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gtexan02
10-10-2011, 11:56 AM
I haven't seen anyone mention this yet, and I'm really curious what people think was going on here.

OL let down?
Schaub awareness let down?
Raiders DL awareness?

I mean, seriously, 7 batted passes for a 6'5" QB with a traditional delivery? Thats almost unheard of

Carr Bombed
10-10-2011, 11:59 AM
I haven't seen anyone mention this yet, and I'm really curious what people think was going on here.

OL let down?
Schaub awareness let down?
Raiders DL awareness?

I mean, seriously, 7 batted passes for a 6'5" QB with a traditional delivery? Thats almost unheard of

It's not just this game either. It's something I've noticed all season so far. Schaub has had passes knocked around at the line all year and they've already have led to a couple of picks also.

TheMatrix31
10-10-2011, 11:59 AM
It's all on the offensive line. They were absolute trash yesterday. By far the cause of Schaub's failures, the ineffectiveness of the running game, and the overall worthlessness of the offense in general. Tough to block everyone when they're stacking the box because we don't have Andre Johnson.

EVOLVIST
10-10-2011, 12:02 PM
Nah, Schaub had no reason to think his passing lanes would close up like that. All those batted balls, Schaub was throwing with confidence and no pressure was in his face.

That was just poor offensive line play and very good DL play from the Raiders.

Get ready for the Ravens to stack the box in the same way. Something has to change...but at least those batted balls weren't on Schaub this time.

eriadoc
10-10-2011, 12:09 PM
I think the short QBs have to find ways to get their passes through, so they're more aware of those sorts of things. When Schaub doesn't get the protection he needs, he doesn't really have that extra sense developed. JMO.

DexmanC
10-10-2011, 12:27 PM
Nah, Schaub had no reason to think his passing lanes would close up like that. All those batted balls, Schaub was throwing with confidence and no pressure was in his face.

That was just poor offensive line play and very good DL play from the Raiders.

Get ready for the Ravens to stack the box in the same way. Something has to change...but at least those batted balls weren't on Schaub this time.

Stacked box with Haloti Ngata, Ray Lewis, and Terrell Suggs.

......and Ed Lewis roaming the back waitin on Schaub to f-up.

Oh, yeah. Bernard Pollard is starting for them as well.


....good luck Texans.

CloakNNNdagger
10-10-2011, 12:33 PM
I think the short QBs have to find ways to get their passes through, so they're more aware of those sorts of things. When Schaub doesn't get the protection he needs, he doesn't really have that extra sense developed. JMO.

I agree. Drew Brees is only a stretched 6 feet tall. It is, for the most part, up to his OL's blocking scheme to develop passing lanes. However, when this does not develop or breaks down, he adjusts his delivery trajectory or sidesteps in order to reclaim an open lane. There is always going to be an available lane.......but a QB must be aware, willing and able to move in order to find it. It does not help if, although you have a 6'5" QB, he insists on only wearing designer cement apparel from Payless Shoes.

Cerberus
10-10-2011, 12:33 PM
This might have something to do with it:

John Henderson 6'7"

Lamarr Houston 6'3"

Tommy Kelly 6'6"

Jarvis Moss 6'7"

Richard Seymour 6'6"

If it helps, they also did it to Sanchez and Brady. Well, not 7 times, but they were batting down passes against them as well.

bckey
10-10-2011, 12:47 PM
I mentioned it in the who was the worst player thread last night. I thought it was some kind of record number because it happened so much. He had alot of bad passes also. I think the pressure from the Raiders was really getting to him mentally.

b0ng
10-10-2011, 12:58 PM
Ed Reed

XI CMURDER IX
10-10-2011, 01:10 PM
Offensive line play is to blame, and I think it might be a little quarterback play as well. Schaub needed to be able to make the pocket move, and the offensive line needed to get the defensive lines hands down. The offensive line got abused yesterday, and by what I think is an average defensive line.

badboy
10-10-2011, 01:13 PM
The arc of Schaub's passes look flat to me unless he is throwing long down the field.

Brisco_County
10-10-2011, 01:14 PM
This has a lot to do with timing. If a defense has your timing down, they get a sense of your reads and your releases. By the fourth quarter, they know when the ball is coming out, and there's a higher probability for an interception. It would help to pump fake, but I never see Schaub do that.

parkus
10-10-2011, 01:34 PM
I'm in agreement that the height of the Raiders D-line was the problem with the batted passes but I seem to recall that Schaub had another ball that was tipped at the line that ended up being an INT earlier in the season.

I have tons of thoughts and have never posted them here before so I apologize if this offends anyone but here I go.

Schaub is a good quarterback. Good, not great. His chances of pulling out a game winning drive or losing on a bone headed play are about 50/50. Since AJ got hurt in the Pittsburgh game the offense has really bogged down. In the 6 quarters since AJ got hurt we have had:

1. Nothing really for 2 quarters until Foster's 40+ yard TD run to win against PIT.
2. Good opening drive yesterday then.....
3. 60 yard pass to Foster.
4. 50 yard pass to Walter.

So we bogged down for 2 quarters against PIT before Foster broke loose and after the opening drive yesterday every big play was followed by a 3 and out. Long story short, until we get Andre Johnson back I think the offense will continue to suffer.

Back to Schaub I look at the team in general. Look at the two times this year where the pressure was on him to win the game in the 4th quarter. NO and OAK. Both times the Texans had big leads and dominated the first half only to end up behind in the 4th quarter. The team seems to lack the killer instinct to put games away. Had we put the games away in the first half the way good teams do Schaub wouldn't be in these situations so I don't place all of the blame on Schaub.

I think Schaub is good enough to lead us to the promised land but the team in general needs to develop the killer instinct to put games away on both sides of the ball. Hell, if Kyle Boller and Trent Dilfer can win Super Bowls, so can Matt Schaub.

Maybe I'm crazy. Just my own observations.

sbalderrama
10-10-2011, 02:06 PM
Kubiak didn't seem very happy with the tipped passes either in his after game comments.

(on if the Raiders defense do anything he didn’t expect) “They pressured us a lot. They brought a lot of blitzes which we had some chances to make some plays. You have to get the ball in people’s hands and have them go make plays. We had a lot of balls tipped in some blitz situations which we have to take a look at why. We have to give them some credit, but you also got to be able to avoid and get the ball in the right spots so you can beat blitz. That’s part of what you’ve got to try to do. So, other than that, no, they did bring a lot of pressure.”

hradhak
10-10-2011, 02:22 PM
O line play was atrocious yesterday. But some of the onus has to fall on Schaub. He threw a lot of throws flat. Our playcalling didn't call for many quick throws either.

I think there were a lot of things that have to improve from the offensive standpoint. Why is it that this team can only have 1 side of the ball show up to play ?

CretorFrigg
10-10-2011, 02:25 PM
I'm not a big fan of grandma-speed Schaub right now, but that is far from his fault. Our O-line got pushed around.

IDEXAN
10-10-2011, 02:28 PM
My understanding is that this is the same DLine the Raiders had last year that this same Texans OLine last year dominated, and if so what's that about ?

srrono
10-10-2011, 04:34 PM
I dont know if it was a scheme thing but it seemed like HOU was doing more 3 step drops. Schaub was really close to d line all game.

Blake
10-10-2011, 04:38 PM
I have always felt like Schaub's delivery is very slow and long developing.

Double Barrel
10-10-2011, 04:51 PM
I have always felt like Schaub's delivery is very slow and long developing.

I agree.

On SNF last night, they were showing the release times of the elite QBs. Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rogers. They were all around 0.3 second, meaning a third of a second. Drop back, release.

I'm not expecting Schaub to be at their level, but he should be within the 2-3 second range if he's ever going to take this team to another level.

That 7 seconds at the end of the game was telling of many things about him, release time included.

leebigeztx
10-10-2011, 04:55 PM
I'm in agreement that the height of the Raiders D-line was the problem with the batted passes but I seem to recall that Schaub had another ball that was tipped at the line that ended up being an INT earlier in the season.

I have tons of thoughts and have never posted them here before so I apologize if this offends anyone but here I go.

Schaub is a good quarterback. Good, not great. His chances of pulling out a game winning drive or losing on a bone headed play are about 50/50. Since AJ got hurt in the Pittsburgh game the offense has really bogged down. In the 6 quarters since AJ got hurt we have had:

1. Nothing really for 2 quarters until Foster's 40+ yard TD run to win against PIT.
2. Good opening drive yesterday then.....
3. 60 yard pass to Foster.
4. 50 yard pass to Walter.

So we bogged down for 2 quarters against PIT before Foster broke loose and after the opening drive yesterday every big play was followed by a 3 and out. Long story short, until we get Andre Johnson back I think the offense will continue to suffer.

Back to Schaub I look at the team in general. Look at the two times this year where the pressure was on him to win the game in the 4th quarter. NO and OAK. Both times the Texans had big leads and dominated the first half only to end up behind in the 4th quarter. The team seems to lack the killer instinct to put games away. Had we put the games away in the first half the way good teams do Schaub wouldn't be in these situations so I don't place all of the blame on Schaub.

I think Schaub is good enough to lead us to the promised land but the team in general needs to develop the killer instinct to put games away on both sides of the ball. Hell, if Kyle Boller and Trent Dilfer can win Super Bowls, so can Matt Schaub.

Maybe I'm crazy. Just my own observations.

Remember when some of us complained about the sorry 4th against the colts? There was a large amount of people looking at it as a win and a bunch of crybabies. The bigger issue was the same lack of killer instinct on part of the offense. The to's late against a bad football team was concerning. Fast forward to the blown 4th qt against the saints, and if not for the defense, the offense did nothing against pittsburgh in the 4th qt either.

dc_txtech
10-10-2011, 05:32 PM
This has a lot to do with timing. If a defense has your timing down, they get a sense of your reads and your releases. By the fourth quarter, they know when the ball is coming out, and there's a higher probability for an interception. It would help to pump fake, but I never see Schaub do that.

Me and my buddy were talking about this yesterday, I don't think I have ever seen Schaub pump fake. Seems to me that when the Dline timing your passes that well a quick pump fake would clear the passing lanes as well as slow down the pass rush.

HJam72
10-10-2011, 07:27 PM
Me and my buddy were talking about this yesterday, I don't think I have ever seen Schaub pump fake. Seems to me that when the Dline timing your passes that well a quick pump fake would clear the passing lanes as well as slow down the pass rush.

I think this is part of the problem. Schaub's body movements are all very predictable. It usually doesn't get his passes tipped because he's tall and has a good release, but those Raiders D-Linemen are tall and got close consistently.

BigBull17
10-10-2011, 07:46 PM
Hard to pump fake when your oline is getting beat all game. Get the point of your post, but that was a bad game for the whole offense.

EllisUnit
10-10-2011, 08:29 PM
It's not just this game either. It's something I've noticed all season so far. Schaub has had passes knocked around at the line all year and they've already have led to a couple of picks also.

Holding onto the ball for 1-2 seconds to long, i have seen it all season long and i think it has gotten worse. I mean seriously think about it, how many Catches have you seen WRs/TEs make while running in stride this season ? Not many most have to wait/slow down and its cause he is letting plays OVER develop, why i have no idea. Just my opinion

Dishman
10-10-2011, 09:05 PM
Someone buy Schaub a stepstool.

Corrosion
10-10-2011, 09:25 PM
I haven't seen anyone mention this yet, and I'm really curious what people think was going on here.

OL let down?
Schaub awareness let down?
Raiders DL awareness?

I mean, seriously, 7 batted passes for a 6'5" QB with a traditional delivery? Thats almost unheard of

I pointed out in another thread that the Raiders DL had a hell of a game ..... They dominated every aspect of play limiting Foster , pressuring Schaub , knocking down passes ..... they were the difference in the game.