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thunderkyss
10-07-2011, 07:54 PM
Really?

I don't think so. 4 games, 4 sacks..... has he ever done that before? This man is different, this man can finish.

Has he been our most consistent defensive lineman for the last 2-3 years? Sure. Has he always had a knack for showing up in the backfield? Sure.

But what's he ever done since he got back there? Wave his hands around, poorly trail the HB with the ball..... He might cause the RB to redirect. He might cause the QB to throw the ball higher, but that's about it.

He wasn't a finisher. To be a finisher, he doesn't have to get sacks... not imo. He doesn't have to tackle the ball carrier in the backfield.

But he does have to affect the play in a negative way. & that is where he has improved his game 10 fold. He was always a hair short, now he's making a difference, now DCs & QBs are worried about 94.

Years past, I felt if Mario wasn't doing it, it wasn't going to get done. If Mario wasn't in the game.... we're in for a long game. Now, I think Antonio & them boys on Kirby can & will do their thang with or without Mario Williams.

I'm still thankful the big guy is on our team, but now, if he's a little knicked up.. has a strain here, or an ache there, NOW we've got a rotation that will allow him to sit out a game or two, get healthy & come back & contribute.


All thanks to 94.

EllisUnit
10-07-2011, 08:06 PM
Really?

I don't think so. 4 games, 4 sacks..... has he ever done that before? This man is different, this man can finish.

Has he been our most consistent defensive lineman for the last 2-3 years? Sure. Has he always had a knack for showing up in the backfield? Sure.

But what's he ever done since he got back there? Wave his hands around, poorly trail the HB with the ball..... He might cause the RB to redirect. He might cause the QB to throw the ball higher, but that's about it.

He wasn't a finisher. To be a finisher, he doesn't have to get sacks... not imo. He doesn't have to tackle the ball carrier in the backfield.

But he does have to affect the play in a negative way. & that is where he has improved his game 10 fold. He was always a hair short, now he's making a difference, now DCs & QBs are worried about 94.

Years past, I felt if Mario wasn't doing it, it wasn't going to get done. If Mario wasn't in the game.... we're in for a long game. Now, I think Antonio & them boys on Kirby can & will do their thang with or without Mario Williams.

I'm still thankful the big guy is on our team, but now, if he's a little knicked up.. has a strain here, or an ache there, NOW we've got a rotation that will allow him to sit out a game or two, get healthy & come back & contribute.


All thanks to 94.

i think he is also benefiting from pressure coming from everywhere now. The QB cant just run to the right/left now cause we also have pressure off the ends. He is a beast for sure but the added pressure is helping him finish now IMO

Carr Bombed
10-07-2011, 08:48 PM
LOL, why do people get so wrapped up in sacks? It's one of the most overrated stats in football. I'll take a guy who consistently gets into the backfield and supplies pressure over a guy who racks up sacks and then disappears.

This reminds me of a ignorant argument another poster made...it involved Dwight Freeney and other elite pass rushers. Their argument was that "even Dwight (and other pass rushers) has stretches where he doesn't get sacks".. Yeah, that's true, but guess what Dwight DOES do. He consistently gets into the backfield and gets into the QBs head whether he's getting sacks or not. Last Monday night he had a VERY impressive performance and didn't even tally one single tackle...go figure. :rolleyes:

Does it really matter if Smith wasn't "racking up sacks" last season. He was our best defensive lineman and consistently knifed into the backfield last year. You know maybe when you improve a secondary, those near misses turn into sacks. Something to think about.

Anyways glad people are finally coming around to the great player that Smith has been for us.

imatexan
10-07-2011, 08:53 PM
LMAO, why do people get so wrapped up in sacks? It's one of the most overrated stats in football. I'll take a guy who consistently gets into the backfield and supplies pressure over a guy who racks up sacks and then disappears.

This reminds me of a ignorant argument another poster made...it involved Dwight Freeney and other elite pass rushers. Their argument was that "even Dwight (and other pass rushers) has stretches where he doesn't get sacks".. Yeah, that's true, but guess what Dwight DOES do. He consistently gets into the backfield and gets into the QBs head whether he's getting sacks or not. Last Monday night he had a VERY impressive performance and didn't even tally one single tackle...go figure. :rolleyes:

Also who the hell cares if Smith wasn't "racking up sacks" last season. he was our best defensive lineman and consistently knifed into the backfield last year. You know maybe when you improve a secondary, those near misses turn into sacks. Did you ever think of that.

The point?

In short: Antonio Smith is playing at a very high level and maybe even the best he has ever played and I agree with that.

BullNation4Life
10-07-2011, 09:12 PM
Really?

I don't think so. 4 games, 4 sacks..... has he ever done that before? This man is different, this man can finish.

Has he been our most consistent defensive lineman for the last 2-3 years? Sure. Has he always had a knack for showing up in the backfield? Sure.

But what's he ever done since he got back there? Wave his hands around, poorly trail the HB with the ball..... He might cause the RB to redirect. He might cause the QB to throw the ball higher, but that's about it.

He wasn't a finisher. To be a finisher, he doesn't have to get sacks... not imo. He doesn't have to tackle the ball carrier in the backfield.

But he does have to affect the play in a negative way. & that is where he has improved his game 10 fold. He was always a hair short, now he's making a difference, now DCs & QBs are worried about 94.

Years past, I felt if Mario wasn't doing it, it wasn't going to get done. If Mario wasn't in the game.... we're in for a long game. Now, I think Antonio & them boys on Kirby can & will do their thang with or without Mario Williams.

I'm still thankful the big guy is on our team, but now, if he's a little knicked up.. has a strain here, or an ache there, NOW we've got a rotation that will allow him to sit out a game or two, get healthy & come back & contribute.


All thanks to 94.

No brother, all thanks goes to the fat man on the sideline they call defensive Coordinator for putting Smith in a position to succeed. Smith has always had the talent, showed that in Arizona, but due to knucklehead DCs in the past not utilizing his skills, has shown very little up till now.

Now that he and Phillips defense are like peas and carrots, I sit anticipating #94 darting through the line making a Guard look stupid while he hits the QB...

Gotta enjoy the little things in this crazy ass world.... For me this is one of them...

BullNation4Life
10-07-2011, 09:15 PM
LOL, why do people get so wrapped up in sacks? It's one of the most overrated stats in football. I'll take a guy who consistently gets into the backfield and supplies pressure over a guy who racks up sacks and then disappears.

This reminds me of a ignorant argument another poster made...it involved Dwight Freeney and other elite pass rushers. Their argument was that "even Dwight (and other pass rushers) has stretches where he doesn't get sacks".. Yeah, that's true, but guess what Dwight DOES do. He consistently gets into the backfield and gets into the QBs head whether he's getting sacks or not. Last Monday night he had a VERY impressive performance and didn't even tally one single tackle...go figure. :rolleyes:

Does it really matter if Smith wasn't "racking up sacks" last season. He was our best defensive lineman and consistently knifed into the backfield last year. You know maybe when you improve a secondary, those near misses turn into sacks. Something to think about.

Anyways glad people are finally coming around to the great player that Smith has been for us.

What makes Freeney so successful is #18 developing leads so Freeney and the rest of the Colts D can pin their ears back and have a QB sack lunch...

Texecutioner
10-07-2011, 09:15 PM
Antonio Smith is definitely playing with more explosiveness and at a higher level. I agree with the OP. It's not like he was saying he wasn't really any good because he wasn't getting a ton of sacks. Just saying that now he seems to have that extra pop in his explosiveness. Good for SMith. Hopefully he can keep it up.

TheMatrix31
10-07-2011, 09:21 PM
The most important part is that Antonio Smith is playing SMART so far. No stupid personal fouls, no gambles, just playing tough, bad ass football.

dc_txtech
10-07-2011, 09:58 PM
Smith has always been good it just hasn't showed up on the stat sheet like it has this season. I'm pretty sure he was in the top 5 in QB hits and hurries last year but I don't have that link on hand.

In my opinion the reason that he is producing at a career high level is due to his own awesome talent, mixed with Wade's system, and the players around him. Since the end of last season we have added Watt, Joseph, Manning, Mario, Demeco, and Barwin to our starting D The coverage is better, the scheme is better, the guys around him are all healthy and playing well. All this leads to a trip to Hawaii for Antonio.

HJam72
10-07-2011, 10:10 PM
He intimidates the crap outa opposing QBs with that dang sword. :)

b0ng
10-07-2011, 10:24 PM
He is abusing interior linemen this year. This next game is going to be a test, the Raider Holiness is quite good and have kept Campbell very clean.

Line_Producer
10-07-2011, 11:51 PM
the Raider Holiness is quite good

Amen. All praises to Autocorrect. ;)

badboy
10-07-2011, 11:56 PM
I wish I could find my pre-season post saying I thought Smith would do very well in Wade's defense. It is good to be right sometimes.

badboy
10-07-2011, 11:59 PM
LOL, why do people get so wrapped up in sacks? It's one of the most overrated stats in football. I'll take a guy who consistently gets into the backfield and supplies pressure over a guy who racks up sacks and then disappears.

This reminds me of a ignorant argument another poster made...it involved Dwight Freeney and other elite pass rushers. Their argument was that "even Dwight (and other pass rushers) has stretches where he doesn't get sacks".. Yeah, that's true, but guess what Dwight DOES do. He consistently gets into the backfield and gets into the QBs head whether he's getting sacks or not. Last Monday night he had a VERY impressive performance and didn't even tally one single tackle...go figure. :rolleyes:

Does it really matter if Smith wasn't "racking up sacks" last season. He was our best defensive lineman and consistently knifed into the backfield last year. You know maybe when you improve a secondary, those near misses turn into sacks. Something to think about.

Anyways glad people are finally coming around to the great player that Smith has been for us.I think sacks are very important. Not only is it loss of a down but is a pyschological blow as the "leader" is going down. Then you throw in the physical damage down to the QB as well as his emotional state as the sack can effect him for several plays if he is angry or dazed.

I do agree with the rest of your post.

mussop
10-08-2011, 12:03 AM
LOL, why do people get so wrapped up in sacks? It's one of the most overrated stats in football. I'll take a guy who consistently gets into the backfield and supplies pressure over a guy who racks up sacks and then disappears.

This reminds me of a ignorant argument another poster made...it involved Dwight Freeney and other elite pass rushers. Their argument was that "even Dwight (and other pass rushers) has stretches where he doesn't get sacks".. Yeah, that's true, but guess what Dwight DOES do. He consistently gets into the backfield and gets into the QBs head whether he's getting sacks or not. Last Monday night he had a VERY impressive performance and didn't even tally one single tackle...go figure. :rolleyes:

Does it really matter if Smith wasn't "racking up sacks" last season. He was our best defensive lineman and consistently knifed into the backfield last year. You know maybe when you improve a secondary, those near misses turn into sacks. Something to think about.

Anyways glad people are finally coming around to the great player that Smith has been for us.

Don't you know? Stats are the end all when it comes to judging a player. :chef:

EllisUnit
10-08-2011, 01:13 AM
i would rather have a guy get 50 sacks, instead of a guy who gets 2 sacks and 1000 hurries. Atleast we know what the end result of a sack is, we have all seen QBs escape the sack and throw the ball to open WRs down field. Sacks are very important.

infantrycak
10-08-2011, 01:30 AM
i would rather have a guy get 50 sacks, instead of a guy who gets 2 sacks and 1000 hurries.

That is just whack.

Texanmike02
10-08-2011, 04:07 AM
i would rather have a guy get 50 sacks, instead of a guy who gets 2 sacks and 1000 hurries.

Call up Al Davis, you might have a place in his front office. All stats and no real football.

And dude. I'm a statistical analyst. I'm telling you you need to get your head out of the stats. That means something.

Mike

thunderkyss
10-08-2011, 08:31 AM
Antonio Smith is definitely playing with more explosiveness and at a higher level. I agree with the OP. It's not like he was saying he wasn't really any good because he wasn't getting a ton of sacks. Just saying that now he seems to have that extra pop in his explosiveness. Good for SMith. Hopefully he can keep it up.

Thanks Tex.... some people only read what they want to read.

thunderkyss
10-08-2011, 08:56 AM
i would rather have a guy get 50 sacks, instead of a guy who gets 2 sacks and 1000 hurries. Atleast we know what the end result of a sack is, we have all seen QBs escape the sack and throw the ball to open WRs down field. Sacks are very important.

This is basically my point. Antonio was consistently getting into the backfield last couple of years, but he didn't do crap when he got back there. He'd hurry the passer, but the passer made a good throw & completion anyway. He redirected the runner, but he got away anyway, he'd crash down his end & open a running lane to his side.

It's ignorant to think because a DL got into the backfield, he did his job. There's more to it than that.

It's like those screen passes. The OL lets the DL "penetrate" The DL gets into the QBs face & a split second before the DL gets his sack, the QB flips the ball out to the RB/TE & the offensiveline kicks out & causes "real" havoc.

This year is different, this year he's earning his money, this year he contributes as much as any defensive lineman this team has ever had.

Instead of a Batman & Robin relationship, we've got a Justice League

http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/8/80/Justice_League_001.jpg

Ain't no side-kicks in here.

drunkcookie
10-08-2011, 09:28 AM
I dunno, it seems to me he has always played like he's playing now, it's just that the sacks are just showing up... could be the new scheme? or that the QB doesn't have five open receivers this year? I dunno... I just want to think he's always played this hard, and the new D is highlighting his skill...

DocBar
10-08-2011, 09:41 AM
That is just whack.I love it when old guys "get down" verbally"!! Just :kitten: Cak.

Smith seems to be playing like he did in the playoff run for the Cards. Seeing him play at this level makes the occassional penalty sting a lot less.
Hopefully we'll see him abuse DMC this weekend. Run D is scaring the bleepity bleep-bleep outta me.:d:

TejasTom
10-08-2011, 09:55 AM
Instead of a Batman & Robin relationship, we've got a Justice League.

Doesn't this belong in one of the "name the defense" threads?

I like it...and Antonio is playing great.

kiwitexansfan
10-08-2011, 01:53 PM
Call up Al Davis, you might have a place in his front office. All stats and no real football.


Might be hard to reach...... but jokes like this show his impact on the game.

badboy
10-08-2011, 02:38 PM
I love it when old guys "get down" verbally"!! Just :kitten: Cak.

Smith seems to be playing like he did in the playoff run for the Cards. Seeing him play at this level makes the occassional penalty sting a lot less.
Hopefully we'll see him abuse DMC this weekend. Run D is scaring the bleepity bleep-bleep outta me.:d:FYI, when Infantrycak says whack he is usually referring to the sound an arrow makes hitting its target. :shades:

DocBar
10-08-2011, 02:42 PM
FYI, when Infantrycak says whack he is usually referring to the sound an arrow makes hitting its target. :shades:I should've known he wouldn't "get down" verbally. :toropalm:

badboy
10-08-2011, 02:48 PM
I should've known he wouldn't "get down" verbally. :toropalm:Oh, he gets down but it is a slow, low crawl, sneaking upon a "victim" then he cuts loose with sharp tongue, bow and arrow or gun. Reminds me of me in my (ahem) younger days. Except I prefer choking a target.

Carr Bombed
10-08-2011, 03:15 PM
What makes Freeney so successful is #18 developing leads so Freeney and the rest of the Colts D can pin their ears back and have a QB sack lunch...

Umm no, The game a referenced in my post was LAST WEEK. Did Peyton Manning play last week?

Carr Bombed
10-08-2011, 03:19 PM
i would rather have a guy get 50 sacks, instead of a guy who gets 2 sacks and 1000 hurries. Atleast we know what the end result of a sack is, we have all seen QBs escape the sack and throw the ball to open WRs down field. Sacks are very important.

LOL... a guy who racks up 50 sacks obviously consistently gets into the backfield, so what's the point of your argument? :toropalm:

SteveSlaton20
10-08-2011, 03:21 PM
I think he's doing very well because he's a better fit for the 3-4 than the 4-3. Last year he was better at the DT position, but season-injury to Barwin forced him to become the DE. He's always been getting pressures on the Qb and is a good RB stopper, but he's a lot better pash rusher in the 3-4, thanks to WP.

Thorn
10-08-2011, 03:43 PM
Antonio Smith was elected a team Captain, just sayin'

SuperSerial
10-08-2011, 10:33 PM
I enjoy the ninja assassin death slash.

hradhak
10-09-2011, 08:07 AM
I think it also helps that JJ Watt and Connor Barwin and Mario are lining up to after the QB. There are just so many weapons, in addition to a good play calling scheme that we're left with one on ones and severe mismatches. This is what D lines need to be effective and we're finally seeing the fruits of our drafting labor.

DexmanC
10-09-2011, 08:45 AM
There is more D-line pressure coming from the interior now (Watt, Smith.)
In the past, when Smith and Mario would rush the edges, the QB would
simply step UP.

What the Texans have going now, is that pressure is coming from EVERY
WHERE. As Demeco would say, "EVERYBODY can GO EAT!"

I'm liking it so far.

EllisUnit
10-09-2011, 09:19 AM
LOL... a guy who racks up 50 sacks obviously consistently gets into the backfield, so what's the point of your argument? :toropalm:

the point is Smith may get in the back field often but he has lacked the ability to finish, up until this year. Mario has had a knack for finishing when he gets back there. BUT now we have pressure coming from all directions and there is no where for the QB to go so it is helping Smiths numbers and allowing him to finish IMO. Smith comes off the line faster than any DE i have seen and he has always been ale to get into the back field just never finished much.

thunderkyss
10-09-2011, 10:26 AM
I think it also helps that JJ Watt and Connor Barwin and Mario are lining up to after the QB. There are just so many weapons, in addition to a good play calling scheme that we're left with one on ones and severe mismatches. This is what D lines need to be effective and we're finally seeing the fruits of our drafting labor.

I don't know if this is any different than any other year.

I think Antonio has just owned up to his leadership role on this team & is making the most of his opportunities. Regardless how he has played in the past, he had to step up his game.. that's what leaders do.

Two years ago, when everyone was "questioning" who was the best WR in the league... Andre stepped up his game. There was no question after that season.

Matt Schaub also stepped his game up that year, even though he was considered one of the better QBs in the league.

No defender should be saying, "I'm doing my job" they all need to look inside & do better. Antonio knew that & is getting it done. Regardless who is doing what around him, Antonio is making a statement, Antonio is leading the way. Antonio is being the leader we need on the DL.

& everyone is benefiting from his play, not the other way around.

infantrycak
10-09-2011, 10:43 AM
& everyone is benefiting from his play, not the other way around.

Not specific to this situation but I think that is a ridiculous football statement. Every player benefits from the good play of those around them and suffers from poor play around them. Mathis and Freeney make each other better. DE's will always benefit from good v. poor DT play. Smith is playing better this year (although I think he has played very well and been under appreciated since he got here) but this isn't a binary it is all him or none is him. These pieces and scheme have come together and all the players are benefiting.

thunderkyss
10-09-2011, 10:56 PM
Not specific to this situation but I think that is a ridiculous football statement. Every player benefits from the good play of those around them and suffers from poor play around them. Mathis and Freeney make each other better. DE's will always benefit from good v. poor DT play. Smith is playing better this year (although I think he has played very well and been under appreciated since he got here) but this isn't a binary it is all him or none is him. These pieces and scheme have come together and all the players are benefiting.

True....... true

EllisUnit
10-10-2011, 12:01 AM
When Williams left the field A. Smith miswell of went with him. Just saying

infantrycak
10-10-2011, 01:10 PM
Antonio Smith was elected a team Captain, just sayin'

Well he is going to really need to step into that role with Mario gone. After this thread and all the talk about Smith being a leader I watched more closely who was talking before the game while the D was huddled up. It was Mario and DeMeco.