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SteveSlaton20
10-11-2011, 05:40 AM
For the first round next year, what's our biggest need?
Draft a NT? #2 WR? #2 CB?

What do you think? IMO, I think we should go after a NT, but this class doesn't have great NT, or so I've heard, and this year's WRs are ridiculously good.

Justin Blackmon, Alshon Jeffery, Michael Floyd, Jeff Fuller, hell even Ryan Broyles even tho he's short.

HJam72
10-11-2011, 07:16 AM
I think it comes down to what you brought up: BPA among those positions.

HJam72
10-11-2011, 07:17 AM
Oh, by the way, I don't think we're gonna solve the CB issue with the draft, which likely would just get us another KJ. It's probly gotta be a FA.

beerlover
10-11-2011, 10:47 AM
A physical, unstoppable pass rusher with interior, trench strength & quickness to beat double teams. Mario is hurt & look at the drop off, plus he is probably going to be franchised, how can they reach a long term contract with his injury track record. For Wade Phillips defense to work its predicated on a dynamic pass rush. Look @ WR in 2nd & RG in 3rd, then CB, CB, CB throw in a FB or project NT.

steelbtexan
10-11-2011, 11:33 AM
I would let MW walk after franchising him and hopefully trading him for a 1st and a 3rd.

Then picking up a a 2nd CB like Carlos Rodgers, a NT like Soliai or a WR like Bowe or V.Jackson with the $$$$ saved would be the way I would go. You could probably sign 2 of the 3 FA's I mentioned with MW's saved.

Plus you would have two 1sts a 2nd and two 3rds to move around and try to find a younger healthier version of MW and add more quality depth to the team at DE, WR, OL.

I know this is thinking outside the box and I'm not a MW hater. The MW $$$$ would be better spent this way. IMHO

Biggest needs are 1. WR2 and CB2.

Vinny
10-11-2011, 11:44 AM
A better GM/HC combo

Honoring Earl 34
10-11-2011, 11:51 AM
A better GM/HC combo


Well if we're going combos it's usually a burger , fries , and drink . So I'll go Gruden , ? , and RGIII .

beerlover
10-11-2011, 12:24 PM
A better GM/HC combo

do you really think this will change anytime soon :kitten:

Doppelganger
10-11-2011, 12:38 PM
do you really think this will change anytime soon :kitten:

I think this is it. If the Texans don't make the playoffs in a year when the Colts are decimated, the Jags are in major rebuilding mode and the Titans are wildly inconsistent. If the Texans can't make the playoffs this year, I can't see how Kubes/Smith can keep their jobs.

Vinny
10-11-2011, 12:41 PM
do you really think this will change anytime soon :kitten:
no. We will back into the playoffs with 8-9 wins and will be one and done. The Franchise will be giddy and hurt their hands patting themselves on the back just like they did when the team went 9-7. Probably extend RS and Kubiak at that point. Kubiak's a lame duck coach next season so I bet McNair extends him and tries to sell the fans on the fact that we are a "playoff team" now. They already told us they were "winners" when we were 9-7. That and a dollar gets you a large coke at McDonalds though.

steelbtexan
10-11-2011, 12:47 PM
A better GM/HC combo

^^^^
This

BattleRedToro
10-11-2011, 01:39 PM
For the first round next year, what's our biggest need?
Draft a NT? #2 WR? #2 CB?

What do you think? IMO, I think we should go after a NT, but this class doesn't have great NT, or so I've heard, and this year's WRs are ridiculously good.

Justin Blackmon, Alshon Jeffery, Michael Floyd, Jeff Fuller, hell even Ryan Broyles even tho he's short.

The Texans' biggest need is Quarterback.

SteveSlaton20
10-11-2011, 02:49 PM
The Texans' biggest need is Quarterback.

get the frick out.

Texan4Ever
10-11-2011, 04:39 PM
Well if we're going combos it's usually a burger , fries , and drink . So I'll go Gruden , ? , and RGIII .

Who's the guy in the bold?


Here's my take:

1.) WR

2.) NT

3.) DB

4.) RB

5.) TE (like always)

Honoring Earl 34
10-11-2011, 04:44 PM
Who's the guy in the bold?


Here's my take:

1.) WR

2.) NT

3.) DB

4.) RB

5.) TE (like always)

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/378497/robert-griffin-iii

Wolf6151
10-11-2011, 05:03 PM
Our biggest needs after head coach and GM:
NT, CB, WR, OG, ILB, DE, OLB, FS

My assessment of needs in the order I'd pick them:
CB, WR, NT, OG, ILB, DE, FS

Rey
10-11-2011, 05:17 PM
This team has talent...

I don't even care what players we draft next year if this coaching staff is still here and still presenting the same ****** *** product.

BattleRedToro
10-11-2011, 05:31 PM
get the frick out.

I'm serious.

I feel like Matt Schaub has regressed this year. Rewatch the first 5 games and tell me he hasn't been erratic. He's already 30 yrs old, so he probably isn't going to get any better. Actually, over the next few years he will likely continue to decline, although I don't believe it will be a precipitous decline.

If the Texans had more consistent and better play from their QB they would easily be 4-1, and likely 5-0 right now. The Texans would have blown out the Colts, Dolphins, Steelers, and Raiders. The Saints game would have been a win but not the curb-stomping that the other 4 games would have been. Right now the Texans should be the talk of the league much like the Lions are, but they're not because Matt Schaub is holding them back.
:pop:

SteveSlaton20
10-11-2011, 09:47 PM
I'm serious.

I feel like Matt Schaub has regressed this year. Rewatch the first 5 games and tell me he hasn't been erratic. He's already 30 yrs old, so he probably isn't going to get any better. Actually, over the next few years he will likely continue to decline, although I don't believe it will be a precipitous decline.

If the Texans had more consistent and better play from their QB they would easily be 4-1, and likely 5-0 right now. The Texans would have blown out the Colts, Dolphins, Steelers, and Raiders. The Saints game would have been a win but not the curb-stomping that the other 4 games would have been. Right now the Texans should be the talk of the league much like the Lions are, but they're not because Matt Schaub is holding them back.
:pop:

Did you or did you not see our great offensive line last week? Even Tom Brady would've played terrible in that game. I'm not gonna say he didn't play flawlessly, because he didn't, but this game isn't on him. And I'm pretty sure we blew the Colts out...

E: And maybe the only rookie I can see doing better than Matt Schaub right away is Andrew Luck, but that's a big maybe. You're dumb if you think we can draft a QB that can take Schaub's place right away. And there's no way we're getting Luck. Maybe Weeden, IDK, but QB isn't our biggest need.

BattleRedToro
10-12-2011, 06:29 AM
Did you or did you not see our great offensive line last week? Even Tom Brady would've played terrible in that game. I'm not gonna say he didn't play flawlessly, because he didn't, but this game isn't on him. And I'm pretty sure we blew the Colts out...

E: And maybe the only rookie I can see doing better than Matt Schaub right away is Andrew Luck, but that's a big maybe. You're dumb if you think we can draft a QB that can take Schaub's place right away. And there's no way we're getting Luck. Maybe Weeden, IDK, but QB isn't our biggest need.

I'm not advocating starting a rookie QB right away. I'm advocating drafting a QB high in the draft and letting him learn behind Schaub for atleast a year. Green Bay did the same thing when Brett Favre's skills began to fade away. I know Favre was much older than Schaub when that happened. Favre was also a lot better than Schaub to begin with, so Favre had a lot farther to fall until he became an average QB. Favre also had a skill set to bail him out that Schaub has never had. He had a strong arm and could throw well on the run.

Honoring Earl 34
10-12-2011, 07:14 AM
I'm not advocating starting a rookie QB right away. I'm advocating drafting a QB high in the draft and letting him learn behind Schaub for atleast a year. Green Bay did the same thing when Brett Favre's skills began to fade away. I know Favre was much older than Schaub when that happened. Favre was also a lot better than Schaub to begin with, so Favre had a lot farther to fall until he became an average QB. Favre also had a skill set to bail him out that Schaub has never had. He had a strong arm and could throw well on the run.

If you draft a rookie then he and Schaub would be learning a new offense . In other words if you draft a QB high , Kubiaks already been canned .

BattleRedToro
10-12-2011, 12:29 PM
If you draft a rookie then he and Schaub would be learning a new offense . In other words if you draft a QB high , Kubiaks already been canned .

That isn't necessarily true. The Texans could draft a future starting QB even if they make the playoffs and keep Kubiak and Schaub.

badboy
10-12-2011, 12:35 PM
That isn't necessarily true. The Texans could draft a future starting QB even if they make the playoffs and keep Kubiak and Schaub.I am not seeing many results from having a QB "guru" in Kubiak. Grossman got another job but not doing very well. Has anyone seen vast improvements in any QB under Gary's reign as Texans coach? Schaub's may have been natural development with getting more play. I am not happy with Matt's 'flattening" passes last two years.

SteveSlaton20
10-13-2011, 05:18 AM
I'm not advocating starting a rookie QB right away. I'm advocating drafting a QB high in the draft and letting him learn behind Schaub for atleast a year. Green Bay did the same thing when Brett Favre's skills began to fade away. I know Favre was much older than Schaub when that happened. Favre was also a lot better than Schaub to begin with, so Favre had a lot farther to fall until he became an average QB. Favre also had a skill set to bail him out that Schaub has never had. He had a strong arm and could throw well on the run.

1. Whenever I said our biggest need, I meant for next year, and a new franchise QB is not our biggest need.
2. When you have a franchise QB, and you draft another franchise QB, it creates problems in the locker room.
3. One thing about the Green Bay Packers and Aaron Rodgers, is that they had actual talents around them. WR, TE, CB, LB, DL, RB, etc. We don't have that. Whenever you're gonna get a franchise QB, you make a team around him before you draft one if you really want him to be successful.

We never had a #2 WR, and Jacoby Jones is terrible, needs to be cut. We cannot just depend on Andre and Owen Daniels. I like KW, but he needs to be a slot, not a real #2 WR, can't take over a game. We do not have anyone not named AJ or OD that can take over a game(ie Jordy Nelson in the Super Bowl, 9 rec, 140 yards, 1 TD). The Packers are loaded at WR, Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, Jordy Nelson, James Jones and Randall Cobb, who's going to be special in this league. About all of them can take over a game, maybe except Driver now. And not to mention, they are great at TE. Jermichael Finely who's a complete beast and could be one of best TE in the league, Donald Lee(plays for Bengals now) who played great after Finley went on IR, Tom Crabtree who is good but not special(ie Joel Dreesen) and Quarless. They drafted another TE in DJ Williams from Arkansas, who's not gonna play right away, but could be another special player. He would probably be #2 TE if he was a little bit taller and a year or two experience, but was a special player in college and could be in the NFL. He's their 3rd TE, 5th round pick.

And IDK if you were watching last week, but Jason Allen's been playing soft and gives up a lot of yards, and Kareem Jackson is probably a bust unless he can prove otherwise. Jason Allen was one of the reasons why the game was close and why we lost, even tho he had an interception early in the game. Green Bay Packers, they do not have this problem because they are loaded at the DB's positions, Charles Woodson, Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Nick Collins, etc. A #2 CB is very important, he needs to be able to take away one side of the field and help create turnovers. That's what the Packers are very good at and main reason why they were able to beat the Steelers in the SB. Taking away just one side of the field can only go so far, and if we want to make the Playoffs, and Super Bowl too, we need a #2 CB desperately. Preferably in the FA, but wouldn't mind we drafted another one, but a proven one unlike KJ.

And if you look at the teams with top 3-4 Defenses, especially the ones that made it into the playoffs last year, about all of them had a giant in the middle at NT. IIRC, every top 10 defense had a 325+ pounds NT that are in a 3-4. And it's yet, another position the GB Packers are dominant at. BJ Raji, one of the best NT in the league, is 6'2'', 337 lbs. Hell, even their backup NT is 340 lbs. I know Wade Phillips prefers smaller guys, but Shaun Cody(6'4'', 300 lbs) and Earl Mitchell(6'3'' 289 lbs) aren't special and it's imo a position that we need to be dominant at to be a threat in the league. IDK if there's any good NT in the FA next year, but I prefer us to draft a young guy and hopefully make him become the next BJ Raji.

Considering all of that, do you seriously want to draft a QB? Like seriously?

BattleRedToro
10-16-2011, 12:25 AM
1. Whenever I said our biggest need, I meant for next year, and a new franchise QB is not our biggest need.
2. When you have a franchise QB, and you draft another franchise QB, it creates problems in the locker room.
3. One thing about the Green Bay Packers and Aaron Rodgers, is that they had actual talents around them. WR, TE, CB, LB, DL, RB, etc. We don't have that. Whenever you're gonna get a franchise QB, you make a team around him before you draft one if you really want him to be successful.

We never had a #2 WR, and Jacoby Jones is terrible, needs to be cut. We cannot just depend on Andre and Owen Daniels. I like KW, but he needs to be a slot, not a real #2 WR, can't take over a game. We do not have anyone not named AJ or OD that can take over a game(ie Jordy Nelson in the Super Bowl, 9 rec, 140 yards, 1 TD). The Packers are loaded at WR, Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, Jordy Nelson, James Jones and Randall Cobb, who's going to be special in this league. About all of them can take over a game, maybe except Driver now. And not to mention, they are great at TE. Jermichael Finely who's a complete beast and could be one of best TE in the league, Donald Lee(plays for Bengals now) who played great after Finley went on IR, Tom Crabtree who is good but not special(ie Joel Dreesen) and Quarless. They drafted another TE in DJ Williams from Arkansas, who's not gonna play right away, but could be another special player. He would probably be #2 TE if he was a little bit taller and a year or two experience, but was a special player in college and could be in the NFL. He's their 3rd TE, 5th round pick.

And IDK if you were watching last week, but Jason Allen's been playing soft and gives up a lot of yards, and Kareem Jackson is probably a bust unless he can prove otherwise. Jason Allen was one of the reasons why the game was close and why we lost, even tho he had an interception early in the game. Green Bay Packers, they do not have this problem because they are loaded at the DB's positions, Charles Woodson, Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Nick Collins, etc. A #2 CB is very important, he needs to be able to take away one side of the field and help create turnovers. That's what the Packers are very good at and main reason why they were able to beat the Steelers in the SB. Taking away just one side of the field can only go so far, and if we want to make the Playoffs, and Super Bowl too, we need a #2 CB desperately. Preferably in the FA, but wouldn't mind we drafted another one, but a proven one unlike KJ.

And if you look at the teams with top 3-4 Defenses, especially the ones that made it into the playoffs last year, about all of them had a giant in the middle at NT. IIRC, every top 10 defense had a 325+ pounds NT that are in a 3-4. And it's yet, another position the GB Packers are dominant at. BJ Raji, one of the best NT in the league, is 6'2'', 337 lbs. Hell, even their backup NT is 340 lbs. I know Wade Phillips prefers smaller guys, but Shaun Cody(6'4'', 300 lbs) and Earl Mitchell(6'3'' 289 lbs) aren't special and it's imo a position that we need to be dominant at to be a threat in the league. IDK if there's any good NT in the FA next year, but I prefer us to draft a young guy and hopefully make him become the next BJ Raji.

Considering all of that, do you seriously want to draft a QB? Like seriously?

I don't think Wade prefers a smaller NT. I understood him to say that a NT in his system doesn't have to be massive. That is different than saying he prefers a small NT.

I doubt the Texans will draft a QB in the first round, but to answer your question, yes I think if they have a chance to draft a special QB in the first round they should. Matt Schaub is a good QB, but he's never going to be special. Regarding his development as a QB, I believe he has reached his peak. How many NFL QB's have improved after the age of 30? That doesn't mean they immediately drop off after turning 30; this isn't Logan's Run, after all. It just means they plateau at or near that age and eventually decline in ability.

I agree that NT is a need. I don't think a team should draft a NT in the first round unless they are confident that they are getting a Haloti Ngata or B.J. Raji type player. Otherwise, they can find a very good NT in the second round.

CB is the biggest need on the defense for sure, but I think the Texans can address this again in free agency.

If the Texans don't pick a special QB or NT in the first round, then they might have a chance to draft a WR or a pass rushing OLB. The need at OLB will be determined by whether they decide to keep Mario Williams and how well "Hacksaw" Brooks Reed plays the rest of this year.

You are absolutely right about the need of a better #2 WR, preferably a #1A type WR. In otherwords, a WR that can step in as a legitimate #1 WR if Andre Johnson is injured.

Texan4Ever
10-16-2011, 12:44 AM
Here's my top three with guys I want in bold...



1.) Wider Receiver - We need a taller receiver (6'4" +) or a speedy guy with great hands (Justin Blackmon) in case if AJ goes down or to give Schaub more options to throw to.

Justin Blackmon

2.) Nose tackle - We need either a big plunger or a quick, finesse type of guy to plug into the middle and help anchor our defense. Cody and Mitchell are good rotational guys but should not be your starters.

Billy Winn

3.) Offensive linemen - Wouldn't hurt to draft some linemen to takeover in the future once guys leave or retire.

David Molk - C, Kevin Zeitler - OG, and or Brandon Mosley - OT

b0ng
10-19-2011, 04:02 PM
Mark me down as saying if one of the big 3 QB's should happen to fall near or around us, I would not be opposed to picking him up (Jones, Barkley or Luck).

southcarolina45
10-19-2011, 10:17 PM
Delvin Johnson Marshall NT 6-3 312 very good stats

Ole Miss Texan
10-20-2011, 09:55 AM
As of 10/20 I still want a playmaking WR to pair with AJ but it's not like we can't find that after round 1.

I'd love for Wade to find that true stud NT that can rush the passer and clog the lane. The NT that offenses fear.

Moving up on my list is a stud O-Linemen which possibly could be had in the 20's where I still think we should be picking. I think Brown is playing very well but Winston is starting to worry me (pass pro is not up to my liking). Would love to get a really good tackle to put at RT and push Winston in to RG possibly. On the otherhand, if we can get a LT that could move Brown to RT. I'll let Kubiak & Dennison look into that but would love an upgrade on the OL to help protect Schaub.

beerlover
10-20-2011, 09:58 AM
As of 10/20 I still want a playmaking WR to pair with AJ but it's not like we can't find that after round 1.

I'd love for Wade to find that true stud NT that can rush the passer and clog the lane. The NT that offenses fear.

Moving up on my list is a stud O-Linemen which possibly could be had in the 20's where I still think we should be picking. I think Brown is playing very well but Winston is starting to worry me (pass pro is not up to my liking). Would love to get a really good tackle to put at RT and push Winston in to RG possibly. On the otherhand, if we can get a LT that could move Brown to RT. I'll let Kubiak & Dennison look into that but would love an upgrade on the OL to help protect Schaub.

or draft/trade for a QB with better mobility :koolaid:

badboy
10-20-2011, 11:18 AM
or draft/trade for a QB with better mobility :koolaid:uh oh, now you went and done it! :kitten: