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76Texan
10-01-2011, 12:53 PM
As Obsiwan and CNND indicate that Schaub tend to stare down the receiver, I wanted to put up some plays to show otherwise.

That is not to say that Schaub doens't do that at times, just like many many many other QBs.
Making the job a receiver easier is part of the game that Schaub stands to improve upon.
He's making progress, and while he's not great, there's no denying that he's doing pretty well.

BTW, I've seen Peyton forced the ball into double coverage and locked onto a receiver and such as well. Sometimes, a QB simply has to thread the needle; at other times, a QB can suck when he does that, and Peyton isn't immune to it either.

Most importantly though, IMO, is how to get the ball out on time to the receiver.
When a QB does that, he helps himself and his receiver.
The defensive players; however, can make great plays at times.

76Texan
10-01-2011, 01:10 PM
The first play of the series starting at the 8:23 mark in the second quarter is shown here:

http://s1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/2011%20Weel%203%20at%20Saints/Qtr%202/48yd%20slant%20to%20AJ%20Greer/

This one has nothing to do with looking off the safety, but it demonstrates the point about how the QB getting the ball out quickly to the receiver can help both tremendously.

Aj went into motion from left to right; the CB followed him and was only about 5 yards off the LOS; there was a lone safety deep.

Here, the CB backpedaled and had to honor the corner route.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/2011%20Weel%203%20at%20Saints/Qtr%202/48yd%20slant%20to%20AJ%20Greer/vlcsnap-1321220.jpg

When AJ cut back insie on the slant, he got seperation quickly.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/2011%20Weel%203%20at%20Saints/Qtr%202/48yd%20slant%20to%20AJ%20Greer/vlcsnap-1321443.jpg

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/2011%20Weel%203%20at%20Saints/Qtr%202/48yd%20slant%20to%20AJ%20Greer/vlcsnap-1321456.jpg


The safety played deep; first we can see him, he was about 23 yards from the LOS (most likely, he had dropped back deeper and only came down when Schaub threw the ball.)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/2011%20Weel%203%20at%20Saints/Qtr%202/48yd%20slant%20to%20AJ%20Greer/vlcsnap-1321509.jpg

The CB Greer never caught up to AJ; it was the safety that finally forced him out of bound.

thunderkyss
10-01-2011, 01:10 PM
Peyton Manning has been accused of staring his receivers down at times as well. I don't really think that is the case. I think Peyton is watching the defense around his receiver, depending on what they do, he makes his decision on what he is going to do with the ball.

They talk about fooling the safety... well I can see how it would look like staring down the receiver if the safety doesn't bite.

76Texan
10-01-2011, 01:18 PM
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/2011%20Weel%203%20at%20Saints/Qtr%202/48yd%20slant%20to%20AJ%20Greer/vlcsnap-1325713.jpg

Starting with this screen shot from the front view, when you follow the sequence, you can see that as the CB open his hip, all AJ had to do was to plant his foot ad cut back inside on the slant route.

http://s1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/2011%20Weel%203%20at%20Saints/Qtr%202/48yd%20slant%20to%20AJ%20Greer/

There's no double move or anything involved here, yet AJ was able to get seperation quickly. The ball just need to arrives on time.

If the CB overplayed the inside, AJ probably fake an inside move and run a sluggo (slant and go) or cut toward the corner.
Because of this, it's never an easy job for a CB to stick to the receiver.

Here's what I get on Greer at the Saints official site:


NFL CAREER – A shutdown cornerback with the speed and skills to make plays all over the field, Jabari Greer has evolved into one of the team’s defensive leaders. Following a humble entry into the NFL as an undrafted free agent at the University of Tennessee, Greer has used the combination of hard work and blazing speed to become an elite cornerback, recording 265 career tackles, eight interception returns for 185 yards, four brought back for touchdowns, two sacks, 56 pass defenses, two forced fumbles and one fumble recovery in seven seasons, the last two in New Orleans. Since becoming a full-time starter in 2007, Greer has broken up 49 passes in as many games. He ranks among the NFL's fastest defensive backs, as he was also a standout on the Volunteer track squad in college.

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/team/roster/jabari-greer/e8b59cea-ea57-4950-a0a1-2835642acc03

76Texan
10-01-2011, 01:25 PM
Peyton Manning has been accused of staring his receivers down at times as well. I don't really think that is the case. I think Peyton is watching the defense around his receiver, depending on what they do, he makes his decision on what he is going to do with the ball.

They talk about fooling the safety... well I can see how it would look like staring down the receiver if the safety doesn't bite.

Right!

That reminds me of the Schaub's pass from the QBs' release thread.
When Schaub looked at AJ on the left, the safety could have bitten it and jumped quickly.
Schaub can then go back to Walter in the deep middle easily.
It's a two-way street sometimes.

ObsiWan
10-01-2011, 08:44 PM
Break down the 3 & 4 play when we're on the 9 - it's this same drive about 2 minutes later in the qtr and you'll see why Schaub frustrates me so and is a such significant part of our redzone ills.

....go ahead, I'll wait.
:D

76Texan
10-02-2011, 12:41 AM
Break down the 3 & 4 play when we're on the 9 - it's this same drive about 2 minutes later in the qtr and you'll see why Schaub frustrates me so and is a such significant part of our redzone ills.

....go ahead, I'll wait.
:D

I'd love to, but I did have to work some 7 hours today... got home late... mixed a nice batch of frozen margaritas for the wife (and double the tequilla for myself).

Been feeling pretty good, and then Photobucket kept acting up.
All I can do for now was to upload the five plays from that offensive series.

http://s1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/2011%20Weel%203%20at%20Saints/Qtr%202/OS%204/

Got to go to work early tomorrow too... before I can go home to catch the second half of the Steelers game.

I've had all these "nice" or "mumbo jumbo" ideas going in my head, but I think I will just chill out a bit and head to bed. I don't know when I can get back to this thread, but I will make a point to.

Hope you enjoy the game tomorrow (I mean later on today).\
And same to me and everybody else on the board.

Got to go setting up the DVR to record the first half (and the whole game, of course) now!

Go Texans!

HJam72
10-02-2011, 07:40 AM
Break down the 3 & 4 play when we're on the 9 - it's this same drive about 2 minutes later in the qtr and you'll see why Schaub frustrates me so and is a such significant part of our redzone ills.

....go ahead, I'll wait.
:D

I believe that's the one I've been complaining about where he has pressure from the right and only waits about 3 seconds to just throw the ball in the dirt instead of several options that mostly involve going to the left:

scrambling for the first down or to see if someone will get open.

A sack would still have netted the same field goal we got.

He just kind of said, "Screw it; who cares as long as I don't get hit?"