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O.G.
04-24-2005, 04:10 PM
My opinion, I would grade us as a B+, since we did fullfill some positions that we need immediate help in. What does everyone Else Think?

ojthecat
04-24-2005, 04:11 PM
I would have to give us an A+. Call me a homer but I think that we rocked with our choices and if it were up to me I would give CC a big fat bonus.

:spot:

WildBlackBear32
04-24-2005, 04:13 PM
D. Just being real here. Like I've said recently, I'm not gonna rip the TJ pick anymore, I'll let his play speak. Every pick other than Mathis after that however, was a total shamjob. Multiple highly rated players at positions of need were passed on for no-namers and guys who mirror our weaknesses.

DRIFTAWAY
04-24-2005, 04:13 PM
I would give the texans a "B"

Davis37
04-24-2005, 04:14 PM
Ill give CC a B.

I give him an A+++ for the Mathis pick in the 4th! :thumbup

DRIFTAWAY
04-24-2005, 04:14 PM
D. Just being real here. Like I've said recently, I'm not gonna rip the TJ pick anymore, I'll let his play speak. Every pick other than Mathis after that however, was a total shamjob. Multiple highly rated players at positions of need were passed on for no-namers and guys who mirror our weaknesses.

You keep saying we passed on all those quality guys. But all the other teams also passed on them, so have you ever stopped and wondered there is something wrong with them!!! they have a lot more information then you do inside that war room.

TigerBait
04-24-2005, 04:17 PM
My opinion, as well as anyone elses, does not count in this situation. But CC seems to have gotten the guyz that he wanted, or he wouldnt have drafted them. So i give it a A.

ojthecat
04-24-2005, 04:19 PM
D. Just being real here. Like I've said recently, I'm not gonna rip the TJ pick anymore, I'll let his play speak. Every pick other than Mathis after that however, was a total shamjob. Multiple highly rated players at positions of need were passed on for no-namers and guys who mirror our weaknesses.

Just because we didn't take DJ with our number 1 pick does not mean that we had a bad draft.

We got a dt that is fast and capable of tying up linemen that is what we needed.

We got a running back that should push DD for the starting job.

We now have one of the fastest recievers in all of football.

We got a fast LB that should provide depth.

This draft rocked we are better now than we were 2 days ago. I beleive that we can now challange for the Divsion.

done88
04-24-2005, 04:23 PM
C THJis was very average draft. Which is what was expected. This is the worst part of the growing pains. When you are not good enough to make the playoffs but too good to get a starter in the draft. Cass said it was going to be an average draft and it was. The good news is that instead of the draft being the high light of the season hopefully it will be the playoffs.

nunusguy
04-24-2005, 04:23 PM
We got a dt that is fast and capable of tying up linemen that is what we needed.
We got a running back that should push DD for the starting job.
We now have one of the fastest recievers in all of football.
We got a fast LB that should provide depth.
This draft rocked we are better now than we were 2 days ago. I beleive that we can now challange for the Divsion.
You need to include PB in our 2005 Draft because he represents our second
and one of our third round picks.

Nawzer
04-24-2005, 04:25 PM
I would give us a B+. This was a weak draft and I think we were able to fill some holes that needed to be filled. T.J. gives us a young athletic defensive lineman who can challenge Walker for his starting spot. Once again, it's important in a 3-4 for the lineman to push forward so that your linebackers can make plays. We got younger on defense but we got faster with guys like Morlon Greenwood and Antwaan Peek starting for us. If T.J. and our d-line does what it's supposed to then our speedy linebackers will make plays for us. The more I think about this pick the more I like it. Vernand Morency is a good pick because D.D. and Hollings have a habit of getting injured. Morency is a D.D. type of a back who can come in and start for us if D.D. is injured. Not only that, we now have legit backup who can give D.D. a breather. Hollings hasn't done anything and I doubt he will and J.Wells is a goal line back. Jerome Mathis play Div II ball and it'll take him a bit to run better routes, but I see him contributing immediately as a kick returner and a no.4 receiver. I think he will be a very dangerous slot guy. Teams will not leave him alone which will make A.J. even more dangerous. I like the rest of the picks with the o-linesman from Arizona State. I think he can learn and he can play multiple position so that's definitely a plus. Don't know much about Ceandris Brown but I trust C.C. knows what he's doing. I liked the Pettway pick because I've seen him play and he's a fast linebacker. All in all a pretty solid draft but C.C. better hope that T.J. becomes a good player for us otherwise watch out for the backlash he will suffer specially if D.J. turns out to be a stud. But I really think T.J. was a good pick because we desperately needed to improve our pash rush attack and now guys like Gary Walker have an extra incentive to play better.

F-minus67
04-24-2005, 04:26 PM
For this coming season I give it a C-, other that Johnson and maybe Mathis there are no other rookies who have a shot at starting. But for the future I give it a B, all these can play and will play given time to mature. And when you add in the trade for Buchanan, someone who is close to making the pro bowl. Overall I'll give the entire draft a A-.

MojoMan
04-24-2005, 04:26 PM
If the Texan's inside linebackers show significant improvement on the field over last year, I will gladly give this draft an A.

WildBlackBear32
04-24-2005, 04:26 PM
Just because we didn't take DJ with our number 1 pick does not mean that we had a bad draft.

We got a dt that is fast and capable of tying up linemen that is what we needed.

We got a running back that should push DD for the starting job.

We now have one of the fastest recievers in all of football.

We got a fast LB that should provide depth.

This draft rocked we are better now than we were 2 days ago. I beleive that we can now challange for the Divsion.

When did I say anything about DJ??? In fact over the past two weeks, I've said that I was starting to lose love for DJ. We took a DT, yes it's a position of need, however it's also a guy most people grade out to a very late first to mid second rounder. A guy who has character issues on a team that prides itself on weeding troublemakers out. The RB will push DD??? If we're gonna go by Age, this RB will retire BEFORE DD. The LB is fast and he does provide depth. Peek does the same thing. Cheatwood. Chamberlin. Polk. All depth guys. Don't you think it'd be much smarter to take a player at a dry position like DL or S?

BattleRedGuy
04-24-2005, 04:30 PM
For this coming season I give it a C-, other that Johnson and maybe Mathis there are no other rookies who have a shot at starting. But for the future I give it a B, all these can play and will play given time to mature. And when you add in the trade for Buchanan, someone who is close to making the pro bowl. Overall I'll give the entire draft a A-.

Ditto. Morency should be able to fill in as a spot starter since D.D. will probably miss a game or two.

Rosusu
04-24-2005, 04:32 PM
Ask this question in 2 years............

royce1054
04-24-2005, 04:43 PM
I dont believe any will start this season. Johnson, Mathas, Morrency will prob see the most time. The rest will prob be special teams or fighting for a spot.

lucky13
04-24-2005, 04:45 PM
some good, a lot of bad.

first for the bad- unless johnson is the next warren sapp, this was a terrible pick. there were proven productive players at need positions everywhere, esp. OL. the texans are a team that can't afford too many more overpayments like babin, hollings, joppru, ragone, ... and yet he reached. seemingly an act of desperation.

fwiw, i actually like the morency pick, as i liked the domanick davis pick. hollings can't play. the hollings pick will join tony boselli in the texans' hall of shame. i don't recall if cedric houston was still available- i would prefer houston over morency.

now for the good- perhaps the texans are finally dropping their faith-based system for screening players. in the long run, this will help a lot. unfortunately, the very poor job they have done in recent drafts means they might not have much more time to prove themselves.

Grid
04-24-2005, 04:45 PM
Overall: B-

Travis Johnson: A- "We are upgrading the speed of our defense, and trying to generate a pass rush, that is why this pick gets an A-. We needed a young talented Dlineman to start working with. Walker and Payne are both up in years and getting injury prone. They are making alot of money and most likely will not be around in a season or two. Travis Johnson looks like he can be a two cap tackle with a bit of practice, and with his speed and athletic ability, could possibly be very good at collapsing the pocket and flushing out the QB for our OLBs. I would give this pick an A+ but he has had some injury issues and could POSSIBLY have some attitude issues. However, I think he will be a future starter for us and has the potential to be a playmaker in the front seven. "

Vernand Morency: C- "We needed depth at RB, that is a given. Hollings is NOT showing anything to make me beleive he will work out for us, and while I personally think Wells is a good 2nd string RB and change of pace back, the coaches obviously dont. Morency provides a bit of speed (according to those "in the know") as well as some of the shiftyness that is DD's staple. However, again, there are attitude issues, and he is another small back that is very DD like. A change of pace, by definition, is something that is different from the norm.. DD is the norm, and Morency isnt very different. Additionally, a big back that can pound the ball would have been better able to take advantage of a tired defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter.. or.. possibly help to tire the defense out in the 1st and 2nd so that DD could take advantage of it in the 3rd and 4th. Morency could possibly be a good RB for us, but he could just as easily share the same reliability issues that DD has."

Jerome Mathis: C- "Well we did need a young WR to give us the speed and big play ability opposite of Andre Johnson, but is this really the guy? at 5'11", 181lbs I doubt he is the kind of WR who is gonna jump up and TAKE the ball from the CB. More than likely he will depend on his speed to distance himself and make the catch in the open field. Another knock against him is his hands. He doesnt catch the ball with his hands, but instead uses his chest to "Cradle" the ball. How long will it take him to be able to catch one of Carr's rockets on the fly? The good news is that he may not be our future #2 guy. it is entirely possible that we could make Gaffney or Armstrong our #2, and bring out Mathis on passing downs to give us that deep threat. Either way, this is not the kind of impact player I would expect to make a big difference on our Offense."

Drew Hodgdon: A- "One of our better picks. Hodgdon looks to be a very promising Center or Guard for us. He has good size (despite what the scout reports say) and actually seems to have all the agility and ability in open space that you would want from an interior lineman in a zone blocking scheme. If you look at the Denver Oline, many of their linemen are SMALLER than Hodgdon, but seem to posses those same characteristics that he does. The biggest concerns listed for him seem to be his lower body strength, our weight training program will cure that quickly. He could be getting reps for us as soon as the middle of next season I think. Either way, this was a good pick to get an interior lineman to groom for the future."

C.C. Brown: B- "Looks like he could come in and be an immediate impact on special teams with his athletic ability. at 6'0" 206, with a 4.46 40, I am thinking this could possibly be our FS of the future. We are, obviously, looking to replace our old expansion draft veterans with youthful player of our own choosing, and CC looks like he fits the "speed requirements" of our defense perfectly. However, he is very much a small school prospect, and will likely need AT LEAST a couple seasons before he can do anything more than special teams. "

Kenneth Pettway:D+ "It seems that our F.O. enjoyed picking Babin last year and decided to scout the small schools ALOT this year. To their credit though, they seem to have found some nice prospects. But im not sure this is one of them, and I am not sure what we plan on doing with this guy. At 236 pounds, he is not an OLB, and judging by his workout numbers he is a workout warrior so adding weight to him probably isnt an option. Chances are, he is an ILB.. but he apparently has not much experience in coverage and looks uncomfortable dropping into coverage. If I had to put money on one of our draft picks not making the team.. it would be this guy. I sure hope im wrong though"



I see 3 starters coming out of this draft. Johnson, Hodgdon, and C.C. Brown. I see 2 depth players in Jerome Mathis and Vernand Morency. and I see 1 bust in Pettway. Looking at our past drafts.. 3 starters is the Norm.. so, this draft would be no better or worse than any past draft we have had. I guess that my score of 81(B-) fits then.

Vinny
04-24-2005, 04:46 PM
3) If they don't improve the offensive line, some of us are going to continue seeing the Boselli expansion draft pick as insane. Does anyone recall that we could have picked Willie Roaf,There is a lot to pick apart but I'll leave it at this one item. Roaf wasn't on the expansion list. He was taken off for medical reasons I believe.

Grid
04-24-2005, 04:49 PM
bah.. now all that writing is gonna be ignored cause its in the middle of someone elses thread :)

as my neice would put it

"fartneiners"

Nawzer
04-24-2005, 04:50 PM
some good, a lot of bad.

first for the bad- unless johnson is the next warren sapp, this was a terrible pick. there were proven productive players at need positions everywhere, esp. OL. the texans are a team that can't afford too many more overpayments like babin, hollings, joppru, ragone, ... and yet he reached. seemingly an act of desperation.

now for the good- perhaps the texans are finally dropping their faith-based system for screening players. in the long run, this will help a lot. unfortunately, the very poor job they have done in recent drafts means they might not have much more time to prove themselves.

What in the world are you talking about?!!! We haven't done a good job of drafting recently?! We've been in existence for 4 years only!!! And C.C. has already made draft picks that turned out to be brilliant. For example, Domanick Davis, Jabbar Gaffney, DeMarcus Faggins, Ramon Walker, Jonathan Wells, Antwaan Peek are all major contributors on our team. As for Travis Johnson. He doesn't have to be the next Warren Sapp for this to be a good pick. He was a solid player at FSU and even though he didn't have great numbers, his job is to rush the passer so that our linebackers can make plays!!!

TigerBait
04-24-2005, 04:51 PM
I give them a D-

Here's a few thoughts...

1) The fact we drafted a RB that will push DD for a starting job does not speak well of the draftee...it speaks lowly of DD. (which is why I would have traded up to get Benson...but thats me)

2) Since they didn't move up, they should have taken DJ...period.

3) If they don't improve the offensive line, some of us are going to continue seeing the Boselli expansion draft pick as insane. Does anyone recall that we could have picked Willie Roaf, you know - a healthy OT thats started every game for the past 3 years? Oh yeah...pro bowl appearances and stuff too. Personally, I don't really think there would have been that much help at offensive line coming out of this draft, even if drafting an O-Liner at every chance. I don't see an Orlando Pace anywhere in the draft.

4) I'm still waiting for the David Carr pick to earn its keep.

5) The Texans should adopt a "punt on first down" offensive scheme next year.

;)

Did you even watch the games last year? In regards to your spectacularly comedical last comment, about the "punt on first down" offensive scheme; Yes our offense did turn the ball over, more than we should and in vital parts of the game definetly, but offense was the least of our problems last year. We were ranked 15th in overall offense, that without an experience OL (in terms of playing together), a durable back, and a compliment to AJ that could take coverage away from him. On the other hand our defense did force turnovers, but that was with no inside pass rushing force. Not to mention we did not have a great year stopping the run which is heralded with the 3-4 defense. We had about the 29th overall defense and that compared to our offense is abismal.

Vinny
04-24-2005, 04:52 PM
No, I think the league pulled him. I'll check later.

john1225
04-24-2005, 04:57 PM
Carr can't throw from his ***, needed a left offensive line :thumbdown

TigerBait
04-24-2005, 04:59 PM
why can't a 3rd rounder in 2005 compete with a 4th rounder from 2003?

bigfan77801
04-24-2005, 05:01 PM
Has anyone gone to the Jags board to see their grade on the draft?
If you haven't follow this link

http://www.jaguars.com/mb/default.aspx?f=9&m=387161

Interesting? :hmmm:

Vinny
04-24-2005, 05:03 PM
Roaf fails physical, off expansion draft list
NFL.com wire reports

METAIRIE, La. (Feb. 7, 2002) -- The New Orleans Saints were forced to withdraw Willie Roaf, who is coming off major knee surgery, from the NFL expansion draft list after the seven-time Pro Bowl tackle failed to pass a physical.

The physical was administered by an independent doctor approved by the NFL who concluded that Roaf would not be ready to play by June 1, the mandatory date outlined by league officials for players eligible in the expansion draft.

Roaf underwent reconstructive surgery on his right knee Nov. 27 and has admitted that personal problems have caused him to lag behind in his rehabilitation.

"Willie took a physical, but he did not pass," Saints coach Jim Haslett told the New Orleans Times-Picayune. "So we took him off the list."

Each NFL team was required to submit a list of five players eligible to be selected by the Houston Texans in the Feb. 18 expansion draft. http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NO/4972496

ojthecat
04-24-2005, 05:03 PM
It doesn't really matter...my point wasn't so much that Roaf was the greatest thing ever...it was that Boselli was a wasted pick. At this point, it's safe to say anyone who played 1 down since the expansion draft would have been a more beneficial pick. Get my drift?
;)

That just shows your ignorance on the whole Boselli issue, We all know that if we did not pick him we would not have gotten Walker and Payne they were all a package deal from Jasksonville.

Why don't you just go back to your NE board and leave us alone.

Grid
04-24-2005, 05:05 PM
Patriot.. taking Bosselli was part of the deal to get Gary Walker and... who? cant remember now... Seth Payne?

Either way.. taking Bosselli allowed us to also get a couple of players who made a huge difference for us early on. People need to get over Bosselli.



And people also need to get over the left side of our Oline.

We need to make an F.A.Q. that we can point people towards when they bring up the same tired old subject. I am so tired of defending the same things over and over and over and over and over.

CaptainPatriot
04-24-2005, 05:05 PM
I give a D With the Texans being last in the NFL in sacks on both sides of the ball. Plus Sharper is gone! How the Texans going to stop the run now?You have to address it. Look at Dallas they had D-Line issues they addressed it. PATS had O-Line issues they addressed it. This was a band-aid
draft for the Texans. Have a problem giving up a 2nd rounder for a disgruntle CB when there are 2 good CB`s here already. Is Glenn on his way out? That 2nd pick could have been used for O-Line or another D-Line:confused: and still could have picked up Mathis!!! At least Mathis will make the losses this yr exciting!

Vinny
04-24-2005, 05:08 PM
From that same article that disqualified Roaf...

Wouldn't Wally Williams would have been a better choice than Boselli?

lolNo, because we wouldn't have gotten 2/3rds of our defensive line with Williams (no package deal with him) who played his last game in 2002. Knowing what you are talking about would be helpful when you are being critical of our moves.

ojthecat
04-24-2005, 05:08 PM
Have a problem giving up a 2nd rounder for a disgruntle CB when there are 2 good CB`s here already. Is Glenn on his way out? That 2nd pick could have been used for O-Line or another D-Line:confused: and still could have picked up Mathis!!! At least Mathis will make the losses this yr exciting!

Dude we are in the same division as the Colts we can not have enough Cover corners and Glenn is getting up there in age and cap dollars. Giving up a 2 to get a corner that is ready to start.... Priceless

Grid
04-24-2005, 05:10 PM
From that same article that disqualified Roaf...

Wouldn't Wally Williams would have been a better choice than Boselli?

lol

lol:

:listening

:slap:

lucky13
04-24-2005, 05:11 PM
excuse me, but this spin about boselli ignores the rules of the expansion draft. the jaguars could only pull one of walker and payne back. and, of course, there is the matter of boselli's monstrous salary and the texans early refusal to aggressively pursue FAs because of boselli's money. picking boselli was a disaster, plain and simple, and everyone outside houston recognizes it as such.

Grid
04-24-2005, 05:11 PM
Ahh yes...and think how much worse we would have been without Payne's pains and Walker.

<sarcasm off>

Actually...I do like Walker.


........ ok.. your a troll. No one could be that stupid without doing it on purpose.

Im done replying to you :)

Vinny
04-24-2005, 05:12 PM
excuse me, but this spin about boselli ignores the rules of the expansion draft. the jaguars could only pull one of walker and payne back.that was the whole deal...they agreed to pull neither if we take Boselli.

ojthecat
04-24-2005, 05:15 PM
excuse me, but this spin about boselli ignores the rules of the expansion draft. the jaguars could only pull one of walker and payne back. and, of course, there is the matter of boselli's monstrous salary and the texans early refusal to aggressively pursue FAs because of boselli's money. picking boselli was a disaster, plain and simple, and everyone outside houston recognizes it as such.

Yes, however we had a deal with Jacksonville if we agreed to take Boselli they would put and leave both Walker and Payne on the list. And sure we could have gone ahead and taken walker or payne but then we would have only gotten one and Jacksonville would never deal with us again.

Fiddy
04-24-2005, 05:21 PM
I do like Walker though ;) If that matters.Him and his entire half sack last year. :dontknowa

TopTexanFan16
04-24-2005, 05:22 PM
it was lookin like an alright draft till i heard the news of glenn....IMO thats gonna be a major set back to our secondary even thoough we have Pb someone needed to mentor him like glenn did for D-rob. IMO

Babbles
04-24-2005, 05:38 PM
Houston draft grade "d"

Davis37
04-24-2005, 05:47 PM
Quote by Grid
Jerome Mathis: C- "Well we did need a young WR to give us the speed and big play ability opposite of Andre Johnson, but is this really the guy? at 5'11", 181lbs I doubt he is the kind of WR who is gonna jump up and TAKE the ball from the CB. More than likely he will depend on his speed to distance himself and make the catch in the open field. Another knock against him is his hands. He doesnt catch the ball with his hands, but instead uses his chest to "Cradle" the ball. How long will it take him to be able to catch one of Carr's rockets on the fly? The good news is that he may not be our future #2 guy. it is entirely possible that we could make Gaffney or Armstrong our #2, and bring out Mathis on passing downs to give us that deep threat. Either way, this is not the kind of impact player I would expect to make a big difference on our Offense."

I think that you're way off about Mathis... He may not have great hands, but that can be cured quickly. Look at AJ. His hands werent that good his rookie year, but worked on it hard in the offseason and now his hands are amazing. Im sure he can help Mathis out on that. Also, Mathis ran a 4.28 40... I dont think hes gonna have to outjump any CB... Hes gonna catch the ball in the endzone and wonder what happened to that slow CB that was trying to cover him. He is .03 slower than Randy Moss. I think he will be the #2 reciever next season.

Trapped
04-24-2005, 05:56 PM
Jerome Mathis also instantly puts Bradford's, Moses, and newly signed Swinton jobs in jeopardy. Hey will/potentially take up the roster spot of 3 ppl.

Great pick up.

TigerBait
04-24-2005, 05:58 PM
u know who Mathis reminds me alot of? Lee Evans...correct me if you see no comparison but thats just IMO.

Lee Evans- 5'11'' 197 with a 4.41 40. So hes a little slower...

jacquescas
04-24-2005, 06:02 PM
FINAL ANALYSIS.

Day 1.

Travis Johnson DE- He will replace Gary Walker in a year or two, until then he will rotate around the line and help with depth. Not to sure how good he can be, but he will stuff the run which we need. Also got a 3rd rounder next year so thats a plus.

Vernrad Morency RB Second round talent in the 3rd round, could be a good compliment to DD. Our highest drafted back ever.

Phillip Buchanon CB 24 year old corner with 3 years NFL experience (since we traded 2 day 1 picks for him i include him in the draft review)

Day 2.

Jerome Mathis WR Another great value pick, and fits a need nicely. Doesn't have to do anything but learn this year with Bradford back for 1 more year.

Hogdon, Brown, Pettway i know nothing about these players, i can't say much. i know there were still some talent left on the board.

Final Grade C+

The Texans basically got a starting corner, a future starting DE, and maybe our number 2 back and 4 reciever. If all those players pan out this would be a very good draft by most team standards, 4 solid contributors. realistically only 2 of these will be making a difference on our roster a couple years down the road. Probably Buchanon, and Johnson

DomDavis
04-24-2005, 06:06 PM
I give a D With the Texans being last in the NFL in sacks on both sides of the ball. Plus Sharper is gone! How the Texans going to stop the run now?You have to address it

How are we going to stop the run? How are we going to address it? The best solution to that would probably be to draft the best run stopping interior lineman in the entire draft, and that's what we did.

texman8
04-24-2005, 06:08 PM
Getting back to the subject of this topic; Draft grade: B TJ will be first step in retooling our DL; next year,go after a NG to groom behind Payne. Buchanon will help with our nickel package and punt return package. Morency will provide depth behind DD. Mathis will give us speed to take pressure off AJ (eventually). Hopefully, the 5th round C from ASU will grow into replacing McKinney.

USMC_dude
04-24-2005, 06:35 PM
it was lookin like an alright draft till i heard the news of glenn....IMO thats gonna be a major set back to our secondary even thoough we have Pb someone needed to mentor him like glenn did for D-rob. IMO


OK, what about Glenn. what did I miss?

cadahnic
04-24-2005, 06:41 PM
GRADE: C+

TJ- a good player, but we will have to see if he has the heart and character to be an impact player in this league. Should Replace Walker by mid-season.
Morency- He is old, but does not have alot of wear and tear on him so he will be a decent back-up. It is like having two DDs now and that is not bad.
Buchanon- The kid is raw and fast. With Jon Hoke inspiring him he will become a dangerous CB, but he could turn into a problem next year if we dont show him the money
Mathis- A speedster that makes Bradford a June 1 cut and should take over nicely for JJ Moses. Gaff will still be the No.2 but Mathis should provide the deep threat that will help AJ get open.
Hodgon, Brown, Pettway- Hodgon could turn out to be a steal, but the other two kids are nothing more than meatpuppets and possible special team players. Hopefully Starling and Sloan Thomas get their act together and prove they are worthy.

I will upgrade our draft if we pick up Shazor, Means, Munoz, and Brimmer as undrafted free agents.

bckey
04-24-2005, 07:06 PM
That just shows your ignorance on the whole Boselli issue, We all know that if we did not pick him we would not have gotten Walker and Payne they were all a package deal from Jasksonville.

Why don't you just go back to your NE board and leave us alone.

It turned out to be a bad package.

Vinny
04-24-2005, 07:08 PM
That just shows your ignorance on the whole Boselli issue, We all know that if we did not pick him we would not have gotten Walker and Payne they were all a package deal from Jasksonville.

Why don't you just go back to your NE board and leave us alone.

It turned out to be a bad package.Turned out to be a nice package as far as I'm concerned. It allowed us to develop other parts of this team while they held down important trench positions.

D-ReK
04-24-2005, 07:42 PM
My knee jerk reaction is to give us a C for the draft, but I'll hold off judgement til I see how Johnson, Morrency, and Mathis pan out...

jr0ck
04-24-2005, 07:44 PM
Well overall i give the texans draft a F- CASS needs to retire or look for another franchise to screwover not us for god sakes the saints raped us with the trade.

if there is no sarcasm in this statement i might just begin tracking down certain user's on this board a la jay and silent bob (in 'Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back')...and forgive me if the sarcasm is really obvious, i am currently exhausted :thumbup

Dime
04-24-2005, 07:52 PM
Well overall i give the texans draft a F- CASS needs to retire or look for another franchise to screwover not us for god sakes the saints raped us with the trade. :thumbup


Huh? Saints raped us... Dude... your a rookie on this board, do us all a favor and stay a rookie..

We made a trade for next years deeper draft and it cost us only 3 spots... for a third... Pure ****in genius. And we get the top Dt on the board to light some fire and kick the tires big daddy. :thumbup

Honoring Earl 34
04-24-2005, 07:55 PM
:thumbup I give the draft a B. All drafts can't be judged for a year or two . The Patriots were laughed at for drafting Richard Seymour and that worked out .

If you go back and look at our mock , we were way of base alot . I guess the NFL guys are wrong . Just to brag all my picks went higher than where I picked them . What grade would I get from the Wild Black bear ?

I just saw the Saints got us . Thats funny ,Leno better watch it .

Lucky
04-24-2005, 07:56 PM
excuse me, but this spin about boselli ignores the rules of the expansion draft. the jaguars could only pull one of walker and payne back.
We don't know Payne and Walker are even on the expansion list without an agreement by the Texans to take Boselli. Without picking up Boselli, the Texans could have Joe Deloach & Corey Sears as starters.

The fact is that no one knew for certain that Boselli couldn't come back. If the Texans doctors hadn't given the OK, I doubt the deal would have been made. I have too much respect for this organization to believe they'd produce thousands of Boselli jerseys knowing full well he'd never play a down for the team. They took a chance and missed. Boselli's contract has been off the books for 2 years and it's not stopping the Texans from anything. The pursuit of Pace proves that. It's an old, worn out story. Let's park it.

TexanExile
04-24-2005, 08:08 PM
It's too early to give a grade, obviously, but it's safe to say Houston didn't do as well as some teams out there, and certainly did better than some others. Other than that very broad "grade," not much else can be said until camp gets underway.

I expect Travis Johnson to be on the field a LOT, because I'm confident that one of the current starting D-linemen won't make it through the season.

Personally, I would've gone O-line before picking Morency, but I wasn't a fan of the Jason Babin trade, so I should shut up about it, right? :heh: Again, it's likely that DD will miss some games--and when he DOES go down, he'll have to push Hollings off the stretcher to get out of the stadium. Depth was needed.

LOVE the Mathis pick. This was a blue-collar, bargain version of Troy Williamson...pure speed. Could end up being the deep threat Corey Bradford was supposed to be in 2004. If he's as good as advertised (and Kiper wouldn't shut his yap about him being awesome), then that pick was a steal.

The Hodgdon pick was also needed...many around here have been griping all offseason about McKinney, and even though I still say Wand's the #1 problem on that line, the better pick at that point was at center.

Below that (and possibly above that!), I'm not qualified to offer an opinion on the late-rounders. I'm glad the Texans stuck to their guns, and the only thing I see as a serious gripe was not addressing O-line earlier. But again, let's see these guys in camp before they get verbally abused (or deified) in every post!

bckey
04-24-2005, 08:33 PM
It's too early to give a grade, obviously, but it's safe to say Houston didn't do as well as some teams out there, and certainly did better than some others. Other than that very broad "grade," not much else can be said until camp gets underway.

I expect Travis Johnson to be on the field a LOT, because I'm confident that one of the current starting D-linemen won't make it through the season.

Personally, I would've gone O-line before picking Morency, but I wasn't a fan of the Jason Babin trade, so I should shut up about it, right? :heh: Again, it's likely that DD will miss some games--and when he DOES go down, he'll have to push Hollings off the stretcher to get out of the stadium. Depth was needed.

LOVE the Mathis pick. This was a blue-collar, bargain version of Troy Williamson...pure speed. Could end up being the deep threat Corey Bradford was supposed to be in 2004. If he's as good as advertised (and Kiper wouldn't shut his yap about him being awesome), then that pick was a steal.

The Hodgdon pick was also needed...many around here have been griping all offseason about McKinney, and even though I still say Wand's the #1 problem on that line, the better pick at that point was at center.

Below that (and possibly above that!), I'm not qualified to offer an opinion on the late-rounders. I'm glad the Texans stuck to their guns, and the only thing I see as a serious gripe was not addressing O-line earlier. But again, let's see these guys in camp before they get verbally abused (or deified) in every post!


I pretty much agree with everything you said. I really like Travis Johnson and I think he will play a lot this year and create a lot of havoc in the backfield.

I like Morency also. We need a rb that can step in and play if DD gets hurt and just share the load. Hopefully Morency is that back and if we get lucky he might even be better than DD. We'll have to wait and see.

Mathis was a steal in the 4th round. When we missed out on Williamson I'm sure the Texans never thought they would be able to get Mathis in the 4th. We will see him in preseason and probably somewhere down the line this season.


I do wish we could have gotten Baas or Spencer or Mankins but they all went pretty high so we never would have even had a chance in the 2nd if we would have kept our pick unless we traded up.

I would have to grade our draft a B+ if you count Phillip Buchanon.

Porky
04-24-2005, 08:35 PM
I give the draft a C+ just for the picks made this weekend. But, I really feel that Buchanon must be figured into any grades, so I will go with a solid B+.

1st rd - Travis Johnson - This pick is akin to the Babin pick last year. IE - This pick will determine the overall grade of the draft significantly. I had seen some film of him last week on the NFL network, and they had him in the studio. They call him "The Dom". In any case, the film I saw was fairly impressive, but I remember thinking that we was a classic 4-3 1 gap guy who can penetrate, and rush the passer as a DT. Morever, in the first rd, I really like getting "difference makers". Can Travis be a real impact player? I really don't think so. He will certainly help our run defense, and can help rush the passer at End, but I am not convinced that he is the guy who will make a real difference all by himself. In conclusion, I think he will end up making a really nice complementary piece of the puzzle, and really help the depth in the Dline, but the first rd was too high for a player like that imo. I will move the grade up one notch because of the 3rd rd pick in a stronger draft next year. Grade C+

2nd rd - Phillip Buchanon - I consider PB our second rounder, and that we "traded up", and used a 3rd rounder to get him. Compare him to any rookie CB that was taken in the second, and you will see that this was a steal. A guy with his speed, and coverage ability, as well as an excellent punt returner, well, I don't think you find many like that in round 2 that have his polish as a rookie. Unfortunetely, this may spell the end of the Glenn era, which I find repugnant, but that is for another thread. Grade A

3rd rd - Vernand Morency - I really like this pick ALOT! Yes, he runs like DD to some extent, but he has more speed to burn, and can take it to the house at any time. As soon as he gets the blitz packages down, whether that is this year or next, he will start, and DD will be the backup. Grade A-

4th rd - Jerome Mathis - Love this pick. Two homeruns in a row! This guy was the fastest WR in the draft. He will be our KR, and a darn good one imo. Say goodbye to JJ. He will be worked in at WR. He is still a little raw, and from what I understand, needs work on his routes and hands. That will likely keep him in a backup role much of this year, but he could eventually be that #2 guy, and at worst, we have potentially a dynamic KR. not bad at all in rd 4! Grade A

5th rd - Drew Hodgdon - The first pick that I don't have any real knowledge of. So, I will have to base this off internet reports, and what the Texans have said. I have to be honest. I think he is a longshot to make the final 53, but he seems like a good candiate for the practice squad. I don't think he will ever start, but he might work his way in as a backup. What I do think though is that the Texans sent a shot across the bow of the Good Ship Mckinney. To me, this was as much of a message pick to Mckinney, as TJ was to Walker. Grade - C+

6th rd - Ceandris Brown - Vinnie and I breifly discussed this guy last week, as we knew the Texans had a private workout with the guy. Looking at his measurables, he certainly makes the grade with speed to burn, and although he is suppoed to be very raw, I think this guy has some really good upside, and may work his way into the mix. At worst, I see him on the practice squad. And for a 6th rounder, that's all you can ask. Considering the draft position....Grade B+

7th rd - Kenneth Pettway - Ok, another guy unfamiliar to me. Looks like a Charlie Anderson type, and Anderson has worked his way onto the roster. This seems to be the annual rite for CC and company to pluck a tweener late. From what I have read, he appears he is very weak in coverage. That, and the fact that we have many other journemen trying out for the backup OLB positions, makes him a longshot to even sniff the final 53. But, once in a while, they hit on one, and he could be another pracctice squad guy. But imo, even that is less that a 50/50 propositon. Considering the draft position....Grade C+


All in all, the strength of our draft was in the 2nd thru 4th rounds. The worst two (relative to draft position) imo, was the 1st and 5th round. But, pushing Mckinney a bit is never a bad thing, I just think there were better players on the board. And, I just don't feel (and I hope like heck I am wrong) that Johnson will ever be more than a decent 3-4 end. Not good enough for your first rd pick imo. Only time will tell!

dalemurphy
04-24-2005, 08:40 PM
Well, I don't know about a grade. However, I do know that we have youth and talent with some depth everywhere except at TE.

We're deeper and more talented than last year at DL, LB, CB, S... We're also deeper and younger at OL (not as much as some would like); We've added depth and talent at RB, and WR. I'd say things are going well.

Projecting into this season's starting lineup, we look to have only 5-6 players that are 30 years or older making a significant contribution to our team. Yet, despite the youth, we won't be starting any rookies or young players being forced into action before they're ready.

I'm Excited!!!

DocBar
04-24-2005, 08:42 PM
I give 'em a B to a B+. I don't know much about Mathis, but wasn't Bradford supposed to be our "burner"? Anyway, I liked our draft quite a bit. Good job with not much to work with.

dalemurphy
04-24-2005, 08:45 PM
I'm actually quite excited about Drew Hodgdon. I'd never heard of him before today but after reading his bio, etc... I'm confident he'll make our roster and contribute throughout his rookie contract. The guy has started over 40 games at a major division I school. He's experienced and technically sound with decent athleticism. He doesn't have great power but that's about the only negative I see. It looks like he's an ideal fit for zone blocking. And with a smart, experienced player like that with solid physical ability, he will at the least be a reliable backup.

Texanshot
04-24-2005, 09:33 PM
i would grade the draft a definite....
c at best just because we didn't do anything for the offensive line...
david carr would be getting killed next year...unless CASSERLY HAS a plan....so i will wait to judge...... :hmmm:

kbourda
04-24-2005, 09:45 PM
I'll go with an Incomplete grade for the draft. First off, I don't understand for the life of me why we spend picks on RB's. A 3rd this year on Morency, last year a 2nd rounder for Hollings, 4th on Wells, and a pick (not sure what round) on Davis. If we aren't satisfied with our RB position wouldn't it make sense not to re-sign Wells in the off season. And do what needs to be done for the franchise and get that quality RB at the top of the list. I know, easier said than done, but you can't keep hoping to find a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow every year. Secondly, Travis Johnson good pick. But again, why sign Payne to a contract and keep Walker for not producing? If you ask me he should have been given his walking papers before Sharper. Maybe i'm just a blind fan and can't see the big picture but I have to question these moves. But like last year, the year before that, and the year before that, it's a wait and see.

AndreJ
04-24-2005, 09:48 PM
I'll go with an Incomplete grade for the draft. First off, I don't understand for the life of me why we spend picks on RB's. A 3rd this year on Morency, last year a 2nd rounder for Hollings, 4th on Wells, and a pick (not sure what round) on Davis. If we aren't satisfied with our RB position wouldn't it make sense not to re-sign Wells in the off season. And do what needs to be done for the franchise and get that quality RB at the top of the list. I know, easier said than done, but you can't keep hoping to find a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow every year. Secondly, Travis Johnson good pick. But again, why sign Payne to a contract and keep Walker for not producing? If you ask me he should have been given his walking papers before Sharper. Maybe i'm just a blind fan and can't see the big picture but I have to question these moves. But like last year, the year before that, and the year before that, it's a wait and see.

I see where you are coming from as you said all you can do is wait see, and hope things pan out the way you invision.

Dunta_23
04-24-2005, 10:04 PM
I think I would give the draft grade a C.....

Rd 1- D-Line was a need and got the best available( I would have prefered Spears)

Rd 3- Depth RB? I didnt see it as a glaring need unless they got a bigger power style runner or a guy that isnt 25. Im sure he will be a good player just nothing special

Rd 4- WR Jerome Mathis, Great pickup but I dont know if CC deserves credit for a great player falling to him.

Rd 5- C, O Line help was needed and this guy may be good( Good 5th rd Selection)

Rd 6- Safety, probably for special teams, with CJ Mosely on the board I would have help build a DL for the future

Rd 7- Tweener LB, meh, he probably wont make the team

I think they should be players in undrafted free agency, maybe Kay Jay Harris as a backup or Shazor or Browner....Or some bulk on the OL

...my 2 cents

edo783
04-24-2005, 10:20 PM
My initial reaction is that we scored about a C+ to B- with our picks. Not great, but not bad either. Time will tell whether it is better or worse than that.

RiotCommander
04-24-2005, 11:19 PM
Draft grade as a whole: B


I actually give them bonus points for going against the wishes of many, even me, and passing on DJ. He was obviously a 4-3 LB, and may not have fit well into our system. The picks after this I think could have gone better. I feel like DD is our RB, and picking up one in the 3rd when we have bigger holes (LT) is a mistake. Completely ignoring the LT spot all draft, I hope I'm wrong about this, just seems like poor decision making.

My favorite addions were:
Travis Johnson (Should really help stuff the run, and free up some linebackers for sacks)

Jerome Mathis (Possiable #2?? A burner with questionable focus at times)

Drew Hodgdon (Just hope he can help the O-Line, I know very little about this guy, but any addition is better then the exact cast we had last year)

CaptainPatriot
04-25-2005, 12:45 PM
Dude we are in the same division as the Colts we can not have enough Cover corners and Glenn is getting up there in age and cap dollars. Giving up a 2 to get a corner that is ready to start.... Priceless

You can have all the CB`s in the world! Without a pass rush they will be running
around all day long pass after pass after pass!

CaptainPatriot
04-25-2005, 12:48 PM
How are we going to stop the run? How are we going to address it? The best solution to that would probably be to draft the best run stopping interior lineman in the entire draft, and that's what we did.

Also could have picked up FA DT Pat Williams from Bills

powda
04-25-2005, 12:59 PM
a patriots troll here criticizing our offseason moves and draft? hmmmmm. who'd a thunk at this point in his carrer matt cassell would be a hall of famer. nice.

wags
04-25-2005, 01:00 PM
You can have all the CB`s in the world! Without a pass rush they will be running
around all day long pass after pass after pass!

That's why we drafted Johnson. :rolleyes:

Davis37
04-25-2005, 01:42 PM
Also could have picked up FA DT Pat Williams from Bills

That would have been a great pick up!

threetoedpete
04-26-2005, 03:57 AM
FINAL ANALYSIS.

Day 1.

Travis Johnson DE- He will replace Gary Walker in a year or two, until then he will rotate around the line and help with depth. Not to sure how good he can be, but he will stuff the run which we need. Also got a 3rd rounder next year so thats a plus.

Vernrad Morency RB Second round talent in the 3rd round, could be a good compliment to DD. Our highest drafted back ever.

Phillip Buchanon CB 24 year old corner with 3 years NFL experience (since we traded 2 day 1 picks for him i include him in the draft review)

Day 2.

Jerome Mathis WR Another great value pick, and fits a need nicely. Doesn't have to do anything but learn this year with Bradford back for 1 more year.

Hogdon, Brown, Pettway i know nothing about these players, i can't say much. i know there were still some talent left on the board.

Final Grade C+

The Texans basically got a starting corner, a future starting DE, and maybe our number 2 back and 4 reciever. If all those players pan out this would be a very good draft by most team standards, 4 solid contributors. realistically only 2 of these will be making a difference on our roster a couple years down the road. Probably Buchanon, and Johnson
:thumbup

A maybe starting DE. JMHO. Little light in the beam campaired to Udeeze last year according to some on this board. If you go to NFL.com and read the center's write up, well
all I'll say is it's a long drop from Spencer/Bass to Hodgdon. That nagging second round pick again. Bad luck.

Look I do watch Texas games. I'm lucky enough to have a friend who has tickets and I get to go when no one else want's to go. I liked DJ not because he played for Texas. But, because I believe he is going to be heck of a player in this league for a lot of years. If they were tring to move down for Miller/ Bass or some other scenario I can understand that. There tellin' me they believe under any cirumstance, Greenwood is superior to DJ. I have to yeild to them because this is their rice bowl. Just looks to me they got caught in a bad move and spit the bit. I understand that they were never going to take him. But don't write that I don't know anything because I liked the guy. We're all tring to put some positive spin on this porker. Still looks like a pig to me. Another guy who didn't fit their system. But I believe they are wrong in the long haul. Time will tell the tale. I also believe, there is a whole lot of ifs, spit and wire holding this thing together this year. And we didn't get a lot of help this weekend. Anyone saying we did is just walking the yellow brick road with Dorthy and toto. And I KNOW in year four, it's not going to be too much longer befor we have our first 12-4 ,"we're going to the playoffs post". I just wanna know how many more near misses does this staff get ? Hollings, Jopporu, Milford Brown, ect. I may not be Kiper, but I'm available for that second round pick next year. They gotta lot of eggs in the Babbin /Peek/PB basket. Might work out. If it don't work out, we'll be at the top of the draft next year picking the franchise left tackle, or another corner. Gonna be fun. And what ever happens, CC and Dom have shopped for these gorceries.12-4 or 4-12, this is their stew.

rittenhouserobz
04-26-2005, 06:42 AM
The Hodgdon pick was also needed...many around here have been griping all offseason about McKinney, and even though I still say Wand's the #1 problem on that line, the better pick at that point was at center.



I keep reading that next years draft is going to have better prospects for LT. It is my hope that the Texans get the LT they need next year.

I give the Texans an A for the draft. They have added 4 potential starters with a lower cap hit than the players that will eventually be replaced.

bt1retired
04-26-2005, 11:08 AM
I believe you have hit the nail on the head the linebacker pick was a bust and could have been used for an OL. When are we going to give David Carr the protection he needs. And allow him to do what he was drafted for in the beginning

infantrycak
04-26-2005, 11:51 AM
I believe you have hit the nail on the head the linebacker pick was a bust and could have been used for an OL. When are we going to give David Carr the protection he needs. And allow him to do what he was drafted for in the beginning

Yeah, because Jacob Rogers would have made soooo much of a difference last year. Saying we should have taken OL is meaningless without looking at who was available and what contribution they would have made.

Texas_Thrill
04-26-2005, 01:05 PM
Can we really grade a draft until after the season is over? I mean right now if anything we should be grading LAST year's draft class. we KNOW what they did on the field which is where it counts. I don't think you should grade a draft class until after the season is over b/c that's when you actually know what the heck kinda players you got if any.

Some of my questions however are....

If we didn't think DJ would fit in the 3-4 why do we think TJ will?

Why did we draft a 25 year old RB?

Is it me or did just about every player in this draft seem to have CHARACTER issues?

CaptainPatriot
04-27-2005, 06:41 PM
That's why we drafted Johnson. :rolleyes:
Texans need more than just Johnson he is a start.

CaptainPatriot
04-27-2005, 06:45 PM
a patriots troll here criticizing our offseason moves and draft? hmmmmm. who'd a thunk at this point in his carrer matt cassell would be a hall of famer. nice.
you never know :)

FatBoyTim
04-27-2005, 09:41 PM
Easy it was a solid D

outofhnd
04-27-2005, 09:53 PM
Personally I liked it :) I wanted to draft D-Line this year. It is a need. Now if he is just terrible then it will be bad but i like our picks. Mathis was a great Pick, as he may at the very lest spell the end for JJ. We are getting younger and more solidified and im glad we released some more old players like foreman sharper and glenn. I liked Glenn, but his best years are behind him. Sharper was great but wasnt good in coverage. Foreman seemed lost in pass coverage, and his tackling seems to have declined.

so all in all it was good my only complaint was maybe ILB instead of RB in round 2. otherwise all is good

infantrycak
04-28-2005, 08:55 AM
Hogdon - C = Very Raw, not enough talent to be back up material this year.

So who was the pick in the 5th that would have rated a grade over C? Folks in the 5th are either less athletic, raw or have injury issues.

TheOgre
04-28-2005, 09:04 AM
Does anyone recall that we could have picked Willie Roaf, you know - a healthy OT thats started every game for the past 3 years? Oh yeah...pro bowl appearances and stuff too.

Ironically the NFL pulled Roaf from our expansion list at the last minute because he was too injured and they didn't think he would play in 2002. You might not remember that though. I cannot remember if he was traded to KC or if he was cut and signed.

infantrycak
04-28-2005, 09:30 AM
Ironically the NFL pulled Roaf from our expansion list at the last minute because he was too injured and they didn't think he would play in 2002. You might not remember that though. I cannot remember if he was traded to KC or if he was cut and signed.

Yeah, that was the real getting Boselli'd part of that transaction. After Roaf was pulled from the expansion draft, he was traded to the Chiefs for a 6th rounder. Aaaack. That is the one thing I really wonder about--what if the Texans had Roaf at LT and Pitts at LG since the beginning? OK, can't think about that any more.

cuppacoffee
04-28-2005, 09:32 AM
This is in this mornings chronic. carlton thompson article.

"For now, whether the Texans are headed in the right direction is a topic for lively debate. Check back at the end of the 2005 season when the record will have cast the deciding vote."

beerlover
04-28-2005, 09:47 AM
this is a pretty rosey forecast with little substance to back it up but positive news is good news from our friends at GBN- http://www.gbnreport.com/2005draftgrades.htm

Houston… The Texans made two key moves to upgrade their defensive unit. First, Houston shipped a couple of first day picks to Oakland in order to acquire veteran CB Philip Buchanon in the days leading up to the draft. If he keeps his head in the game – Buchanon was very inconsistent the past couple of years with the Raiders – he should combine with last year’s #1 pick, CB Dunta Robinson, the GBN Defensive Rookie of the Year in 2004, to give the Texans one of the better pair of cover corners in the league. Houston then recouped one of the picks sent to Oakland when they moved down three spots in the opening round, but still got DT Travis Johnson, the top interior defensive lineman in the 2005 draft. Johnson was a pure 4-3 DT at Florida State, but has the quickness and explosion off the ball to be a dominating 3-4 DE, if he keeps his head in the game. Johnson was known to take plays off, but if he goes all out like he did in 2004 for the Seminoles, Johnson will be a nice upgrade for the increasingly creaky Houston defensive front. The Texans, though, may not have gotten a lot more out of their 2005 draft. RB Vernand Morency, taken in the 3rd round, will get a shot to displace Dominick Davis as the Texans’ feature back, but Morency is in many ways a very similar back to Davis in that he’s a tough north-south runner with a burst, but lacks real moves. Morency also has had some knee problems in the past. Meanwhile, WR Jerome Mathis, one of the fastest players in the draft, was a nice 4th round pick, though, he remains something of a developmental prospect... Preliminary grade: B+

Texas_Thrill
04-28-2005, 02:10 PM
I'm sorry but the Morency pick killed it for me. I mean a back-up RB or the same ol bag at RB (mind you he is 25) in the 3rd round with O-line help still needed. Brown from UVA would have been a lot better pick!

infantrycak
04-28-2005, 03:42 PM
I'm sorry but the Morency pick killed it for me. I mean a back-up RB or the same ol bag at RB (mind you he is 25) in the 3rd round with O-line help still needed. Brown from UVA would have been a lot better pick!

Read Brown's prospect profile (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/brown_elton) --now does that really sound like a zone blocker? Guaranteed way to lower the talent on your team and make sure your schemes don't work is reach for needs and draft people not suitable for your schemes.