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TimeKiller
10-12-2011, 08:49 AM
2007-

1- Amobi Okoye DT
2- *
3- Jacoby Jones WR
4- Fred Bennett "CB"
5- Brandon Harrison S
5- Brandon Frye OT
6- Kasey Studdard OG
7- Zac Diles LB

*Part of the trade for Matt Schaub

The worst draft of ALL TIME.

Okoye busted bigtime, try to forget who was selected right after him. The trade for Schaub is probably the biggest win here......Jacoby Jones for a 3rd. Sick. Fred Bennett can't even coach. The Brandons, I don't think even played preseason snaps. KASEY STUDDARD!!! AAACCKK!!!! Zac Diles. I guess that's a hit too since he started for a god awful defense for 2 years.

Shoot me. That's terrible. That's a team NOT taking a step right there and in this game if you're not moving forward? You're moving backwards, like Jacoby Jones in the endzone on a busted play.
:toropalm:

Runner
10-12-2011, 09:13 AM
That hurts my eyes.

silvrhand
10-12-2011, 09:21 AM
Ouch....

Texan_Bill
10-12-2011, 09:29 AM
Someone please pour some bleach in my eyes.... Please!! :toropalm:

Thorn
10-12-2011, 09:31 AM
Wow. Now that's one sorry ass draft. :toropalm:

phantom17
10-12-2011, 09:53 AM
YUUCK! Awful reminders! ALL duds here!:toropalm:

Kaiser Toro
10-12-2011, 09:55 AM
For the record, the 2007 draft was Rick Smith's first fail as GM, but not his last.

Cronyism FTW!

TheDream34
10-12-2011, 10:27 AM
Sigh... How Bob McNair continues to ride kubiak and company after all **** ups he has committed is just mind blowing to me

HOU-TEX
10-12-2011, 10:36 AM
Hey, we were just beginning to get on track then, so that doesn't count. :toropalm:

XI CMURDER IX
10-12-2011, 10:41 AM
We need to trade 2nd round draft picks more!

eriadoc
10-12-2011, 10:55 AM
That's funny. I made the same thread (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84525) on August 30th and a few posters sort of politely suggested I was crazy. And I added the 2008 Draft into that argument.

You want to know why it's taken Kubiak longer than he should have been given to create a winning team? Look no further than the 2007 and 2008 drafts. They brought this up on the radio this morning, and it struck a chord with me, so I went and looked up exactly who was taken.

2007
Amobi Okoye - most people knew this was a mistake at the time. I wanted to believe, but even if I was optimistic about Okoye, I knew the team wasn't good enough to waste a 1st round pick on a project.

Jacoby Jones - still with the team, and I know people are always hoping for good things from him, but honestly, if you spend a 3rd round pick on a player, you'd like to see a little more out of him by this point. Still, when compared to the other players from these drafts, JJ is a hit.

Fred Bennett - just .... wow. If the guy was good enough to have the year he had as a rookie, shouldn't he be good enough to be in the league right now? Where the hell is he, anyway?

Brandon Harrison - we've still never drafted a quality safety. Maybe we'll stumble into a homegrown one in Quin.

Brandon Frye - where is he now?

Kasey Studdard - still with the team, but he's not good. Then again, he's a 6th round pick, so I am not bagging on the team for this pick.

Zach Diles - solid player, especially for a 7th round pick. I've never thought he should be a starter, but he should be a quality backup. Is he here this year? I haven't heard from him this preseason, and I've lost track of players due to the lockout.

2008
Duane Brown - best player from these two drafts. He's not the best LT in the league, but he's very good in our system, and I think he's underrated as a run blocker.

Antwaun Molden - when this team had the worst secondary in the history of the NFL, Molden couldn't get on the field. In fact, the team went out and picked up Jason Allen from the scrap heap and started him right away. And I don't buy the "stayed injured" crap, either, because he'd frequently show up on kick coverage. If you're healthy enough to run down the field and collide with people going that speed, then you're healthy enough to put on your best Petey Faggins impression. The only thing worse than Molden's complete lack of impact on the field was Kubiak wasting a roster spot on him every year. If he was so bad that he couldn't get on the field, why take a job from someone else?

Steve Slaton - here's where I know may of you will differ with me, but I was never a real Slaton fan. I just felt like his 1200 yard season was the biggest smoke and mirrors job since Timmy Smith put up 230+ yards rushing in the Super Bowl. I was hoping he'd become our version of Reggie Bush to catch screen passes, take some pitches, and run a few draw plays while our #1 back (that never emerged that year) did the bruising, hard yards. So I give him credit for doing what he did, but I was still unconvinced. Unfortunately, I'll never know whether he could have excelled with a true #1 back doing the dirty work, because the guy fumbles the gloves right off his hands. So now he's gone. Wait ... is it official yet? I don't want to jump the gun.

Xavier Adibi - see Antwaun Molden for my thoughts on this guy.

Frank Okam - should never have drafted the guy if you thought he wasn't going to play motivated, and you should never have drafted the guy if you had any clue he was going to be a waste of human fat. And since they're paid to have a clue about these sorts of things .....

Dominique Barber - This guy is still trying. He's just not that good. I have nothing really against the guy, and especially since he's a 6th round pick, I just can't blast the team too much for this one, but a miss is a miss, no matter what round they come in. The later rounds obviously have more misses. That's just reality.

Alex Brink - I file this one with BJ Symons and Jared Zabransky. I honestly don't think Kubiak ever really had any intention of going with them, since he was only planning to carry two QBs, so I'm not sure why the wasted draft pick. 7th rounder, so I'm not going to kill them over it, but why? *shrug*

Anyway, for that two year period, we are entering the time period when those guys should be the core of the team. We got Duane Brown and Jacoby Jones. I know, we got Matt Schaub as well, but I don't consider him part of the draft, because someone else developed him at the pro level for three years. The Texans didn't scout him, assign a draft grade, and make the hard choice about who to pass up to take him. He's a good pick-up obviously, but the fact that he might be the best argument for those two drafts ought to be indictment enough.

Two drafts at the most critical juncture of the team's history (trying to build from a 2-14 squad), and this is what they come up with. Take away Charlie Casserly and Wade Phillips and take a look at what Smithiak has to show. THAT is why it's taken Kubiak six years to take us to the lofty heights of 3-2 and atop the division.

False Start
10-12-2011, 10:57 AM
http://www.martinloganowners.com/forum/images/smilies/sick.gif

El Tejano
10-12-2011, 11:04 AM
I don't know man, that draft with Travis Johnson was pretty bad.

gtexan02
10-12-2011, 11:08 AM
The 2006 draft class, arguably our most talented ever, has turned into the IR class.

1. Mario Williams (IR 2011, Pectoral)
2. Demeco Ryans (IR 2010, Achilles)
3. Charles Spencer (Career ending injury)
4. Eric Winston (*knock on wood*)
5. Owen Daniels (IR 2009, ACL)
6. Wali Lundy (not talented)
7. David Anderson (*knock on wood*)

Rick_Moon
10-12-2011, 11:10 AM
I regret clicking on this thread now... That 2007 is beyond horrible, and 2008 was awful too.

HTown2ATX
10-12-2011, 11:11 AM
2007-

1- Amobi Okoye DT
2- *
3- Jacoby Jones WR
4- Fred Bennett "CB"
5- Brandon Harrison S
5- Brandon Frye OT
6- Kasey Studdard OG
7- Zac Diles LB

*Part of the trade for Matt Schaub

The worst draft of ALL TIME.

Okoye busted bigtime, try to forget who was selected right after him. The trade for Schaub is probably the biggest win here......Jacoby Jones for a 3rd. Sick. Fred Bennett can't even coach. The Brandons, I don't think even played preseason snaps. KASEY STUDDARD!!! AAACCKK!!!! Zac Diles. I guess that's a hit too since he started for a god awful defense for 2 years.

Shoot me. That's terrible. That's a team NOT taking a step right there and in this game if you're not moving forward? You're moving backwards, like Jacoby Jones in the endzone on a busted play.
:toropalm:


I think that made me Vurp a little bit and burn my mouth.....horrible.

Remember how many seasons the Texans just kept clinging to Okoye? "We've got great kids"

:kubepalm:

Double Barrel
10-12-2011, 11:49 AM
Inept is not just a word in the dictionary. It was FO policy in 2007. That's just pathetic. Even the Sunshine Club has to admit it.

HTown2ATX
10-12-2011, 11:52 AM
Inept is not just a word in the dictionary. It was FO policy in 2007. That's just pathetic. Even the Sunshine Club has to admit it.


NU UH.......THAT WAS A GREAT DRAFT.....IT WAS JUST....IT WAS JUST...........

http://i50.tinypic.com/2zdtzxl.jpg

;)

Runner
10-12-2011, 12:02 PM
Inept is not just a word in the dictionary. It was FO policy in 2007. That's just pathetic. Even the Sunshine Club has to admit it.

Dream on.

For instance:

1) Okoye is still young. Remember, Smith was amazingly brave to pick such a young player. The Texans gave up on him too soon because of the whiners.

2) Jacoby Jones did just fine last week and in his career. Is it his fault his QB sucks and can't get him the ball?

3) The number two picks for Schaub was cheap for a good QB. Is it his fault his receivers outside of AJ suck and can't run routes and catch?

It may seem 2 and 3 contradict, but you just have to be ready to ignore any cognitive dissonance.

=======

Joking aside, I liked the trade for Schaub. I think he's a good enough QB for this team. The rest of the draft...no.

Hervoyel
10-12-2011, 01:08 PM
I'm always interested in how drafts like this echo into future drafts. Taking Okoye instead of Darrelle Revis results in the Texans later needing to draft Antwuan Molden and when he fails Kareem Jackson. If we draft Willis instead of Okoye are we then back taking a linebacker two years later when Cushing is sitting there?

How teams are put together interests me. The process is fascinating. You see Kubiak show up in 2006 and Jason Babin doesn't seem to fit what the great defensive mind of DC Richard Smith has planned BUT... he goes back to 4-3 end where he belongs and manages 5 sacks in 3 starts. The next year in 2007 he's traded to Seattle for a bag of balls and a bad SS. Two years later we're drafting him all over again in Conner Barwin who hopefully can make the transition to OLB that Babin couldn't. IF we'd kept Babin around a little longer (and if Smith or Bush had known how to coordinate a defense) he'd probably have blossomed into the pass rushing 4-3 DE he is today.

It doesn't pay to think too much about how many players the Texans have had and failed to develop over the last ten years.

Dutchrudder
10-12-2011, 04:45 PM
It's not the Texans' fault that the entire 2007 draft class was crap. Most teams didn't do that well either...


right?

IlliniJen
10-12-2011, 05:03 PM
Because the board won't let me all caps without doing regular text first:

HORRIBLE TRANSACTION, WOULD NOT RECOMMEND TO WORST ENEMY. F----------- :toropalm:

TEXANRED
10-12-2011, 05:04 PM
I'll see your 2007 and raise you a 2004 and 2005

2004

1/10 Dunta Robinson Cornerback South Carolina
1/27 (from Tennessee) Jason Babin* Defensive end Western Michigan
4/122 (from Indianapolis) Glenn Earl Safety Notre Dame
6/170 Vontez Duff Cornerback Notre Dame
6/175 (from Jacksonville) Jammal Lord Safety Nebraska
7/210 Raheem Orr Linebacker Rutgers
7/211 Sloan Thomas Wide receiver Texas
7/248 B.J. Symons Quarterback Texas Tech

2005

1/16 (from New Orleans) Travis Johnson Defensive tackle Florida State
3/73 (from Dallas) Vernand Morency Running back Oklahoma State
4/114 Jerome Mathis Wide receiver Hampton
5/151 Drew Hodgdon Center Arizona State
6/188 C.C. Brown Safety Louisiana-Lafayette
7/277 Kenneth Pettway Linebacker Grambling

Double Barrel
10-12-2011, 05:09 PM
Is AJ the only player still on the team from the Capers years?

infantrycak
10-12-2011, 05:13 PM
Is AJ the only player still on the team from the Capers years?

Yes.

steelbtexan
10-12-2011, 05:14 PM
I'm always interested in how drafts like this echo into future drafts. Taking Okoye instead of Darrelle Revis results in the Texans later needing to draft Antwuan Molden and when he fails Kareem Jackson. If we draft Willis instead of Okoye are we then back taking a linebacker two years later when Cushing is sitting there?

How teams are put together interests me. The process is fascinating. You see Kubiak show up in 2006 and Jason Babin doesn't seem to fit what the great defensive mind of DC Richard Smith has planned BUT... he goes back to 4-3 end where he belongs and manages 5 sacks in 3 starts. The next year in 2007 he's traded to Seattle for a bag of balls and a bad SS. Two years later we're drafting him all over again in Conner Barwin who hopefully can make the transition to OLB that Babin couldn't. IF we'd kept Babin around a little longer (and if Smith or Bush had known how to coordinate a defense) he'd probably have blossomed into the pass rushing 4-3 DE he is today.

It doesn't pay to think too much about how many players the Texans have had and failed to develop over the last ten years.

Thanks Rick/Gary both of you = Fail.

Couldn't do worse if they tried. There's a picture of 2 men in over their head. The caption underneath says Rick Smith/Gary Kubiak. Oh well hiring Wade is going to make everything just peachy.

BoBBY you Fail

kiwitexansfan
10-12-2011, 05:17 PM
I'll see your 2007 and raise you a 2004 and 2005

2004

1/10 Dunta Robinson Cornerback South Carolina
1/27 (from Tennessee) Jason Babin* Defensive end Western Michigan
4/122 (from Indianapolis) Glenn Earl Safety Notre Dame
6/170 Vontez Duff Cornerback Notre Dame
6/175 (from Jacksonville) Jammal Lord Safety Nebraska
7/210 Raheem Orr Linebacker Rutgers
7/211 Sloan Thomas Wide receiver Texas
7/248 B.J. Symons Quarterback Texas Tech

2005

1/16 (from New Orleans) Travis Johnson Defensive tackle Florida State
3/73 (from Dallas) Vernand Morency Running back Oklahoma State
4/114 Jerome Mathis Wide receiver Hampton
5/151 Drew Hodgdon Center Arizona State
6/188 C.C. Brown Safety Louisiana-Lafayette
7/277 Kenneth Pettway Linebacker Grambling

2004 was bad.

2005 slightly better, TJ played a good few years for us, Mathis made the probowl, Brown played a good few years.

That is 3/6, not a TERRIBLE draft result.

Second Honeymoon
10-12-2011, 05:25 PM
Wow. Now that's one sorry ass draft. :toropalm:

No. That's one sorry ass GM.

oh and if you really want to get sad, realize that if we had moved up one spot to 9th or not had that meaningless end of season feel-good-for-Kubiak win, we could have had ADRIAN PETERSON!!!! ARGH!!!! Kubiak and his meaningless/pointless/counterproductive end of season wins.

fwiw - we could have had Aaron Curry to help replace Mario and it would have cost us a 7th rounder and a conditional pick (probably another 7th) if he met certain performance.

Instead, we give up the same pick for Derrick Mason who was a cancer to the Jets and is old as Methusula (sic). But of course, Mason doesn't make as much as Curry....draw your own conclusions.

Good thing is that if this season turns sour, the excuse factory may finally be shut down once and for all. Get out of town Rick and take your friend Gary with you.

GO TEXANS

Yankee_In_TX
10-12-2011, 05:32 PM
I regret clicking on this thread now... That 2007 is beyond horrible, and 2008 was awful too.

Seriously, warn a guy, I wanna' drive my suv into a lake now!

Double Barrel
10-12-2011, 05:37 PM
Yes.

I wonder what the average number of players that teams still have on their roster from their 2005 drafts and earlier. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a low number due to the average career length of NFL players, but I would assume it's a number higher than 1.

I'm not really trying to make a statement/point, but just an interesting topic of discussion as an NFL fan.

If anything, with the exception of the 2006 draft (which was most likely influenced by Kubiak), Casserly is about as bad as Matt Millen as a GM. No wonder dude never worked for another team.

Wolf
10-12-2011, 05:57 PM
I think who was drafted and still in the NFL goes like this

2002,
Gafney (washington)
Howard Green (green bay)
HWSNN(Giants)

2003 -AJ (Texans)

2004-D-Rob (Falcons)
Babin (Eagles)


2005-

2006
Mario,Demeco,OD,Winston (Texans)

2007
Okoye(Bears)
Jacoby-Studdard (Texans)
Zac Diles (buccaneers)

VTexan
10-12-2011, 06:20 PM
2007-

1- Amobi Okoye DT
2- *
3- Jacoby Jones WR
4- Fred Bennett "CB"
5- Brandon Harrison S
5- Brandon Frye OT
6- Kasey Studdard OG
7- Zac Diles LB



http://i.imgur.com/H4lEO.gif

RasTaofarI
10-12-2011, 07:58 PM
Texans choose Okoye over Willis for the same reason the Blazers chose Sam Bowie over Jordan. (Ryans = Drexler)
When you already have A guy, how can you tell the guy you skip will be THE guy?

BullNation4Life
10-12-2011, 08:33 PM
2007-

1- Amobi Okoye DT
2- *
3- Jacoby Jones WR
4- Fred Bennett "CB"
5- Brandon Harrison S
5- Brandon Frye OT
6- Kasey Studdard OG
7- Zac Diles LB

*Part of the trade for Matt Schaub

The worst draft of ALL TIME.

Okoye busted bigtime, try to forget who was selected right after him. The trade for Schaub is probably the biggest win here......Jacoby Jones for a 3rd. Sick. Fred Bennett can't even coach. The Brandons, I don't think even played preseason snaps. KASEY STUDDARD!!! AAACCKK!!!! Zac Diles. I guess that's a hit too since he started for a god awful defense for 2 years.

Shoot me. That's terrible. That's a team NOT taking a step right there and in this game if you're not moving forward? You're moving backwards, like Jacoby Jones in the endzone on a busted play.
:toropalm:

Hey Killer, when you get a chance, show us what could have been, legitimately say Round 1-5, in the 2007.

I want to cry one more time...

Texan_Bill
10-12-2011, 08:38 PM
The 2007 draft is on me. I gotta take a look at the film and re-evaluate those kids and get that cleaned up! Either way though, we'll continue to fight. We'll continue to battle through that. We'll "battle fight"..

Signed,

Gary Kubiak

:runaway:

Hervoyel
10-12-2011, 11:13 PM
The 2007 draft is on me. I gotta take a look at the film and re-evaluate those kids and get that cleaned up! Either way though, we'll continue to fight. We'll continue to battle through that. We'll "battle fight"..

Signed,

Gary Kubiak

:runaway:

Gary & Rick "Battle Fighting": :slapfight:

dream_team
10-13-2011, 01:29 AM
Despite all of these draft failures, I think we have one of the more talented teams in the league. I don't think it's talent that's holding us back.

TheMatrix31
10-13-2011, 01:55 AM
No. That's one sorry ass GM.

oh and if you really want to get sad, realize that if we had moved up one spot to 9th or not had that meaningless end of season feel-good-for-Kubiak win, we could have had ADRIAN PETERSON!!!! ARGH!!!! Kubiak and his meaningless/pointless/counterproductive end of season wins.



Balanced by our scooping of Arian Foster as an UDFA, to be sure.

TimeKiller
10-13-2011, 09:23 AM
I wonder what the average number of players that teams still have on their roster from their 2005 drafts and earlier. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a low number due to the average career length of NFL players, but I would assume it's a number higher than 1.

I'm not really trying to make a statement/point, but just an interesting topic of discussion as an NFL fan.

If anything, with the exception of the 2006 draft (which was most likely influenced by Kubiak), Casserly is about as bad as Matt Millen as a GM. No wonder dude never worked for another team.

This is something I'd like to do, at least, take a few teams with more notoreity in the draft and see how well they did. BUT, admittedly, I only know about the Texans to this extent...so....I can try but only if everyone is willing to accept that I might be completely full of shit talking about the Patriots, Packers and.....uh...let's say the Steelers since they've all won a ring recently. I think everyone has pretty much accepted that I'm full of shit anyway so....I'll do it! Later!:toropalm:

Hey Killer, when you get a chance, show us what could have been, legitimately say Round 1-5, in the 2007.

I want to cry one more time...

haha ok, I'll do that later too!

The 2007 draft is on me. I gotta take a look at the film and re-evaluate those kids and get that cleaned up! Either way though, we'll continue to fight. We'll continue to battle through that. We'll "battle fight"..

Um.......
um.......


Can you coach?

Texn4life
10-13-2011, 09:33 AM
My head hurts thinking about the failures of those 2 drafts. I don't think a team could draft much worse than that if they tried. You would think we'd have lucked up somewhere in there. Millions of McNair's dollars were wasted during that time.

Blake
10-13-2011, 09:34 AM
Here are some other teams who have had worst draft classes.

2005 Bengals

1 17 David Pollack LB Georgia
2 48 Odell Thurman MLB Georgia
3 83 Chris Henry WR West Virginia
4 119 Eric Ghiaciuc C Central Michigan
5 153 Adam Kieft T Central Michigan
6 190 Tab Perry WR UCLA
7 233 Jonathan Fanene DE Utah

Players Remaining on the Team: 1 (Fanene)
Players Remaining on a NFL Team: 2( Fanene, Ghiaciuc)

2003 Saints

1 6 Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia
2 37 Jonathan Stinchcomb T Georgia
3 86 Cie Grant LB Ohio State
4 102 Montrae Holland G Florida State
5 155 Melvin Williams DE Kansas State
6 203 Kareem Kelly -- USC
7 231 Talman Gardner WR Florida State

Players Remaining on the Team: 1 (Stichcomb)
Players Remaining on a NFL Team: 2 (Stichcomb- Holland)

2004 Packers

1 25 Ahmad Carroll CB Arkansas
3 70 Joey Thomas CB Montana State
3 72 Donnell Washington DT Clemson
3 87 B.J. Sander P Ohio State
6 179 Corey Williams DT Arkansas State
7 251 Scott Wells C Tennessee

Players Remaning on the Team: 1 (Wells)
Players Remaning on an NFL Roster: 3( Wells, Wiliams, Thomas)

2000 Browns

1 1 Courtney Brown DE Penn State
2 32 Dennis Northcutt WR Arizona
3 63 Travis Prentice RB Miami (Ohio)
3 79 JaJuan Dawson WR Tulane
4 95 Lewis Sanders DB Maryland
4 110 Aaron Shea TE Michigan
5 130 Anthony Malbrough DB Texas Tech
5 146 Lamar Chapman DB Kansas State
6 183 Spergon Wynn QB Texas State
6 206 Brad Bedell T Colorado
7 207 Manuia Savea -- Arizona
7 209 Eric Chandler -- Jackson State
7 225 Rashidi Barnes DB Colorado

Players Remaining on Team: 0
Players Remaining on NFL Team: 1 (Northcutt)

2002 Cardinals

1 12 Wendell Bryant DT Wisconsin
2 49 Levar Fisher LB North Carolina State
3 81 Josh McCown QB Sam Houston State
3 98 Dennis Johnson DE Kentucky
4 113 Nate Dwyer DT Kansas
5 149 Jason McAddley WR Alabama
6 185 Josh Scobey RB Kansas State
7 223 Mike Banks TE Iowa State

Players Remaning on the Team: 0
Players Remaning on a NFL Team: 0

2005 Vikings

1 7 Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
1 18 Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
2 49 Marcus Johnson G Mississippi
3 80 Dustin Fox DB Ohio State
4 112 Ciatrick Fason RB Florida
6 191 C.J. Mosley DT Missouri
7 219 Adrian Ward -- Texas-El Paso

Players Remaining on the Team: 0
Players Remaining on a NFL Team: 2 (Williamson- Mosley)

Texn4life
10-13-2011, 09:48 AM
Here are some other teams who have had worst draft classes.

2005 Bengals

1 17 David Pollack LB Georgia
2 48 Odell Thurman MLB Georgia
3 83 Chris Henry WR West Virginia
4 119 Eric Ghiaciuc C Central Michigan
5 153 Adam Kieft T Central Michigan
6 190 Tab Perry WR UCLA
7 233 Jonathan Fanene DE Utah

Players Remaining on the Team: 1 (Fanene)
Players Remaining on a NFL Team: 2( Fanene, Ghiaciuc)

2003 Saints

1 6 Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia
2 37 Jonathan Stinchcomb T Georgia
3 86 Cie Grant LB Ohio State
4 102 Montrae Holland G Florida State
5 155 Melvin Williams DE Kansas State
6 203 Kareem Kelly -- USC
7 231 Talman Gardner WR Florida State

Players Remaining on the Team: 1 (Stichcomb)
Players Remaining on a NFL Team: 2 (Stichcomb- Holland)

2004 Packers

1 25 Ahmad Carroll CB Arkansas
3 70 Joey Thomas CB Montana State
3 72 Donnell Washington DT Clemson
3 87 B.J. Sander P Ohio State
6 179 Corey Williams DT Arkansas State
7 251 Scott Wells C Tennessee

Players Remaning on the Team: 1 (Wells)
Players Remaning on an NFL Roster: 3( Wells, Wiliams, Thomas)

2000 Browns

1 1 Courtney Brown DE Penn State
2 32 Dennis Northcutt WR Arizona
3 63 Travis Prentice RB Miami (Ohio)
3 79 JaJuan Dawson WR Tulane
4 95 Lewis Sanders DB Maryland
4 110 Aaron Shea TE Michigan
5 130 Anthony Malbrough DB Texas Tech
5 146 Lamar Chapman DB Kansas State
6 183 Spergon Wynn QB Texas State
6 206 Brad Bedell T Colorado
7 207 Manuia Savea -- Arizona
7 209 Eric Chandler -- Jackson State
7 225 Rashidi Barnes DB Colorado

Players Remaining on Team: 0
Players Remaining on NFL Team: 1 (Northcutt)

2002 Cardinals

1 12 Wendell Bryant DT Wisconsin
2 49 Levar Fisher LB North Carolina State
3 81 Josh McCown QB Sam Houston State
3 98 Dennis Johnson DE Kentucky
4 113 Nate Dwyer DT Kansas
5 149 Jason McAddley WR Alabama
6 185 Josh Scobey RB Kansas State
7 223 Mike Banks TE Iowa State

Players Remaning on the Team: 0
Players Remaning on a NFL Team: 0

2005 Vikings

1 7 Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
1 18 Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
2 49 Marcus Johnson G Mississippi
3 80 Dustin Fox DB Ohio State
4 112 Ciatrick Fason RB Florida
6 191 C.J. Mosley DT Missouri
7 219 Adrian Ward -- Texas-El Paso

Players Remaining on the Team: 0
Players Remaining on a NFL Team: 2 (Williamson- Mosley)

Wow! That 2005 Vikings draft is pretty bad. Williamson and James both were projected to be great players. I almost don't feel as sick now.

thunderkyss
10-13-2011, 05:01 PM
Let's say McNair feels that our GM is our "biggest" problem. If you were he, how would you go about "fixing" that position? Who would you try to get in here?

TimeKiller
10-13-2011, 05:34 PM
It's hard to be in the same mindset as the team was then as compared to now...needs and obviously what to think of players...but here I go anyway:

Timekiller's 2007 Cherry Picker/Hindsight is Always 20-20 Draft
1. Darelle Revis- CB. Over Patrick Willis (who I wanted back then) because Demeco was still the man.
2. LeMarr Woodley- DE. In this mock, I'm not trading for Schaub. This guy paired with Williams light the world on fire. With the D I'm building I'm good seeing Sage suck it up for a season.
3. Paul Soliai- DT. The big man. Technically he was a 4th round pick but it's before the Texans picked in the 4th round. Michael Bush (RB) was a temptation too (also a 4th before the Texans picked). Did I just build an epic DL? I damn sure did.
4. Clint Session- LB. Demeco needed a running buddy. Session is unspectacular, yet solid 4-3 backer. And a helluva lot better than Zac Diles or....Morlon Greenwood? Who the hell even played LB then, I can't remember anything past how much it sucked to watch them suck.
5. Kevin Boss- TE. Oh you knew it was going to happen hahaha...
5. William Gay- CB. Improved shoddy depth, I don't really remember his worth as a player, this is kinda a reputation pick. As in, I remember he started for the "vaunted" Pittsburgh defense, so I assume he's totally better than everyone else we had at that point.
6. Brandon Siler- LB. Who would you rather have, Zac Diles?
7. Ahmad Bradshaw- RB. Who would you rather have...................................Zac Diles?


Gotta build on what I started, so here goes:

Timekiller's 2008 Cherry Picker/Hindsight is Always 20-20 Draft
1. Drum roll please......Duane Brown- OT. I think they nailed this one, trade down and all. 20-20!
2. Since there was no Schaub trade...Desean Jackson- WR. Easy.
3. Jermichael Finly- TE. What? YOU KNEW it was going to happen....besides, stud.
3. Mario Manningham- WR. Solidifies depth behind the one, the only, Andre Johnson! And just like that, epic passing game. Even with my QB remaining to be Sage or some other journeyman. Can't possibly go wrong with these 3 selections, AJ and OD. David Carr would look good with this kind of aerial threat. I'm building a team. Not relying on one position, no matter how important it is. Besides, hindsight being 20-20, as the GM I know I've got at least 3 more years to reel in a QB.
4. Tim Hightower- RB. Going down a round to add some thunder in the backfield.
5. Carl Nicks- OG. Beast. Probowler. Champion.
6. Steve Johnson- WR. Reaching into the 7th round here but this guy rounds out an amazing passing attack.
7. Peyton Hillis- HB/FB. James Casey's older brother hahaha...

I just realized I went All D then All O. Just coincidence, I assure you. Besides, don't act like it wouldn't be fun watching all those championship teams!!!!!