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thunderkyss
10-10-2011, 10:28 PM
Every team in the NFL would love to not have to blitz to get pressure. The less you blitz, the more you can leave in coverage. We were one of the teams that had good pressure packages without the blitz. Now, not so much.

I don't know if we can say that yet. Oakland has given up 5 sacks so far this year.... 3 of them were to them boys on Kirby. We don't know how we would have done without blitzing, with Mario in the game.

Next week, we play another team in the top ten as far as not giving up sacks..... the Ravens have given up 8 sacks in four games. I'm sure we are going to have to blitz & were going to have to with Mario.

Tennessee is even better, giving up 7 sacks in 5 games.

gary
10-10-2011, 10:31 PM
If Mario is done with the Texans then tag and trade him but do not just let him walk.

DexmanC
10-10-2011, 11:09 PM
Normally I'm not a fan of that excuse, but when your #1 offensive and #1 defensive player are both out for extended periods of time (not to mention the #2 offensive player) it actually does become more valid.

We've been without our top talent all year. The "everythings shaping up for the Texans" season is becoming completely derailed by injuries

Kubiak - SIX SEASONS - BARELY SNIFFING .500

Jim Schwarz - Only TWO SEASONS - Going to 5-0, and beating
the shit out of a top division rival, winning 3 on the road.

Kubiak does NOTHING to merit EXCUSES.

MEGA SWATT
10-10-2011, 11:27 PM
That sux

aussie_texan
10-10-2011, 11:29 PM
mario is a beast and this is a massive loss for us!

steelbtexan
10-10-2011, 11:35 PM
If Mario is done with the Texans then tag and trade him but do not just let him walk.

^^^^
This

Hervoyel
10-10-2011, 11:36 PM
mario is a beast and this is a massive loss for us!

Indeed. On the other hand Wade Phillips is a defensive genius (according to the Houston Texans PR department & John McClain....but I repeat myself) and so he should have no trouble continuing to put an effective defense on the field using the pile of spare parts he has accumulated since arriving.

Right?

Lucky
10-10-2011, 11:41 PM
Indeed. On the other hand Wade Phillips is a defensive genius (according to the Houston Texans PR department & John McClain....but I repeat myself) and so he should have no trouble continuing to put an effective defense on the field using the pile of spare parts he has accumulated since arriving.

Right?
Wade deserves the benefit of the doubt. Without an offseason, he has turned this defense around.

badboy
10-10-2011, 11:48 PM
Yes he did, no he did not.
Yes he is. no he is not.
Trade him, are you crazy?


I love talking about Mario!

mussop
10-11-2011, 12:03 AM
It matters whether you are sending four guys or seven to get pressure.



Cushing and Nolan are on the Dline now?

Just because the god of all linebackers Mario Williams is we will now have to send at least 7 evrytime just just to hope to get pressure on opposing QB's.

And no Cushing and nolan are not d-linemen. I know he said d-line but assumed he meant defense since he said 12 sacks which the actual d-line is no where close to having.

BullNation4Life
10-11-2011, 12:05 AM
I don't think his absence will effect the pass rush very much. However, it is going to hurt our rush defense. If A.Smith and Watt stay healthy and Mitchell can continue to improve, the hits on the QB will keep coming. Reed/Braman don't have to get sacks, they just have to hit that edge and force the QB forward into the pocket. They can do that. Also, Wade will be able to disguise the rush more with a true tweener on the weak side.

Key for the season: OTs stay healthy and AJ comes back very, very soon!

I think the Casey injury is just as big of an issue for the team. Hopefully, he's not gone for the season (no, that doesn't mean I think Casey is better than Mario).

WOW, just wow... I have seen some serious hating in my time, but you sir take the proverbial Hater Cake. Are you freaking kidding me that you honestly think the pass rush will not be effected by Mario's absence? Are you that totally blind and oblivious to how important Mario Williams is to this defense? Oh that's right, you are a stat monger just like allot of the "Arm Chair GMs" Let me explain a little sumptin, sumptin to you...

Now that Mario is out, guess who is going to be the MOST effected person on that line, and if you say Conner Barwin you should be banned from the message boards, that would be Antonio Smith. Why you ask, oh it is very simple, HE will be the one offensive coordinators key on to stop. Smith will be the one double and triple teamed in the trenches. He will become a ghost because Mario is not on the outside reeking havoc, allowing Smith to receive single coverage on the guards. Do you think OCs are game planning for Barwin, or Reed, or even Cody or Mitchell? No they will start to focus on Smith. Smith's job just got a hell of allot harder now that Mario is gone.

See weather you or any other stat monger wants to believe it or not, Mario Williams is a dominate force on the defense. He does allot more on the field than allot of people give him credit for, things that do not show up in the papers, like hitting a QBs arm to cause a INT or flushing out a QB so others can clean up. See I don't see those stats in your or anybody elses blogs. All I see is blinding hate for a kid you has done nothing but improved ever since he was taken in 06. They moved him to another position this year, and he was well on his way to double digit sacks and was absolutely disruptive in the backfield.

Since coming into the league in 06, not counting this year, Mario Williams has had more sacks than Dwight Freeney, same as Julius Peppers, and half a sack off from Mathis. Now of course Freeney and Mathis have greatly benefited from having Manning as the QB and playing from ahead, but the stats still remain, being you are a stat monger...

so to think that anybody else on that defense or on the team would have a more significant impact because of their absence than Mario, not named Matt Schaub or Andre Johnson, is just simply asinine....

mussop
10-11-2011, 12:06 AM
Kubiak - SIX SEASONS - BARELY SNIFFING .500

Jim Schwarz - Only TWO SEASONS - Going to 5-0, and beating
the shit out of a top division rival, winning 3 on the road.

Kubiak does NOTHING to merit EXCUSES.

Man it's hard not to be envious of the lions right now.:toropalm:

Fox
10-11-2011, 12:11 AM
No doubt this is a major loss. He was our best pass rusher, good against the run, and moving him around gave opposing QB's one more thing to think about before every snap.

On the other hand, our defense is much better this season than it ever has been in the Kubiak era, and that's thanks to Wade. Seeing as we still have Wade on our sideline, we're still going to pressure the quarterback and play solid defense, with or without Mario. Major suck, yes, panic time, no.

Time to see if Brooks Reed can turn potential into results after being eased in over the past 4 weeks.

BullNation4Life
10-11-2011, 12:12 AM
Kubiak - SIX SEASONS - BARELY SNIFFING .500

Jim Schwarz - Only TWO SEASONS - Going to 5-0, and beating
the shit out of a top division rival, winning 3 on the road.

Kubiak does NOTHING to merit EXCUSES.

and having top 3 picks for what 3 out of the last 5 years has nothing to do with that?

Not excusing Kubiak but comparing him to Schwarz is not the same. The Lions had to absolutely suck for 5-6 years to get where they are now and get those great picks. Texans have just been mediocre....

Now if you want to compare Kubiak to Peyton and Mike McCarthy, both came in when Kubiak did and BOTH have SB rings, then I will totally agree....

Titanic_sub
10-11-2011, 12:12 AM
I know I originally said that Mario will probably come back the same from this injury, but do any of you think he might not? Dumerville hasn't looked the same since he tore his, he only has 4 tackles this year, after having like 17(?) sacks the year before the injury? Despite being a Titans fan I'm actually a Williams fan as well, I've liked him since you guys drafted him so I just wanted to know what you guys think.

Hervoyel
10-11-2011, 12:31 AM
Wade deserves the benefit of the doubt. Without an offseason, he has turned this defense around.

I agree. Wade's got this.

Won't save the offense though.

mussop
10-11-2011, 12:33 AM
WOW, just wow... I have seen some serious hating in my time, but you sir take the proverbial Hater Cake. Are you freaking kidding me that you honestly think the pass rush will not be effected by Mario's absence? Are you that totally blind and oblivious to how important Mario Williams is to this defense? Oh that's right, you are a stat monger just like allot of the "Arm Chair GMs" Let me explain a little sumptin, sumptin to you...

Now that Mario is out, guess who is going to be the MOST effected person on that line, and if you say Conner Barwin you should be banned from the message boards, that would be Antonio Smith. Why you ask, oh it is very simple, HE will be the one offensive coordinators key on to stop. Smith will be the one double and triple teamed in the trenches. He will become a ghost because Mario is not on the outside reeking havoc, allowing Smith to receive single coverage on the guards. Do you think OCs are game planning for Barwin, or Reed, or even Cody or Mitchell? No they will start to focus on Smith. Smith's job just got a hell of allot harder now that Mario is gone.

See weather you or any other stat monger wants to believe it or not, Mario Williams is a dominate force on the defense. He does allot more on the field than allot of people give him credit for, things that do not show up in the papers, like hitting a QBs arm to cause a INT or flushing out a QB so others can clean up. See I don't see those stats in your or anybody elses blogs. All I see is blinding hate for a kid you has done nothing but improved ever since he was taken in 06. They moved him to another position this year, and he was well on his way to double digit sacks and was absolutely disruptive in the backfield.

Since coming into the league in 06, not counting this year, Mario Williams has had more sacks than Dwight Freeney, same as Julius Peppers, and half a sack off from Mathis. Now of course Freeney and Mathis have greatly benefited from having Manning as the QB and playing from ahead, but the stats still remain, being you are a stat monger...

so to think that anybody else on that defense or on the team would have a more significant impact because of their absence than Mario, not named Matt Schaub or Andre Johnson, is just simply asinine....

Wow just wow is right. You are in a dreamworld. You talk about Mario like he was Lawrence freaking Taylor and Reggie White all rolled up into one super player. I mean if anyone says anything critical of Mario in the least bit you guys go off like someone just insulted your mother.

I'm just wondering what you all are going to be saying If there is no drop off or the D actually improves without Mario. You'll probably give Mario the credit for being on the sidelines and keeping the team pumped up.

Lucky
10-11-2011, 01:07 AM
Not excusing Kubiak but comparing him to Schwarz is not the same. The Lions had to absolutely suck for 5-6 years to get where they are now and get those great picks. Texans have just been mediocre....
Nope, it really is an excuse. In fact, ladies & gentlemen, a new excuse. The Texans haven't sucked hard enough. Guess those meaningless late season win streaks worked against the Texans (but worked for Kubiak).

I like this one better than the hurricane Ike excuse. More football related. Plus, I can bash Kubiak for winning, as well as losing.

houstonspartan
10-11-2011, 01:25 AM
Nope, it really is an excuse. In fact, ladies & gentlemen, a new excuse. The Texans haven't sucked hard enough. Guess those meaningless late season win streaks worked against the Texans (but worked for Kubiak).

I like this one better than the hurricane Ike excuse. More football related. Plus, I can bash Kubiak for winning, as well as losing.

Man, don't get me going on Excuse Number 3,931: Hurricane Ike.

We drove that excuse INTO THE GROUND for about two years.

Texecutioner
10-11-2011, 01:25 AM
Nope, it really is an excuse. In fact, ladies & gentlemen, a new excuse. The Texans haven't sucked hard enough. Guess those meaningless late season win streaks worked against the Texans (but worked for Kubiak).

I like this one better than the hurricane Ike excuse. More football related. Plus, I can bash Kubiak for winning, as well as losing.

Man, this one might be the best one we've heard yet Lucky. Lol! We didn't suck bad enough to get all of those top ten picks and the Lions actually gained an advantage. Gotta love the comedy of this board sometimes.

houstonspartan
10-11-2011, 01:29 AM
Man, this one might be the best one we've heard yet Lucky. Lol! We didn't suck bad enough to get all of those top ten picks and the Lions actually gained an advantage. Gotta love the comedy of this board sometimes.

Tex,

The irony is, as someone who follows the Lions (since I'm from there), they did ZERO with all those great picks. That's why Matt Millen was considered such a massive failure. They had top 10 picks for about a decade, and did nothing with them. Nada. Zilch.

The current Lions are the Houston Oilers legacy continued. Jim Schwartz was taught that big, smash mouth defense is what wins, and that's what he did with free agency and draft picks.

thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 01:34 AM
Tex,

The irony is, as someone who follows the Lions (since I'm from there), they did ZERO with all those great picks. That's why Matt Millen was considered such a massive failure. They had top 10 picks for about a decade, and did nothing with them. Nada. Zilch.

The current Lions are the Houston Oilers legacy continued. Jim Schwartz was taught that big, smash mouth defense is what wins, and that's what he did with free agency and draft picks.

When he said three of the last five, I thought he was talking about Calvin Johnson, Matthew Stafford, & Ndamakonadffa Suh....

just guessing.

DexmanC
10-11-2011, 03:38 AM
and having top 3 picks for what 3 out of the last 5 years has nothing to do with that?

Not excusing Kubiak but comparing him to Schwarz is not the same. The Lions had to absolutely suck for 5-6 years to get where they are now and get those great picks. Texans have just been mediocre....

Now if you want to compare Kubiak to Peyton and Mike McCarthy, both came in when Kubiak did and BOTH have SB rings, then I will totally agree....

They made the right selections with those picks.
Johnson, Stafford, Suh in CONSECUTIVE DRAFTS.

Having a top pick ain't enough. It's what
you DO with it. No more excuses for Kubiak, please.

Didn't the Texans pass over Patrick Willis, Marshawn Lynch,
Darrelle Revis, Michael Griffin, Dwayne Bowe, Brandon Meriweather,
and Sidney Rice to take Amobi Okoye with the TENTH OVERALL
PICK in 2007? 'Nuff said.

The Texans have playoff level talent RIGHT NOW, and have for MORE THAN
3 SEASONS. It takes a coach to make those ingredients come together to
form a WINNER.

Dishman
10-11-2011, 06:51 AM
They made the right selections with those picks.
Johnson, Stafford, Suh in CONSECUTIVE DRAFTS.

Having a top pick ain't enough. It's what
you DO with it. No more excuses for Kubiak, please.

Didn't the Texans pass over Patrick Willis, Marshawn Lynch,
Darrelle Revis, Michael Griffin, Dwayne Bowe, Brandon Meriweather,
and Sidney Rice to take Amobi Okoye with the TENTH OVERALL
PICK in 2007? 'Nuff said.

The Texans have playoff level talent RIGHT NOW, and have for MORE THAN
3 SEASONS. It takes a coach to make those ingredients come together to
form a WINNER.

A-freakin'-men! There is ZERO room for excuses. Hell, this man right here has been saying this for years, and he's been so right, but some Texans fans couldn't recognize their own hand 6 inches from their face. If we're gonna whine that the Texans were only mediocre enough to secure a top 10 pick, lets remember what they did with it. Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith were only good enough to bring this franchise just a slight tick up from incompetent to mediocre. Some Sundays Gary likes to remind us all had bad things used to be by letting the team fall apart. Oh wait, most Sundays.

CloakNNNdagger
10-11-2011, 07:16 AM
How many of these "success" qualities do you see in Kubiak the coach?

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR5CYBzIZ8g9jf-9GxVjrU3YLz23iY7eteZPaJqrZg4d-nwV14l

Texan_Bill
10-11-2011, 08:44 AM
Caller on 790....

Mario got hurt because he was playing out of position....

:toropalm:

Caller FAIL!

BigBull17
10-11-2011, 09:46 AM
This sucks big donkey balls but the mario nutt huggers on here are ridiculous. He was playing the run really well but despite his sack number he wasn't killing it in the pass rush department. And he was not our best or most important defensive player. Does it suck he's hurt? He'll yes! But the hype over this is as overblown as his pass rush skills.

Wonder if we are considering signing what's his name that had a tryout recently. You know the guy the jets cut? Blanking on his name for some reason.

I'm telling you man, this hurts a bit more than you think. I will say at least you didn't post a list of the 45 guys more important. We just agree to disagree. Most of my posts are aimed at Dale, because he is freaking delusional when it comes to this topic.

Could u image Mario in a packers Uni or even a steeler !!!!!!!!!! that would be scary

I almost wish it would happen. I bet people would feel warm and fuzzy if Mario was in Green Bay and getting DMVP trophys. We have so many people who refuse to believe that he is a good player.

Wow just wow is right. You are in a dreamworld. You talk about Mario like he was Lawrence freaking Taylor and Reggie White all rolled up into one super player. I mean if anyone says anything critical of Mario in the least bit you guys go off like someone just insulted your mother.

I'm just wondering what you all are going to be saying If there is no drop off or the D actually improves without Mario. You'll probably give Mario the credit for being on the sidelines and keeping the team pumped up.

If there is no drop off, then I will be the first to say that they should tag him and then traade him. I don't think I will be saying that though. This isn't losing a special teamer or a role player. This is losing one of the teams focal points of the defense. He is a complete package DE/OLB. One of the better pass rushers who is lock down on the run. Reed is...not ready.

HJam72
10-11-2011, 09:56 AM
They made the right selections with those picks.
Johnson, Stafford, Suh in CONSECUTIVE DRAFTS.

Having a top pick ain't enough. It's what
you DO with it. No more excuses for Kubiak, please.

Didn't the Texans pass over Patrick Willis, Marshawn Lynch,
Darrelle Revis, Michael Griffin, Dwayne Bowe, Brandon Meriweather,
and Sidney Rice to take Amobi Okoye with the TENTH OVERALL
PICK in 2007? 'Nuff said.

The Texans have playoff level talent RIGHT NOW, and have for MORE THAN
3 SEASONS. It takes a coach to make those ingredients come together to
form a WINNER.

Gotta agree with that. It's an "OUCH!!!"er and I was just screaming for Revis at the time.

Texan_Bill
10-11-2011, 10:08 AM
:rolleyes:

15 teams passed on Jerry Rice.

Every team passed on John Randle, Warren Moon, Jeff Saturday, Nate Newton, Tony Romo, Priest Holmes, Antonio Gates, Cliff Harris, and "Night Train" Lane. :shades:

Grams
10-11-2011, 10:10 AM
:rolleyes:

15 teams passed on Jerry Rice.

Every team passed on John Randle, Warren Moon, Jeff Saturday, Nate Newton, Tony Romo, Priest Holmes, Antonio Gates, Cliff Harris, and "Night Train" Lane. :shades:

I think every team passed on Joe Montana and Tom Brady - several times.

BigBull17
10-11-2011, 10:20 AM
:rolleyes:

15 teams passed on Jerry Rice.

Every team passed on John Randle, Warren Moon, Jeff Saturday, Nate Newton, Tony Romo, Priest Holmes, Antonio Gates, Cliff Harris, and "Night Train" Lane. :shades:

True, but I could tell with my eyes that Wilis was WAY better than Zerokoye. He also wasn't a ****ing Eagle Scout.

Goatcheese
10-11-2011, 10:22 AM
My reactions in order:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMTE8qnJ7h8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s
http://emooranges.ytmnd.com/

BigBull17
10-11-2011, 10:24 AM
My reactions in order:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMTE8qnJ7h8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s
http://emooranges.ytmnd.com/

So you have one of the worst scenes ever put into a movie, and one of the whinest songs ever written? Fits the Texans...

BullNation4Life
10-11-2011, 11:45 AM
They made the right selections with those picks.
Johnson, Stafford, Suh in CONSECUTIVE DRAFTS.

Having a top pick ain't enough. It's what
you DO with it. No more excuses for Kubiak, please.

Didn't the Texans pass over Patrick Willis, Marshawn Lynch,
Darrelle Revis, Michael Griffin, Dwayne Bowe, Brandon Meriweather,
and Sidney Rice to take Amobi Okoye with the TENTH OVERALL
PICK in 2007? 'Nuff said.

The Texans have playoff level talent RIGHT NOW, and have for MORE THAN
3 SEASONS. It takes a coach to make those ingredients come together to
form a WINNER.

I must shamefully agree to everything you said, especially about the bolded part...:toropalm:

BullNation4Life
10-11-2011, 11:51 AM
Wow just wow is right. You are in a dreamworld. You talk about Mario like he was Lawrence freaking Taylor and Reggie White all rolled up into one super player. I mean if anyone says anything critical of Mario in the least bit you guys go off like someone just insulted your mother.

I'm just wondering what you all are going to be saying If there is no drop off or the D actually improves without Mario. You'll probably give Mario the credit for being on the sidelines and keeping the team pumped up.

Not a dreamworld, just facts. Never said he was any of those players but Mario does mean more than any of you haters want to give credit or have ever given credit. I don't care if you speak critical of any player on the Texans, as long as it not an agenda and most of the time it's an agenda because when he plays well, stat monger and bloggers are no where to be found, he does wrong and they are like maggots to a rotting corpse...

The D isn't going to improve and there will be a drop off for the simple fact you now have an unproven Rookie filling in for Mario. Who on that Dline, if you are an OC, are you worried about now? Smith maybe? ok double him all day now who you worried about? Watt? Watt is still a rookie, Barwin is still unproven and Cody is a joke. Watch how team now will run all day at Reed knowing he is a rookie still learning this system...

If don't think there will be a drop off, then you are in the dreamworld...

Grams
10-11-2011, 11:53 AM
Could have, should have, what if's - don't mean a thing. Nothing can change the past.

The Texans needs to focus on the team they have.

Rey
10-11-2011, 12:48 PM
As long as you get there it matters how? The Texans got there early and often. Campbell played a good game and hung in there knowing he would get clobbered. That's a distinct difference compared to Shoelace Schaub.

It matters because you lose something in coverage.

That's why teams strive for the ability to get to the passer with just sending 4.

mussop
10-11-2011, 12:52 PM
Not a dreamworld, just facts. Never said he was any of those players but Mario does mean more than any of you haters want to give credit or have ever given credit. I don't care if you speak critical of any player on the Texans, as long as it not an agenda and most of the time it's an agenda because when he plays well, stat monger and bloggers are no where to be found, he does wrong and they are like maggots to a rotting corpse...

The D isn't going to improve and there will be a drop off for the simple fact you now have an unproven Rookie filling in for Mario. Who on that Dline, if you are an OC, are you worried about now? Smith maybe? ok double him all day now who you worried about? Watt? Watt is still a rookie, Barwin is still unproven and Cody is a joke. Watch how team now will run all day at Reed knowing he is a rookie still learning this system...

If don't think there will be a drop off, then you are in the dreamworld...

Facts yeh right. Funny also how you call people stat mongers yet you try and use stats to prove alot of your points and seldom have the facts right when you do. For instance, we run a 3/4 so when you say d-line the fact is we only have three of them.

Also I'm not a hater or a nutt hugger (like you), I'm a realist. I don't develop my opinions from ESPN highlights or nationl media hype. It takes more than one or two good plays a game for me to lable a player great.

You may be right about the defense dropping off but you act as if it's a fact that it's going to happen. You probably hope it will just so you can act like you knew all along when in fact you don't have anymore a clue than any poster here.

Heres a fact for you. We lost a really good player and it sucks but you need to quit acting like it's the colts loosing manning. Will there be areas that Mario's strengths will be missed in? Sure! There are still 10 other starters that are going to be doing the same thing they have been doing all year and we drafted a guy (Reed) in the second round just for that position.

So sorry the guy you have a mancrush on go hurt but It's not the end of the world so quit getting your panties in a wad everytime says something about Mario that isn't worshiping him.

Hervoyel
10-11-2011, 01:10 PM
I think obviously there will be a drop off and it will continue until Reed gets his legs under him. Some guys never make that transition like Jason Babin who had to go back to being a 4-3 pass rushing specialist to rediscover his game. Others just take to it. It looked to me like Mario was coming around and starting to make some noise as an OLB but now we won't know until next year if ever. Reed has to hit the ground running and catch up with the rest of the guys.

We need Reed to catch fire immediately. Everything else in this part of the country goes up in seconds these days at the first opportunity, why not Brooks Reed?

Kaiser Toro
10-11-2011, 01:12 PM
Everything else in this part of the country goes up in seconds these days at the first opportunity, why not Brooks Reed?

Because he is a kid.

Hervoyel
10-11-2011, 01:15 PM
Because he is a kid.

Well then Gary needs to get him a glass a milk and woobie then. He needs lots of rest and a calm, nurturing environment to grow in so he get back and strong like Mario for Sunday's game!

TdotTexas2Step
10-11-2011, 01:31 PM
We need Reed to catch fire immediately. Everything else in this part of the country goes up in seconds these days at the first opportunity, why not Brooks Reed?

If we end up losing against the Ravens, I at least hope Reed has a good game. That would make it bearable.

Vinny
10-11-2011, 01:36 PM
Reed is a liability vs the run right now. I think its gonna take some time, but we don't have that. All of a sudden we are playing with two rookie starters in our front 7

Hervoyel
10-11-2011, 01:39 PM
If we end up losing against the Ravens, I at least hope Reed has a good game. That would make it bearable.

Baltimore's offense can go off on you but I think that our defense isn't going to be in nearly as much trouble as our offense. You can get to Flacco and you can contain Ray Rice. If you can hold McFadden down like we did this week then there's no reason why Ray Rice should blow you up.

Unfortunately without Andre Johnson (again) and with nothing but Jacoby Jones to replace him with the Ravens will do what the Raiders did to us. Once Foster is under control Matt will be a big ol' slow target for Ray Lewis & Co.

dalemurphy
10-11-2011, 01:50 PM
So you won't be playing the injury card to defend Kubiak, if he fails to win in 2011?

If the Texans can't win the division this year, Kubiak needs to be fired and replaced by someone competent. I'll still like the guy, but I won't be able to defend his inability to get this team to the playoffs. The division is too ripe for the taking. Tennessee is the only competition (and that's being generous) and they've lost one of their best players as well from injury.

dalemurphy
10-11-2011, 01:55 PM
Reed is a liability vs the run right now. I think its gonna take some time, but we don't have that. All of a sudden we are playing with two rookie starters in our front 7


I agree. The run game is a huge issue with the loss of Mario. The best solution will be for the offense to play like they are capable of and continue to pressure opposing offenses to put up points. If they can do that, I think Wade will continue to get pressure on the QB.

Rey
10-11-2011, 01:58 PM
So far Reed has looked like the kind of guy that once an OL gets his hands on him he's done. He doesn't look strong enough to me right now.

Hopefully he can come in and get comfortable and do some good things.

steelbtexan
10-11-2011, 02:04 PM
Not a dreamworld, just facts. Never said he was any of those players but Mario does mean more than any of you haters want to give credit or have ever given credit. I don't care if you speak critical of any player on the Texans, as long as it not an agenda and most of the time it's an agenda because when he plays well, stat monger and bloggers are no where to be found, he does wrong and they are like maggots to a rotting corpse...

The D isn't going to improve and there will be a drop off for the simple fact you now have an unproven Rookie filling in for Mario. Who on that Dline, if you are an OC, are you worried about now? Smith maybe? ok double him all day now who you worried about? Watt? Watt is still a rookie, Barwin is still unproven and Cody is a joke. Watch how team now will run all day at Reed knowing he is a rookie still learning this system...

If don't think there will be a drop off, then you are in the dreamworld...

Am I a hater because MW played 5 good games this yr? about 8 the yr before? He was good for about 12-14 with the groin injury the yr before. ^ games his rookie yr with the planter fascitis (?) Just sayin MW cant stay healthy and shouldn't be signed to a long term contract.

And this has nothing to do with AJ. He's already signed his long term contract, so the comittment has already been made. If it's me I franchise MW trade him for picks. (1st/3rd) and use the $$$$ saved in FA on a WR2 and a CB2. But that's just me. I prefer a team that's solid all over the field and has depth. So that we dont have to watch the JJ/DA/Vickers/Allens of the world when a starter gets injured.

HOU-TEX
10-11-2011, 02:15 PM
Reed is a liability vs the run right now. I think its gonna take some time, but we don't have that. All of a sudden we are playing with two rookie starters in our front 7

Yuppers! And we're heading to Rice and Leach's house this Sunday. Doh!

80tothezone
10-11-2011, 02:22 PM
Baltimore's offense can go off on you but I think that our defense isn't going to be in nearly as much trouble as our offense. You can get to Flacco and you can contain Ray Rice. If you can hold McFadden down like we did this week then there's no reason why Ray Rice should blow you up.

Unfortunately without Andre Johnson (again) and with nothing but Jacoby Jones to replace him with the Ravens will do what the Raiders did to us. Once Foster is under control Matt will be a big ol' slow target for Ray Lewis & Co.

I think the OL knows they got schallacked(sp) and they come out with a purpose on Sunday. I am expecting a marcelles wallace after he was abused in pulp fiction

thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 02:27 PM
If the Texans can't win the division this year, Kubiak needs to be fired and replaced by someone competent. I'll still like the guy, but I won't be able to defend his inability to get this team to the playoffs. The division is too ripe for the taking. Tennessee is the only competition (and that's being generous) and they've lost one of their best players as well from injury.

So Tennessee loses one of their best players & they are a weaker team.. not even considered good competition.

We lose one of our best players... & we should win the division no matter what?

I'm just not following.

Big Valley
10-11-2011, 02:28 PM
If it's me I franchise MW trade him for picks. (1st/3rd) and use the $$$$ saved in FA on a WR2 and a CB2. But that's just me.

Totally agree with this. Mario hasn't shown enough for the Texans (due to injuries/disappearing in games the last 6 years) to warrant the huge contract he'll certainly sign with the Jets or Eagles, etc...

Franchise and trade--this is the best option.

thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 02:30 PM
If it's me I franchise MW trade him for picks. (1st/3rd)

If the issue is his inability to stay healthy, why would another team sign him for big money & give you a 1st & a 3rd for someone you don't want?

HOU-TEX
10-11-2011, 02:31 PM
I think the OL knows they got schallacked(sp) and they come out with a purpose on Sunday. I am expecting a marcelles wallace after he was abused in pulp fiction

I am expecting Ngata and Cody to abuse our interior Oline. Ngata's had a field day with us in the past. I think we've gotten a little better up front, but so have they by adding Cody. In addition to those two, there will be blitzes from everywhere considering how bad Schaub is when blitzed.

NitroGSXR
10-11-2011, 02:38 PM
Isn't Mario under contract right now? If so, how does franchising and trading Mario help us this season? Franchising is only an offseason option.

Rey
10-11-2011, 02:48 PM
I am expecting Ngata and Cody to abuse our interior Oline. Ngata's had a field day with us in the past. I think we've gotten a little better up front, but so have they by adding Cody. In addition to those two, there will be blitzes from everywhere considering how bad Schaub is when blitzed.


They had Cody when we played them last year.

BigBull17
10-11-2011, 03:12 PM
I am expecting Ngata and Cody to abuse our interior Oline. Ngata's had a field day with us in the past. I think we've gotten a little better up front, but so have they by adding Cody. In addition to those two, there will be blitzes from everywhere considering how bad Schaub is when blitzed.

With big boys, you have to make them defend the boundry. Get that 400 pound **** and 360 pound **** playing the stretch every 3rd play and see how long they are active.

HOU-TEX
10-11-2011, 03:30 PM
They had Cody when we played them last year.

He's been much more effective this year than last.

HOU-TEX
10-11-2011, 03:31 PM
With big boys, you have to make them defend the boundry. Get that 400 pound **** and 360 pound **** playing the stretch every 3rd play and see how long they are active.

Ngata had no apparent problems against the stretch run the last time we faced them. Why would he now

BullNation4Life
10-11-2011, 04:00 PM
Facts yeh right. Funny also how you call people stat mongers yet you try and use stats to prove alot of your points and seldom have the facts right when you do. For instance, we run a 3/4 so when you say d-line the fact is we only have three of them.

Also I'm not a hater or a nutt hugger (like you), I'm a realist. I don't develop my opinions from ESPN highlights or nationl media hype. It takes more than one or two good plays a game for me to lable a player great.

You may be right about the defense dropping off but you act as if it's a fact that it's going to happen. You probably hope it will just so you can act like you knew all along when in fact you don't have anymore a clue than any poster here.

Heres a fact for you. We lost a really good player and it sucks but you need to quit acting like it's the colts loosing manning. Will there be areas that Mario's strengths will be missed in? Sure! There are still 10 other starters that are going to be doing the same thing they have been doing all year and we drafted a guy (Reed) in the second round just for that position.

So sorry the guy you have a mancrush on go hurt but It's not the end of the world so quit getting your panties in a wad everytime says something about Mario that isn't worshiping him.

You're not a hater but your are a realist? What the F ever. That's like saying "I'm not a kool aide drinker or a homer, I'm just optimistic about my team. "Realist" and hater are the same damn thing, sorry your too oblivious to understand the difference. Never said loosing Mario Williams was like loosing Manning, HOWEVA it is going to be a significant drop off in sacks and pressure with him gone, sorry it's gonna happen. I don't need to "hug nuts" to know who holds value on a team that I cheer for, nor do I need to be an assclown, no sorry a "realist" to know Mario Williams does a hell of allot more than most give him credit for and if you think some unproven rookie is going to step right in and everything will go on as planned, put the pipe down and walk away.

It takes more than 2 plays for you to label a player great, what about 2 pro bowls? Oh that's right, that isn't enough for the "realist" to call a player great, or even very very good, no a player like Mario Williams has to get 16+ sacks a year and push for the all time sack record each year for a player like Williams to be great, right.

Sorry dude, that isn't being a realist, that is being asinine and delusional as to how the game is played.

Oh and just so you know, Wade Phillips actually runs a 5-2 defense in which you have 5 on the line, even though two are called OLBs, they play a 9 technique, which is wide of the Tackle/TE, basically a standing DE. So when I say Mario is a DL, those who understand the system should know what I am referring to...

thunderkyss
10-11-2011, 05:19 PM
That's like saying "I'm not a kool aide drinker or a homer, I'm just optimistic about my team. "Realist" and hater are the same damn thing,

Look, you're making it difficult for the rest of us homer's with arguments like this.


Also I'm not a hater or a nutt hugger (like you), I'm a realist. I don't develop my opinions from ESPN highlights or nationl media hype. It takes more than one or two good plays a game for me to lable a player great.

You may be right about the defense dropping off but you act as if it's a fact that it's going to happen.



actually, that is pretty realistic.

PapaL
10-11-2011, 06:03 PM
I'm rewatching the game..... Mario got his sack early in the 1st qtr... that's also when he got hurt & left the game. Jason Campbell was sacked twice after that.... & he's taking a beating in the second half. Tim Jamison even dusted his cleats off with him a couple of times.

Plenty of pressure without the big guy.


By that logic the offense has been been great without AJ because Walter has 2 TD catches since since he went down. Come on TK, you know neither of those stats tell the true story of how both the Offense and Defense have played since the injuries.

steelbtexan
10-11-2011, 07:06 PM
Isn't Mario under contract right now? If so, how does franchising and trading Mario help us this season? Franchising is only an offseason option.

It doesn't

The Texans are screwed if Reed cant reasonably fill Williams shoes this season. Barwin will probably be playing alot in MW's spot and Reed will be playing alot in Barwins spot.

Doppelganger
10-11-2011, 07:08 PM
So, when do the Cowher signatures come back? Nothing you can really do about injuries, but Kubiak is not a good enough HC to will his team to more wins while the team goes through this injury bug.

What do you mean come back?! I have been rocking mine throughout!

steelbtexan
10-11-2011, 07:14 PM
If the issue is his inability to stay healthy, why would another team sign him for big money & give you a 1st & a 3rd for someone you don't want?

MW probably wont get huge $$$$. (Peppers) But still get a really good contract. (J.Allen)

Some team will be lured in by MW's potential and if he can stay healthy (big if) and cut down on the partying. He will become the player we hoped he would become. I could see a team like New England for taking a chance on MW. They have an abundance of draft pick and the $$$$ to spend.

jtexas
10-11-2011, 07:40 PM
MW probably wont get huge $$$$. (Peppers) But still get a really good contract. (J.Allen)

Some team will be lured in by MW's potential and if he can stay healthy (big if) and cut down on the partying. He will become the player we hoped he would become. I could see a team like New England for taking a chance on MW. They have an abundance of draft pick and the $$$$ to spend.

Someone will offer him Peppers type money. He should be the best FA available.

False Start
10-11-2011, 08:12 PM
So, when do the Cowher signatures come back? Nothing you can really do about injuries, but Kubiak is not a good enough HC to will his team to more wins while the team goes through this injury bug.

Here Ya go:

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/J4103V/COWHER2012copy.jpg

Tailgate
10-11-2011, 08:18 PM
I still can not effing believe we lost Mario for the entire season because of a gay ass pectoral muscle injury. Why the hell are we so friggin cursed?!?!?

dalemurphy
10-12-2011, 12:02 AM
So Tennessee loses one of their best players & they are a weaker team.. not even considered good competition.

We lose one of our best players... & we should win the division no matter what?

I'm just not following.

Tennessee has undergone a coaching change, a QB change, lost essential talent on both sides of the ball, and weren't great to begin with. Because they have veterans that know how to win, if the Texans fail, Tennessee could finish at 9-7.

Yes, the coaching staff, in year six, needs to prove it can get this thing done. Come on, TK! I love Kubiak but he needs to finish this division off without excuses.

thunderkyss
10-12-2011, 12:06 AM
Yes, the coaching staff, in year six, needs to prove it can get this thing done. Come on, TK! I love Kubiak but he needs to finish this division off without excuses.

I'm in total agreement. I just don't care how tough it's going to be & I don't think we should minimize the affects of our injuries.

The Titans can go 12-4, if we don't win the division, I still want Kubiak gone.

Carr Bombed
10-13-2011, 09:49 PM
In other news....Carl Mauck just called in and called Mario Williams a WIMP on sports radio 610. Which leads me to believe that Mauck is either a moron or players aren't near as tough as they used to be...

Fot Mauck's sake, I'm going to say it's a mixture of both. Mario can't play with this injury and players back then just continued to play with rediculous injuries that would absolutely land today's players on I.R. Having said that, It was nice from hearing from Mauck again..we need more players like that on this team.

BigBull17
10-14-2011, 10:32 AM
Ngata had no apparent problems against the stretch run the last time we faced them. Why would he now

Didn't say it was the secret ingrediant, but it's a better idea than dives right at him. If you make him play sideline to sideline for 60 minutes, he will eventually run out of gas. In the NFL, one play can make a difference. He runs out of gas in the 4th quarter, good things can happen.

BigBull17
10-14-2011, 10:34 AM
In other news....Carl Mauck just called in and called Mario Williams a WIMP on sports radio 610. Which leads me to believe that Mauck is either a moron or players aren't near as tough as they used to be...

Fot Mauck's sake, I'm going to say it's a mixture of both. Mario can't play with this injury and players back then just continued to play with rediculous injuries that would absolutely land today's players on I.R. Having said that, It was nice from hearing from Mauck again..we need more players like that on this team.

I "toughed" out a torn rotator cuff for a year, and it ended up costing me my football career. The damage was to extream. You can play through being hurt, not being injured.

CloakNNNdagger
10-16-2011, 01:37 AM
[SIZE="4"]After surgery, Mario Williams faces 3-4 month rehab
Posted by Mike Florio on October 15, 2011, 9:38 PM EDT
Mario Williams AP

Texans linebacker Mario Williams suffered a torn pectoral muscle last Sunday against the Raiders. He was placed on injured reserve earlier this week. On Friday, he underwent surgery to repair the injury.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Williams will spend the next three-to-four months rehabilitating the muscle. That means he’ll be back at 100 percent in January or February.

By late February, the Texans will have to decide whether to use the franchise tag on Williams, if he isn’t signed to a long-term deal by the team before then.



In five games at outside linebacker in the 3-4 defense, Williams showed that he can play in that alignment or at defensive end in the 4-3, which should make him attractive to more teams. It’s not believed that the injury will impact his value.

That said, his value surely would have been higher if, for example, he had been playing in January and bagging multiple sacks in postseason games. Still, Williams will likely set a new high-water mark for defensive players, of/when he hits the open market.

Surgical rehab for a pectoral reattachment involves ~3 weeks in a sling with passive ROM (range of motion) not being begun until the 3rd week. Progressive ROM and strengthening will occur over a 12-16 week period. However, for example in weight lifting, most surgeons will discourage lifting greater than 50% of the athlete's previous 1 repetition maximum be performed until 6 months post-operative. Furthermore, the use of heavy weighted pec dec and flys are typically avoided for up to 6 months due to the great amount of concentrated stress to the pectoralis major.

Although ~90% of athletes surgically repaired can expect to return to close to 100% of pre-injury level of performance, Mario is unlikely to reach that level earlier than 6 months following his repair.

EDIT: For anyone interested, here is a very good VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWTO4uIrPws&feature=related) that demonstrates Mario's injury and one of the most common techniques used in its repair. (BTW, any signs of blood are absent in the making of this video)

kiwitexansfan
10-16-2011, 01:39 AM
Back in January........

Maybe we shouldn't of IR'ed him, we could of had him back for the Superbowl.