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76Texan
10-01-2011, 01:58 AM
I was watching the Steelers/Colts game (after I was done with Steelers vs Ravens and Seahawks) when I came accross a little segment where they compare Peyton's and Collins' release.

I thought it's interesting to compare it with Schaub's because I had mentioned that I like it that Schaub had learn to improve/shorten his release (getting rid of that long wind up of his).

The results are pretty good.
The manual timing method I used is far from pin-point exact (one of these days I will learn to do that), but at least it confirms the assertion that Schaub had improved quite a bit on this part of his game.

I'm estimating that Schaub's release is somewhere between Peyton and Collins, which is more than pretty good.

Here's the sequence on Peyton's release:

http://s1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/QB%20release/Peyton/

Texan_Bill
10-01-2011, 02:07 AM
http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/7/c/7c069-AwJeez_Not_This_Shit_Again_.jpg

76Texan
10-01-2011, 02:09 AM
This is the sequence on Collin's release:

http://s1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/QB%20release/Collins/

Collingsworth's comment on Peyton's .30 release time is as followed:
"You can't do any better than that".

On Collin's he said:
"A little more of a wind-up".

But look at the second sequence.
Collin's mechanics is a really good, if not "textbook example" for a QB.
Two hands holding the ball, pull up to ear level, and follow through.
Nicely done, if you ask me.

76Texan
10-01-2011, 02:12 AM
These are three of the same sequence on Schaub's release:

http://s1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/QB%20release/Schaub/111/

http://s1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/QB%20release/Schaub/222/

http://s1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/QB%20release/Schaub/333/

Look at sequence #3 for the best view.
The ball was out of there in a hurry.
I like that a lot!

76Texan
10-01-2011, 02:23 AM
http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/7/c/7c069-AwJeez_Not_This_Shit_Again_.jpg

Don't you have something better to do, Bill! :choke:

Go drink some more beer and land in paradise, for example, LOL!

ObsiWan
10-01-2011, 04:37 AM
These are three of the same sequence on Schaub's release:

http://s1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/QB%20release/Schaub/111/

http://s1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/QB%20release/Schaub/222/

http://s1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/QB%20release/Schaub/333/

Look at sequence #3 for the best view.
The ball was out of there in a hurry.
I like that a lot!

Yeah, but he's staring down AJ the whole time. I saw no head movement indicating that he's going thru his progressions properly or looking off the Saints' safeties. How the Saints safeties didn't pick up on this is beyond me. And maybe they did in the 4th qtr....

If you want to do something really instructive, break down those red zone FAILs. See why they didn't work? I've got the perfect one for you to start with. There's about 7 minutes left to go in the half. We're up 10-7. It's 3rd & goal on about the nine. Break down that play. Look at that screwed up "jump pass" and tell me about Schaub's "improved release".

He's still got work to do.

beerlover
10-01-2011, 09:42 AM
Yeah, but he's staring down AJ the whole time. I saw no head movement indicating that he's going thru his progressions properly or looking off the Saints' safeties. How the Saints safeties didn't pick up on this is beyond me. And maybe they did in the 4th qtr....

If you want to do something really instructive, break down those red zone FAILs. See why they didn't work? I've got the perfect one for you to start with. There's about 7 minutes left to go in the half. We're up 10-7. It's 3rd & goal on about the nine. Break down that play. Look at that screwed up "jump pass" and tell me about Schaub's "improved release".

He's still got work to do.

lets analyze Drew Brees head movement then compare it to Schaub :vincepalm:

Big Lou
10-01-2011, 11:40 AM
Yeah, but he's staring down AJ the whole time. I saw no head movement indicating that he's going thru his progressions properly or looking off the Saints' safeties. How the Saints safeties didn't pick up on this is beyond me. And maybe they did in the 4th qtr....

If you want to do something really instructive, break down those red zone FAILs. See why they didn't work? I've got the perfect one for you to start with. There's about 7 minutes left to go in the half. We're up 10-7. It's 3rd & goal on about the nine. Break down that play. Look at that screwed up "jump pass" and tell me about Schaub's "improved release".

He's still got work to do.

Doesn't even closely compare to HWWNBN'd solid neck. That guy started staring at the WR during the snap count and never broke eye contact like it was a f'ing staring contest or something. He played the QB position like I used to play Madden, figure out who you want to throw it while picking a play then look at the Playstation cotroller and put my thumb on the button hike the ball, wait for it, wait for it, NOW throw it to the guy you picked before you even saw the defensive formation!!!!

76Texan
10-01-2011, 12:22 PM
Yeah, but he's staring down AJ the whole time. I saw no head movement indicating that he's going thru his progressions properly or looking off the Saints' safeties. How the Saints safeties didn't pick up on this is beyond me. And maybe they did in the 4th qtr....

If you want to do something really instructive, break down those red zone FAILs. See why they didn't work? I've got the perfect one for you to start with. There's about 7 minutes left to go in the half. We're up 10-7. It's 3rd & goal on about the nine. Break down that play. Look at that screwed up "jump pass" and tell me about Schaub's "improved release".

He's still got work to do.

While it's true that Schaub still has work to do, it wasn't the case in this play nor the 3rd down red zone situation you speak of.

In this play, Walter ran a deep crossing route ahead of AJ to take away the nearest safety (and also the safety on the other side).

If you watch closely, Schaub looked in the middle first before going to AJ on the left.
He didn't really need to because Walter's route already took away the safety.
It was more important for Schaub to get the ball to Aj as quickly as possible (which he did.)
Look at the CB Patrick Robinson; he got back pretty quickly.
If Schaub still has that long release like last year, this guy might have a chance to tip the pass away.

Looks like the Saints were in cover 2 with 4 underneath zones and the Texans ran a classic cover 2 beater.
Walter ran toward the deep middle to take away the safeties while AJ got behind the RCB toward the sideline.

The jump pass to AJ was a quick pass.
It has nothing to do with staring down the receiver, IMHO.
Looks like the Texans wanted to try to let AJ overpower some secondary player(s) into the end zone - similar to the play I saw on some poster's avatar (Cardinals game???)

On second down just before that, Schaub wanted to try the same with OD and it almost worked except for a D-lineman tipping the ball away.

I can post some screen shots of that whole drive later to show a few good things Schaub did (that is anything but staring down a receiver.)
IMO, Schaub has also improved in this area; but as with anything, he can always keep working to get better and better.

CloakNNNdagger
10-01-2011, 12:31 PM
Yeah, but he's staring down AJ the whole time. I saw no head movement indicating that he's going thru his progressions properly or looking off the Saints' safeties. How the Saints safeties didn't pick up on this is beyond me. And maybe they did in the 4th qtr....

If you want to do something really instructive, break down those red zone FAILs. See why they didn't work? I've got the perfect one for you to start with. There's about 7 minutes left to go in the half. We're up 10-7. It's 3rd & goal on about the nine. Break down that play. Look at that screwed up "jump pass" and tell me about Schaub's "improved release".

He's still got work to do.

ESPECIALLY near the end of games, Schaub has a tendency to lock onto ONE receiver (usually AJ) and to not bother going through progressions........and throwing into multiple glove tight coverage............just like at the end of the last game where he threw to AJ.......... into impossible quintuple coverage.

76Texan
10-01-2011, 12:35 PM
While I'm at the Steelers/Colts game, I saw a couple of plays after that segment I think is relevant to the Texans and some of our fans' perception: The cushion given by our CBs.

I'm going to go ahead and post them here; we're not the only one that game-plan to take away the deep ball against certain opponent or in certain situation.

Look at this play when the Steelers were on defense.

http://s1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/Steelers%20Colts/101%20Polamalu%20deep%20and%20cushions/


The inside CB (#22 Williams Gay) was about 8 yards off the LOS on the slot receiver (#17 Collie) while the outside CB (#24 Ike Taylor) was a few yards deeper on #85 Garcon.


http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/Steelers%20Colts/101%20Polamalu%20deep%20and%20cushions/vlcsnap-1403729.jpg

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/Steelers%20Colts/101%20Polamalu%20deep%20and%20cushions/vlcsnap-1405780.jpg

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/Steelers%20Colts/101%20Polamalu%20deep%20and%20cushions/vlcsnap-1405884.jpg

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/Steelers%20Colts/101%20Polamalu%20deep%20and%20cushions/vlcsnap-1406733.jpg


They measured how far the deep safety Polamalu was and it came up to 32.6 yards (Collingsworth mentioned that's probably the deepest he's seen a safety played.)

The Steelers gave up a first down on 3rd and 9 as Collie ran a quick hitch in front of #22 W.Gay.

Sounds similar to the Saints game?

HJam72
10-01-2011, 12:36 PM
One day, Schaub is going to throw to AJ in octopulecoverage....and he's going to catch it and score, leaving a trail of DBs in his wake, LOL.

76Texan
10-01-2011, 12:51 PM
And here's more cushions from the Steelers (other teams do that quite a bit too):

http://s1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/Steelers%20Colts/102%20More%20cushions/

On this play, the Steelers had Polamalu about 6 yards from Wayne; RCB Ike Taylor was in the back, about 9-10 yards from the LOS. The LCB played about the same depth and also backpedaled.
(Both were behind the 30-yd line.)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/Steelers%20Colts/102%20More%20cushions/vlcsnap-1409825.jpg

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/Steelers%20Colts/102%20More%20cushions/vlcsnap-1412052.jpg


The Steelers were in a 3-4 set while the Colts were in 12 personnel (one RB, 2 TEs balance formation).

When you look at the sequence, you can see that the Steelers dropped the LOLB back along with the two ILBs and Polamalu into a 4-underneath zone.
The two CBS and the deep safety played cover 3.

Look at how much room Reggie Wayne had near the sideline.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/76Texan/Steelers%20Colts/102%20More%20cushions/vlcsnap-1410167.jpg


Again, this is a simlar situation as the Texans played cover 3 against the Saints on certain occasions.
You see the same cushions thereabout.