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srrono
10-11-2011, 11:14 AM
http://www.thebumpandrun.com/

by Marcus Coleman

The showdown between the Houston Texans and the Oakland Raiders on Sunday was not a game one would brag about as a great game. However, I found it quite interesting. Speaking from a players perspective, I thought both teams showed toughness, and showed as long as you play the game out, both the good and bad plays, there is a chance of winning.

Unfortunately, the Texans came up on the losing end of this battle. There were many mistakes by both teams, penalties, missed assignments, dropped balls and so forth. Which is evident as to why the game came down to the last play. QB Matt Schaub had an opportunity to make a play in the red zone but ultimately has become the scape goat as the pass intended for Jacoby Jones was intercepted by Raiders defensive back Michael Huff. Schaub only had a couple of options due to time constraints and him rolling out to the left gave him one receiver to throw to. His only other option was to run. However, I can't put this all on Schaub. Look below as I explain

During my time as a player with the Jets, every week during our 2 minute period, we worked on the scramble drill. For the offense, if the quarterback rolled out of the pocket, receivers adjust accordingly. That was their responsibility to get open and make it easier on him. From a defensive standpoint, we used it to work on finding and covering the receiver nearest you. It basically turns into cat coverage. I take this cat, you take that cat and play on.


The Texans were in 12 personnel, 1 back and 2 TE's. Owen Daniels is split wide left with Jacoby Jones in the slot. Joel Dreessen is aligned on the right in the normal TE position, with Kevin Walters off the line with a tight split. To the left, Jacoby fades from the slot position with Daniels running an in cut. On the left Dreessen and Walters run a Curl/Flat or Curl Wide.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ncI4UN4u10g/TpNEhZWb9TI/AAAAAAAAARw/aTlG4vK_pII/s1600/Slide1.jpg

As the play develops, Schaub gets pressured and scrambles to his left. Jacoby Jones curls back inward coming back to Schaub. While Schaub is scrambling left, Daniels continues on his in route, Walters sits at the spot where he initially cut off his route but wheels away from Schaub back towards the left. Dreessen's out route takes him out of the play completely.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QH787RKNInc/TpNCzloAZiI/AAAAAAAAARs/MWporIqm9Co/s1600/Slide1.jpg

Going back to the scramble drill, the purpose of this drill is not onlyto get open, but to create space based on which way the play is going. Instead of curling back, Jones should broke down towards the front pilon, Walters should have broken back at a 45 degree angle since Jones pulls his defender with him.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-omRd6Yy2q9s/TpNHfWDLAHI/AAAAAAAAAR0/ZcWZ5K911LA/s1600/Slide1.jpg

When Raiders defensive back Tyvon Branch commits to Schaub, the space for Walters is created. Daniels would have a chance, but has to see it earlier than he did. The forward momentum of Raiders defensive back Huff would not have allowed him to react back to the throw of Walters, especially if Schaub puts it in a good spot.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-F-d5KT3Ne2o/TpNBL_oNFPI/AAAAAAAAARo/LFRnFUUO2e8/s1600/Slide1.jpg

Based on the play, it is possible Schaub could have evaded Branch to score. The Texans are usually good about finding open spaces and sitting down in open zones. This play shows one of two things. Lack of situational awareness, or the injury to Andre Johnson, who normally would draw double coverage on a play like this, has more of an impact than perceived.

chicagotexan2
10-11-2011, 11:16 AM
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thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 11:22 AM
It's plausible.....

Kaiser Toro
10-11-2011, 11:25 AM
One has to wonder if they practice these situations.

NitroGSXR
10-11-2011, 11:40 AM
All I see is that Dreessen, Walter, Daniels, and Foster were on the field. I don't blame Schaub nor JJ. This is on Kubiak. With those four lining up on the field... how do you go to the fella who struggled over the years? The last play of the game is a "money" play so you roll with your "money" players. There's a reason why they're money. They find ways to make a play. We had plenty of them on the field.

infantrycak
10-11-2011, 11:51 AM
All I see is that Dreessen, Walter, Daniels, and Foster were on the field. I don't blame Schaub nor JJ. This is on Kubiak. With those four lining up on the field... how do you go to the fella who struggled over the years? The last play of the game is a "money" play so you roll with your "money" players. There's a reason why they're money. They find ways to make a play. We had plenty of them on the field.

The play was designed to go to the right to the "money" players but the pass protection broke down on the right and flushed Schaub left.

Vinny
10-11-2011, 12:01 PM
The play was designed to go to the right to the "money" players but the pass protection broke down on the right and flushed Schaub left.
exactly...Teams take away your strength and make you beat them with your lesser players. Flushing Schaub to his non throwing side was exactly textbook stuff from the Raiders. Our lesser players could not step up when the Raiders took away the prime option.

thetexanator
10-11-2011, 12:04 PM
Schaub made a POOR THROW.


O(H)X(JJ)--->throw to JJ's right.(his momentum was going right)


or

throw it over JJ's head to the back of the end zone and let him make a play.

what did schaub do? threw it straight and under and let huff step in front.BAD THROW. he choked

76Texan
10-11-2011, 12:24 PM
The sad part is that the Raiders played with only 10 men on the field.
Even if Schaub can't count quickly enough (due to stress of the situation), he should have realized single coverage on the right and rolled right; the Raiders would have only 3 defenders to cover 4 (including Schaub).

NitroGSXR
10-11-2011, 12:26 PM
The play was designed to go to the right to the "money" players but the pass protection broke down on the right and flushed Schaub left.

I didn't quite see that but I'll definitely buy it in that case. Don't get me wrong, I'm not even remotely a Kubiak hater or anything like that. I just have a problem with JJ being utilized as a relief valve in crunch time.

Juh-co-bee Jones.

Vinny
10-11-2011, 12:28 PM
I didn't quite see that but I'll definitely buy it in that case. Don't get me wrong, I'm not even remotely a Kubiak hater or anything like that. I just have a problem with JJ being utilized as a relief valve in crunch time.

Juh-co-bee Jones.Daniels and Foster should be behind Jones in the progression?

Vinny
10-11-2011, 12:30 PM
The sad part is that the Raiders played with only 10 men on the field.
Even if Schaub can't count quickly enough (due to stress of the situation), he should have realized single coverage on the right and rolled right; the Raiders would have only 3 defenders to cover 4 (including Schaub).
impossible to roll right. Watch the play. The Raiders did what you are supposed to do...flush a right handed qb to the left. Watch Jones "helping" Schaub. It's so bad its almost funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uS4AsE9rOQc

NitroGSXR
10-11-2011, 12:40 PM
Daniels and Foster should be behind Jones in the progression?

I don't understand your question?

Let me try to restate... like you said... flushing a right-handed QB to the left... With that... I think planning to leave just JJ alone back there with him in that scenario was in poor taste. We had 5 weapons, 4 of them proven (even if only quasi-proven). There was some weak gameplanning there. Throw JJ over the middle along with the other two. Basically, switch out OD and JJ in that route. The play design was fine... its just that it was poor placement of players more than anything else. Jacoby Jones is NOT Marques Colston and it seems that the Texans think he is...

gtexan02
10-11-2011, 12:42 PM
impossible to roll right. Watch the play. The Raiders did what you are supposed to do...flush a right handed qb to the left. Watch Jones "helping" Schaub. It's so bad its almost funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uS4AsE9rOQc

Nice video. Here is what I can see from the video:

1. Schaub had enough time to make his initial read. If he had hit Dreesen in the numbers right as he turned around, game winning TD.

2. Schaub did not need to flush left. He could have stepped straight up. If he had, he would have likely seen Dreesen come open in the middle of the end zone (assuming Daniels stayed where he was)

3. Jacboy was absolutely horrific on the play. He runs a quick immediate slant and then basically just stands around with his arms looking weird. It looks to me like a guy who had zero clue the play could possibly come to him panicking at the last second.

4. Most importantly, when Schaub breaks the pocket and is running left with Branch bearing down on him, its obviously a busted play. He had 3 seconds left. A quick throw to the back of the end zone gives us a chance for another snap with time left to call a new play.

thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 01:14 PM
Nice video. Here is what I can see from the video:

1. Schaub had enough time to make his initial read. If he had hit Dreesen in the numbers right as he turned around, game winning TD.

I thought the same thing, before that, he could have hit Walter in the endzone.... just put the ball a head of him & let him make a play.

2. Schaub did not need to flush left. He could have stepped straight up. If he had, he would have likely seen Dreesen come open in the middle of the end zone (assuming Daniels stayed where he was)

Wade Smith is getting sexually abused right in front of him. I agree he didn't need to start running to the endzone, he could have reset & shot the ball over to Jacoby who was running back towards Schaub at that point, the CB on his back.

3. Jacboy was absolutely horrific on the play. He runs a quick immediate slant and then basically just stands around with his arms looking weird. It looks to me like a guy who had zero clue the play could possibly come to him panicking at the last second.

Looked to me like he was running to the Pylon, for a fade.... got to the back of the endzone, turned around & ran towards Schaub. He's probably the only one to do anything that resembled a scramble drill. Walter & Daniels are in the endzone run blocking for Schaub I guess.

Once Schaub broke out of the pocket, Jacoby goes back to the back of the endzone & runs left with Schaub.... all Schaub had to do was lob it over Huffs head & give Jacoby a shot.

4. Most importantly, when Schaub breaks the pocket and is running left with Branch bearing down on him, its obviously a busted play. He had 3 seconds left. A quick throw to the back of the end zone gives us a chance for another snap with time left to call a new play.

Yeah....

76Texan
10-11-2011, 01:28 PM
impossible to roll right. Watch the play. The Raiders did what you are supposed to do...flush a right handed qb to the left.


If Schaub had to wait until the play developed to start his roll, he is not vergy good in his pre-snap read.

Either he changes the protection call, or (without changing it) he can take the snap and immediately follow Foster to the right.
This is not the time to stay with the script, not when you know you have an advantage over the D.

On the play just before that, Schaub had scrambled to his right to extend the play. That was without the Raiders messing up on their personnel.
If Schaub can't do it on this play, he's not going to go very far in this league.

Eleven on ten and you let the D dictate the action?
:toropalm:

infantrycak
10-11-2011, 01:40 PM
what did schaub do? threw it straight and under and let huff step in front.BAD THROW. he choked

No because he threw it where a non-brain dead WR would go which is come to the goal line (or head to either pylon) and cut off Huff. JJ went in the absolutely worst direction possible.

I didn't quite see that but I'll definitely buy it in that case.

Both Kubiak and Schaub stated it was designed to the right.

If Schaub had to wait until the play developed to start his roll, he is not vergy good in his pre-snap read.

Well both Kubiak and Schaub also said they got exactly the look from the D they wanted when they called the play so failing at pre-snap read wasn't the problem.

80tothezone
10-11-2011, 01:45 PM
Schaub made a POOR THROW.


O(H)X(JJ)--->throw to JJ's right.(his momentum was going right)


or

throw it over JJ's head to the back of the end zone and let him make a play.

what did schaub do? threw it straight and under and let huff step in front.BAD THROW. he choked

not really.... jj had position on the db if he had cut the opposite way matt could have thrown a fade to the corner of the zone rlly though it was a botched play that falls 100% on the OL.

thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 01:46 PM
No because he threw it where a non-brain dead WR would go which is come to the goal line (or head to either pylon) and cut off Huff. JJ went in the absolutely worst direction possible.


Yeah..... going to the back pylon was an option.

76Texan
10-11-2011, 01:58 PM
Well both Kubiak and Schaub also said they got exactly the look from the D they wanted when they called the play so failing at pre-snap read wasn't the problem.

The SDE lining up far outside; the movement of the TE (Dresseen) out of his release will deter him (the SDE) a little more; Schaub has got to roll right immediately.

There was also a double-team of Myers and Brisiel on the LDT.

If Schaub rolls right and the SDE goes wide with him, Wisnton would have stepped wider as well.
Schaub can then scramble up the C gap just like the play before when he completed the 34yd pass to Dreessen on 3rd and 23.

run-david-run
10-11-2011, 02:11 PM
Well, after seeing a replay, there's no way Matt makes it if he runs. The only chance was to throw it to JJ as he was coming back, about a second before he actually threw it. Looks like the Raiders defended the play pretty well.

TimeKiller
10-11-2011, 02:16 PM
I think it's pretty fair to say nobody did what they were supposed to do.

There was one replay that showed Schaub looking downfield, Daniels crossing and the Walter crossing over the middle and Schaub seemed hesitant to hum one over....possibly the effect of getting passes batted down all day? IDK but if that's me, in that spot, I gun it to Walter or Daniels who are the two best options on the field. Covered or not, they've got the best hands/best game to rely on. I think an incompletion probably left at least :01 on the clock for another stab. IDK, like I said, nobody did anything right there.

Goatcheese
10-11-2011, 02:17 PM
Just saw these and couldn't help but say "JJ! :toropalm:" Why would you retreat when you have Huff stuck behind and nothing but green grass ahead?

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i174/SchoonPK/VictoryorDefeat.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i174/SchoonPK/Defeat.jpg

From the other thread on this play.

Dutchrudder
10-11-2011, 02:18 PM
Here's video of the play:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/houston-texans/09000d5d822fa5f7/Raiders-defense-INT?continuous=true

It's interesting to see Walter in the middle in front of his DB, but still 2 yards into the end zone. That's what Jacoby should have been doing, keep the DB behind you and make yourself open for a pass.

And no, Matt does not make the TD if he runs with it. Trying for the pass was the right call, but unfortunately poorly executed.

infantrycak
10-11-2011, 02:30 PM
The SDE lining up far outside; the movement of the TE (Dresseen) out of his release will deter him (the SDE) a little more; Schaub has got to roll right immediately.

There was also a double-team of Myers and Brisiel on the LDT.

If Schaub rolls right and the SDE goes wide with him, Wisnton would have stepped wider as well.
Schaub can then scramble up the C gap just like the play before when he completed the 34yd pass to Dreessen on 3rd and 23.

Well maybe you can e-mail that play suggestion into Kubiak, but they got the exact look they wanted for a designed drop back pass so Schaub was not going to "roll right immediately."

NitroGSXR
10-11-2011, 02:47 PM
No because he threw it where a non-brain dead WR would go which is come to the goal line (or head to either pylon) and cut off Huff. JJ went in the absolutely worst direction possible.



Both Kubiak and Schaub stated it was designed to the right.



Well both Kubiak and Schaub also said they got exactly the look from the D they wanted when they called the play so failing at pre-snap read wasn't the problem.

I understand a lot better. Thanks. That being said, you sound like you don't have much confidence in JJ either.

Eff it. Im just going to roll with an outstanding busted play by the Raider defense. I read an article on NFL.com that described the Raiders experiencing this exact play before in week 2. They learned from it and busted this one up. I bet we learn from this one as well.

kiwitexansfan
10-11-2011, 02:55 PM
Side note: is that former Texan Marcus Coleman?

Would love to have him as our cb2.

Double Barrel
10-11-2011, 02:59 PM
impossible to roll right. Watch the play. The Raiders did what you are supposed to do...flush a right handed qb to the left. Watch Jones "helping" Schaub. It's so bad its almost funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uS4AsE9rOQc

I did not notice before, but interesting to see Tommy Kelly run up to JJ right after the play and start jawing at him. There was some hustle in that defense.

I don't understand what Jones was trying to accomplish. I know these things are happening real time, split-second stuff, but it would seem that instincts should kick in at the pro level. These guys have been playing since peewee ball, and some of the lessons taught to young players were lost on JJ.

As soon as Schaub started rolling left, Jones should have recognized that the play was out of position and ran parallel with him in front of his defender. Like 'cak mentioned, head to the pylon. This is lessons my 9 year old learned in peewee football, so it's bizarre to see a pro out there flapping his wings and looking clueless.

infantrycak
10-11-2011, 03:07 PM
That being said, you sound like you don't have much confidence in JJ either.

He had a real bad day Sunday culminating in a real bad play. The kid (j/k kind of) has all sorts of potential but doesn't seem to put it together. This is his fifth year. If he hasn't put it together yet while practicing with three excellent route runners in AJ, OD and Walter I can't see where it is all the sudden going to come from. I devoutly hope to be proven wrong.

CloakNNNdagger
10-11-2011, 03:21 PM
I understand a lot better. Thanks. That being said, you sound like you don't have much confidence in JJ either.

Eff it. Im just going to roll with an outstanding busted play by the Raider defense. I read an article on NFL.com that described the Raiders experiencing this exact play before in week 2. They learned from it and busted this one up. I bet we learn from this one as well.

Silly Wabbit :pop::)

nero THE zero
10-11-2011, 03:30 PM
impossible to roll right. Watch the play. The Raiders did what you are supposed to do...flush a right handed qb to the left. Watch Jones "helping" Schaub. It's so bad its almost funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uS4AsE9rOQc

Agreed. Marcus Coleman said it in his blog, but if bears repeating. There was ample space in the corner of the end zone for Jacoby to move toward and give the play a fair chance. He is equally as liable for the result of the play as Schaub is.

dream_team
10-11-2011, 03:46 PM
It's easy to say what Schaub should have done when you have the luxury of seeing the whole field in slow motion and repeat.

I think this season is showing who the true MVP of this team is... Andre Johnson!

Double Barrel
10-11-2011, 03:52 PM
It's easy to say what Schaub should have done when you have the luxury of seeing the whole field in slow motion and repeat.

I think this season is showing who the true MVP of this team is... Andre Johnson!

I was yelling "throw it away!" as soon as he started rolling left and it was obvious that JJ was covered. 2-3 seconds left on the clock for another attempt.

If little ol' me can recognize good coverage, then highly-paid pro-bowler Schaub should have no problem.

gary
10-11-2011, 03:53 PM
Kevin should have stopped his route but he kept on running to the left and Jones should have ran towards the back left corner of the end zone but instead he checked up and ran back to the Pylon.

Kimmy
10-11-2011, 04:12 PM
He's going to be at Whataburger tonight in Pearland. Someone should go ask him. Oh, and find out why he's not taking callers anymore.

This ought to be rich ...

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gary
10-11-2011, 04:22 PM
It looks like Dressen and Foster are pretty much the only ones who stayed true to their routes.

Surreal McCoy
10-11-2011, 04:24 PM
lol Yeah, I think I'll go with the consensus here that Schaub is garbage rather than Marcus Coleman. I mean, his career wasn't that great anyway and he's obviously not that knowledgeable about football. :tiptoe:

NitroGSXR
10-11-2011, 04:49 PM
Silly Wabbit :pop::)

Have we tried the halfback pass since what was it? '08?

;)

We learned.

Texanmike02
10-11-2011, 05:22 PM
Schaub looks to me like at the very second he chooses to throw it to JJ that JJ changes his direction. Schaub alligator arms it for one of two reasons, he's not sure he's doing the right thing OR and I think this is it, for some reason Jacoby gives up position. If Jacoby just holds his ground he's good. If you watch http://www.nfl.com/videos/houston-texans/09000d5d822fa5f7/Raiders-defense-INT?continuous=true

at the 8 second mark jacoby looks like he is about to "post up" Huff. He gets position and spreads his arms. He had position the entire time and right as schaub goes to throw it JJ inexplicably turns to the back of the endzone. Sad, really sad.

Schaub missed one opportunity to throw the ball but he would have been throwing the ball into the defense that had already batted 10% of the passes he threw down that day, and the right side no less. His next opportunity seemed to be communicated by JJ and then abandoned.

Mike

Double Barrel
10-11-2011, 05:32 PM
lol Yeah, I think I'll go with the consensus here that Schaub is garbage rather than Marcus Coleman. I mean, his career wasn't that great anyway and he's obviously not that knowledgeable about football. :tiptoe:

Perhaps I overlooked it, or maybe you're engaging in a bit of baited hyperbole, but I'm not getting the feeling that anyone in this thread is considering Schaub to be "garbage".

If talking football strategy and breaking down a crucial play with other fans is not your thing, in the words of a very well respected poster who did not direct his comment toward you but it still seems applicable:

Without meaning to put anything at all between the lines here "Perhaps internet message boards are not for you?"

:hmmm:

False Start
10-11-2011, 05:43 PM
Very good breakdown. I help Marcus out with his blog, he hopes to get more things going soon, so keep a lookout.

Surreal McCoy
10-11-2011, 06:33 PM
Perhaps I overlooked it, or maybe you're engaging in a bit of baited hyperbole, but I'm not getting the feeling that anyone in this thread is considering Schaub to be "garbage".

If talking football strategy and breaking down a crucial play with other fans is not your thing, in the words of a very well respected poster who did not direct his comment toward you but it still seems applicable:



:hmmm:

You're right Double, it's all been Xs & Os here, huh?

:toropalm:

Lucky
10-11-2011, 06:46 PM
You're right Double, it's all been Xs & Os here, huh?


Led by your astute analysis as usual. You've really brought a lot to the discussion here.

Texanmike02
10-11-2011, 07:32 PM
You're right Double, it's all been Xs & Os here, huh?

:toropalm:

What's this hugs and kisses business?

Mike

Double Barrel
10-12-2011, 11:09 AM
You're right Double, it's all been Xs & Os here, huh?

Unless I have overlooked it, you are the one that first mentioned "Schaub is garbage" in this thread.

But thanks for sharing your sunshine with the rest of us, Sunshine. :thisbig:

badboy
10-12-2011, 12:13 PM
SImple. play breaks down immediately, no options, throw ball out of bounds. call another play.