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robroy72
10-10-2011, 10:47 AM
Given that we played the Colts, Saints and Steelers in the 1st 5 games ... if you were offered a 3-2 start on opening day, would you have taken it?

TheMatrix31
10-10-2011, 10:49 AM
Most definitely.

My problem isn't the start. My problem is the injuries.

We must have killed some baby cows somewhere along the line.

robroy72
10-10-2011, 10:52 AM
Most definitely.

My problem isn't the start. My problem is the injuries.

We must have killed some baby cows somewhere along the line.

Veal meat again ... don't know where ... don't know when...

gtexan02
10-10-2011, 10:53 AM
I was hoping that we would finish 3-2. I would have taken it.
Not at the expense of AJ and MW

Dread-Head
10-10-2011, 10:55 AM
To paraphrase Homer Simpson "We're 3-2! We're still good! We're still good!"

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 10:57 AM
Would I have taken a 3-2 start? Indy, Miami, Saints, Steelers, Raiders... yeah, I think I would. I voted no, because I am more upset about our offense not clicking yet. Yeah, I know Aj is special, but I always thought this was an offense that spread the ball around & getting everybody involved. I'm just not seeing that now...

I don't know, I think I'm still upset about losing the Raiders game. Losing to the Saints the way we lost to the Saints, I'm good with that, especially after following it up with a good win vs the Steelers. But to lose to the Raiders the way we did at home... I'm just not buying it.

hradhak
10-10-2011, 10:58 AM
I was hoping that we would finish 3-2. I would have taken it.
Not at the expense of AJ and MW

Yeah that's the real problem. AJ maybe coming back but not having MW makes things difficult. Having Brooks Reed softens the blow somewhat but Mario demanded a double team that made it possible for the rest of the line to make plays.

I'm fine with 3-2, I think i even had us at 3-3 after the Ravens game. At this point we're still tied with the Titans for the division.

TexanBacker93
10-10-2011, 11:02 AM
There should be another option. I don't think they should go 16-0. I'd love to see it, but it isn't realistic. I still think they should have been 4-1 after 5 games. Most people thought they would lose to the Steelers. Even before the season I wasn't feeling the Steeler love. This team should be 12-4. The schedule isn't tough and if you are a playoff caliber team then all games should be winnable.

Look at the remaining schedule.

@ Ravens L
@ Titans L
Jaguars W
Browns W
@ Bucs L
@ Jaguars W
Falcons W
@ Bengals W
Panthers W
@ Colts W
Titans W

This is how I originally felt. Now, Tampa isn't playing well so that could be a W. You lose a home game you should win you need to pick one up on the road that most thought was a loss. The next 2 weeks are huge. The team can't come back from Tennessee with a 3-4 record. If they are sitting there and maybe a game behind the Titans the stands will be half full for the first half of the game. The players will play tight and we could lose another game we shouldn't. They have to find a way to win one of the next 2. Both would be best.

eriadoc
10-10-2011, 11:08 AM
Honestly, it's about what I expected at the beginning of the season, and that's not good. I told myself if they finish 4-1, finding a way to pull out the Ravens or Steelers game, I'd be convinced they're a new team. At 3-2, I'm still not convinced they won't end up at the 5-7 mark at the end of November, which is just the same ol' Texans. We'll see. I'm still in wait and see mode. 4-1 would have put me in "unbearably chippy and optimistic Texans fan" mode. I almost remember what that was like, back in September of 2002.

TheMatrix31
10-10-2011, 11:09 AM
The difference between 4-1 and 3-2 is enough to be the difference between the Texans being a new team and the Texans being one of the cursed, embarrassingly ridiculous failures in NFL history?

Ranger Tom
10-10-2011, 11:12 AM
This poll doesn't consider the possibility that we might have ended up worse than 3-2. I vote yes because of that.

eriadoc
10-10-2011, 11:12 AM
The difference between 4-1 and 3-2 is enough to be the difference between the Texans being a new team and the Texans being one of the cursed, embarrassingly ridiculous failures in NFL history?

No, but coupled with their history, it's enough to temper optimism. If you really, truly are honest with yourself, and you don't have a hint of apprehension in you about the Texans right now, you either haven't followed the Texans for the last decade or you're a way off the charts pollyanna. (not you personally, just a general you)

rush2112mn
10-10-2011, 11:14 AM
My problem is they should be 4-1 cause we gave that game away yesterday....plain and simple.....gave it as a present to the Raiders.:toropalm::overreact:

TheMatrix31
10-10-2011, 11:17 AM
I have more than a hint of apprehension about the Texans because it's impossible to expect the same amount of success from a team that doesn't have their best defensive player going forward and a Top 10 NFL player for the next couple of weeks, not to mention the inexplicable lack of health from the deepest RB corps in the league and our FB that was expected to replace a Pro Bowl FB being out for the year as well.

People can say "injuries are excuses" all the want, but we're not in a position to be one of those "the great teams overcome injuries" teams. Especially when you look at who's missing and what those missing mean to what we do on offense and defense.

Hervoyel
10-10-2011, 11:20 AM
I love threads like this. Let's go back and look at this 3-2 start with lower expectations and you'll feel better (and if you don't then see how unreasonable you are!).

Bullshit.

I can only look at it through eyes that have seen the 5 games in question and I know that this team has no excuse for being anything less than 4-1 right now. They could very well be 5-0.

Coach Kevin
10-10-2011, 11:30 AM
I love threads like this. Let's go back and look at this 3-2 start with lower expectations and you'll feel better (and if you don't then see how unreasonable you are!).

Bullshit.

I can only look at it through eyes that have seen the 5 games in question and I know that this team has no excuse for being anything less than 4-1 right now. They could very well be 5-0.

this

Hervoyel
10-10-2011, 11:33 AM
I have more than a hint of apprehension about the Texans because it's impossible to expect the same amount of success from a team that doesn't have their best defensive player going forward and a Top 10 NFL player for the next couple of weeks, not to mention the inexplicable lack of health from the deepest RB corps in the league and our FB that was expected to replace a Pro Bowl FB being out for the year as well.

People can say "injuries are excuses" all the want, but we're not in a position to be one of those "the great teams overcome injuries" teams. Especially when you look at who's missing and what those missing mean to what we do on offense and defense.

Why not? Those teams backups are just backups until they're called on to step up and become more than that aren't they? Who says Brooks Reed can't finish the season with 8-10 sacks? He's a second round draft pick and they step up every year. Why can't this team expect that?

And if we're not in a position to have someone pick up the slack then who's fault is that? That we'd have no one to step in for Andre Johnson was not a given. Very good backups were everywhere this summer. We stood with Jacoby & Kevin. Why can't we expect Graham to step in for Casey? What's he been doing all this time if not preparing for this moment? Why can't we expect Vickers to step up? These guys aren't just scrubs picked up off the street. They're players our coaching staff chose to go with in these roles. Well, it's time to step up and do your part guys.

I don't get it. When the Patriots lose Bledsoe then Brady stands up. When Brady goes down Cassell steps up. We lose Andre Johnson and not one guy out of all the WR's we have can elevate his game for three damn weeks? We lose Mario and it's impossible that Reed might be ready. The NFL is full of guys who got their break before anyone thought they were ready and ran with it.

We have just as much right to hope for, even expect our backups to do something as the next teams fans.

TheMatrix31
10-10-2011, 11:36 AM
We're not the Patriots.

That said, you touch on organizational depth, and that IS a problem. And that IS something you can point to the front office too. Jacoby Jones has no place on a good team's roster, let alone being the #2 wide receiver.

A team that is still learning how to win with its #1's will not have a smooth transition if they're forced to rely on #2's to fill in. Bottom line. If that's leadership's fault, then it is.

Runner
10-10-2011, 11:39 AM
Given that we played the Colts, Saints and Steelers in the 1st 5 games ... if you were offered a 3-2 start on opening day, would you have taken it?

Against a Colts team without Manning, a strong Saints team, a Steelers team obviously not up their level of years past, and two teams they supposedly "own"? No. Good teams win many more games than they lose. They don't hover around .500.

Even if the Colts and Steelers were as good as last year the Texans should have been 4-1 if they really are contenders. 3-2 is fine if they intend to be "pretty good".

rmartin65
10-10-2011, 11:41 AM
No. Weak Colts, weak Steelers, weak Dolphins, the Raiders and the Saints. You need to go 4-1 through that.

TheMatrix31
10-10-2011, 11:42 AM
If the Steelers are weak, and we beat them 17-10, and they turned around and beat the ever living **** out of the Titans....then what does that make the Titans?

TexanBacker93
10-10-2011, 11:43 AM
In the first full game without Johnson I'd say Walter stepped it up. He made a couple of big time catches and scored a TD. The problem wasn't with who would step into Dre's shoes, but would could then take his spot. Only 1 catch out of 11 targets for Jones. The passes were horrible, though. That's not all on him, although I don't know if he just wasn't where he was supposed to be or not.

Daniels and Dreessen have been more involved as well.

If anything was affected by losing Andre it was the run game because the Raiders could afford to stack the box. While the receivers made plays they forced Matt to hurry throws and kept Foster from going off.

TheMatrix31
10-10-2011, 11:44 AM
In the first full game without Johnson I'd say Walter stepped it up. He made a couple of big time catches and scored a TD. The problem wasn't with who would step into Dre's shoes, but would could then take his spot. Only 1 catch out of 11 targets for Jones. The passes were horrible, though. That's not all on him, although I don't know if he just wasn't where he was supposed to be or not.

Daniels and Dreessen have been more involved as well.

If anything was affected by losing Andre it was the run game because the Raiders could afford to stack the box. While the receivers made plays they forced Matt to hurry throws and kept Foster from going off.

Wow, a rational thought. I didn't know that was allowed here.

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 11:46 AM
The difference between 4-1 and 3-2 is enough to be the difference between the Texans being a new team and the Texans being one of the cursed, embarrassingly ridiculous failures in NFL history?

If we had lost to an obviously superior team.... The Saints, then you are right. We lost to some up & comers.

We're thinking we're on the verge of getting to that next level & we lost to the Raiders. I think it is appropriate to question this team at this point.

TheMatrix31
10-10-2011, 11:46 AM
If we had lost to an obviously superior team.... The Saints, then you are right. We lost to some up & comers.

We're thinking we're on the verge of getting to that next level & we lost to the Raiders. I think it is appropriate to question this team at this point.

We're also up and comers. Like it or not, we're not on a level that's any greater or worse than the Oakland Raiders right now.

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 11:49 AM
I love threads like this. Let's go back and look at this 3-2 start with lower expectations and you'll feel better (and if you don't then see how unreasonable you are!).

Bullshit.

I can only look at it through eyes that have seen the 5 games in question and I know that this team has no excuse for being anything less than 4-1 right now. They could very well be 5-0.

If we had Arian for the Saints game, not one person in here thinks we wouldn't have won that game.

You're right, we should be 5-0 right now & that is the source of all this frustration. We dominated the Saints for 3 qtrs & failed to finish. We dominated the Dolphins & pulled back the reigns. We dominated the Steelers..... got the W.


We should be 5-0 no question about it, if you watched all 5 games, there is no way you shouldn't be upset.

Being upset & giving up on the team are two totally different POVs mind you.

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 11:51 AM
We have just as much right to hope for, even expect our backups to do something as the next teams fans.

I'm impressed with Sharpton... I think he's filling in nicely for Demeco.


:kitten:

Ckw
10-10-2011, 11:52 AM
Honestly, it's about what I expected at the beginning of the season, and that's not good. I told myself if they finish 4-1, finding a way to pull out the Ravens or Steelers game, I'd be convinced they're a new team. At 3-2, I'm still not convinced they won't end up at the 5-7 mark at the end of November, which is just the same ol' Texans. We'll see. I'm still in wait and see mode. 4-1 would have put me in "unbearably chippy and optimistic Texans fan" mode. I almost remember what that was like, back in September of 2002.

This.

We as Texans fans sure do have low expectations. 3-2 hooray!!!!

How about 3-3 after the Baltimore game? And possibly 3-4 after the Tits game. So really, 3-2 makes you happy?!?

This team has the talent to slaughter teams like Indy, Miami, and Oakland, and beat teams like New Orleans and Pittsburgh. 4-1 is what I expected. 3-2 is good enough, but I'm not happy with just good enough. We've seen the way this team can screw the pooch. What convinces you that if they haven't shown you anything different so far this year that they are suddenly going to show you something different in late Oct and November?

Same old Texans. Same old Texans fans.

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 11:54 AM
We're also up and comers. Like it or not, we're not on a level that's any greater or worse than the Oakland Raiders right now.

That's what is so hard to accept. We've been up & comers for the last 4 years.

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 11:56 AM
This.

We as Texans fans sure do have low expectations. 3-2 hooray!!!!

How about 3-3 after the Baltimore game? And possibly 3-4 after the Tits game. So really, 3-2 makes you happy?!?

This team has the talent to slaughter teams like Indy, Miami, and Oakland, and beat teams like New Orleans and Pittsburgh. 4-1 is what I expected. 3-2 is good enough, but I'm not happy with just good enough. We've seen the way this team can screw the pooch. What convinces you that if they haven't shown you anything different so far this year that they are suddenly going to show you something different in late Oct and November?

Same old Texans. Same old Texans fans.

I bet the Jets, Eagles, Cowboys, Jags, Colts... I can think of several teams that would be happy about 3-2 right now.

Ckw
10-10-2011, 11:56 AM
If we had lost to an obviously superior team.... The Saints, then you are right. We lost to some up & comers.

We're thinking we're on the verge of getting to that next level & we lost to the Raiders. I think it is appropriate to question this team at this point.

Amen

We're also up and comers. Like it or not, we're not on a level that's any greater or worse than the Oakland Raiders right now.

:spit:

We've been "up and comers" for 4 years now!!!

Oh, looks like TK beat me to it.

ziggy29
10-10-2011, 11:58 AM
If the team were healthy, maybe. 3-2 with Mario probably out for the year and with AJ's hammy possibly a question mark for many weeks? No.

TheMatrix31
10-10-2011, 11:58 AM
Yes. That's a problem. But it's a reality, so expecting to beat the Raiders so handily acting like we're "way above them" is BS.

Ckw
10-10-2011, 11:59 AM
I bet the Jets, Eagles, Cowboys, Jags, Colts... I can think of several teams that would be happy about 3-2 right now.

Well, Jags and Colts and probably the Girls shouldn't have expected much different. But the Jets and Eagles have seriously underachieved. But you know what those teams have that we don't?

A PLAYOFF VICTORY!

When we get one of those, then you can compare us to the Jets and Eagles.

Ckw
10-10-2011, 12:01 PM
Yes. That's a problem. But it's a reality, so expecting to beat the Raiders so handily acting like we're "way above them" is BS.

Talent-wise, we are "way above them". There is no denying that. If the offense hadn't gone cold yesterday, we should have stomped them almost as bad as we stomped the Colts. If we had been creative with our offense instead of playing right into their hands by running the ball straight at them, we would have dominated them. But Gary Kubiak's our coach, so yeah I guess we should be happy with 3-2...

TdotTexas2Step
10-10-2011, 12:01 PM
It really depends on the circumstance though...

If that includes a Manning-led Colts and a Steelers teams with a proper o-line, then yeah I'd be totally fine with that.

But in all honesty, with even half decent execution, this team should be 5-0 right now. We forced enough turnovers (tough to do against Brees) and got into the redzone enough times to win the Saints game, and we're a better team than the Raiders even without AJ and MW. Not a matter of being "above them" or anything, but in a game where we do what we're supposed to do, we win.

Lack of execution has been our downfall. I walked away from both of our losses this season with that horrible feeling of "we let that one slip away". Whether it's failed redzone trips, or a fumbled routine catch by Dressen or Vickers, it's mistakes like these that's costing us.

I know all that matters is that "you get to the playoffs". But HOW you get there does play a significant role for a team that's never actually been there. Building good habits now will play dividends down the road.

Runner
10-10-2011, 12:02 PM
If the Steelers are weak, and we beat them 17-10, and they turned around and beat the ever living **** out of the Titans....then what does that make the Titans?

I don't get your point. The Texans should beat the Titans.

Or is your point the Steelers are the same as they've always been?

TheMatrix31
10-10-2011, 12:02 PM
Talent-wise, we are "way above them". There is no denying that. If the offense hadn't gone cold yesterday, we should have stomped them almost as bad as we stomped the Colts. If we had been creative with our offense instead of playing right into their hands by running the ball straight at them, we would have dominated them. But Gary Kubiak's our coach, so yeah I guess we should be happy with 3-2...


Are we way above them talent-wise without Mario for 3 quarters, and no Andre, Tate, or Ward? No.

ziggy29
10-10-2011, 12:02 PM
That's what is so hard to accept. We've been up & comers for the last 4 years.
Even though the Saints game followed the usual blueprint for a tough second half Texans loss, I was willing to simply chalk that up to playing an elite team with an elite QB who could come back like that on any team in the league. I was willing to grant that maybe it wasn't the "same old Texans finding ways to lose" -- that it was just that the Saints were that good.

But I find it really hard to rationalize that way in the Raiders game. That one felt like "same old Texans" -- more talented, perhaps, down a couple of key players, true -- but the same blueprint for gutwrenching losses as we've seen far too often for far too many years.

Ckw
10-10-2011, 12:02 PM
It really depends on the circumstance though...

If that includes a Manning-led Colts and a Steelers teams with a proper o-line, then yeah I'd be totally fine with that.

But in all honesty, with even half decent execution, this team should be 5-0 right now. We forced enough turnovers (tough to do against Brees) and got into the redzone enough times to win the Saints game, and we're a better team than the Raiders even without AJ and MW.

Lack of execution has been our downfall. I walked away from both of our losses this season with that horrible feeling of "we let that one slip away".

I know all that matters is that "you get to the playoffs". But HOW you get there does play a significant role for a team that's never actually been there. Building good habits now will play dividends down the road.

And boom goes the dynamite!

TheMatrix31
10-10-2011, 12:06 PM
I don't get your point. The Texans should beat the Titans.

Or is your point the Steelers are the same as they've always been?

My point is that the Steelers are not a "weak" team, even if they're not AFC Championship level to start the year off.

Ckw
10-10-2011, 12:07 PM
Are we way above them talent-wise without Mario for 3 quarters, and no Andre, Tate, or Ward? No.

Yes. They have no Nnamdi, I think one of their starting DBs was injured, McClain got hurt in the game, etc.

Injuries happen. They aren't an excuse to suck. The fact that our offense couldn't figure out the following is what led to our demise:

A. Jacoby Jones is worthless on the field. We are better off giving Bryant Johnson a shot
and
B. When the defense continually stacks 8 men in the box, you combat that with screen passes

Yes, talent for talent, with or without Mario, AJ, Tate, and Ward, we are a better team than the Raiders. We just did exactly what they wanted us to do so they beat us by stopping our running game and kicking field goals. And we did nothing to combat that.

TheMatrix31
10-10-2011, 12:08 PM
No argument from me on Jacoby's worthlessness and using screens. God knows how many times I said it in the game thread.

badboy
10-10-2011, 12:11 PM
No. Weak Colts, weak Steelers, weak Dolphins, the Raiders and the Saints. You need to go 4-1 through that.Exactly, I had predicted 4-1 with loss to Steelers pre-season. We should be 5-0.
Flat QB passes, JJ costumed appearances as a WR, no CB2, ridiculous plays (Victor Reeves), etc. We continue to find ways to lose. I am right back to where I was last season. Disgusted! As a long time fan of Kubiak, I fell off wagon last season and bruised and battered climbed back on. He keeeps kicking me over the side. I want to believe in this organization and roster but it sure ain't easy. :rake:

HTown2ATX
10-10-2011, 12:12 PM
It really depends on the circumstance though...

If that includes a Manning-led Colts and a Steelers teams with a proper o-line, then yeah I'd be totally fine with that.

But in all honesty, with even half decent execution, this team should be 5-0 right now. We forced enough turnovers (tough to do against Brees) and got into the redzone enough times to win the Saints game, and we're a better team than the Raiders even without AJ and MW. Not a matter of being "above them" or anything, but in a game where we do what we're supposed to do, we win.

Lack of execution has been our downfall. I walked away from both of our losses this season with that horrible feeling of "we let that one slip away". Whether it's failed redzone trips, or a fumbled routine catch by Dressen or Vickers, it's mistakes like these that's costing us.

I know all that matters is that "you get to the playoffs". But HOW you get there does play a significant role for a team that's never actually been there. Building good habits now will play dividends down the road.

+Rep

I agree. I know that we just need to get to the playoffs, but at the same time, I'm not a fan of the idea of getting by default as a winner of a crappy division and getting blasted in game 1 of the playoffs. (Please don't bring up Seattle beating the Saints in the playoffs.....even my dogs knew that was a fluke)

I'm just tired of the team being "on the verge" for however many frickin years only to be let down and then have a whole faction of fans that find this acceptable. It's mind numbing.

For once I'd like to have a Lions 4-0 breakout year, or the Bills, etc. A tema that comes out of nowhere and just wins.

And no, I am not saying the season is over, but some read what they want.

Ckw
10-10-2011, 12:14 PM
No argument from me on Jacoby's worthlessness and using screens. God knows how many times I said it in the game thread.

Hey, we agreed on something! That's rep worthy man.

Yeah, it was pretty infuriating yelling at the screen for Gary to run a screen and take Jacoby out of the game only to watch us run it up the middle with Foster one more time for a 2-3 yard gain. The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 12:15 PM
Well, Jags and Colts and probably the Girls shouldn't have expected much different. But the Jets and Eagles have seriously underachieved. But you know what those teams have that we don't?

A PLAYOFF VICTORY!

When we get one of those, then you can compare us to the Jets and Eagles.

Don't change the subject, they would be giddy about being 3-2 right now, so what's your point? Because they have play-off victories they are allowed to have lower standards than we do?

:c'mon man:

ziggy29
10-10-2011, 12:17 PM
Don't change the subject, they would be giddy about being 3-2 right now, so what's your point? Because they have play-off victories they are allowed to have lower standards than we do?
No, but at least they have some consolation to look back on. They have some fond memories of playoffs and playoff success. When we look back, all we see is more of the same "finding ways to lose" year after year -- and missing the playoffs.

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 12:19 PM
Even though the Saints game followed the usual blueprint for a tough second half Texans loss, I was willing to simply chalk that up to playing an elite team with an elite QB who could come back like that on any team in the league. I was willing to grant that maybe it wasn't the "same old Texans finding ways to lose" -- that it was just that the Saints were that good.

But I find it really hard to rationalize that way in the Raiders game. That one felt like "same old Texans" -- more talented, perhaps, down a couple of key players, true -- but the same blueprint for gutwrenching losses as we've seen far too often for far too many years.

& The Saints game was pretty much the same thing as the Raiders. You take out those 3 & outs, put some drives together, we don't even have to score, just kill the clock.... if we stay on the field, they can't score. 3 & outs & second half turnovers... we can't win like that & you shouldn't have to with an "elite" offense.

Double Barrel
10-10-2011, 12:19 PM
I know all that matters is that "you get to the playoffs". But HOW you get there does play a significant role for a team that's never actually been there. Building good habits now will play dividends down the road.

You have a very good point. Especially the how you win and good habits part, but you should fully expect those fine details to be lost on this fanbase. Many Texans fans seem to watch only the Texans and will simply be unable to comprehend trends and how consistent playoff teams do it every year.

So, with that said, it is quite obvious that you have not received enough Texans propaganda on how to celebrate mediocrity and you need to learn to accept that making it the playoffs is this franchise's goal.

Here's the Cliff Notes version:

Drink some juice :koolaid: chant a chant :d: and learn the Texans two step :rake:

Now you're ready for some Texans football! :texflag:

ziggy29
10-10-2011, 12:21 PM
& The Saints game was pretty much the same thing as the Raiders. You take out those 3 & outs, put some drives together, we don't even have to score, just kill the clock.... if we stay on the field, they can't score. 3 & outs & second half turnovers... we can't win like that & you shouldn't have to with an "elite" offense.
Right -- but I'm just saying I was willing to consider the benefit of the doubt in the Saints game because of the caliber of the opponent -- *and* being on the road. But at home against the Raiders, that benefit of the doubt vanishes and my opinion goes back to "same old Texans". More talented than previous versions, but one that knows how to surrender second half leads and find ways to lose games they should have won.

Ckw
10-10-2011, 12:22 PM
+Rep

I agree. I know that we just need to get to the playoffs, but at the same time, I'm not a fan of the idea of getting by default as a winner of a crappy division and getting blasted in game 1 of the playoffs. (Please don't bring up Seattle beating the Saints in the playoffs.....even my dogs knew that was a fluke)

I'm just tired of the team being "on the verge" for however many frickin years only to be let down and then have a whole faction of fans that find this acceptable. It's mind numbing.

For once I'd like to have a Lions 4-0 breakout year, or the Bills, etc. A tema that comes out of nowhere and just wins.

And no, I am not saying the season is over, but some read what they want.

Rep to you as well. You hit that one out of the park.

I too am sick of being "on the verge". I don't get why people don't see this. Maybe I'm wrong for being so down on the team when there are many teams worse off than us right now. I really hope that I am.

But I just want to see something different from these Texans. I want to see something I've never seen before. I want to see them stomp the teams they are supposed to stomp. I want to see them play 4 good quarters of football. I want to see our offense look like the elite offense the stats have said we are for so long.

The only thing different about these Texans is the defense is a little better. Now that Mario is done for the season, that might not even be the case. Worse yet, the offense actually looks worse than they did last year.

So if we are 3-2, which we have already been before, the defense is only slightly improved, and the offense is worse, are we really a playoff team? And even if we do luck into the playoffs because of a crappy division, do we even have a chance of winning in the 1st round?

Another year, another disaster. This is depressing... :toropalm:

Ckw
10-10-2011, 12:24 PM
Don't change the subject, they would be giddy about being 3-2 right now, so what's your point? Because they have play-off victories they are allowed to have lower standards than we do?

:c'mon man:

No, but at least they have some consolation to look back on. They have some fond memories of playoffs and playoff success. When we look back, all we see is more of the same "finding ways to lose" year after year -- and missing the playoffs.

Thanks for saving me the trouble ziggy. I'm not sure why TK didn't understand that. It seemed pretty implicit.

But hey, don't let me stop you from searching for the silver lining in your dog's butt crack.

Ckw
10-10-2011, 12:28 PM
You have a very good point. Especially the how you win and good habits part, but you should fully expect those fine details to be lost on this fanbase. Many Texans fans seem to watch only the Texans and will simply be unable to comprehend trends and how consistent playoff teams do it every year.

So, with that said, it is quite obvious that you have not received enough Texans propaganda on how to celebrate mediocrity and you need to learn to accept that making it the playoffs is this franchise's goal.

Here's the Cliff Notes version:

Drink some juice :koolaid: chant a chant :d: and learn the Texans two step :rake:

Now you're ready for some Texans football! :texflag:

:pirate:

And DB gets it right once again. Par for the course.

Rep to you.

I need to re-attend my "Real Texans Fans Accept Mediocrity" classes. I am slipping too far over to the dark side and need to be brought back over to the light.

HTown2ATX
10-10-2011, 12:31 PM
You have a very good point. Especially the how you win and good habits part, but you should fully expect those fine details to be lost on this fanbase. Many Texans fans seem to watch only the Texans and will simply be unable to comprehend trends and how consistent playoff teams do it every year.

So, with that said, it is quite obvious that you have not received enough Texans propaganda on how to celebrate mediocrity and you need to learn to accept that making it the playoffs is this franchise's goal.

Here's the Cliff Notes version:

Drink some juice :koolaid: chant a chant :d: and learn the Texans two step :rake:

Now you're ready for some Texans football! :texflag:

Tsk tsk DB.....you are forgetting the needed Carebear suit or doll (users choice) to bear with you when defending said mediocrity and coach..

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/__ykb2FvxfgI/SJ0er6kEQ7I/AAAAAAAABfo/-e_LEelTcQs/s400/carebear.jpg

:clown:

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 12:47 PM
Thanks for saving me the trouble ziggy. I'm not sure why TK didn't understand that. It seemed pretty implicit.

But hey, don't let me stop you from searching for the silver lining in your dog's butt crack.

Look, you said
This.

We as Texans fans sure do have low expectations. 3-2 hooray!!!!

I said
I bet the Jets, Eagles, Cowboys, Jags, Colts... I can think of several teams that would be happy about 3-2 right now.
ziggy said
No, but at least they have some consolation to look back on. They have some fond memories of playoffs and playoff success. When we look back, all we see is more of the same "finding ways to lose" year after year -- and missing the playoffs.

Still doesn't change where their expectations should be. 3-2 isn't nothing to sneeze at, with only five games into the season, I can think of 3 records that would be worse..... 2-3, 1-4, 0-5

It's not that our expectations are so low (by the way, my most recent post was saying we should be 5-0 & have every reason to be upset about 3-2, but for a totally different reason than yours). It is what it is. We beat the Steelers which most people thought would be a loss anyway.

If you're saying we shouldn't be writing the Steelers game (or the Saints game) off as losses before the season even started, I agree with you. If you are saying we should expect to beat those teams... then I have to question what you are seeing that we aren't. Just because this team has been together for 5 year? Saying that's where we should be... I understand that, but we know that is not where we are at.

Bottom line. Are you saying 6 weeks ago you penciled in a win @New Orleans & vs Pittsburgh?

Ckw
10-10-2011, 01:00 PM
Bottom line. Are you saying 6 weeks ago you penciled in a win @New Orleans & vs Pittsburgh?

No. I had us winning against New Orleans and losing to Pitt. My anger stems from the way we lost to New Orleans, the way we almost (and probably should have) lost to Miami, and the way we did lose to Oakland.

This is a team that seemingly always (regardless of the talent level) finds a way to screw things up. Sometimes they do well enough in a quarter or two to get far enough ahead that even they will still win, but they seem to always find a way to look bad even when they win.

Frankly, I'm tired of being laughed at by fans of other teams.

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 01:13 PM
Frankly, I'm tired of being laughed at by fans of other teams.

Kick them in the gnads..... that's what I do.

:kitten:

Norg
10-10-2011, 01:19 PM
Hopefully the titans have a Meltdown thats all im saying

HTown2ATX
10-10-2011, 01:26 PM
Hopefully the titans have a Meltdown thats all im saying


^^^THIS

I hate those mother&^%$*&^ damnit.

I don't know what I will do if the last game of the season comes down to the division title in Houston between the Texans and Moonshiners and, GOD forbid, the moonshiners win...with a new QB, coach, system and staff....

There's only one way to cleanse your mind should that happen..... :gun:

:sarcasm:

80tothezone
10-10-2011, 01:36 PM
Would I have taken a 3-2 start? Indy, Miami, Saints, Steelers, Raiders... yeah, I think I would. I voted no, because I am more upset about our offense not clicking yet. Yeah, I know Aj is special, but I always thought this was an offense that spread the ball around & getting everybody involved. I'm just not seeing that now...

I don't know, I think I'm still upset about losing the Raiders game. Losing to the Saints the way we lost to the Saints, I'm good with that, especially after following it up with a good win vs the Steelers. But to lose to the Raiders the way we did at home... I'm just not buying it.

yeh i was puzzled by all the bunch and twin Te formations when they running basically a 5-2. spread it out and run out of singleback once u get em spread.... even so though our ol got destroyed maybe more PA or screens

TexanBacker93
10-10-2011, 04:23 PM
That's what is so hard to accept. We've been up & comers for the last 4 years.

What's really great is all the other up and comers that have been up and comers have passed us. Heck they've all lapped us.

Detroit: They were 0-16 3 years ago and 2-14 2 years ago. are now 4-0 going for 5-0 at home against the Bears. We were 8-8 and then 9-7 in those 2 years. So...they started 8 games behind us that year and are already one game ahead. The year before that they were 7-9 while we were again 8-8.

Buffalo: They've pretty much been stuck in the mud like us for the past several years. The only difference is they've been just under .500 each year while we gravitate towards mediocrity. They're 4-1 right now.

49ers: Have been pretty bad over the past few years as well. They have a new coach with a former #1 pick QB that hasn't exactly played up to his draft position so far. Sounds familiar. The difference is that this coach (Harbaugh) has gotten something out of his QB and his team is 4-1. They are also in a pretty bad division and know that if you take care of business outside the division you're gonna win it. We could very well come down to the final game of the season to decide the division winner when we should have it sealed up in early December.

I guess one main difference can be noted between Harbaugh and Kubiak. Harbaugh was a starting QB in the NFL and actually played. Kubiak did Elway's laundry. So I guess you could say he did carry Elway's jock strap.

Wolf
10-10-2011, 04:31 PM
this is why I hate the old preseason game of "strength of schedule" . You (the Texans) make or break out tough a schedule will be on them)

however to play along .

yes,preseason crystal ball, I would have taken it.

however hindsight..we should be 4-1 even with the injuries. We never should have lost to the raiders.

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 05:17 PM
49ers: Have been pretty bad over the past few years as well. They have a new coach with a former #1 pick QB that hasn't exactly played up to his draft position so far. Sounds familiar. The difference is that this coach (Harbaugh) has gotten something out of his QB and his team is 4-1. They are also in a pretty bad division and know that if you take care of business outside the division you're gonna win it. We could very well come down to the final game of the season to decide the division winner when we should have it sealed up in early December.

I guess one main difference can be noted between Harbaugh and Kubiak. Harbaugh was a starting QB in the NFL and actually played. Kubiak did Elway's laundry. So I guess you could say he did carry Elway's jock strap.

Was Harbaugh a successful college coach? I'm thinking that may be the way to go with a young team that hasn't experienced winning.

Think about it, college kids get to a program & they don't know what to expect. Every year, the HC has to sell to the team that they can be winners.

An NFL Offensive Coordinator doesn't really do that as often, so most likely not as well as a college HC. I know it's rare to see a college coach come in & build something, but that situation is pretty rare as well.

A young talented team, with no direction..... You look at San Francisco & they at least had the continuity of Nolan/Singletary.. already laying the groundwork, the mindsets.... then Harbaugh comes in & with basically the same personel...

Now, I'm not saying that Harbaugh has done anything yet.... he very well may. But we were having this same conversation about Singletary last year.

Rey
10-10-2011, 05:27 PM
I didn't vote, because neither option really appealed to me, but no...I would not have taken 3-2 and IMHO that is a loser's mentality....

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 05:32 PM
I didn't vote, because neither option really appealed to me, but no...I would not have taken 3-2 and IMHO that is a loser's mentality....

So you thought we would be 5-0 at this point?

Was there something in the preseason that stoked your expectations?

Rey
10-10-2011, 05:55 PM
So you thought we would be 5-0 at this point?

Was there something in the preseason that stoked your expectations?

I didn't have any expectations really.

But I think it is totally a losers mind set to say "whew, I'd take 3-2 and thank my lucky stars" VS. I'm gonna go out and try to be 5-0.

And that has nothing to do with my expectations. It's about striving for excellence vs settling for mediocrity.

If I'm playing someone in a basketball game I'd rather go out and try to go up 5-0 at the beggining of the game than to be have the score started at 3-2, my lead.

But I'm a competitor and I like to compete and being gifted a slight lead that is just a midget step above mediocre is not something that appeals to me or ever will.


If someone said we'd be 3-2 to start the season off I would have said that was ok, not great...If they said we'll give you 3-2 right now and you don't have to play a single one of the first five games I'd have told them to fuk-off.

Wolf
10-10-2011, 05:58 PM
well hell, I want them to go 5-0 but too many question marks at the beginning of the year. whole new scheme and how Wade would get the guys to gel .. so I was expecting the defense to struggle a bit and 3-2 would been the floor , 5-0 the ceiling

PapaL
10-10-2011, 06:08 PM
Didn't we have this exact same thread last year right before the wheels came flying off?
Here we go again.

What if your Aunt had balls?

ObsiWan
10-10-2011, 06:09 PM
I don't get it. When the Patriots lose Bledsoe then Brady stands up. When Brady goes down Cassell steps up. We lose Andre Johnson and not one guy out of all the WR's we have can elevate his game for three damn weeks? We lose Mario and it's impossible that Reed might be ready. The NFL is full of guys who got their break before anyone thought they were ready and ran with it.

We have just as much right to hope for, even expect our backups to do something as the next teams fans.

Yeah, and when Peyton goes down the Colts go 0-4.

It happens both ways.
Some teams get lucky and find a gem; others go straight into the tank. Let Rodgers be lost to the Pack or Brees be lost to the Saints and watch what happens to them. I'll bet you $100 it won't be pretty.

PapaL
10-10-2011, 07:06 PM
Don't look now but Painter is a totally different QB than he was a few weeks ago. Dare I say he looked good compared to a few weeks ago?

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 07:35 PM
If someone said we'd be 3-2 to start the season off I would have said that was ok, not great...

So, in reply to the original question... you'd have taken it

thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 07:41 PM
Didn't we have this exact same thread last year right before the wheels came flying off?
Here we go again.

What if your Aunt had balls?

I don't think the wheels started flying off until we went 1-4 over the next 5 games.

Until then, they were still firmly duck-taped into place.

srrono
10-10-2011, 09:40 PM
The only way the Texans will ever be 16-0 is if all the other teams punt on first down.

Wolf
10-10-2011, 09:41 PM
The only way the Texans will ever be 16-0 is if all the other teams punt on first down.

not sure.. esp if the team can run it like the raiders did on one play
:kitten:

srrono
10-10-2011, 09:44 PM
not sure.. esp if the team can run it like the raiders did on one play
:kitten:

i said punt not fake punt lol