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DexmanC
10-10-2011, 10:04 PM
The Lions are going to 5-0. Three of their wins came on the road, and
they play like a young team that knows what the hell it's doing. This,
only two seasons removed, from 0-16.

The difference??

They didn't keep their head coach on the payroll with the hopes
he'd "figure it out," and that "continuity (no matter the results)"
is the key to success.

Fire the coach, give another guy a chance, and you just might have
a winning combination.

I hope Texans' fans are watching this game. Let this be a lesson to
ALL of you. Don't call me a "hater" for having the misfortune of wearing
this accurate-as-hell signature for well over a full season.

kiwitexansfan
10-10-2011, 10:19 PM
WOW is right.

Way to start a new thread supposedly about the Lions to post yet another negative comment about the Texans.

srrono
10-10-2011, 10:20 PM
If Texans dont make playoffs he should be fired! i just hope the coach that comes dont restart every thing take us back to a 43 def, throw away our zone blocking run scheme. Get a coach that id able to recognize whats working and use it ,but that is a lot to ask for. Change everything 3 year rebuilding plan eww.

redwhiteANDblue
10-10-2011, 10:23 PM
I felt disgusted watching this game. This team could have been us, those roudy fans could've been Houston. All the suckass teams of the decade are finally stepping it up besides the Texans. Months of offseason hype and potential always bring us back to 5-7 every damn year. Other teams actually know how to build on top of each season. I felt going into this season that the Lions had a team to compete this year but then again I also felt that way about the Texans pretty much every year so I thought they must be the same type of mediocre team. Shocking how it turned out. Lions utilize their talents while Texans fall 3-2 to the raiders

dtran04
10-10-2011, 10:24 PM
Martz is getting his QB killed. Making Cutler take 7 step drops while the Lions' DE are lined up way wide. IDIOTIC

DexmanC
10-10-2011, 10:37 PM
WOW is right.

Way to start a new thread supposedly about the Lions to post yet another negative comment about the Texans.

Let me define your word for ya:

"negative" = TRUTHFUL

Whether the truth is positive or negative is not in my control. That
responsibility belongs to Gary Kubiak.

kiwitexansfan
10-10-2011, 10:42 PM
Let me define your word for ya:

"negative" = TRUTHFUL

Whether the truth is positive or negative is not in my control. That
responsibility belongs to Gary Kubiak.

Well I just know that every post I have seen you write has been 'truthful'.

silentassassin
10-10-2011, 10:45 PM
I felt disgusted watching this game. This team could have been us, those roudy fans could've been Houston. All the suckass teams of the decade are finally stepping it up besides the Texans. Months of offseason hype and potential always bring us back to 5-7 every damn year. Other teams actually know how to build on top of each season. I felt going into this season that the Lions had a team to compete this year but then again I also felt that way about the Texans pretty much every year so I thought they must be the same type of mediocre team. Shocking how it turned out. Lions utilize their talents while Texans fall 3-2 to the raiders

I totally agree with this. I don't think the "overreaction" following losses (especially the most recent one) is unreasonable. It's extremely difficult to isolate each season, because the experiences over the last few years have been so similar. I'm fed up with watching crap teams-no matter how bad a schedule they had or how fortunate they were-have at least some success, while we've gone through virtually the same thing year after year.

I still have hope that, worst case, the home team will find a way to stumble into the playoffs; but seeing teams that were the epitome of incompetence over the last few years step it up and the Texans being left behind(mostly their own fault) sucks.

That being said, I'll find myself in ultimate homer mode by Sunday morning when they show shots of Texans warming up during the pregame show.:koolaid:

Texecutioner
10-10-2011, 10:59 PM
Well I just know that every post I have seen you write has been 'truthful'.

For the record, at one point in time Dexman was a huge Kubiak supporter and would argue on his behalf to anyone that would listen.

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 11:08 PM
The Lions are going to 5-0. Three of their wins came on the road, and
they play like a young team that knows what the hell it's doing. This,
only two seasons removed, from 0-16.

The difference??

They didn't keep their head coach on the payroll with the hopes
he'd "figure it out," and that "continuity (no matter the results)"
is the key to success.

Fire the coach, give another guy a chance, and you just might have
a winning combination.

I hope Texans' fans are watching this game. Let this be a lesson to
ALL of you. Don't call me a "hater" for having the misfortune of wearing
this accurate-as-hell signature for well over a full season.

Do you remember a few years back starting a similar thread about the 49ers?

How'd that work out for the 5-0 49ers?

houstonspartan
10-10-2011, 11:18 PM
Do you remember a few years back starting a similar thread about the 49ers?

How'd that work out for the 5-0 49ers?

Typical loser talk.

Congrats to the Lions, and all my fellow Michiganians, but I'm dreading the phone call from my Dad. He and I have been going back and forth the last few years about the Lions vs. the Texas. I've been pretty smug about the fact that the Texans will get to the playoffs before the Lions. It's a running joke between us.

F--k.

houstonspartan
10-10-2011, 11:20 PM
The Lions are going to 5-0. Three of their wins came on the road, and
they play like a young team that knows what the hell it's doing. This,
only two seasons removed, from 0-16.

The difference??

They didn't keep their head coach on the payroll with the hopes
he'd "figure it out," and that "continuity (no matter the results)"
is the key to success.

Fire the coach, give another guy a chance, and you just might have
a winning combination.

I hope Texans' fans are watching this game. Let this be a lesson to
ALL of you. Don't call me a "hater" for having the misfortune of wearing
this accurate-as-hell signature for well over a full season.

Dex,

I'm from Michigan, and, trust me, I have had my eye on the Lions. This is flat out embarrassing. They were the worst team in history a few short years ago.

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 11:22 PM
Typical loser talk.

Congrats to the Lions, and all my fellow Michiganians, but I'm dreading the phone call from my Dad. He and I have been going back and forth the last few years about the Lions vs. the Texas. I've been pretty smug about the fact that the Texans will get to the playoffs before the Lions. It's a running joke between us.

F--k.

Typical loser.

Hervoyel
10-10-2011, 11:26 PM
Do you remember a few years back starting a similar thread about the 49ers?

How'd that work out for the 5-0 49ers?

Yeah, they've been up, and back down, and now they're 4-1 I believe. Things change quickly in the NFL unless you're Houston and waiting on Gary. Have we ever been 5-0? Ever been 4-1?

Nope.

We're so stagnant and afraid of change. At the end of last season people were crying about how if we hired Cowher he'd blow up our 4-3 that hadn't done a damn thing since the day Gary showed up with Richard Smith and implemented it and now that Wade has installed his 3-4 I just finished reading a post where somebody was starting the "but what if a new coach wants to change us back to a 4-3?"

houstonspartan
10-10-2011, 11:26 PM
Typical loser.

Say what you want. But I will never apologize for having standards, being competitive and wanting to win. NEVER. If that makes me a loser, then, so be it.

I would much rather have my opinions and convictions and stick to them that do the middle-of-the-road bull**** you're always doing. You are afraid to take a stand on anything, and always have a "well, maybe, maybe not" attitude about things because you're afraid of being wrong. Grow a pair, dude.

houstonspartan
10-10-2011, 11:28 PM
Yeah, they've been up, and back down, and now they're 4-1 I believe. Things change quickly in the NFL unless you're Houston and waiting on Gary. Have we ever been 5-0? Ever been 4-1?

Nope.

We're so stagnant and afraid of change. At the end of last season people were crying about how if we hired Cowher he'd blow up our 4-3 that hadn't done a damn thing since the day Gary showed up with Richard Smith and implemented it and now that Wade has installed his 3-4 I just finished reading a post where somebody was starting the "but what if a new coach wants to change us back to a 4-3?"

Wow. No joke? That's just...sad.

Showtime100
10-10-2011, 11:32 PM
Do you remember a few years back starting a similar thread about the 49ers?

How'd that work out for the 4-1 49ers?

Nothing to look at here, just a win/loss total correction. Carry on. :)

DexmanC
10-10-2011, 11:49 PM
Do you remember a few years back starting a similar thread about the 49ers?

How'd that work out for the 5-0 49ers?

When Singletary couldn't deliver that 5-0 start into playoff appearances,
the Niners didn't hesitate to fire his ass. Now Jim Harbaugh, former
Colts quarterback, has that SAME 49er team leading their division at
4-1.

Singletary didn't get SIX YEARS. I guarantee Harbaugh won't if
he doesn't deliver RESULTS. Excuses should not trump results, as
they seem to do down here in Houston.

houstonspartan
10-10-2011, 11:51 PM
Nothing to look at here, just a win/loss total correction. Carry on. :)

Lol. And that was a couple of 49er coaches ago.

Despite what many Texans fans think, a team doesn't necessarily fall apart when a coach is fired. Sometimes, that team advances. Just saying.

houstonspartan
10-10-2011, 11:54 PM
When Singletary couldn't deliver that 5-0 start into playoff appearances,
the Niners didn't hesitate to fire his ass. Now Jim Harbaugh, former
Colts quarterback, has that SAME 49er team leading their division at
4-1.

Singletary didn't get SIX YEARS. I guarantee Harbaugh won't if
he doesn't deliver RESULTS. Excuses should not trump results, as
they seem to do down here in Houston.

Yep. For some reason, fans here think that bringing in a new coach automatically means another 5-year plan. That would be true - if we had zero talent. But, we have some pieces here. A new coach could possibly get us turned around fairly quickly.

One more thing: Singletary was fired in YEAR TWO.

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 11:55 PM
Yeah, they've been up, and back down, and now they're 4-1 I believe. Things change quickly in the NFL unless you're Houston and waiting on Gary. Have we ever been 5-0? Ever been 4-1?

Neither 5-0 or 4-1 mean anything at all.... if we're not allowed to throw a parade for being 9-7 why in the hell are we going to care about 5-0? It didn't get the 49ers into the play-offs & it isn't going to get Detroit into the play-offs.

We still have a long way to go & so do they.

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 11:56 PM
Say what you want. But I will never apologize for having standards, being competitive and wanting to win. NEVER. If that makes me a loser, then, so be it.

I would much rather have my opinions and convictions and stick to them that do the middle-of-the-road bull**** you're always doing. You are afraid to take a stand on anything, and always have a "well, maybe, maybe not" attitude about things because you're afraid of being wrong. Grow a pair, dude.

Your standards aren't any better than mine.

middle of the road... you got me mixed up with somebody else.

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 11:58 PM
When Singletary couldn't deliver that 5-0 start into playoff appearances,
the Niners didn't hesitate to fire his ass. Now Jim Harbaugh, former
Colts quarterback, has that SAME 49er team leading their division at
4-1.

Singletary didn't get SIX YEARS. I guarantee Harbaugh won't if
he doesn't deliver RESULTS. Excuses should not trump results, as
they seem to do down here in Houston.

& they'll continue to dwell at the bottom of the NFL like they have for the last decade.

DexmanC
10-10-2011, 11:58 PM
Neither 5-0 or 4-1 mean anything at all.... if we're not allowed to throw a parade for being 9-7 why in the hell are we going to care about 5-0? It didn't get the 49ers into the play-offs & it isn't going to get Detroit into the play-offs.

We still have a long way to go & so do they.

Don't gloss over the point, bruh.
Ya boy Kubiak should've been gone more than 3 seasons ago,
yet you don't mention how he's not held accountable. He hasn't
even given reasonable expectation to the fanbase with a 5-0 or
4-1 start. Even Mike Singletary did that.

....Incredible,

DexmanC
10-11-2011, 12:00 AM
& they'll continue to dwell at the bottom of the NFL like they have for the last decade.

Why are you predicting the fall of the Niners and Lions?

The mediocrity of the Texans is RIGHT NOW.

Apples and Oranges.

The Lions are 2-0 in their division already!

Have the Texans ever been 2-0 in the AFC South?

The NFC North could be argued to be tougher than the AFC South, since 2
of their 4 teams wound up in the Superbowl in recent years.

houstonspartan
10-11-2011, 12:03 AM
Why are you predicting the fall of the Niners and Lions?

The mediocrity of the Texans is RIGHT NOW.

Apples and Oranges.

The Lions are 2-0 in their division already!

Have the Texans ever been 2-0 in the AFC South?

The NFC North could be argued to be tougher than the AFC South, since 2
of their 4 teams wound up in the Superbowl in recent years.

I just remembered that Thunder doesn't believe in half the stuff he posts about. He just says things to get a reaction from people. Sometimes, you just gotta walk away, bruh.

thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 12:04 AM
Don't gloss over the point, bruh.
Ya boy Kubiak should've been gone more than 3 seasons ago,
yet you don't mention how he's not held accountable. He hasn't
even given reasonable expectation to the fanbase with a 5-0 or
4-1 start. Even Mike Singletary did that.

....Incredible,

& it got him nowhere. The 49ers aren't doing anything they haven't done before. I'm not glossing over anything.... it is what it is, but so what we aren't 4-1 even if it were what would that mean?

It wouldn't mean anything more than 4-2 did last year.

thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 12:08 AM
Why are you predicting the fall of the Niners and Lions?

The mediocrity of the Texans is RIGHT NOW.

Apples and Oranges.

The Lions are 2-0 in their division already!

Have the Texans ever been 2-0 in the AFC South?

The NFC North could be argued to be tougher than the AFC South, since 2
of their 4 teams wound up in the Superbowl in recent years.

The same reason you're predicting the failure of the Texans... If history is the indication of future performance, they're walking the same line they've walked before.

But since they aren't the Texan, you'll tout them up like they are doing something "amazing" then walk away & act like you never said anything when they fail.

Did you or did you not harp on the 49ers when they started strong & fell off the face of relevance?

Wow the Lions are 5-0....... carry on, nothing to see here.... gimme a break!

thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 12:09 AM
I just remembered that Thunder doesn't believe in half the stuff he posts about. He just says things to get a reaction from people.

Now that's true.

Texecutioner
10-11-2011, 12:14 AM
The same reason you're predicting the failure of the Texans... If history is the indication of future performance, they're walking the same line they've walked before.

But since they aren't the Texan, you'll tout them up like they are doing something "amazing" then walk away & act like you never said anything when they fail.

Did you or did you not harp on the 49ers when they started strong & fell off the face of relevance?

Wow the Lions are 5-0....... carry on, nothing to see here.... gimme a break!

You can't predict it as history when the Niners and the Lions are both working from two new regimes that don't have that history of failure like their previous regimes created there. They weren't part of that. The Texans still have Kubiak who has that history and he is still here. The Texans are the only team in that equation of all three of those teams you're comparing that didn't address their HC problems. The Lions and the Niners did and so their new regime is working from a clean slate.

Showtime100
10-11-2011, 12:16 AM
Why are you predicting the fall of the Niners and Lions?


I'll bet anyone here any amount that at least one of those two falls next week. :hides:

JCTexan
10-11-2011, 12:20 AM
I'll bet anyone here any amount that at least one of those two falls next week. :hides:

A pretty safe prediction don't you think? :shades:

houstonspartan
10-11-2011, 12:26 AM
A pretty safe prediction don't you think? :shades:

You beat me to it. Law of averages.

thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 12:27 AM
You beat me to it. Law of averages.

That & they play each other next week.

houstonspartan
10-11-2011, 12:30 AM
That & they play each other next week.

That I did not know. Thanks for clarifying.

DexmanC
10-11-2011, 01:06 AM
The same reason you're predicting the failure of the Texans... If history is the indication of future performance, they're walking the same line they've walked before.

But since they aren't the Texan, you'll tout them up like they are doing something "amazing" then walk away & act like you never said anything when they fail.

Did you or did you not harp on the 49ers when they started strong & fell off the face of relevance?

Wow the Lions are 5-0....... carry on, nothing to see here.... gimme a break!

Quote where I've predicted the Texans to fail in 2011. I have not.
Every example you can give for a failed coach, I can show you a fired
coach. Get it?

sometexansfan
10-11-2011, 01:44 AM
Do you remember a few years back starting a similar thread about the 49ers?

How'd that work out for the 5-0 49ers?

That would be an interesting thread to read, since the 49ers haven't started 5-0 since 1990...

kiwitexansfan
10-11-2011, 03:13 AM
Quote where I've predicted the Texans to fail in 2011. I have not.
Every example you can give for a failed coach, I can show you a fired
coach. Get it?

They say there are only 2 types of coaches: fired coaches and those about to be fired.

DexmanC
10-11-2011, 03:30 AM
They say there are only 2 types of coaches: fired coaches and those about to be fired.


Houston has the third kind.....


.....it's everybody's fault BUT the head coach.

Texan_Bill
10-11-2011, 07:17 AM
Nothing says success like the Detroit Lions 42-107 record over the last 10 years, including this season's 5-0 start. :rolleyes:

thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 07:41 AM
I'm looking for the 49er thread Dex started & came across this gem. Which raised a question.
I was just as pissed as everyone here Sunday afternoon, but I chose not
to open my bar of pink soap just yet. Hear me out. This team finished 8-8
over the last two season, but in a lot of their losses prior to this season,
they were blown off the field. This year, they seem like a team that's
fumbling for a winning formula, but have yet to strike 'Eureka!'

In spite of having a rookie OC, and a rookie DC, this team looks like
it has the ability to whip any team on their schedule. Before this season,
we were hoping they could just 'hang with' the big boys. This is the first
time they've proven to themselves they really could play with ANYBODY.

The next five games will show if they will fold under the adversity they're
facing, or if they will rise above it and BECOME the juggernaut they now
know they can be. The margin of victory in the NFL is VERY slight. Only
the teams that are good at the FINEST of details become elite. I'd rather
have Kubiak get another year to take the squad he's built to the next
level, rather than see a "Gruden Situation" where we get one year out
of what Kubes has put together, before it goes to **** with the new coach.

Capers was fired when the team quit on him. It has yet to happen to Kubiak.
Dick Jauron was fired because his team quit on him. It has yet to happen
to Kubiak. Putting 17 unanswered points up on the Colts TWICE in the
SAME season doesn't happen by mistake. I think they'll finish better than
8-8, but unless they start getting blowing out, bring Kubiak back. I'm
confident in Kubiak/Smith's ability to draft for their needs. They'll improve
the interiors of our offensive and defensive lines, and our team will go
from just 'good' to dominant.

Jim Mora's famous speech about "PLAYOFFS!??" was about a young
quarterback who threw four interceptions including a PICK-6. Mora
said his team played like "diddly poo" that day with FIVE turnovers.
"Don't talk to me about playoffs! I just hope we can win a GAME!!"

That young team became the class of the AFC, with their erratic quarterback
becoming the best to have ever played the game. His name is Peyton
Manning.

Just sayin...

So.... Just to get this straight. December of 2009, you were for bringing Kubiak back in 2010. In 2009 you thought he was doing the right things? You had faith in Smithiak in the draft... do I have this right so far?

If that's the case, I really don't know why we (You vs the majority of us on this board) clash so often... you're in the same place we are. I don't know of anybody who thought bringing Kubiak back in 2010 was in the "best" interest of the Houston Texans. I know of several who have come to accept Bob's decision as reasonable, but I don't know of anyone that "wanted" Kubiak back.

GuerillaBlack
10-11-2011, 09:26 AM
Nothing says success like the Detroit Lions 42-107 record over the last 10 years, including this season's 5-0 start. :rolleyes:

Dude, come on. You can do better than this. Lions have a second year coach that is destroying anything Kubiak has ever accomplished. Just another team to add to the list that is finding success much quicker than the Texans, while they keep Kubiak. Pathetic and the same ol, same ol. Nothing to see here, tbh.

DexmanC
10-11-2011, 10:03 AM
I'm looking for the 49er thread Dex started & came across this gem. Which raised a question.


So.... Just to get this straight. December of 2009, you were for bringing Kubiak back in 2010. In 2009 you thought he was doing the right things? You had faith in Smithiak in the draft... do I have this right so far?

If that's the case, I really don't know why we (You vs the majority of us on this board) clash so often... you're in the same place we are. I don't know of anybody who thought bringing Kubiak back in 2010 was in the "best" interest of the Houston Texans. I know of several who have come to accept Bob's decision as reasonable, but I don't know of anyone that "wanted" Kubiak back.

Yes. I'm not insane. When I realize I'm wrong, I acknowledge it.
Most of you know I was an avid Kubiak supporter; however, the evidence
continues to show what a failure he is as a head coach. Kubiak didn't prove
me right, and he still continues prove my current position correct for over
a year and a half now. It's 2011. Update your info and progress.

thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 10:07 AM
Yes. I'm not insane. When I realize I'm wrong, I acknowledge it.
Most of you know I was an avid Kubiak supporter; however, the evidence
continues to show what a failure he is as a head coach. Kubiak didn't prove
me right, and he still continues prove my current position correct for over
a year and a half now. It's 2011. Update your info and progress.

I actually forgot that about you.. that you were a fervent supporter.

But I'm thinking of doing a poll. I think most of us think we'll get to the play-offs in spite of Kubiak, not because of Kubiak. I think we're mainly arguing over semantics.

gary
10-11-2011, 10:08 AM
A signing that was really a shocker at the time was the signing of free agent Vanden Bosch who still has plenty left.

Dutchrudder
10-11-2011, 10:20 AM
Personally, I think it's too early for the 'Fire Kubiak' talk. The second half of our schedule is very easy relative to the first 7 games. Even if we end up 3-4 after this tough stretch, I don't think it's difficult to see us going 6-3 or 7-2 over the last 9 games. We should be competing with the Titans for the division lead and playoff berth in the final game of the season. I expect both teams to be 9-6/8-7 at that point, and if it ends up that way, it should be the make or break game for Gary.

BigBull17
10-11-2011, 10:21 AM
Yep. We have been WAY to slow to pull the triger on people not cutting it.

Blake
10-11-2011, 10:23 AM
Congrats Lions!


...wait, you mean this thread wasnt created to talk about the Lions? Am I supposed to say something negative about the Texans now?

Double Barrel
10-11-2011, 10:43 AM
Typical loser talk.

Congrats to the Lions, and all my fellow Michiganians, but I'm dreading the phone call from my Dad. He and I have been going back and forth the last few years about the Lions vs. the Texas. I've been pretty smug about the fact that the Texans will get to the playoffs before the Lions. It's a running joke between us.

F--k.

After the 0-16 Lions season, my buddy made the statement that the Lions would get to the playoffs before the Texans. He's a Texans fan, wears a hardhat to every game, but he's not delusional.

I told him no way, the Texans get there first. He offered a bet, and I thought he was a sucker for doing it. I'm not even a betting man in any degree, but that seemed so freakin' obvious as a guarantee to win that I took it.

Now...now I'm not sure who the sucker is... :thinking:

Typical loser.

Typical troll.

I though that kind of stuff was below you, TK. I'm disappointed to see you engage in such a manner. I expect it from lesser posters. Just shocked to see a two word bait post with your name endorsing it. :dontknowa

Nothing says success like the Detroit Lions 42-107 record over the last 10 years, including this season's 5-0 start. :rolleyes:

Is 59-90 much more impressive? idonno:

thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 10:51 AM
Typical troll.

I though that kind of stuff was below you, TK. I'm disappointed to see you engage in such a manner. I expect it from lesser posters. Just shocked to see a two word bait post with your name endorsing it. :dontknowa



I'm not proud of it. Caught me in a moment of weakness. If I could take it back, I wouldn't.

kiwitexansfan
10-11-2011, 02:48 PM
Congrats Lions!


...wait, you mean this thread wasnt created to talk about the Lions? Am I supposed to say something negative about the Texans now?

Let's be clear dex is never negative just 'truthful'.

Vinny
10-11-2011, 03:29 PM
I just watched the first half of the Lions game and a couple of things stand out. Megatron and Suh are rare players. You just don't see talent like that all that often. Cutler impresses me with his arm despite all the negative press. If they can ever get their protections resolved they can win big with him. Fairley has a great first step, just like Suh does. Those guys are going to be dynamite together. Beat the Lions now because next year this team is going to be a brutal matchup for everyone. They already are for the lower half of the league.

thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 04:23 PM
I just watched the first half of the Lions game and a couple of things stand out. Megatron and Suh are rare players. You just don't see talent like that all that often. Cutler impresses me with his arm despite all the negative press. If they can ever get their protections resolved they can win big with him. Fairley has a great first step, just like Suh does. Those guys are going to be dynamite together. Beat the Lions now because next year this team is going to be a brutal matchup for everyone. They already are for the lower half of the league.

Did you miss Jahvid Best? If they can find ways to get that kind of production out of him on a consistent basis, the sky's the limit for them.

Texecutioner
10-11-2011, 04:31 PM
I actually forgot that about you.. that you were a fervent supporter.

But I'm thinking of doing a poll. I think most of us think we'll get to the play-offs in spite of Kubiak, not because of Kubiak. I think we're mainly arguing over semantics.

Dex was a huge Kubiak supporter. After the Titans game I think it was he dropped all of the unconditional support and hasn't changed since. That's one thing I've always liked about him in these discussions is that he isn't one of these flip flop fans that loves the coach and then wants him gone every other week and then gets fooled by a two game winning streak again. He sees flaws and and has noticed glaring trends with the way our coach manages games, and he's stuck to his guns unlike many who like to sport the pink soap for like 3 weeks a season and then put it away and go back to telling every other fan to shut up that isn't happy with the team. Dex flipped the script one day and hasn't changed ever since. I remember pretty glaringly, because Lucky made this funny joke about someone stealing his account at the time, because his posts became the complete opposite at that time. It really did seem like someone hacked his account at the time. Lol!

Texan4Ever
10-11-2011, 04:37 PM
Going back to the Lions, this is a team that was coming off of a 9-7 record back in 2000 and than they went downhill from there.

To be 5-0 after going 0-16 in 2008 is a pretty remarkable accomplishment and it makes drafting Stafford a good decision (he is playing better than ever). I'm rooting for them and I hope they can make it to the playoffs and possibly even win the Super Bowl.

thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 05:01 PM
I'm rooting for them and I hope they can... win the Super Bowl.

:um:

:toropalm:

JCTexan
10-11-2011, 05:26 PM
Did you miss Jahvid Best? If they can find ways to get that kind of production out of him on a consistent basis, the sky's the limit for them.

He said he watched the first half. Jahvid Best had like 12 yards in the first half of the game. He ripped that 88 yard TD run late in the 3rd and another 43 yard run in the 4th quarter.

Vinny
10-11-2011, 07:50 PM
Did you miss Jahvid Best? If they can find ways to get that kind of production out of him on a consistent basis, the sky's the limit for them.He said he watched the first half. Jahvid Best had like 12 yards in the first half of the game. He ripped that 88 yard TD run late in the 3rd and another 43 yard run in the 4th quarter.
yeah, at that time I just got one half in...I was with Family during the game so I had to tape it and watch it piecemeal. I like Best. I think the Lions did a good job drafting speed in the backfield and at WR2 in Titus Young. I don't consider him a total game changer type like Megatron or Suh, but yeah I think he is another key but easier to replace cog for the Lions. The reason I peek into Lions games is because Suh and Calvin Johnson though...no doubt about it.

Texan4Ever
10-11-2011, 07:53 PM
:um:

:toropalm:


Hey, I like the underdogs and unlike the Texans, I don't expect the Lions to choke down the road, they're that good IMO.

thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 07:56 PM
Hey, I like the underdogs and unlike the Texans, I don't expect the Lions to choke down the road, they're that good IMO.

Just kinda thought you'd root for the Texans to win the Super Bowl?

Texan4Ever
10-11-2011, 09:00 PM
Just kinda thought you'd root for the Texans to win the Super Bowl?

I'm sorry, been too disappointed by them. Every time I get my hopes up, they let me down. Once they make the play-offs, than I'll go back to rooting for them to get to the Super Bowl...until then....

thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 09:19 PM
I'm sorry, been too disappointed by them. Every time I get my hopes up, they let me down. Once they make the play-offs, than I'll go back to rooting for them to get to the Super Bowl...until then....

We expect them to put it on the line for 60 minutes, from start to finish 100% & we can't do the same for them.

:smh:

steelbtexan
10-11-2011, 10:16 PM
The K.Brown missed FG against the Tacks was the game that made me realize that winning meant more to the fanbase. Than winning did to BoB/Gary/Rick/Players etc....

Texan4Ever
10-11-2011, 10:22 PM
We expect them to put it on the line for 60 minutes, from start to finish 100% & we can't do the same for them.

:smh:


They get paid millions of dollars to do what they do and many Texans fans spend lots of money on Texans related items (e.g. tickets, jerseys, etc). The least they could do is put some effort into what they do and show us and the world that they are contenders and not flukes.

thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 10:47 PM
They get paid millions of dollars to do what they do and many Texans fans spend lots of money on Texans related items (e.g. tickets, jerseys, etc). The least they could do is put some effort into what they do and show us and the world that they are contenders and not flukes.

Mario tore a pec.... Casey tore a pec... Ben Tate has a groin issue, AJ's got a hammy thing, Matt Schaub nearly lost a leg, Brian Cushing left blood on the field & several Oakland Raiders...

Somehow, I think they're giving more effort than you're giving them credit for.

Texan4Ever
10-11-2011, 11:28 PM
Mario tore a pec.... Casey tore a pec... Ben Tate has a groin issue, AJ's got a hammy thing, Matt Schaub nearly lost a leg, Brian Cushing left blood on the field & several Oakland Raiders...

Somehow, I think they're giving more effort than you're giving them credit for.


Ok, I see your point and have to agree with you. Still, its frustrating when we loose games because of one mental fart or play that goes whack.

thunderkyss
10-12-2011, 11:48 AM
Ok, I see your point and have to agree with you. Still, its frustrating when we loose games because of one mental fart or play that goes whack.

I know.

fiasco west
10-12-2011, 01:54 PM
Personally, I think it's too early for the 'Fire Kubiak' talk. The second half of our schedule is very easy relative to the first 7 games. Even if we end up 3-4 after this tough stretch, I don't think it's difficult to see us going 6-3 or 7-2 over the last 9 games. We should be competing with the Titans for the division lead and playoff berth in the final game of the season. I expect both teams to be 9-6/8-7 at that point, and if it ends up that way, it should be the make or break game for Gary.

Uh oh! You are making sense!

Really the season is far from over, and the NFL is all about Parity. The Raiders loss COULD motivate the Texans, they COULD pull together and win a big game and that could help them roll over the Titans. They'd be 5-2, a good record no matter how you slice it...then they could get Andre back for the stretch run and make some noise.

The Lions aren't missing two of their best players either. Take off Suh and Calvin Johnson and we'll see how many more games the Lions are winning.

toronto
10-13-2011, 06:34 AM
Comparing the Lions to the Texans is just ridiculous.

The Lions have been the league's doormat for a decade, and haven't ever made it to a Super Bowl. Their last pro bowl QB was Bobby frigging Layne.

They had an 0-16 season. They had fans wearing paper bags for years there and so defeated that they stopping showing up.

They drafted WRs 4 straight years in the 1st round and became the laughingstock of every draft, to the point where people giggled and prayed they'd take another WR in year 5, just for the chance to laugh at them one more time.

Yeah they got Jim Schwartz, but they had Matt Millen, Wayne Fontes, Rod Marinelli, Dick Juaron, Gary Moeller, Bobby Ross etc. Houston can't even begin to touch their level of futility.

Yes Texan fans have a right to be frustrated. Yes Gary Kubiak needs to go, and I'm not a Texan fan....

But let's be serious here - Lion fans were so beaten into submission that they don't even know what to do with themselves right now...winning is that foreign to them.

thunderkyss
10-13-2011, 06:55 AM
I remember similar expectations from the Rams last year. There was talk about the Rams turning things around faster than Kubiak. At the end of the season, all that talk just sort of disappeared.

This is too early. When the Lions have a play-off spot locked..... then we can talk about the Wow (Lions)

LikeMike
10-13-2011, 07:57 AM
The Lions are actually one of the teams IŽd like to watch most - in the last few years they did an outstanding job in the draft. Sure, having a pick in the top 3 makes it easier, but they collected a bunchload of talent. Right now they are a good corner and LB away from being a supberbowl contender imho. It`s just gonna be interesting to see, how they perform in the playoffs - and of course if their QB can stay healthy?

TexanSam
10-13-2011, 08:28 AM
Maybe the Texans are following the Lions blueprint. 50 years of hope and losing and then finally they have a good football team. Just 40 more years to go guys! 2051 is right around the corner!