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panamamyers
10-09-2011, 05:49 PM
Once you see things breaking down, throw the damn ball out to someone's feet and save 2 seconds to get another play.

That was such a huge blunder. Reminds me of the guy about ten years ago that kept running through the middle of the field and let time run out on the clock instead of getting down and stopping the clock.

Just a foolish waste of 7 seconds for a 7th grader, much less an NFL qb.

4x4tx
10-09-2011, 06:05 PM
agreed...wasnt sure why the play call wasnt for a quick hitter to ensure we got two plays. And my god, schaub is the slowest most unathletic QB in the NFL and a giant WUSS. He limps and carries on every single time he gets hit. He is the same size as Big Ben but he plays like somone much smaller.

Texecutioner
10-09-2011, 06:38 PM
YOu guys are grasping at straws here. Guys can't get open that easily all of the time. We didn't have enough time to easily just have two plays. We had enough time to let one play develop to execute. There was like 6 seconds on the clock. Sure it might have been possible, but very unlikely and extremely hard to plan for when guys had to run down the field in a hurry style offense to spike the ball. The play we had ended up giving the room for Schaub to run for a TD, but he just didn't do it and he screwed up. It happens. We don't have Tom Brady back there.

Norg
10-09-2011, 06:44 PM
Should have tucked and ran Put your head down and show some heart i know matt is a gamer and this is prob pissing him off but from time 2 time he makes some WTF matt plays

Peldon
10-09-2011, 07:03 PM
7 seconds is more than enough time to run 2 plays from the 4 yard line. First play run a slant into the endzone. If it's not open throw it over his head out of bounds. At most you lose 5 seconds but I doubt it would be that much.

RTP2110
10-09-2011, 07:09 PM
7 seconds is more than enough time to run 2 plays from the 4 yard line. First play run a slant into the endzone. If it's not open throw it over his head out of bounds. At most you lose 5 seconds but I doubt it would be that much.

Exactly. Thank you. This is football 101. Both Kubiak and Schaub should have had this in mind. It's not really complicated, even Dan Fouts was expecting two plays.

ziggy29
10-09-2011, 08:03 PM
YOu guys are grasping at straws here. Guys can't get open that easily all of the time. We didn't have enough time to easily just have two plays.

I think it was 7 seconds. I think you look for a quick hitter and if it's not there, *then* you throw it out the back of the end zone with (probably) 2-3 seconds left and then you can try a slower-developing play.

That wouldn't allow the time to go through a progression to find a second or third receiver, but that's fine. If your primary target isn't open, you immediately throw it away and have time for another play.

No one was suggesting that someone could (or would) easily "get open" in 3-4 seconds. But run the play, and if it's not there, immediately throw it out the back of the end zone and get another shot at running a play.

Texecutioner
10-09-2011, 08:10 PM
I think it was 7 seconds. I think you look for a quick hitter and if it's not there, *then* you throw it out the back of the end zone with (probably) 2-3 seconds left and then you can try a slower-developing play.

That wouldn't allow the time to go through a progression to find a second or third receiver, but that's fine. If your primary target isn't open, you immediately throw it away and have time for another play.

No one was suggesting that someone could (or would) easily "get open" in 3-4 seconds. But run the play, and if it's not there, immediately throw it out the back of the end zone and get another shot at running a play.

That's all possible and all, but when you're running down the field to spike the ball, you're somewhat in panic mode to get at least one play. It's not always that simple to do every little thing right to where you can get two plays fairly easily. With the scenarios you're suggesting that first play would have had to have been designed perfectly and executed perfectly timing wise if it didn't connect to get to that next play. It's just not always that simple.

Scooter
10-09-2011, 08:15 PM
YOu guys are grasping at straws here. Guys can't get open that easily all of the time. We didn't have enough time to easily just have two plays. We had enough time to let one play develop to execute. There was like 6 seconds on the clock. Sure it might have been possible, but very unlikely and extremely hard to plan for when guys had to run down the field in a hurry style offense to spike the ball. The play we had ended up giving the room for Schaub to run for a TD, but he just didn't do it and he screwed up. It happens. We don't have Tom Brady back there.

i disagree. that close to the endzone, you either hit your hot route or you throw it out of the endzone ... a 3-4 second play at most. if it doesnt work, you still have one more to try to score.

Surreal McCoy
10-09-2011, 08:19 PM
This thread is proof Madden is ruining football

TimeKiller
10-09-2011, 09:24 PM
Should've just kicked a field goal...

EllisUnit
10-09-2011, 09:27 PM
Should've just kicked a field goal...

yeah i'd rather lose by 2 instead of 5 :kingkong:. But on a serious n :toropalm:ote we SHOULD have kicked a field goal when we had the ball on their 37 yard line, but na lets punt it, and then hey later on we'll attempt a 54 yarder. Lets look smart for 1 game plz.

panamamyers
10-09-2011, 09:33 PM
He was running down to down the ball and then he had 40 seconds to get a play into his helmet. You really think that you play for a one play, winner take all with 7 seconds from the 4 yard line?

Absolutely atrocious misplay there to only end up getting the one play out of 7 seconds.
You don't have to time it just right.
It doesn't take but 3 seconds for a play from the 4 yard line. Just run a back shoulder fade to Walter or something and then i that doesn't work you double your chances of scoring.
Would much rather take two chances of scoring than one.

One of the biggest oops/blunders a qb has made in years. Up there with Orlovsky running out of the back of the endzone.

Tommy Kelly hit the nail on the head.
Ol boy choked.

EllisUnit
10-09-2011, 09:35 PM
He was running down to down the ball and then he had 40 seconds to get a play into his helmet. You really think that you play for a one play, winner take all with 7 seconds from the 4 yard line?

Absolutely atrocious misplay there to only end up getting the one play out of 7 seconds.
You don't have to time it just right.
It doesn't take but 3 seconds for a play from the 4 yard line. Just run a back shoulder fade to Walter or something and then i that doesn't work you double your chances of scoring.
Would much rather take two chances of scoring than one.

One of the biggest oops/blunders a qb has made in years. Up there with Orlovsky running out of the back of the endzone.

Tommy Kelly hit the nail on the head.
Ol boy choked.


yes even Kubiak said we had 2 shots, and that Schaub should have thrown it away, but it is what it is.

DocBar
10-09-2011, 09:39 PM
I wonder how much of Schaubs "stop drop and roll" routine is coached and how much is him not liking contact. Regardless, I think that "clutch" article passed along by McLame got thoroughly blown up today. Schaub looked a lot more like David Carr than Aaron Rodgers. He just doesn't appear to have "it".

Lucky
10-09-2011, 09:50 PM
yes even Kubiak said we had 2 shots, and that Schaub should have thrown it away...
Kubiak plays too much Madden.

EllisUnit
10-09-2011, 09:56 PM
Kubiak plays too much Madden.

a quick 2 step drop slant to O.D our Walter wouldnt of took more than 4 seconds off the clock.

DocBar
10-09-2011, 10:03 PM
Kubiak plays too much Madden.A definite decision to run or a good pump fake would've reulted in a touchdown. Schaub panicked and drove home the fact that the Texans need a new clutch. One would think that with McNair's money we could afford an automatic.
:toropalm:

EllisUnit
10-09-2011, 10:06 PM
A definite decision to run or a good pump fake would've reulted in a touchdown. Schaub panicked and drove home the fact that the Texans need a new clutch. One would think that with McNair's money we could afford an automatic.
:toropalm:

regardless of how much money Mcnair has we have to worry about salary cap, and we are close.

RTP2110
10-09-2011, 10:07 PM
a quick 2 step drop slant to O.D our Walter wouldnt of took more than 4 seconds off the clock.

True, and even if it took 5-6 seconds, that would have been okay too. You only need 1 second on the clock to run that 2nd play

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-09-2011, 10:07 PM
Kubiak doesn't have the slant in our playbook which is probably why we can never defend it as well.

EllisUnit
10-09-2011, 10:10 PM
Kubiak doesn't have the slant in our playbook which is probably why we can never defend it as well.

Walter on the first TD, why we didnt try it on that last play of the game is beyond me.

DocBar
10-09-2011, 10:31 PM
Walter on the first TD, why we didnt try it on that last play of the game is beyond me.

Because it isn't in the playbook. Did you not read the post you quoted?:kitten:

hradhak
10-09-2011, 10:48 PM
We had so many opportunities to win this game that it should have never come to that play. The Vickers drop, the Rackers missed FG, etc. would have kept us close. The entire offensive line not sucking for 4 quarters.
We had the opportunities to not only win this game, but put it away early. That's where the fault should lie, not with a bonehead play by Schaub at the end of the game

leebigeztx
10-09-2011, 10:57 PM
7 seconds is more than enough time to run 2 plays from the 4 yard line. First play run a slant into the endzone. If it's not open throw it over his head out of bounds. At most you lose 5 seconds but I doubt it would be that much.

Coulnt agree more. Quick slant 1st, jump ball 2nd. Why have 6'3 wrs if you're not going to theow the ball where no one can defend,above the head?

ArlingtonTexan
10-09-2011, 11:01 PM
yes even Kubiak said we had 2 shots, and that Schaub should have thrown it away, but it is what it is.

Kubiak plays too much Madden.

for those that need it.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-2/Quotes-Raiders-at-Texans/e01da588-9b69-4641-b904-3a9feca36e4e

on overcoming mistakes and the Raiders also making mistakes) ďTo be in the position we were in with nine seconds left, eight seconds left. Really to me you got two shots to win the game right there with nine seconds. If you donít have a play you throw it away there and take your last shot with two seconds, three or one second, whatever it is. But, we had a chance to pull off a great comeback, overcoming a lot of problems and a lot of adversity on a day where you didnít play your best football in a lot of phases and still find a way to win. But we didnít do it and they made the play at the end.Ē

4x4tx
10-10-2011, 09:52 AM
If you watch the replay there was still two seconds when schaub panicked and just threw it up..even at that point he could have fired a missle straight into the feet of jacob and had one second left...he blew it.

As for him getting coached not to take contact? I dont think so, I think he just doesnt like to get hit which is ultimately why he panicked and threw the ball up....The guy is 6'5 240 and he cant run through a DB for 5 yards? Maybe not, but atleast it would have shown some heart and toughness, no doubt in my mind Big Ben would have tried to run that guy over

robroy72
10-10-2011, 12:21 PM
YOu guys are grasping at straws here. Guys can't get open that easily all of the time. We didn't have enough time to easily just have two plays. We had enough time to let one play develop to execute. There was like 6 seconds on the clock. Sure it might have been possible, but very unlikely and extremely hard to plan for when guys had to run down the field in a hurry style offense to spike the ball. The play we had ended up giving the room for Schaub to run for a TD, but he just didn't do it and he screwed up. It happens. We don't have Tom Brady back there.

There were 7 seconds left. There were 2 seconds left when the ball left Schaubs hand.

robroy72
10-10-2011, 12:22 PM
If you watch the replay there was still two seconds when schaub panicked and just threw it up..even at that point he could have fired a missle straight into the feet of jacob and had one second left...he blew it.

As for him getting coached not to take contact? I dont think so, I think he just doesnt like to get hit which is ultimately why he panicked and threw the ball up....The guy is 6'5 240 and he cant run through a DB for 5 yards? Maybe not, but atleast it would have shown some heart and toughness, no doubt in my mind Big Ben would have tried to run that guy over

To be honest; I think if he'd gone for it, he would have got contact at the 2-3 yard line and probably not made it. Throwing it up was a better option, throwing it away was an even better option.