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kwayshauntay
09-26-2011, 01:47 AM
On that key 3rd down where Schaub went down like a fainting goat, he did have a legitimate reason for his head and neck to be in pain.

After Schaub goes down, Roman Harper goes down to cover up Schaub.

The video is here:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-orleans-saints/09000d5d82291002/Saints-defense-sack-6-yd-loss

From the last two slow-mo angles, it looks like Harper intentionally raises his right knee/thigh to plant it onto Schaub's dome. Very sneaky cheap shot there by Harper.

Judge for yourselves. I think it looks fishy. Why raise his right leg off the ground like that? It looks unnatural, unless you were intentionally trying to knee the guy in the head.


edit:

gifs for those that don't want to click the link

watch Harper's right knee and how he turns his hips.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hfDxTaRQO-U/ToAuKFlp8EI/AAAAAAAAABU/CuoKkZWOdR4/s1600/schaub+harper+2a.gif

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nI-H7wbpJp8/ToAuD7sZX8I/AAAAAAAAABQ/Y_VttyIrHDw/s1600/schaub+harper+2b.gif

Jackie Chiles
09-26-2011, 02:05 AM
There's nothing there. He went to make sure Schaub was downed and his momentum carried him into him and he hit at some awkward angle. Nothing intentional at all from what I saw.

NitroGSXR
09-26-2011, 02:19 AM
All I got out of all that is that Schaub will not make it out in Hollywood. He's a ****ty actor. I kinda felt that he was playing the injured card to slow the clock down.

Either way, I'm glad he's ok.

Naiirb
09-26-2011, 02:36 AM
Can't say for sure what Schaub really felt, but to me it looked like he felt contact on his helmet and decided to try and act a little to see if he can draw a flag.

kwayshauntay
09-26-2011, 02:58 AM
I'm far from a Schaub fan, but I don't think he was acting.

Nick Collins of the Packers is out for the season with a neck injury in which his neck was jarred in a similar fashion, though the Collins blow was obviously more severe.

(vid: http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d82263f7b/Packers-Collins-out-for-season)

What happened to Collins was clearly accidental.

What Harper did looked kind of intentional, to me at least.

PapaL
09-26-2011, 06:06 AM
He's been trying to get that blow to head call all year. It's not working. His acting is on par w the Giants.

TimeKiller
09-26-2011, 07:43 AM
I don't think it was intentional but Schaub's head gets a quick little snap and those don't feel good. Acting? Knees to the head hurt fool.

SaintRusty
09-26-2011, 08:37 AM
Please. Dude was trying to draw a flag. That was plain as day for anyone to see, including the refs, who apparently didn't see much of anything else that game (on both sides of the ball).

Schaub is better than that. Way better. I get the whole "win at all cost" mentality, but that was embarrassing to watch.

Ole Miss Texan
09-26-2011, 09:13 AM
It didn't look intentional to me. Seemed like Harper was coming in fast and did his best to put his hands on the ground and avoid hitting Schaub and not draw a flag.

AsylumGuido
09-26-2011, 09:30 AM
On that key 3rd down where Schaub went down like a fainting goat, he did have a legitimate reason for his head and neck to be in pain.

After Schaub goes down, Roman Harper goes down to cover up Schaub.

The video is here:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-orleans-saints/09000d5d82291002/Saints-defense-sack-6-yd-loss

From the last two slow-mo angles, it looks like Harper intentionally raises his right knee/thigh to plant it onto Schaub's dome. Very sneaky cheap shot there by Harper.

Judge for yourselves. I think it looks fishy. Why raise his right leg off the ground like that? It looks unnatural, unless you were intentionally trying to knee the guy in the head.


edit:

gifs for those that don't want to click the link

watch Harper's right knee and how he turns his hips.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hfDxTaRQO-U/ToAuKFlp8EI/AAAAAAAAABU/CuoKkZWOdR4/s1600/schaub+harper+2a.gif

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nI-H7wbpJp8/ToAuD7sZX8I/AAAAAAAAABQ/Y_VttyIrHDw/s1600/schaub+harper+2b.gif

It looks to me that Harper lifted his knee to actually avoid hitting Schaub in the head with it. He ended up sliding into him with his hip, instead.

Dread-Head
09-26-2011, 09:32 AM
If the refs didn't call the two A-holes who were bladantly holding on to AJ's jersey near the end of the second quarter, they certainly weren't going to call that.

wope
09-26-2011, 10:02 AM
lol you can't be serious. reaching much? just accept the loss..

Hervoyel
09-26-2011, 11:23 AM
Please. Dude was trying to draw a flag. That was plain as day for anyone to see, including the refs, who apparently didn't see much of anything else that game (on both sides of the ball).

Schaub is better than that. Way better. I get the whole "win at all cost" mentality, but that was embarrassing to watch.

This is the first thing I've seen you post where I really thought "What?" Dude wasn't trying to draw a flag. It probably hurt but it wasn't anything big. Schaub's been hammered over the years particularly in the head. A few years ago he got mugged by the Chargers and probably should have pressed charges. His reaction wasn't "embarrassing". For the record I didn't think Harper did anything intentionally but try and cover the QB up. **** happens, people get hit in awkward ways during football games. Everyone's moving and nobody can read minds.

It looks to me that Harper lifted his knee to actually avoid hitting Schaub in the head with it. He ended up sliding into him with his hip, instead.

This is what I saw as well. I thought it looked like he didn't quite get the knee out of the way and he did hit Schaub with it but it was in no way malicious or intentional nor should it have been called a penalty. Instead I call it "football".

lol you can't be serious. reaching much? just accept the loss..

He's serious but he's wrong.

jtexas
09-26-2011, 11:49 AM
Bad calls all around. The game is so subjective that its turning into basketball. A guy running a 4.4 hits another guy running a 4.4, there is going to be a mess. As Manning is learning, you basically have to arm tackle now. The Texans should throw jump passes over the middle all day. Guaranteed penalty or catch.

twyst
09-26-2011, 11:58 AM
The game is so subjective that its turning into basketball. A guy running a 4.4 hits another guy running a 4.4, there is going to be a mess. As Manning is learning, you basically have to arm tackle now. The Texans should throw jump passes over the middle all day. Guaranteed penalty or catch.The rules are definitely getting ridiculous in regards to contact with receivers. They have made it almost impossible to defend against the pass over the middle anymore. Goodell is ruining the game. Im not sure how you are supposed to hit people with your shoulder without leading with your head etc......

SaintRusty
09-26-2011, 12:57 PM
This is the first thing I've seen you post where I really thought "What?" Dude wasn't trying to draw a flag. It probably hurt but it wasn't anything big. Schaub's been hammered over the years particularly in the head. A few years ago he got mugged by the Chargers and probably should have pressed charges. His reaction wasn't "embarrassing". For the record I didn't think Harper did anything intentionally but try and cover the QB up. **** happens, people get hit in awkward ways during football games. Everyone's moving and nobody can read minds.

Fair enough. I'll correct my statement to say it looked to me like Schaub was laying it on a little thick there at the end and was trying to get that "roughing the passer" call that they seem to hand out like candy these days. If he really was in that much pain then that collision was way worse than it looked from the few shots we have, but yes he's on the field, we're not so who is to say how bad it was.

Textan
09-26-2011, 01:07 PM
Schaub feels one hand touch him and he'll be down like a sack of potatoes. I see a defender take one step into the pocket and I know Schaub will soon go down or throw an interception. His scrambling ability is nil.

b0ng
09-26-2011, 01:10 PM
Nah, didn't really look like a cheap shot in real time, and the replays make it feel the same now a day later.

Vinny
09-26-2011, 01:17 PM
Ridiculous to assert this was a cheap shot, and equally so to say Schaub was faking it. You guys think that just because you wear a helmet you can't compress your spine or see stars when a knee hits you right on the top of the head? Do us all a favor and climb a chair, put on your helmet and fall head first into the floor.

Mr teX
09-26-2011, 01:17 PM
wasnt a cheap shot imo, but he did get a knee to the head that snapped his head back...anyone who's had one of those know they hurt like hell....im sure he's got some soreness back there today.

Dutchrudder
09-26-2011, 04:05 PM
It really didn't look bad to me, but I felt like he was just trying to draw a flag. It was 3rd and 20 or so, but a free 1st down would have been a huge swing of momentum for the Texans at that point.

kwayshauntay
09-30-2011, 12:54 AM
I stand corrected. He admitted he was acting, wow.

(on when he put his hands on his helmet and rubbed his neck after the sack at the end of last game)
“Well, I was just trying to; A, there was a little bit of a guy that came in there with his leg that kind of shocked me a little bit, but at the same time, that’s a point in the game that if you have something like that, that you’re trying to maybe get a flag come out and get a call, trying to do anything you can to move the chains.”

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-3/Quotes-Wednesday-practice/72cbea69-a7fb-454a-9088-7d8468cd80e2



All I got out of all that is that Schaub will not make it out in Hollywood. He's a ****ty actor. I kinda felt that he was playing the injured card to slow the clock down.

Either way, I'm glad he's ok.

Can't say for sure what Schaub really felt, but to me it looked like he felt contact on his helmet and decided to try and act a little to see if he can draw a flag.

He's been trying to get that blow to head call all year. It's not working. His acting is on par w the Giants.

Please. Dude was trying to draw a flag. That was plain as day for anyone to see, including the refs, who apparently didn't see much of anything else that game (on both sides of the ball).

Schaub is better than that. Way better. I get the whole "win at all cost" mentality, but that was embarrassing to watch.

Fair enough. I'll correct my statement to say it looked to me like Schaub was laying it on a little thick there at the end and was trying to get that "roughing the passer" call that they seem to hand out like candy these days. If he really was in that much pain then that collision was way worse than it looked from the few shots we have, but yes he's on the field, we're not so who is to say how bad it was.

It really didn't look bad to me, but I felt like he was just trying to draw a flag. It was 3rd and 20 or so, but a free 1st down would have been a huge swing of momentum for the Texans at that point.


^^^You all were right. I'd never seen Schaub as the type to flop before....but now? Just....wow.

infantrycak
09-30-2011, 09:38 AM
I stand corrected. He admitted he was acting, wow.

^^^You all were right. I'd never seen Schaub as the type to flop before....but now? Just....wow.

You shouldn't stand corrected as it is two separate issues. IMO Harper did intentionally raise his knee to hit Schaub in the head. Regardless of whether or not it hurt it should have been flagged. How often do you see flags for some DLmen brushing a QB's helmet where there was no chance of it hurting? Schaub feeling the blow apparently tried to take advantage of it.

Double Barrel
09-30-2011, 09:52 AM
If that had been Brady, Manning, Brees, or Rogers, it would have been flagged.

I'm not saying that I think it should have been a flag, but the double-standard for marque QBs* in this league is glaringly obvious.

*except for Vick, of course :winky:

infantrycak
09-30-2011, 10:22 AM
If that had been Brady, Manning, Brees, or Rogers, it would have been flagged.

I'm not saying that I think it should have been a flag, but the double-standard for marque QBs* in this league is glaringly obvious.

That's part of the reason I used the touching the helmet example. Last year Antonio Smith sacked Manning. In typical Manning fashion he started to go to the ground to avoid the big hit - smart move, no criticism there. But in going to the ground his head moved down and Smith's hand kissed his helmet and the refs nailed him for blow to the head. Obviously unintentional, inconsequential contact but ends up taking away an 8 yard loss and making it into a 15 yard gain.

Hervoyel
09-30-2011, 11:07 AM
I stand corrected. He admitted he was acting, wow.
(on when he put his hands on his helmet and rubbed his neck after the sack at the end of last game)
“Well, I was just trying to; A, there was a little bit of a guy that came in there with his leg that kind of shocked me a little bit, but at the same time, that’s a point in the game that if you have something like that, that you’re trying to maybe get a flag come out and get a call, trying to do anything you can to move the chains.”

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-3/Quotes-Wednesday-practice/72cbea69-a7fb-454a-9088-7d8468cd80e2














^^^You all were right. I'd never seen Schaub as the type to flop before....but now? Just....wow.

Me too. I didn't accept that explanation but I guess he was doing exactly that.

AsylumGuido
09-30-2011, 04:59 PM
You shouldn't stand corrected as it is two separate issues. IMO Harper did intentionally raise his knee to hit Schaub in the head. Regardless of whether or not it hurt it should have been flagged. How often do you see flags for some DLmen brushing a QB's helmet where there was no chance of it hurting? Schaub feeling the blow apparently tried to take advantage of it.

You don't see it any more. They changed that rule this off-season and now incidental contact with the QB's helmet is no longer drawing flags. As for Harper and the knee, look at the replays closely and you'll clearly see that by lifting his knee he avoided knee to head contact and slid into Schuab with his hip instead. Several other members here have admitted the same. But, a person will see what he wants to see if the bias is strong enough.

thunderkyss
09-30-2011, 05:45 PM
There's nothing there. He went to make sure Schaub was downed and his momentum carried him into him and he hit at some awkward angle. Nothing intentional at all from what I saw.

If he were on the other side of the lOS, I could see that, but when the QB is laying on the ground like that & one of your teammates has him by the ankle, I'm pretty sure you are supposed to pull up. I'd also think you should not go anywhere near his head.

But, Schaub had every opportunity to set the record straight & he said he was hamming it up....

thunderkyss
09-30-2011, 05:51 PM
The rules are definitely getting ridiculous in regards to contact with receivers. They have made it almost impossible to defend against the pass over the middle anymore.

I was watching the Dallas game Monday night. Romo put the ball over one of his receivers head. The guy is stretched out trying to get the ball & Laron Landry puts a hit on him like I ain't seen in a long, long time. He may actually be catching up to his ass by now, being Friday & all.

No Flag, & that receiver was as defenseless as anyone could possibly be.

Later in that same game, I saw a receiver with the ball in his hands, feet just touched the ground & he was about to turn.... but got the snot knocked out of him before he really had a chance... defenseless receiver.

It appears, if you catch the ball, you'll get the flag. If you drop it, that's your ass.

thunderkyss
09-30-2011, 05:56 PM
I'd never seen Schaub as the type to flop before....but now? Just....wow.

I've got to imagine Kubiak had "The Talk" with Matt last week. Told him it was time to put the big-boy pants on & do what it takes to win the game.


He probably just took it the wrong way.