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Thorn
10-06-2011, 05:27 PM
OK, after four weeks, let's look at the stats. They are starting to tell a story. All numbers are the current league ranking according to ESPN.

Oakland Offense
total yards 8th
rushing yds 1
passing yds 22
points 7

Houston Offense
total yds 10
rushing yds 4
passing yds 20
points 8

Oakland Defense
total yds 29
rushing yds 29
passing yds 22
points 30

Houston Defense
total yds 10
rushing yds 18
passing yds 10
points 4

On offense, the stats are a wash. No real advantage to either side. Defensive stats tell another story though. Our defense has clearly played better. Given a home field advantage, even without AJ, the stats are on our side. Their defense can be had. Being 30th in the league in points allowed as opposed to our being 4th in the league should work to our advantage.

But as we all know, it's a new team every Sunday given the history of both Oakland and Houston. We shall see what we shall see.

JWarren14
10-06-2011, 05:48 PM
I think the key will be getting an early lead and keeping that lead to force the Raiders into throwing the ball more. McFadden is going to get his no matter what, but if we can change their game-plan and get them to abandon the run I think we'll be a lot better off.

The worrisome thing is how will Arian do after his 30 carry performance against the Steelers and will Ogbonnaya be effective as the number 2 back as it seems that may be the case Sunday. Looking for a lot of 2-3 TE sets to get OD and Dressen involved to make up for the absence of AJ and more creative ways to get Casey the ball as well. We have the weapons to fill in for AJ, hopefully Schaub can go through his progressions quickly, i'm confident he will be able to with our OL.

Here are some other people's thoughts from around the web.

Scouts Inc. via ESPN
1. Raiders need to play smart football: Sometimes the Raiders can be their own worst enemy. They have been penalized more than any team in the NFL, and the flags often seem to come at the worst of times, killing their own drives while sustaining their opponent's. Look for an emphasis on playing smart football as Oakland continues to make a run for the AFC West lead.

2. Continue to provide help: Since losing cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha to free agency, the Raiders have lacked a shutdown corner. He was one of the few corners that could match up with receivers like Andre Johnson and hold his own. But with Johnson out, don't expect the Texans to completely abandon the idea of stretching the field. Expect at least some two-deep zone schemes with help over the top if the Texans try to take some shots.

3. Protect the pocket: What was supposed to be a weakness for the Raiders has turned out to be a strength. The offensive line has given only two sacks this season to lead the NFL and will be looking at a strong blitz package with the Houston Texans' new 3-4 defensive front, with defensive coordinator Wade Phillips loving to bring pressure. If they can continue to protect quarterback Jason Campbell with minimum protection, the more receivers they can send out to challenge a questionable secondary.

4. Run the ball: The Raiders' ground game has steadily improved during the past few years, and this year it appears to have reached maturity. They are leading the NFL in both rushing yards per game and yards per carry. They have a dynamic duo of ball carriers with Darren McFadden carrying the load and Michael Bush coming in on short-yardage and goal line situations. The more Oakland can control the line of scrimmage and the game clock, the longer it can keep the ball out of the hands of Houston's explosive offense.

5. Matchup to watch: Oakland left tackle Jared Veldheer vs. Houston linebacker Mario Williams: Veldheer has established himself and looks like a keeper. He does an excellent job of protecting Campbell's blind side as well as creating movement for the running game. He will be facing one of the league's most dynamic edge rushers in Williams, who has successfully made the transition from defensive end to outside linebacker.

6. Force the Raiders to play catch-up: The Texans can be one of the most explosive teams in the NFL with their ability to attack the secondary, not just with Johnson, but through the seams with tight end Owen Daniels. They also possess a strong ground game. They know that the Raiders are most effective when running the ball and lack the quick-strike ability needed to come from behind and beat a solid opponent.

7. Get the ground game going: Oakland struggles on defense when it comes to stopping the run. The Raiders are ranked 26th in the league against the run -- allowing 120 yards per game -- and are dead last in yards per carry at 5.8. Houston head coach Gary Kubiak is not afraid to stick with the run as his Texans are averaging nearly 140 yards a game, fifth best in the NFL, and 4.06 yards per carry, 15th best.

8. Win the kicking game: The Raiders have two of the strongest legs in the NFL in kicker Sebastian Janikowski and punter Shane Lechler. Unfortunately, they lack great coverage units on special teams and have not been explosive with their own return specialists. Oakland has given up one touchdown on a punt return while the Houston has recorded one of its own via the punt return.

9. Look for run the run blitz: While most recognize Phillips' ability to bring pressure on the pocket with his variety of blitzes, he also does a great job of designing run blitzes that allow his defense to fill all the running lanes and force the opponent to run laterally rather than north and south.

10. Matchup to watch: Houston running back Arian Foster vs. Oakland linebacker Rolando McClain: Foster returned to relatively full strength this past Sunday as he carried the ball 30 times for 155 yards against the normally stingy Pittsburgh Steelers. He is a workhorse ball carrier who wears defenses down and consistently gains two or three extra yards after contact. McClain has a great nose for the ball and is a solid tackler both in the hole as well as in space.

Oakland 17
Houston 27


ESPN AccuScore prediction:
OAK 24.7
HOU 27.6

TeamRankings.com prediciton:
Oakland 17.7
Houston 24.3

Let's get it done!

TimeKiller
10-07-2011, 08:04 AM
I think the DL will eat Campbell alive. They've got athletic receivers but I think we've got the hosses to matchup and give the necessary time to get to Campbell. The Raiders will have to beat them up on the ground with McFadden and just go bonkers scoring rushing TDs.

On offense, the Texans have a pretty distinct advantage. Their D may get up a little for this game but if the Steelers can't shut them down I certainly don't buy the Raiders doing any better.

Texans 27 - Raiders 14

Thorn
10-07-2011, 08:18 AM
I think the DL will eat Campbell alive. They've got athletic receivers but I think we've got the hosses to matchup and give the necessary time to get to Campbell. The Raiders will have to beat them up on the ground with McFadden and just go bonkers scoring rushing TDs.

On offense, the Texans have a pretty distinct advantage. Their D may get up a little for this game but if the Steelers can't shut them down I certainly don't buy the Raiders doing any better.
Texans 27 - Raiders 14

That's my belief as well.

Cerberus
10-07-2011, 09:12 AM
OK, after four weeks, let's look at the stats. They are starting to tell a story. All numbers are the current league ranking according to ESPN.

Oakland Offense
total yards 8th
rushing yds 1
passing yds 22
points 7

Houston Offense
total yds 10
rushing yds 4
passing yds 20
points 8

Oakland Defense
total yds 29
rushing yds 29
passing yds 22
points 30

Houston Defense
total yds 10
rushing yds 18
passing yds 10
points 4

On offense, the stats are a wash. No real advantage to either side. Defensive stats tell another story though. Our defense has clearly played better. Given a home field advantage, even without AJ, the stats are on our side. Their defense can be had. Being 30th in the league in points allowed as opposed to our being 4th in the league should work to our advantage.

But as we all know, it's a new team every Sunday given the history of both Oakland and Houston. We shall see what we shall see.

The problem with stats like those.

Raider's defense has played: The up-start Bills, Tom Brady and the Patriots, and the 2x running AFC Championship loser (good team), and of course the lowly Broncos but they did so in Denver.

Now lets see what the Texans defense had to face: The Manning-less Colts, the Hapless 0-4 Dollfans, the Saints (they lost, but played a good game), and the tired and old Steelers.

What does it all mean? To me, it means the stats don't really tell the story. Sure, the Texans could and should win, but don't think the Raiders are a push over. In fact, if the Raiders do win, I would not consider it to be an upset.

Thorn
10-07-2011, 09:33 AM
In fact, if the Raiders do win, I would not consider it to be an upset.

In terms of the two football teams, I would consider it an upset if the Texans lost. But with Houston, you just never know. This is a game the Texans should win if they are what we hope they are.

Cerberus
10-07-2011, 10:21 AM
In terms of the two football teams, I would consider it an upset if the Texans lost. But with Houston, you just never know. This is a game the Texans should win if they are what we hope they are.

Just to clarify. In my mind, Seattle beating the Patriots is an upset. The Raiders beating the Texans is not. I haven't looked, but I assume the Texans are the points favorite in Vegas, so I guess in that regard it would be an upset. As far as talent? The Raiders have some very impressive young talent on both sides of the ball, and have two of the best kickers in the NFL. So, I don't think them beating anybody in the NFL right now would be seen as an upset. Likewise, I don't think the Texans beating any other team right now could be seen as an upset.

Rey
10-07-2011, 10:31 AM
Just to clarify. In my mind, Seattle beating the Patriots is an upset. The Raiders beating the Texans is not. I haven't looked, but I assume the Texans are the points favorite in Vegas, so I guess in that regard it would be an upset. As far as talent? The Raiders have some very impressive young talent on both sides of the ball, and have two of the best kickers in the NFL. So, I don't think them beating anybody in the NFL right now would be seen as an upset. Likewise, I don't think the Texans beating any other team right now could be seen as an upset.

I think if the Texans went into GB and beat the Packers it'd be an upset...

If we go into Baltimore and beat them, that's an upset...

I think the Raiders and Texans are both good teams, but if we lose to the Raiders it will be an upset IMO...Not a huge upset...but an upset none the less...

Cerberus
10-07-2011, 10:40 AM
I think if the Texans went into GB and beat the Packers it'd be an upset...

If we go into Baltimore and beat them, that's an upset...

I think the Raiders and Texans are both good teams, but if we lose to the Raiders it will be an upset IMO...Not a huge upset...but an upset none the less...

All I know is that if the Raiders lose, I'll be upset. :crying:

HOU-TEX
10-07-2011, 10:41 AM
I think the DL will eat Campbell alive. They've got athletic receivers but I think we've got the hosses to matchup and give the necessary time to get to Campbell. The Raiders will have to beat them up on the ground with McFadden and just go bonkers scoring rushing TDs.

On offense, the Texans have a pretty distinct advantage. Their D may get up a little for this game but if the Steelers can't shut them down I certainly don't buy the Raiders doing any better.

Texans 27 - Raiders 14

Obviously the teams they've played so far aren't really known for good defenses (maybe the Jets). But still, Campbell's only been sacked twice in 4 games. So that, and the fact we'll likely be focusing on the run a lot more than the past. I don't see many sacks coming out of this game.

However, it'd be nice to jump out with a decent lead. Then have them pin their ears back and go after Campbell

Cerberus
10-07-2011, 10:44 AM
Obviously the teams they've played so far aren't really known for good defenses (maybe the Jets). But still, Campbell's only been sacked twice in 4 games. So that, and the fact we'll likely be focusing on the run a lot more than the past. I don't see many sacks coming out of this game.

However, it'd be nice to jump out with a decent lead. Then have them pin their ears back and go after Campbell

One of the reasons you don't see so many sacks of Campbell is Al Saunders. He is the same OC that helped Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson look great in KC. He specializes in playing to a players strengths, and loves to run the screen pass. This is where McFadden may become really dangerous to the Texans.

Texan_Bill
10-07-2011, 11:11 AM
In terms of the two football teams, I would consider it an upset if the Texans lost. But with Houston, you just never know. This is a game the Texans should win if they are what we hope they are.

Meh... Texans win by 17..... 31-14(ish) :kitten:


:runaway:

Rey
10-07-2011, 11:22 AM
All I know is that if the Raiders lose, I'll be upset. :crying:

I hope you are upset come Sunday. :) No offense and nothing personal.

:evil:

And I hope neither team has any injuries. :goodluck:

TexCanada
10-07-2011, 11:39 AM
The problem with stats like those.

Raider's defense has played: The up-start Bills, Tom Brady and the Patriots, and the 2x running AFC Championship loser (good team), and of course the lowly Broncos but they did so in Denver.

Now lets see what the Texans defense had to face: The Manning-less Colts, the Hapless 0-4 Dollfans, the Saints (they lost, but played a good game), and the tired and old Steelers.

What does it all mean? To me, it means the stats don't really tell the story. Sure, the Texans could and should win, but don't think the Raiders are a push over. In fact, if the Raiders do win, I would not consider it to be an upset.


I love the spin on this. The up-start Bills vs the old and tired Steelers. Do you really think the Bills are that much better then the Steelers?

Cerberus
10-07-2011, 11:53 AM
I love the spin on this. The up-start Bills vs the old and tired Steelers. Do you really think the Bills are that much better then the Steelers?

The "old and tired" or was it "slow", was said tongue-in-cheek with reference to what someone said about them in the media; maybe Sapp? And yes, the Bills are an upstart team, considering some pundits thought they would be one of the worst teams this season. As for better? If they are what their record says they are, then yes 3-1 trumps 2-2.

thunderkyss
10-07-2011, 01:05 PM
We have the weapons to fill in for AJ, hopefully Schaub can go through his progressions quickly, i'm confident he will be able to with our OL.


I think a lower scoring game will always favor the Texans. When we are out there trying to score 30, that's when we have those unbelievable goof-ups. That's when we Romo it all to hell.

I think the Raider's DL will be a challenge. Major accomplishment if they can keep Schaub upright.

thunderkyss
10-07-2011, 01:09 PM
I think the Raiders and Texans are both good teams, but if we lose to the Raiders it will be an upset IMO...Not a huge upset...but an upset none the less...

I'll be upset if the Raiders beat us at home. I think we're a much better team... our core has been together much longer.

If the Raiders win, it's an upset.

fiasco west
10-07-2011, 01:18 PM
The problem with stats like those.

Raider's defense has played: The up-start Bills, Tom Brady and the Patriots, and the 2x running AFC Championship loser (good team), and of course the lowly Broncos but they did so in Denver.

Now lets see what the Texans defense had to face: The Manning-less Colts, the Hapless 0-4 Dollfans, the Saints (they lost, but played a good game), and the tired and old Steelers.

What does it all mean? To me, it means the stats don't really tell the story. Sure, the Texans could and should win, but don't think the Raiders are a push over. In fact, if the Raiders do win, I would not consider it to be an upset.

This is what Texans fans used to say last year about our pass defense.

"Oh we played Manning..." or "Oh we played McNabb, he's still pretty good." "Oh we played Romo..."

Turns out that the Pass defense WAS really that bad no matter the opposing QB.

Not saying that this is the case with the Raiders, but a trend is developing for that defense and you guys are not exactly coming in to play a lowly struggling offense or even a mediocre one.

But I agree that the Raiders are far from pushovers, I think they have a real chance to win the AFCW this year.

Cerberus
10-07-2011, 03:02 PM
I'll be upset if the Raiders beat us at home. I think we're a much better team... our core has been together much longer.

If the Raiders win, it's an upset.

Once again, the USA Hockey team beating the Soviets way back when, THAT WAS AN UPSET. In today's football, most any team can when on any given Sunday. So, for the most part there aren't too many upsets any more. This is what parity got us. Wow!

Anyway, not all underdog victories are upsets. Not IMHO anyway.

thunderkyss
10-07-2011, 04:37 PM
Once again, the USA Hockey team beating the Soviets way back when, THAT WAS AN UPSET. In today's football, most any team can when on any given Sunday. So, for the most part there aren't too many upsets any more. This is what parity got us. Wow!

Anyway, not all underdog victories are upsets. Not IMHO anyway.

Once again, it may not be an upset in the true sense of the word. But it's been a long time coming & I think the Texans are in for a special season. Losing to the Raiders is not part of my idea of a special season.

It will be an upset to me & I guarantee it will be an upset to most every H-town Texans' fan.

Nothing against you or the Raiders, this is an internal "family" affair.

Cerberus
10-08-2011, 09:14 AM
Once again, it may not be an upset in the true sense of the word. But it's been a long time coming & I think the Texans are in for a special season. Losing to the Raiders is not part of my idea of a special season.

It will be an upset to me & I guarantee it will be an upset to most every H-town Texans' fan.

Nothing against you or the Raiders, this is an internal "family" affair.

Oh, I understand. I fully expect the Texans to win, but I also expect the Raiders to come to Houston to play, so I think it will be a close, hard fought game. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right, who knows? Maybe the game starts with a KO return for a TD, followed by a fumbled KR, setting up one team to go ahead 14-0; suddenly everything would be different in the match-up. Just sayin'.

Chronic
10-08-2011, 09:50 AM
OK, after four weeks, let's look at the stats. They are starting to tell a story. All numbers are the current league ranking according to ESPN.

Oakland Offense
total yards 8th
rushing yds 1
passing yds 22
points 7

Houston Offense
total yds 10
rushing yds 4
passing yds 20
points 8

Oakland Defense
total yds 29
rushing yds 29
passing yds 22
points 30

Houston Defense
total yds 10
rushing yds 18
passing yds 10
points 4

On offense, the stats are a wash. No real advantage to either side. Defensive stats tell another story though. Our defense has clearly played better. Given a home field advantage, even without AJ, the stats are on our side. Their defense can be had. Being 30th in the league in points allowed as opposed to our being 4th in the league should work to our advantage.

But as we all know, it's a new team every Sunday given the history of both Oakland and Houston. We shall see what we shall see.

That would have some merit if they played the same teams.. other than that they are pretty useless stats

Chronic
10-08-2011, 09:56 AM
In terms of the two football teams, I would consider it an upset if the Texans lost. But with Houston, you just never know. This is a game the Texans should win if they are what we hope they are.

Houston won 6 games last year and the Raiders won 8, shoulda been 9 on a last sec FG miss from Janikowski that he makes 99 times outta 100

I'm surprised the Texans are even favored by more than 3 points

Dont know how anyone can say if a 8 win team beats a 6 win team its an upset..

infantrycak
10-08-2011, 10:05 AM
Houston won 6 games last year and the Raiders won 8, shoulda been 9 on a last sec FG miss from Janikowski that he makes 99 times outta 100

I'm surprised the Texans are even favored by more than 3 points

Dont know how anyone can say if a 8 win team beats a 6 win team its an upset..

Because that was last year and this is this year. Last year the Dolphins and Rams won 7 games each - this year none so far. Last year the Colts won 10 games - this year none so far. See how this works?

Chronic
10-08-2011, 10:07 AM
Because that was last year and this is this year. Last year the Dolphins and Rams won 7 games each - this year none so far. Last year the Colts won 10 games - this year none so far. See how this works?

Yes I see how that works, I also see that the Texans probably would be sitting at 1-3 if they played the Bills, Jets, Patriots and Broncos

infantrycak
10-08-2011, 10:10 AM
Yes I see how that works, I also see that the Texans probably would be sitting at 1-3 if they played the Bills, Jets, Patriots and Broncos

If you say so. If all you are going to do is talk smack then there is a forum for that. Take it there.

thunderkyss
10-08-2011, 10:32 AM
Yes I see how that works, I also see that the Texans probably would be sitting at 1-3 if they played the Bills, Jets, Patriots and Broncos

How do you figure? You're saying we couldn't have beat the Bills, Jets, & Patriots? Is that because the Raiders looked barely competent?

I bet the Bills would be 1-3 if half the teams they've played so far didn't come out of the AFC West.

Chronic
10-08-2011, 10:44 AM
How do you figure? You're saying we couldn't have beat the Bills, Jets, & Patriots? Is that because the Raiders looked barely competent?

I bet the Bills would be 1-3 if half the teams they've played so far didn't come out of the AFC West.

You'd have been very lucky to have beaten 2 of them, very lucky

If the Texans were a playoff team last year, maybe.. but truth is, they totally collapsed last year.. much like the Red Sox this year

Theres nothing to suggest the Texans even matchup with those 3 teams

The Bills beat the Patriots by the way

Chronic
10-08-2011, 10:45 AM
If you say so. If all you are going to do is talk smack then there is a forum for that. Take it there.

Im not running smack, I'm just simply asking you how you can say a Raiders win would be an upset

thunderkyss
10-08-2011, 11:04 AM
You'd have been very lucky to have beaten 2 of them, very lucky

If the Texans were a playoff team last year, maybe.. but truth is, they totally collapsed last year.. much like the Red Sox this year

Theres nothing to suggest the Texans even matchup with those 3 teams

The Bills beat the Patriots by the way

Play-offs? Play-offs?!

Look, when the Raiders beat the Jets, the word was that "the Jets suck worse than we thought they would."

It's not, "the Raiders are a great team, they beat the Jets"

No, it's "the Jets suck"

New England beat you & it's, "Yup, what I thought"

You beat the Broncos in a Nail bitter..... you suck
You beat the Jets..... the Jets suck
You get beat by the Bills.. you suck
You get beat by the Patriots...... you suck...

I mean what "exactly" suggests that the Raiders is a good team?

Chronic
10-08-2011, 11:50 AM
I mean what "exactly" suggests that the Raiders is a good team?

The way they play?

What this debate is, which is funny, is suggesting the Texans were a playoff team last year, won more games than Oakland and should have no problem beating the the Raiders, and if they lose, it will be an upset

Which is comical

The only people that will consider it an upset are people that live within a 100 mile radius of Houston

The Pencil Neck
10-08-2011, 12:24 PM
Houston won 6 games last year and the Raiders won 8, shoulda been 9 on a last sec FG miss from Janikowski that he makes 99 times outta 100

I'm surprised the Texans are even favored by more than 3 points

Dont know how anyone can say if a 8 win team beats a 6 win team its an upset..

Dude, if you want to go with "SHOULDA" wins, we should have won at least 4 more games last year that we lost on bizarre breakdowns.

The Charger game where we were driving at the end of the game and a ball bounced off of Andre's shin to be intercepted and end the game.

The Jaguar game where Garrard threw up a hail mary prayer and Glover Quin knocked it down... right into the arms of a Jaguar who caught it and stepped into the end-zone for the winning touchdown with no time left.

The Jet game where we took a 4 point lead (after scoring 20 points in the 4the quarter) with 40 second left on the clock and then our pass defense totally self destructed and allowed the Jets to drive down and score the winning touchdown.

The Broncos game where we jumped out to a 17 point half time lead and then let Tim freaking Tebow lead the team back but still if there hadn't been a fluke play where the ball bounced off of Owen Daniels to get intercepted, we would have closed out that game.

And that's not even bringing up the Ravens game.

So we "SHOULDA" been 10-6. Besides, we beat you guys last year.

infantrycak
10-08-2011, 12:25 PM
The way they play?

What this debate is, which is funny, is suggesting the Texans were a playoff team last year, won more games than Oakland and should have no problem beating the the Raiders, and if they lose, it will be an upset

Which is comical

The only people that will consider it an upset are people that live within a 100 mile radius of Houston

What is comical is you are the only one obsessed with last year.

By the way, Vegas is more than 100 miles from Houston.

Chronic
10-08-2011, 02:22 PM
What is comical is you are the only one obsessed with last year.


Okay, I'll play

Colts 0-4
Dolphins 0-4
Saints 3-1
Steelers 2-2

The Texans have played 4 teams with a combined win loss record of 5-11

Patriots 3-1
Bills 3-1
Broncos 1-3
Jets 2-2

The Raiders have played 4 teams with a combined win loss record of 9-7

Raiders 2-2
Texans 3-1

You're gonna try and convince anyone here based off this years performance and opponents played that a Raiders win would be considered an upset?

The bottom line is simply this:

The Texans are not a team that can call any loss to any team an upset- they havent earned that right yet... They won 6 games last year and played 2 very weak teams

Even a loss to the Rams wouldnt be considered an upset.. The Packers, Patriots or Ravens lose to the Rams at home and that would be considered an upset.

Not any loss by the Texans, not yet anyway. They havent proven anything to earn that... (yet)

The Pencil Neck
10-08-2011, 02:29 PM
The bottom line is simply this:

The Texans are not a team that can call any loss to any team an upset- they havent earned that right yet... They won 6 games last year and played 2 very weak teams

Even a loss to the Rams wouldnt be considered an upset.. The Packers, Patriots or Ravens lose to the Rams at home and that would be considered an upset.

Not any loss by the Texans, not yet anyway. They havent proven anything to earn that... (yet)

Then in your little world, you have your own definition of what an upset is.

It has nothing to do with strength of schedule or performance over the years, it is entirely on expectations. Whether you like it or not, the Texans are 5 point favorites going into this game. If you look at the picks of the "experts", they are overwhelmingly picking the Texans.

If the Raiders win, it will be an upset because of those expectations. You can go through the list of games and if the team that's not favored win, that's an upset.

Chronic
10-08-2011, 02:53 PM
Then in your little world, you have your own definition of what an upset is.

It has nothing to do with strength of schedule or performance over the years, it is entirely on expectations. Whether you like it or not, the Texans are 5 point favorites going into this game. If you look at the picks of the "experts", they are overwhelmingly picking the Texans.

If the Raiders win, it will be an upset because of those expectations. You can go through the list of games and if the team that's not favored win, that's an upset.

LOL

You get 3 points for being at home

Those same experts all picked the Jets to beat Oakland

When its all said and done after week 17, at that time you can look back at the season and you'll find... It wasnt an upset

thunderkyss
10-08-2011, 03:43 PM
LOL

You get 3 points for being at home

Those same experts all picked the Jets to beat Oakland

When its all said and done after week 17, at that time you can look back at the season and you'll find... It wasnt an upset

In other words, the Raiders suck. The Jets went to your house & were favored to win.

Before you retort with some drivel about the Jets & an AFC championship game from years past, remember the Steelers just came to our house & were expected to lose.

Rey
10-08-2011, 03:45 PM
LOL

You get 3 points for being at home

Those same experts all picked the Jets to beat Oakland

When its all said and done after week 17, at that time you can look back at the season and you'll find... It wasnt an upset

The fact that you get 3 points for being at home is not relevant to whether a game is an upset or not. That actually plays into the equation.

If you are not considered a favorite and you go into someones house and beat them then that is an upset IMO.

Rey
10-08-2011, 03:57 PM
Okay, I'll play

Colts 0-4
Dolphins 0-4
Saints 3-1
Steelers 2-2

The Texans have played 4 teams with a combined win loss record of 5-11

Patriots 3-1
Bills 3-1
Broncos 1-3
Jets 2-2

The Raiders have played 4 teams with a combined win loss record of 9-7

Raiders 2-2
Texans 3-1

You're gonna try and convince anyone here based off this years performance and opponents played that a Raiders win would be considered an upset?

The bottom line is simply this:

The Texans are not a team that can call any loss to any team an upset- they havent earned that right yet... They won 6 games last year and played 2 very weak teams

Even a loss to the Rams wouldnt be considered an upset.. The Packers, Patriots or Ravens lose to the Rams at home and that would be considered an upset.

Not any loss by the Texans, not yet anyway. They havent proven anything to earn that... (yet)

Opposing teams combined record has something to do with you too, ya know.

Like if the texans lost to the steelers and you guys beat the patriots the opposing w/l record is more similar.

Your team has contributed to two of the wins of your opponents. Win more games and your opponents w/l record isn't as flattering.

The Pencil Neck
10-08-2011, 04:18 PM
LOL

You get 3 points for being at home

Those same experts all picked the Jets to beat Oakland

When its all said and done after week 17, at that time you can look back at the season and you'll find... It wasnt an upset

The Raiders beating the Jets was... an upset.

Getting 3 points for being at home is irrelevant. It's part of the equation. We are favored.

You guys could go on to win all your games and we could go on to lose all of our games, it doesn't matter. Your beating us would still be an upset. For this game right here and right now, we're favored to beat you. If we lose to you, then it's an upset.

I don't see what your problem is with acknowledging that. It's not a knock on you guys or anything. It's just the truth. And it's inarguable.

Thorn
10-08-2011, 04:22 PM
The Raiders beating the Jets was... an upset.

Getting 3 points for being at home is irrelevant. It's part of the equation. We are favored.

You guys could go on to win all your games and we could go on to lose all of our games, it doesn't matter. Your beating us would still be an upset. For this game right here and right now, we're favored to beat you. If we lose to you, then it's an upset.

I don't see what your problem is with acknowledging that. It's not a knock on you guys or anything. It's just the truth. And it's inarguable.

Exactly. When the favored team loses, it's an upset. I'm not sure why anyone would argue that. But hey, give the guy points for supporting his team. We do.

Chronic
10-08-2011, 08:33 PM
The Raiders beating the Jets was... an upset.

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How do you know this to be true when you dont even know what the final records of both teams will be until week 17??

Please explain

thunderkyss
10-08-2011, 08:40 PM
How do you know this to be true when you dont even know what the final records of both teams will be until week 17??

Please explain

Because everyone expects the Jets to be a better team. The Jets are expected to compete for a Super Bowl (again). Everyone is hoping <- the Raiders will be relevant this season & not rest on the "success" of their 8-8 season.

The Pencil Neck
10-08-2011, 09:58 PM
How do you know this to be true when you dont even know what the final records of both teams will be until week 17??

Please explain

Do you understand the concept of an upset?

From dictionary.com:
upĚset   /v., adj. ʌpˈsɛt; n. ˈʌpˌsɛt/ Show Spelled [v., adj. uhp-set; n. uhp-set] Show IPA verb, -set, -setĚting, noun, adjective
verb (used with object)
1. to overturn: to upset a pitcher of milk.
2. to disturb mentally or emotionally; perturb: The incident upset her.
3. to disturb or derange completely; put out of order; throw into disorder: to upset a system; to upset a mechanism; to upset an apartment.
4. to disturb physically: It upset his stomach.
5. to defeat or overthrow an opponent that is considered more formidable, as in war, politics, or sports.

The important wording here is "considered". It may well be that Team A turns out to be stronger than Team B but if going into a particular contest, Team B is considered stronger and is beaten by Team A, then Team A upset Team B.

Upsets are upsets based on expectations going into a contest. Upsets are not upsets based on the team's records at the end of the season.

hradhak
10-09-2011, 06:54 AM
This year's Raiders are last year's Texans. Good offense, great running game, can move the ball in the air and can put up points. But their defense can't stop anyone. I think that's a reason they were able to beat the Jets because the Raiders offense > Jets defense, and the Jets offense is atrocious so they were able to get some stops.

That said, our defense can get gashed because they can line up McFadden and run it. McFadden seems to be a boom or bust back with a lot of 1-2 yard runs and then a 15 yard run or more. We have to play our assignments and keep contain.

If we can get an early lead and force them to go to the air more, I like our chances (never thought I'd say that given how bad our pass defense has been!)

Cerberus
10-09-2011, 08:40 PM
Do you understand the concept of an upset?

From dictionary.com:
upĚset   /v., adj. ʌpˈsɛt; n. ˈʌpˌsɛt/ Show Spelled [v., adj. uhp-set; n. uhp-set] Show IPA verb, -set, -setĚting, noun, adjective
verb (used with object)
1. to overturn: to upset a pitcher of milk.
2. to disturb mentally or emotionally; perturb: The incident upset her.
3. to disturb or derange completely; put out of order; throw into disorder: to upset a system; to upset a mechanism; to upset an apartment.
4. to disturb physically: It upset his stomach.
5. to defeat or overthrow an opponent that is considered more formidable, as in war, politics, or sports.

The important wording here is "considered". It may well be that Team A turns out to be stronger than Team B but if going into a particular contest, Team B is considered stronger and is beaten by Team A, then Team A upset Team B.

Upsets are upsets based on expectations going into a contest. Upsets are not upsets based on the team's records at the end of the season.

Actually, the two teams were considered fairly well matched with the Texans getting the nod due to home field advantage. So, where you may have expected a win today and it felt like an upset to you, I saw it as something that came as no surprise to me. Since I said in an earlier post that you could flip a coin today, and that is exactly how it played out, I hardly consider today's victory an upset.