackles.....against resistance. He was getting nowhere....and not breaking any tackles. I keep trying to put this out of my mind. But the thought keeps creeping back in.

Carr Bombed
10-12-2011, 10:56 PM
I'll have to rewatch the game, but I thought it was a foot issue. Didn't he roll a ankle or got rolled up on?

Kthx
10-12-2011, 10:59 PM
I think it was partly because Schaub was throwing so badly and or our receivers were running such bad routes that they could bring someone in to crowd the box against the run also.

Shaft75
10-12-2011, 11:00 PM
CND, they're primping out to everyone now that Dre is ready to star working, just got his stitches back.

Could you give us some perspective on AJ?

CloakNNNdagger
10-12-2011, 11:11 PM
CND, they're primping out to everyone now that Dre is ready to star working, just got his stitches back.

Could you give us some perspective on AJ?

Off subject, but I'll give a short thought summary. If there was an actual partial tendon repair, at least 6 weeks. If truly "just a clean up" of scar tissue, this would probably be from an old injury, still minimally 3-4 weeks. If a rupture of one of the small distal tendons with no attempt at repair, but possibly clean up, still 3-4 weeks........and with decreased knee flexion strength long term.

These are what I believe are "should be numbers." I have no idea what the "will be numbers" the Texans will try to go with.

TejasTom
10-12-2011, 11:17 PM
He did come off the field heavily favoring one leg. Sort of a mixture of hopping and skipping.

One of the bad things about being at the game, very little information / replays in the stadium. I usually txt friends for info.

GP
10-12-2011, 11:24 PM
I was there.

He limped off, same little "hitch in his get-along" that we've seen when he's left previous games with the hammy issue bothering him.

After sitting out one play, he tried to walk back onto the field but it appeared to me that Kubiak/Dennison called a certain "package/formation" that would have sent Arian to the sideline had he been in on the previous play...because Arian starts to walk onto the field and then personnel changes started happening and Arian turned on his heel, like a soldier doing an about-face, and was unhappy he had been forced to come to the sideline under such circumstances.

Instead of him inserting himself into the game, or having a confrontation/begging the coaches to be put back in (having to argue with them), the coaches called a personnel package that meant he had to stay on the sideline.

As soon as he came out with that limp, I stopped watching everything else and just focused on Arian to see if he tried to come back in. He did, and almost simultaneously a different personnel package occurred and it relegated him to the sideline.

Gotta' admire his guts and determination. He wants to win. Badly.

ThaShark316
10-12-2011, 11:25 PM
Not going to agree (about the hammy...didn't really see THAT...)

He looked just fine in space on those screens/dumpoffs.

He did get his ankle rolled on that 1st drive. After a while, he was fine. Problem was, OL played like ****.

CloakNNNdagger
10-12-2011, 11:39 PM
Not going to agree (about the hammy...didn't really see THAT...)

He looked just fine in space on those screens/dumpoffs.

He did get his ankle rolled on that 1st drive. After a while, he was fine. Problem was, OL played like ****.

The gait problems I saw were consistent with either hamstring, or even quad,........ but not ankle.

TexansFanatic
10-12-2011, 11:47 PM
I absolutely recall when he came off the field and had that look on his face that said he'd reaggravated it.

Hope that's not true.

If it is, I sure hope Tate's back to full strength.

ThaShark316
10-13-2011, 12:02 AM
The gait problems I saw were consistent with either hamstring, or even quad,........ but not ankle.

You know what? As soon as I posted, I remembered what I saw on the injury report...

Arian was limited in practice..

due to his quad...Cloak wins. I'll pay you in 2 dollar bills. Or +rep...

dream_team
10-13-2011, 12:03 AM
The gait problems I saw were consistent with either hamstring, or even quad,........ but not ankle.

Foster was limited in practice today due to a quad injury... you could be right.

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5469/arian-foster

Texn4life
10-13-2011, 12:13 AM
I wouldn't be overly worried considering he had that long catch and run in the second half. One of the things I see happening though at least until the bye week is his practice reps will probably be limited. It will be nice to have 2 capable backs ready to fill in for him this week so he's not forced to play so many snaps.

Brisco_County
10-13-2011, 02:10 AM
I figured it was ankle because he appeared to be unconcerned. When Arian tweaks the hamstring, his reaction is expressive.

I didn't know that an unsteady gait was only associated to upper leg injuries. I guess concussions or a hit to the ear would be the only other cause, which is clearly not the case.

Norg
10-13-2011, 02:34 AM
i wonder if foster will just be a flash in the pan like slaton was

Endcoachment
10-13-2011, 03:49 AM
Arian also didn't show his normal sprinting capability, I do believe he will be fine this week as it is really only his 2nd and a half week back.

Brisco_County
10-13-2011, 07:59 AM
i wonder if foster will just be a flash in the pan like slaton was

Definitely not.

Vinnie
10-13-2011, 08:18 AM
He said in an interview on 1560 that he limped off because he had a charley horse.

nero THE zero
10-13-2011, 08:20 AM
Off subject, but I'll give a short thought summary. If there was an actual partial tendon repair, at least 6 weeks. If truly "just a clean up" of scar tissue, this would probably be from an old injury, still minimally 3-4 weeks. If a rupture of one of the small distal tendons with no attempt at repair, but possibly clean up, still 3-4 weeks........and with decreased knee flexion strength long term.

These are what I believe are "should be numbers." I have no idea what the "will be numbers" the Texans will try to go with.
FWIW, Kenneth First reported on 610 this morning that AJ's injured hamstring was clipped off. And, he contended that if this were the Super Bowl, he'd be playing on Sunday, but he feels they'll hold him out until the Tennessee game.

HOU-TEX
10-13-2011, 09:24 AM
Arian took a good hit to the side of his quad early in the game. He did limp a little right after the play. I think it's just a muscle bruise.

Maybe he should wear some thigh pads like Earl used to wear. You could roof a small house with those things.

Texan_Bill
10-13-2011, 09:30 AM
Arian took a good hit to the side of his quad early in the game. He did limp a little right after the play. I think it's just a muscle bruise.

Maybe he should wear some thigh pads like Earl used to wear. You could roof a small house with those things.

He said on 1560 that it was a Charley Horse and that the hammy was fine.

HOU-TEX
10-13-2011, 09:32 AM
He said on 1560 that it was a Charley Horse and that the hammy was fine.

Sounds right, he took a good shot on that play

Texan_Bill
10-13-2011, 09:42 AM
Sounds right, he took a good shot on that play

Exactly. I did gasp a bit though when I saw him limping toward the sideline. He was laughing about it on the radio when he said it was a charley horse.

Double Barrel
10-13-2011, 10:05 AM
I hope it was just a charley horse. We need a good game from him if we stand a chance to beat the Ravens, especially with AJ out.

HOU-TEX
10-13-2011, 10:32 AM
I hope it was just a charley horse. We need a good game from him if we stand a chance to beat the Ravens, especially with AJ out.

Agreed! If we don't have a running game Schaub's going to be getting peeled out of the grass. Heck, they took away the Jets running game, got a lead and went after Sanchez from every direction. That D was sick

NitroGSXR
10-13-2011, 11:24 AM
I hope it was just a charley horse. We need a good game from him if we stand a chance to beat the Ravens, especially with AJ out.

I'm feeling pretty good about it with Mason in there instead of JJ. No... I don't mean Mason's awesome or anything like that. I mean that he gives us the ability to spread it out far better than JJ. Schaub has proven to be able to spread out the air raid in AJ's absence. Our offense works with a minimum of 3 viable targets not named JJ.

GP
10-13-2011, 12:22 PM
The gait problems I saw were consistent with either hamstring, or even quad,........ but not ankle.

He was trying to NOT flex the leg at the knee. Trying to keep it as straight as possible, which I think backs up your analysis.

GP
10-13-2011, 12:25 PM
I'm feeling pretty good about it with Mason in there instead of JJ. No... I don't mean Mason's awesome or anything like that. I mean that he gives us the ability to spread it out far better than JJ. Schaub has proven to be able to spread out the air raid in AJ's absence. Our offense works with a minimum of 3 viable targets not named JJ.

Yes, yes, and yes.

Agree on all points you listed.

Accurate route running is what saves Schaub. Accurate route running makes a defense be honest, and gives the run game the split second it needs to create seams for Arian.

Raiders weren't stupid. They knew JJ was not going to be a threat, and they played accordingly. They could shade coverage toward the other WRs and TEs and let the lone CB handle JJ. Easy as pie.

Texans_Chick
10-13-2011, 03:00 PM
Exactly. I did gasp a bit though when I saw him limping toward the sideline. He was laughing about it on the radio when he said it was a charley horse.

Man, muscle cramps can mess you up.

I once played in a outdoor volleyball tourney in +95 degree heat. Game after game. Got a little dehydrated. Jumped for a ball and pretty much collapsed because of a calf cramp. Sat on the ground and watched my calf just twitch painfully and involuntarily for longer than I'd care to experience that sort of thing. Weird just watching it do that. Played through it after drinking some water but that sucker was sore for 2 weeks.

/random, barely related story
//makes me appreciate how sucky muscle cramps can be

Ryan
10-13-2011, 03:18 PM
He still did manage to make some plays in the passing game after he got the injury. I just don't think the running lanes were open. Our offensive line rarely got to the 2nd level.

Rey
10-13-2011, 03:40 PM
Man, muscle cramps can mess you up.

I once played in a outdoor volleyball tourney in +95 degree heat. Game after game. Got a little dehydrated. Jumped for a ball and pretty much collapsed because of a calf cramp. Sat on the ground and watched my calf just twitch painfully and involuntarily for longer than I'd care to experience that sort of thing. Weird just watching it do that. Played through it after drinking some water but that sucker was sore for 2 weeks.

/random, barely related story
//makes me appreciate how sucky muscle cramps can be

When I was in highschool I drank a red bull before a game and after one play my leg got turned a little bit and my foot got stuck in a pigeon toed position. I couldnt move it for anything...The trainers massaged my leg back into place...

But man...back in highschool I used to get these terrible, awful, blood curdling cramps in the middle of the night...I'd wake up the whole house...

I would poor salt in my hands and eat it...The cramps would go away soon after...

I started eating bannanas whenever I saw one and drinking pickle juice and that helped out a lot...

Brisco_County
10-13-2011, 07:56 PM
Gotta love what Texas heat and lack of hydration does to the body.

Kind of off topic, but entertaining:

A few years ago I was an extra in the Alamo movie being filmed in Dripping Springs and Bastrop. It was in the middle of Spring and Summer, and we were wearing thick wool coats over long sleeved costumes. Guys were walking around aimlessly with heat stroke and cramps, while medics were walking around diagnosing people. They provided hundreds of pallets of water and Gatorade, but people weren't drinking one per hour as advised, then they'd get that glazed look in their eyes. The medic would feel the divet in the middle of the collar bone, note there was no sweat, and diagnose as heat stroke. I even saw a guy have a heart attack after charging the Mexican soldiers.