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brakos82
10-02-2011, 03:04 PM
10 points.

0 Kareem Jacksons.

'Nuff said.

GP
10-02-2011, 03:05 PM
Rep your way if it lets me. You play what works, and Allen just works at CB2.

Make KJ the nickel man like we all know he SHOULD BE.

foo82
10-02-2011, 03:06 PM
You know, you could have at least constructed a better argument. You realize that in first 2 games, Texans kept opposing teams to 20 combined points?

fiasco west
10-02-2011, 03:07 PM
Man I swear....Allen was picked on all game long and because he gets a INT on a hail mary pass he is redeemed?

It's funny because when KJ created a fumble week two barely anyone mentions it after the game.

Lets not act like the Texans have never won a game with KJ starting.

LikeMike
10-02-2011, 03:10 PM
Between KJ and Allen it really is a toss up - one week Allen plays better, another week KJ plays better. Today Allen did NOT play good. Yeah, he had that interception on the hail mary, but besides that he got picked on just like KJ gets picked on on bad days. We have a problem at CB2 - but firing a rookie in just his second year is not the answer. Signing a legit CB2 and putting Jackson at Nickle might be the answer. But I don`t see that coming - so until then, let both those guys play and see, who first can turn the corner.

But you are right, next week I would start Allen to see if he can take some momentum with him.

Joeycharp89
10-02-2011, 03:13 PM
He looked about as good as Jackson to me. He had slightly better coverage at some points, but he also had some pretty big screw ups on the short passes. He did have that nice hit to cause the incomplete on 3rd down.

At this point I'd just weigh the good plays with the bad plays. There are some plays Allen made that could cost us the game, but there were some plays he made that could win us the game (like the incomplete, and the interception at the end.

EllisUnit
10-02-2011, 03:14 PM
Man I swear....Allen was picked on all game long and because he gets a INT on a hail mary pass he is redeemed?

It's funny because when KJ created a fumble week two barely anyone mentions it after the game.

Lets not act like the Texans have never won a game with KJ starting.

let me see these stats that allen was picked on all game ???? KJ gave up 8 of 9 last week what was allens ? Wallace had the best day for the steelers and that was with JoJo covering him.

fiasco west
10-02-2011, 03:15 PM
^With the above two posters over ellis

That's exactly why these two are splitting time. Because they both can't win the job.

DocBar
10-02-2011, 03:16 PM
Man I swear....Allen was picked on all game long and because he gets a INT on a hail mary pass he is redeemed?

It's funny because when KJ created a fumble week two barely anyone mentions it after the game.

Lets not act like the Texans have never won a game with KJ starting.Allen had some pretty good coverages today. I'm not gonna complain about him.

bo orlando
10-02-2011, 03:19 PM
Man I swear....Allen was picked on all game long and because he gets a INT on a hail mary pass he is redeemed?

It's funny because when KJ created a fumble week two barely anyone mentions it after the game.

Lets not act like the Texans have never won a game with KJ starting.

even on his bad plays allen was significantly better today than KJ. steelers picked on him at times, but he never looked as clueless as KJ often looks.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-02-2011, 03:21 PM
KJ would get abused in the slot.

EllisUnit
10-02-2011, 03:21 PM
only bad play by allen i remeber was when he looked over his shoulder for the ball on the inside and the ball was thrown to the outside. He had good coverage just lost the ball.

fiasco west
10-02-2011, 03:21 PM
I really didn't see Allen looking 'solid' or 'okay' it looked pretty much the same.

Huge cushion...completion...repeat

As for him doing okay for some coverages...Kareem has done okay for some coverages also, but since he's the scapegoat (Evident that after a win people still complain about him)people just shrug it off. Kareem played okay the first two games and bad against the Saints, no big surprise there.

EllisUnit
10-02-2011, 03:23 PM
I really didn't see Allen looking 'solid' or 'okay' it looked pretty much the same.

Huge cushion...completion...repeat

As for him doing okay for some coverages...Kareem has done okay for some coverages also, but since he's the scapegoat (Evident that after a win people still complain about him)people just shrug it off. Kareem played okay the first two games and bad against the Saints, no big surprise there.

like i said what were the stats against allen ??? it was 8 of 9 against KJ last week.

speedfreek
10-02-2011, 03:34 PM
I honestly dont see how Jackson gets back on the field.

(unless it's because of injury to someone else)

wasted pick, it happens, move on..

TJ

RTP2110
10-02-2011, 03:36 PM
J Allen did as good as could be expected, IMO. He allowed some catches, but he was on the guy as soon as the catch was made. The big difference is that he does'nt get torched for huge gains like KJ does.

I don't what more we can expect from Allen; it's like some people expect the other team to NEVER get open. This is the NFL, which is more and more a passing league. QB's own the league, teams are going tom make plays in the passing game. JJ24 and Allen held Big Ben to 206 yards and 10 points. I'm not complainin.

Rey
10-02-2011, 03:38 PM
This kind of game from Allen is what I thought he brought to the table over Jackson. If he plays enough he will get his hands on balls and make some plays deep down the field.

But I do think Kareem has some talent. Im starting to think he'd make a better safety as well.

fiasco west
10-02-2011, 03:39 PM
like i said what were the stats against allen ??? it was 8 of 9 against KJ last week.

Not sure if those kinda stats are available at this time. But I doubt i'm the only one who thinks Allen was picked on and targeted in this game. Even one of the commentators mentioned that very thing.

I just don't like when people obviously scapegoat a player and pretend he is most of the problem. The first two weeks KJ was solid, where were the big mistakes? He gets burned against a elite offense and lets not forget there was no pass rush and everyone is ready to send him packing and start a guy who has had numerous chances at starting but can't win the job. Allen looks just as bad as KJ, and i'm not even saying KJ is good or he should be the #2 CB of this team, but Allen was not any better. Did he make some plays and look solid at times, yep. But so has Kareem the first two weeks.

DocBar
10-02-2011, 03:40 PM
I really didn't see Allen looking 'solid' or 'okay' it looked pretty much the same.

Huge cushion...completion...repeat

As for him doing okay for some coverages...Kareem has done okay for some coverages also, but since he's the scapegoat (Evident that after a win people still complain about him)people just shrug it off. Kareem played okay the first two games and bad against the Saints, no big surprise there.The DB's all looked a lot better when they started lining up at the LOS and stopped giving up the huge cushion. It cut down on a lot of the pitch and catch 1st downs we're so used to seeing.

HJam72
10-02-2011, 03:43 PM
I agree that it's a toss up.

Allen was picked on today, but some of those times he had good coverage and Roethlisburger beat him in a way that would have beaten most #1 CBs. A perfect pass usually beats good coverage, so it's not always the fault of whoever "gets beat."

No way you fire KJ, but he hasn't beaten Allen out....that's for sure. They're both inconsistent, but KJ has more eventual upside............................................ .................................................. .................................................. EVENTUALLY...

EllisUnit
10-02-2011, 03:43 PM
Not sure if those kinda stats are available. But I doubt i'm the only one who thinks Allen was picked on and targeted in this game. Even one of the commentators mentioned that very thing.

I just don't like when people obviously scapegoat a player and pretend he is most of the problem. The first two weeks KJ was solid, where were the big mistakes? He gets burned against a elite defense and lets not forget there was no pass rush and everyone is ready to send him packing and start a guy who has had numerous chances at starting but can't win the job. Allen looks just as bad as KJ, and i'm not even saying KJ is good or he should be the #2 CB of this team, but Allen was not any better. Did he make some plays and look solid at times, yep. But so has Kareem the first two weeks.

Ok here its simple. JoJo covered wallace all game and he had 4 rec for 77 yards he was tagreted 4 times. A few of those were against zone. J. Allen covered A. Brown who had 5 rec for 67 yards and was thrown to 10 times. dont look like he was abused to me ;) just saying

fiasco west
10-02-2011, 03:44 PM
The DB's all looked a lot better when they started lining up at the LOS and stopped giving up the huge cushion. It cut down on a lot of the pitch and catch 1st downs we're so used to seeing.

Not sure what is up with that cushion, but often times you see it and surprise the opposing QB goes right that way to pick up a free 7 or 8 yards.

DocBar
10-02-2011, 03:45 PM
Ok here its simple. JoJo covered wallace all game and he had 4 rec for 77 yards he was tagreted 4 times. A few of those were against zone. J. Allen covered A. Brown who had 5 rec for 67 yards and was thrown to 10 times. dont look like he was abused to me ;) just saying40 of Wallace's yds came against zone with Manning doing his best to stay with him. All in all, we didn't get abused in the passing game.

fiasco west
10-02-2011, 03:45 PM
Ok here its simple. JoJo covered wallace all game and he had 4 rec for 77 yards he was tagreted 4 times. A few of those were against zone. J. Allen covered A. Brown who had 5 rec for 67 yards and was thrown to 10 times. dont look like he was abused to me ;) just saying

Listen to the numbers, They'll tell you Allen played better than Joseph.

Lets remember that Wallace picked up 40 yards that Joseph had nothing to do with.

Hervoyel
10-02-2011, 03:45 PM
I think it's a wash really. For whatever reason I'm more comfortable with Allen back there than KJ and I always have been BUT I will readily admit that there's no real difference between the two when it's all said and done. They both kinda suck, just in different ways. I find watching Allen being abused less stressful for some reason than watching Kareem be abused. I can't explain why.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-02-2011, 03:46 PM
They both stink. The only difference between today and last week was the pressure we were getting on the QB.

EllisUnit
10-02-2011, 03:48 PM
Listen to the numbers, They'll tell you Allen played better than Joseph.

Lets remember that Wallace picked up 40 yards that Joseph had nothing to do with.

i said against zone, BUT this is not about JoJo i added him to it to show who was covering who. Allen was thrown at 10 times and only allowed 5 rec for 67 yards, that is not getting abused.

EllisUnit
10-02-2011, 03:48 PM
They both stink. The only difference between today and last week was the pressure we were getting on the QB.

Allen looked better than KJ last season as well, and thats when pressure was far in between.

fiasco west
10-02-2011, 03:52 PM
I think it's a wash really. For whatever reason I'm more comfortable with Allen back there than KJ and I always have been BUT I will readily admit that there's no real difference between the two when it's all said and done. They both kinda suck, just in different ways. I find watching Allen being abused less stressful for some reason than watching Kareem be abused. I can't explain why.

I am not backing Kareem, I have admitted that they both are pretty bad.

I think this is what it comes down to. It's because Kareem was our #1 pick and doesn't show any promise.

Mr teX
10-02-2011, 04:08 PM
They both stink. The only difference between today and last week was the pressure we were getting on the QB.

thats it in a nutshell. we were able to get after rothlisberger today, something we couldnt do against brees in the 4th last week......for whatever reason. how quickly we forget allen getting giving up the big play in the jets game to edwards. how quickly we forget that it was allen getting run over for a td by marshall in the miami game & it was KJ who made the big play to stop a drive that week.

its what hervy said...they both suck its just a week to week thing on who gets the blame for sucking the most.

dinkatoid
10-02-2011, 04:22 PM
To me, the difference is that Allen is the better play maker. They will both give up about the same amount of plays imo, but on occasion Allen will get an INT or a huge hit to break up a pass that KJ does not get. Overall, I do not see much of a difference.

However, with that being said, I like seeing KJ out there. I think Allen has become the player he is going to be, and we have seen that. KJ is in his 2nd year, and while he has not been good, you have to hold out hope that maybe a better D coord in Phillips can fix him, cause right now we really do not have another choice. Maybe the lightbulb will finally come on and he will be a decent qb 2 - we just don't know yet. Allen is just a low wattage bulb - we have figured that out.

Also, just on a side note - you can not compare Brees abusing KJ to this game for Allen. The Saints O is on a whole different level than the steelers - I just do not think that is a fair comparison.

BullNation4Life
10-02-2011, 04:27 PM
I STILL say move Quinn back to #2 and put Troy Nolan out there at SS....

Move KJ or Allen to Nickle...

badboy
10-02-2011, 04:30 PM
If anyone watched this game and came away believing we do not need a #2 corner ....
My only problem is deciding corner or WR in first round draft.

hradhak
10-02-2011, 04:30 PM
I'm wondering why it's never been brought up before, but KJ seems like he'd be a decent FS. His strengths are not in covering a guy, but he's a good tackler and his coverage skills wouldn't get exposed when he's in the nickel or on man to man

76Texan
10-02-2011, 04:39 PM
I'm wondering why it's never been brought up before, but KJ seems like he'd be a decent FS. His strengths are not in covering a guy, but he's a good tackler and his coverage skills wouldn't get exposed when he's in the nickel or on man to man

I had brought this up several times, except I don't think Quin would be any better at CB.

If we can get another CB like Joseph, my preference would be Quin at nickle and Jackson at FS (instead of Quin at FS and Jackson at nickle).
But I can live with either way.

BullNation4Life
10-02-2011, 04:48 PM
I had brought this up several times, except I don't think Quin would be any better at CB.

If we can get another CB like Joseph, my preference would be Quin at nickle and Jackson at FS (instead of Quin at FS and Jackson at nickle).
But I can live with either way.

Not happening. Name another team in the NFL not named the Eagles and Jets that has 2 pro bowl corners on their team. It is usually 1 shutdown corner and 1 pretty decent corner...

now the Texans just need to go find that pretty decent corner...

Kimmy
10-02-2011, 04:50 PM
They're both bad, but if I had to choose, I choose Jason Allen

welsh texan
10-02-2011, 04:59 PM
The real clincher for me is that if neither of them can be relied on to cover the damn reciever but one of them has a knack for intercepting the ball every now and then, you have to take that.

Allen can be worth 6 INTs or so a season, why not just take that for the rest of the year and look at how to remedy the problem in the offseason, whether that be coaching up a Carmichael/Harris, another high pick, or there is a FA you like, you make do for now and put it high up your list next year.

HTown2ATX
10-02-2011, 05:02 PM
Look, my fat drunk ass can probably cover in bump and run better than KJ and I know I read the back of a jersey just as well as him, so I can't really defend him, but, I saw Allen get ate up quite a bit today FWIW.

HTown2ATX
10-02-2011, 05:05 PM
I think it's a wash really. For whatever reason I'm more comfortable with Allen back there than KJ and I always have been BUT I will readily admit that there's no real difference between the two when it's all said and done. They both kinda suck, just in different ways. I find watching Allen being abused less stressful for some reason than watching Kareem be abused. I can't explain why.

LMAO....maybe b/c Allen was not a 1st round pick. Also, for some reason KJ burns are just epic where as Allen burns are not as bad.....just bad

EllisUnit
10-02-2011, 05:10 PM
LMAO....maybe b/c Allen was not a 1st round pick. Also, for some reason KJ burns are just epic where as Allen burns are not as bad.....just bad

actually i think allen WAS a first round pick.

http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2007/08/cb-jason-allen-miami-dolphins-draft-bust/

BlueSteel
10-02-2011, 05:15 PM
let me see these stats that allen was picked on all game ???? KJ gave up 8 of 9 last week what was allens ? Wallace had the best day for the steelers and that was with JoJo covering him.

Allen also did not get singled out for an entire drive like KJ did last week against the Saints. In my opinion Allen has out performed KJ, but I am hoping that KJ gets his head wrapped around the pro game soon.

EllisUnit
10-02-2011, 05:17 PM
Allen also did not get singled out for an entire drive like KJ did last week against the Saints. In my opinion Allen has out performed KJ, but I am hoping that KJ gets his head wrapped around the pro game soon.

after 18 games i have seen 0 improvment, so should we still start him HOPING he improves. Missing the play-offs due to an incompitent CB wont be very good for G.K and his hopes of remaining our coach.

Rey
10-02-2011, 05:19 PM
I think it's a wash really. For whatever reason I'm more comfortable with Allen back there than KJ and I always have been BUT I will readily admit that there's no real difference between the two when it's all said and done. They both kinda suck, just in different ways. I find watching Allen being abused less stressful for some reason than watching Kareem be abused. I can't explain why.

Probably because Allen makes plays in between getting beat.

GP
10-02-2011, 05:56 PM
I'll take the veteran over the coddled sophomore every week.

thunderkyss
10-02-2011, 06:13 PM
This kind of game from Allen is what I thought he brought to the table over Jackson. If he plays enough he will get his hands on balls and make some plays deep down the field.

But I do think Kareem has some talent. Im starting to think he'd make a better safety as well.

I don't think Jackson would have been in position to get that INT Allen got.

Jackson would never got abused & manhandled by Brandon Marshall.

Other than that, I didn't see much difference between the two. Allen got lucky a lot today, that the pressure was getting to Rothlisberg. There were several plays that would have gone for big gains & or TDs when Ben was picking on Allen, but Ben couldn't get the ball where he needed it to be.

I'm seeing two sides of the same coin. I agree with fiasco_west, neither guy should be starting right now.

thunderkyss
10-02-2011, 06:17 PM
40 of Wallace's yds came against zone with Manning doing his best to stay with him. All in all, we didn't get abused in the passing game.

& we knew we wouldn't with their OL problems.

Connor Barwin had an excellent game.

thunderkyss
10-02-2011, 06:19 PM
They both stink. The only difference between today and last week was the pressure we were getting on the QB.

Well the QB was different too.

thunderkyss
10-02-2011, 06:23 PM
I STILL say move Quinn back to #2 and put Troy Nolan out there at SS....

Move KJ or Allen to Nickle...

This may be a possibility later in the season. I'd so much rather see Quin at safety than Nolan right now.

But Nolan is getting time, maybe he'll work his way into starting & we can move Quin back to corner.

beerlover
10-02-2011, 06:23 PM
KJ is injured, doesn't play & still gets roasted. Nice :scarygirl:

BlueSteel
10-02-2011, 06:26 PM
after 18 games i have seen 0 improvment, so should we still start him HOPING he improves. Missing the play-offs due to an incompitent CB wont be very good for G.K and his hopes of remaining our coach.

Wait a minute! I want him to grow in practice, not start as the #2 CB for the Texans. :)

I have hopes that ge could still improve. He does look better this year than he did last year.

EllisUnit
10-02-2011, 06:28 PM
Wait a minute! I want him to grow in practice, not start as the #2 CB for the Texans. :)

I have hopes that ge could still improve. He does look better this year than he did last year.

as far as i can see he dont, he has done well against who, collins and Henne, and then Brees made him look like crap. 2 OK games against nobodys dont show improvment to me. Just my opinion

thunderkyss
10-02-2011, 07:45 PM
as far as i can see he dont, he has done well against who, collins and Henne, and then Brees made him look like crap. 2 OK games against nobodys dont show improvment to me. Just my opinion

Even though Henne ate up McCourty & the Patriots the week before?

EllisUnit
10-02-2011, 07:59 PM
Even though Henne ate up McCourty & the Patriots the week before?

dont the pats have the worst defense in the league ?

Lucky
10-02-2011, 07:59 PM
Jackson would never got abused & manhandled by Brandon Marshall.
How do you figure that? Kareem was manhandled by Roy Williams and Steve Smith, last year. That's the average Steve Smith, not the good Steve Smith.

Jason Allen is not a good CB. He's just better than Kareem Jackson.

Maddict5
10-02-2011, 08:02 PM
harris didnt play much today im guessing. didnt see much of him. looks like we went with the 3 cb and s (nolan) on dime plays

thunderkyss
10-02-2011, 08:05 PM
dont the pats have the worst defense in the league ?

yes they do...

Rey
10-02-2011, 08:38 PM
Jackson would never got abused & manhandled by Brandon Marshall.

Not in the same manner, but he'd have taken his lumps.

And IMO, Kareem is better with the action in front of him while Allen is better when he can turn his hips and run.

They both have some ability to do different things. I'd like to see wade try to play them both to their strengths and form a functional 2nd corner between them both.

hradhak
10-02-2011, 08:44 PM
Allen and KJ are probably equivalent in terms of getting beat and having serious lapses in coverage. The difference is that Allen will make an INT every once in a while. IIRC, he led the team in INTs even though he didn't play the whole season with us. For his ability to occasionally make an INT he should get the start over KJ

badboy
10-02-2011, 08:51 PM
SOmebody in another thread said something like he wanted to see how Allen could do at corner after practicing and playing a couple games with first team. He may get his chance now.

Thorn
10-02-2011, 09:04 PM
10 points.

0 Kareem Jacksons.

'Nuff said.

Over react much? KJ is what he is. So far he has proven he is NOT worth pick. We shall see what we shall see.

l

steelbtexan
10-02-2011, 09:42 PM
Not a big Allen fan. But playing against Ben is different than playing against Collins/Henne.

KJ= Bust and it's time to admit this and move on. IMHO

srrono
10-02-2011, 09:50 PM
Allen did have the benefit of a gross off line of Pittsburgh. Allen isnt the answer he was being abuse when Fat Boy had time to throw which wasnt that often. Our future 2nd CB isnt on this roster unless 1 of the rookies start to shine.

gary
10-02-2011, 09:52 PM
As good as the defense is think about how much better it would be with a good number two corner and if Cody became a backup NT but right now he is all they have.

playa465
10-02-2011, 09:53 PM
Allen= better speed so he can sometimes be in position to make plays (learning curve is just about where it always will be)...he has better cover skills but maybe has mental lapses

KJ= Slower and will get run by, but he tackles much better (learning curve still high)...he will never be a cover corner but probably will become a better overall player

Both are not worthy of being CB2, but its all we have or the only ones the coaches have faith in

silvrhand
10-02-2011, 11:05 PM
Allen did have the benefit of a gross off line of Pittsburgh. Allen isnt the answer he was being abuse when Fat Boy had time to throw which wasnt that often. Our future 2nd CB isnt on this roster unless 1 of the rookies start to shine.

Exactly we had 5 sacks and a TON of pressures, we didn't let Ben play his game of moving up in the pocket and getting outside and extending the play.

The sacks/pressure can make a average CB look like a star.

foo82
10-02-2011, 11:51 PM
Not a big Allen fan. But playing against Ben is different than playing against Collins/Henne.

KJ= Bust and it's time to admit this and move on. IMHO

How can anyone be a bust after one season? I don't understand you guys reasoning. Ugh these message boards take stupidity to another level.

Rey
10-02-2011, 11:56 PM
How can anyone be a bust after one season? I don't understand you guys reasoning. Ugh these message boards take stupidity to another level.

They are assuming or suggesting that he will never get any better than what he is now. If that thought holds true, then he would be a bust.

If you think he can potentially get better it would be cool to me if you posted that and why.

GP
10-03-2011, 12:03 AM
How can anyone be a bust after one season? I don't understand you guys reasoning. Ugh these message boards take stupidity to another level.

From what I heard, at a press conference where Saban was discussing with reporters about all the Crimson Tide players entering the draft....when they asked Saban about Kareem Jackson (who left Alabama a year early to enter the draft) Saban was eerily quiet and not nearly as vocally supportive of KJ's decision.

Supposedly, Saban felt like KJ needed a senior year before heading to the NFL. You listen to 'Bama fans who watched all those games, and you'll hear them talking about how KJ has problems NOW that he had back as a junior at 'Bama.

Lack of growth, nagging problems that remain still today, etc. You get the sense that he has reached his ceiling and the ceiling is low. It doesn't mean he is a total bust...but perhaps he needs to be a nickel CB or tried out at safety or used as depth.

Imagine if we had a CB2 who was on the same footing as Joseph is right now. Instead, we have Jason Allen and KJ who are a bump down from Joseph. If this team can get its CB2, whomever it will be, to step up and be as consistent as Joseph...sky is the limit for the Texans.

thunderkyss
10-03-2011, 12:23 AM
They are assuming or suggesting that he will never get any better than what he is now. If that thought holds true, then he would be a bust.

If you think he can potentially get better it would be cool to me if you posted that and why.

All he had to do was attack the ball on three plays against New Orleans. He's looking at the QB, when he sees that QB wind up, attack the route, attack the WR, attack the ball........ that's when you drive forward.

If he'd have done that, broke up those passes.... he'd have had a nice, quiet game.

This isn't a woulda/coulda/shoulda thing.... I'm saying, he's three plays away from a solid game.

Consistency is his biggest problem. Consitency is Allen's biggest problem.

Jackson was 3 plays away from a solid game against Brees. He was solid against Henne & Collins. Allen had a solid game against Ben......

If we were playing Brees today, that period in the 3rd when Ben went after Allen.... would have been totally different.

Rey
10-03-2011, 12:33 AM
If we were playing Brees today, that period in the 3rd when Ben went after Allen.... would have been totally different.

Personally I like Allen better simply because both will be beat and picked on, but Allen has shown the ability to make big plays whereas Kareem hasn't.

And that has been my stance since way back in the 76Texan threads.

I'd rather have the guy out there who has shown that he will/can make big plays.

thunderkyss
10-03-2011, 02:01 AM
Personally I like Allen better simply because both will be beat and picked on, but Allen has shown the ability to make big plays whereas Kareem hasn't.


I personally believe over the course of a season Allen will give up more TDs than Jackson. I think Jackson does a better job of keeping the ball in front of him.

But, I'm rewatching this game now... & that hit to Hines Ward....

I Likey.

HTown2ATX
10-03-2011, 08:51 AM
actually i think allen WAS a first round pick.

http://sports.outsidethebeltway.com/2007/08/cb-jason-allen-miami-dolphins-draft-bust/

Not a Texans 1st rounder....that is what I was referring to.