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b0ng
09-23-2011, 07:31 PM
Put your name on it.

1. Drew Brees throws more than 1 pick. That's because he has a combination of Smith, Williams and Barwin in his face all day. Not a big believer in Zach Strief and Jermaine Bushrod. Olin Kreutz is pretty old and not very good either.

2. Thomas, Sproles, and Ivory gain well over 100 yards. Not going to lie Shaun Nobody is bad. Also, Evans and Nicks are pretty good guards and really if the Saints should have 100 yards if they have 25 or more rush attempts.

3. Saints D isn't going to be a sack machine against the Texans. In fact, I think most people are going to watch this game and leave with a much worse opinion of the Saints DL than they have now. Dolphins and the Colts both feature much better pass crushers, and none of them are speed/explosion guys on the Saints like Freeney or Wake.

4. Texans are winning the turnover battle in this one. With the running game being what it is I look for us to easily run on these chumps they have in their front 7, I mean have you seen what that LB corps will possibly look like on Sunday? That's just begging to give Tate another 100+ yard game, begging.

5. With no pressure to pass Schaub is going to have another high completion percentage/low yardage game. Callers all over 610 howl about Schaub is not good.

Texans 27 Saints 21

AsylumGuido
09-23-2011, 08:33 PM
Put your name on it.

1. Drew Brees throws more than 1 pick. That's because he has a combination of Smith, Williams and Barwin in his face all day. Not a big believer in Zach Strief and Jermaine Bushrod. Olin Kreutz is pretty old and not very good either.

2. Thomas, Sproles, and Ivory gain well over 100 yards. Not going to lie Shaun Nobody is bad. Also, Evans and Nicks are pretty good guards and really if the Saints should have 100 yards if they have 25 or more rush attempts.

3. Saints D isn't going to be a sack machine against the Texans. In fact, I think most people are going to watch this game and leave with a much worse opinion of the Saints DL than they have now. Dolphins and the Colts both feature much better pass crushers, and none of them are speed/explosion guys on the Saints like Freeney or Wake.

4. Texans are winning the turnover battle in this one. With the running game being what it is I look for us to easily run on these chumps they have in their front 7, I mean have you seen what that LB corps will possibly look like on Sunday? That's just begging to give Tate another 100+ yard game, begging.

5. With no pressure to pass Schaub is going to have another high completion percentage/low yardage game. Callers all over 610 howl about Schaub is not good.

Texans 27 Saints 21

1. Brees has thrown zero picks thus far and has faced quality pressure from both the Packers and Bears.

2. Chris Ivory is not on the roster, nor has he been this season. But, substitute Mark Ingram in that role and you are correct.

3. The Saints have their top rush DE returning in Will Smith and most of their sacks come from the LB's and DB's that have greater speed and explosion than a defensive lineman.

4. Have you seen what the middle of the defensive line looks like for the Saints with three of the top DT's in the game in the rotation? Aubrayo Franklin, Shaun Rogers and Sedrick Ellis.

5. Expect plenty of pressure on Schaub.

Saints easily score more than 21.

EllisUnit
09-23-2011, 08:39 PM
1. Brees has thrown zero picks thus far and has faced quality pressure from both the Packers and Bears.

2. Chris Ivory is not on the roster, nor has he been this season. But, substitute Mark Ingram in that role and you are correct.

3. The Saints have their top rush DE returning in Will Smith and most of their sacks come from the LB's and DB's that have greater speed and explosion than a defensive lineman.

4. Have you seen what the middle of the defensive line looks like for the Saints with three of the top DT's in the game in the rotation? Aubrayo Franklin, Shaun Rogers and Sedrick Ellis.

5. Expect plenty of pressure on Schaub.

Saints easily score more than 21.

dang a saints fan has the 2nd post :spit: i'm not really to worried about the saints. they are a very good team but i have a good feeling about this

Texans 31 Saints 17

b0ng
09-23-2011, 08:48 PM
1. Brees has thrown zero picks thus far and has faced quality pressure from both the Packers and Bears.

2. Chris Ivory is not on the roster, nor has he been this season. But, substitute Mark Ingram in that role and you are correct.

3. The Saints have their top rush DE returning in Will Smith and most of their sacks come from the LB's and DB's that have greater speed and explosion than a defensive lineman.

4. Have you seen what the middle of the defensive line looks like for the Saints with three of the top DT's in the game in the rotation? Aubrayo Franklin, Shaun Rogers and Sedrick Ellis.

5. Expect plenty of pressure on Schaub.

Saints easily score more than 21.

It's funny because neither one of us can say for certain who is right!

1. Um, I know Matthews and Raji are good on the packers, and they have a pretty good secondary, but Cam Newton did the same thing to their defense. Brees game against Chicago was good, but he wasn't exactly getting under the kind of pressure Phillips is going to put him in. Remember, Drew Brees has thrown for 17, 18, and 22 interceptions in a season before, lets not act like throwing picks is something he doesn't do.

2. Okay

3.Call me crazy, but Chicago has probably the worst offensive line in the NFL. If you think Greg Williams is crazy enough to send 6 and 7 after Schaub he's going to get roasted on the playaction alone, much less if Andre Johnson is 1 on 1 on anybody in your secondary. I'll take AJ in any of those match-ups. Even with Will Smith coming back, he ain't nearly on the level of the pass rushers we've already faced. I would gladly welcome Williams throwing multiple 6 and 7 man blitzes.

4. Shaun Rogers is old, Aubrayo Franklin is playing out of position, and pardon me if I don't think Sed'rick Ellis has lived up to his draft stock. You guys have yet to face a real rushing attack since week 3 of the preseason.

5. Why, cause Will Smith is so good? Please sir, he's decent, but he's not some elite unstoppable pass rusher.

I don't see any of your predictions in that post there big guy.

Edit I lied you did say the Saints will score more than 21. Didn't even give a full score prediction, for shame.

rush2112mn
09-23-2011, 09:00 PM
JJ Watt, Mario, Antonio.....aka THE SWAT PATROL reak havoc on Drew Brees.....with a couple of batted down balls....
Mario with 2 sacks...JJ Watts and Antonio with one each....
Josepth with a interception....

Andre Johnson....over 100 yards and TD...
Tate over 100 yards rushing..... 2 TDs
Daniels TD reception......
Schaub 250 yards passing.....
Jacoby Jones punt return for td......

Final score Texans 28 Saints 21......

This is a statement game......

AsylumGuido
09-23-2011, 09:01 PM
It's funny because neither one of us can say for certain who is right!

1. Um, I know Matthews and Raji are good on the packers, and they have a pretty good secondary, but Cam Newton did the same thing to their defense. Brees game against Chicago was good, but he wasn't exactly getting under the kind of pressure Phillips is going to put him in. Remember, Drew Brees has thrown for 17, 18, and 22 interceptions in a season before, lets not act like throwing picks is something he doesn't do.

2. Okay

3.Call me crazy, but Chicago has probably the worst offensive line in the NFL. If you think Greg Williams is crazy enough to send 6 and 7 after Schaub he's going to get roasted on the playaction alone, much less if Andre Johnson is 1 on 1 on anybody in your secondary. I'll take AJ in any of those match-ups. Even with Will Smith coming back, he ain't nearly on the level of the pass rushers we've already faced. I would gladly welcome Williams throwing multiple 6 and 7 man blitzes.

4. Shaun Rogers is old, Aubrayo Franklin is playing out of position, and pardon me if I don't think Sed'rick Ellis has lived up to his draft stock. You guys have yet to face a real rushing attack since week 3 of the preseason.

5. Why, cause Will Smith is so good? Please sir, he's decent, but he's not some elite unstoppable pass rusher.

I don't see any of your predictions in that post there big guy.

Don't worry. I'll place my prediction. I can see Tate and AJ both with a score. Quite reasonable for a very good offense. I am also expecting another from Daniels when he gets matched up with Harper. Roman Harper may be the best pass rushing and run protection safety in the league, but he has problems in the coverage game.

As for Will Smith, he has led the Saints in sacks more than anyone else since he was drafted.

AsylumGuido
09-23-2011, 09:02 PM
JJ Watt, Mario, Antonio.....aka THE SWAT PATROL reak havoc on Drew Brees.....with a couple of batted down balls....
Mario with 2 sacks...JJ Watts and Antonio with one each....
Josepth with a interception....

Andre Johnson....over 100 yards and TD...
Tate over 100 yards rushing..... 2 TDs
Daniels TD reception......
Schaub 250 yards passing.....
Jacoby Jones punt return for td......

Final score Texans 28 Saints 21......

This is a statement game......

Once again, I will guarantee the Saints put up more than 21 at home. Pick a new final score.

SaintRusty
09-23-2011, 09:03 PM
Saints throw for 300+ Yards, 3+ TD, No ints...if the Pack & the Bears couldn't pick Brees, I'll have to see it to believe the Texans will.
Saints Run for 125+ and at least a TD
Saints Sack Schaub at least twice
Saints Pick Schaub at least once

Texans throw for 230ish yards and 2 TD
Texans Run run for >100 yards and at least a TD
Texans Sack Brees at least once


Game is close early with both teams trading touchdowns and field goals, half time score is within 4 either way.

Saints pull away in second half, ending with final possession kneel downs.

Final Score: Saints 34, Texans 24

:runaway:

MojoMan
09-23-2011, 09:03 PM
The Texans kick "Who dat" to the curb.

b0ng
09-23-2011, 09:04 PM
Roman Harper may be the best pass rushing and run protection safety in the league, but he has problems in the coverage game.
As for Will Smith, he has led the Saints in sacks more than anyone else since he was drafted.

None of that makes him as good as the pass rushers we have already faced. Will Smith is most definitely on a tier below Freeney, Mathis, and Wake and probably lower than that if we are being honest here.

AsylumGuido
09-23-2011, 09:13 PM
None of that makes him as good as the pass rushers we have already faced. Will Smith is most definitely on a tier below Freeney, Mathis, and Wake and probably lower than that if we are being honest here.

No, Will Smith is a much different pass rusher than Freeney and Mathis. They need to play with the lead. They are purely speed rushers. Smith cam better play the run to the QB. He has a more powerful rush and gets in there more often on those first and tens when the offense gets cute.

Thorn
09-23-2011, 09:20 PM
Texans lose to the Saints, but are still 3-1 after the first four games.

I think the defense still has some more Wade learnin' to do. We can beat the Steelers, don't think we will beat the Saints.

I would love to be wrong about this, I would love to be 3-0 after Sunday, but I just don't see it. We shall find out soon enough. Go Texans!!! :logo:

b0ng
09-23-2011, 09:24 PM
No, Will Smith is a much different pass rusher than Freeney and Mathis. They need to play with the lead. They are purely speed rushers. Smith cam better play the run to the QB. He has a more powerful rush and gets in there more often on those first and tens when the offense gets cute.

Mmmmmmm no. Both Freeney and Mathis are good rushers and have more than speed. Will Smith is much slower and not nearly as agile as either one, and his initial step couldn't even be misconstrued as being in the same galaxy as the two from Indy. Saints defense is more about creating pressure with superior numbers, not because any one player is dominant.

Texan_Bill
09-23-2011, 09:24 PM
Clubber Lang: "Prediction? PAIN!!

All kidding aside, I think the Saints will win. A) They're at home and B) Our defense (which we ALL feel better about), won't be able to handle the onslaught that is Drew Brees and their running game.

More interesting to me is how good of game we give them!! Will we hang? Will we be in a position to potentially win the game? Or, are we going to roll over and have our pants pulled down and spanked?

Obviously I would be okay with winning outright, but I could also be relatively happy with a good showing and the Texans playing a really good game even if coming up a little short... The latter would be totally unacceptable!!!

AsylumGuido
09-23-2011, 09:33 PM
Clubber Lang: "Prediction? PAIN!!

All kidding aside, I think the Saints will win. A) They're at home and B) Our defense (which we ALL feel better about), won't be able to handle the onslaught that is Drew Brees and their running game.

More interesting to me is how good of game we give them!! Will we hang? Will we be in a position to potentially win the game? Or, are we going to roll over and have our pants pulled down and spanked?

Obviously I would be okay with winning outright, but I could also be relatively happy with a good showing and the Texans playing a really good game even if coming up a little short... The latter would be totally unacceptable!!!

Definitely one of the first two. I am expecting a frustrating end for Texans fans with the Saints running out the clock with about a ten point lead through the final quarter with the Texans having a couple of possessions but having the pressure shutting them down.

Saints 34 - Texans 24

AsylumGuido
09-23-2011, 09:35 PM
Definitely one of the first two. I am expecting a frustrating end for Texans fans with the Saints running out the clock with about a ten point lead through the final quarter with the Texans having a couple of possessions but having the pressure shutting them down.

Saints 34 - Texans 24

All that stated, I hope y'all run the table through the AFC! Ican't dislike your squad as much as I would wish to.

JamesBill
09-23-2011, 09:49 PM
Once again, I will guarantee the Saints put up more than 21 at home. Pick a new final score.

Why exactly? They only scored over 21 points 3 games last year in the superdome.

JamesBill
09-23-2011, 09:54 PM
Why exactly? They only scored over 21 points 3 games last year in the superdome.

And for comparison, Texans scored 21 or more in 5 games at home.

Texans - 27
Ain'ts - 20

2slik4u
09-23-2011, 09:57 PM
Texans lose to the Saints, but are still 3-1 after the first four games.

I think the defense still has some more Wade learnin' to do. We can beat the Steelers, don't think we will beat the Saints.

I would love to be wrong about this, I would love to be 3-0 after Sunday, but I just don't see it. We shall find out soon enough. Go Texans!!! :logo:

Damn you, Thorn.

:gun:

SaintRusty
09-23-2011, 09:58 PM
Why exactly? They only scored over 21 points 3 games last year in the superdome.

if this were last years team your point would be valid

Thorn
09-23-2011, 10:02 PM
Damn you, Thorn.

:gun:

Well, think about how nice it will be if I'm wrong.

JamesBill
09-23-2011, 10:06 PM
if this were last years team your point would be valid

Exactly our defense is way better. Love your argument though. Oh wait, I didn't see one?

Insight for us?

SaintRusty
09-23-2011, 10:08 PM
Oh wait, I didn't see one?

Insight for us?

You must have missed my post earlier in the thread. :)

JamesBill
09-23-2011, 10:10 PM
You must have missed my post earlier in the thread. :)

It doesn't address what has changed from last year?

thunderkyss
09-23-2011, 10:10 PM
Texans lose to the Saints, but are still 3-1 after the first four games.

I think the defense still has some more Wade learnin' to do. We can beat the Steelers, don't think we will beat the Saints.

I would love to be wrong about this, I would love to be 3-0 after Sunday, but I just don't see it. We shall find out soon enough. Go Texans!!! :logo:

If we can beat the Steelers, we can beat the Saints.

SaintRusty
09-23-2011, 10:12 PM
It doesn't address what has changed from last year?

Quite true. I wasn't the one bringing up irrelevant points about last year, only pointing out that yours was ...well...irrelevant.

SaintRusty
09-23-2011, 10:13 PM
If we can beat the Steelers, we can beat the Saints.

Steelers = Defensive Team
Saints = Offensive Team

Totally different matchup problems.

Thorn
09-23-2011, 10:14 PM
If we can beat the Steelers, we can beat the Saints.

I think the Saints can do a better job of scoring than the Steelers. Just me, but I'd much rather have Brees in my backfield than Big Ben.

JamesBill
09-23-2011, 10:14 PM
Quite true. I wasn't the one bringing up irrelevant points about last year, only pointing out that yours was ...well...irrelevant.

Ok so you promise they will score 21 at home. Something they did 3 out of 8 times last year. If this was week 16 I would use this year. But what we have is last year.

Just a gut feeling on your part or....?

thunderkyss
09-23-2011, 10:15 PM
Definitely one of the first two. I am expecting a frustrating end for Texans fans with the Saints running out the clock with about a ten point lead through the final quarter with the Texans having a couple of possessions but having the pressure shutting them down.

Saints 34 - Texans 24

I'm predicting the Saints fans leaving early, trying to beat the traffic.

Saints 14 - Texans 41

SaintRusty
09-23-2011, 10:16 PM
Just a gut feeling on your part or....?

Just the fact that they haven't scored less than 30 yet this year, against defenses at least as good as the Texans'

SaintRusty
09-23-2011, 10:19 PM
I'm predicting the Saints fans leaving early, trying to beat the traffic.

Saints 14 - Texans 41

:spit:

thunderkyss
09-23-2011, 10:20 PM
Steelers = Defensive Team
Saints = Offensive Team

Totally different matchup problems.

I understand.....

Texans = Offensive Team

If we're going to beat anybody, it would be the Saints. You aren't the only ones who can put points on the board. I'd think the Steelers D has a better chance of stopping our O than the Saints do.


If we can beat the Steelers, we can beat the Saints.

beerlover
09-23-2011, 10:22 PM
I understand.....

Texans = Offensive Team

If we're going to beat anybody, it would be the Saints. You aren't the only ones who can put points on the board. I'd think the Steelers D has a better chance of stopping our O than the Saints do.


If we can beat the Steelers, we can beat the Saints.

Texans must beat the Saints first :kitten:

disaacks3
09-23-2011, 10:23 PM
Saints throw for 300+ Yards, 3+ TD, No ints...if the Pack & the Bears couldn't pick Brees, I'll have to see it to believe the Texans will.
Saints Run for 125+ and at least a TDSaints Sack Schaub at least twice
Saints Pick Schaub at least once

Texans throw for 230ish yards and 2 TD
Texans Run run for <100 yards and at least a TD
Texans Sack Brees at least once


Game is close early with both teams trading touchdowns and field goals, half time score is within 4 either way.

Saints pull away in second half, ending with final possession kneel downs.

Final Score: Saints 34, Texans 24

:runaway: Run or pass, the Saints won't be able to do BOTH successfully against Wade's defense. Expect the Chad Henne solution, force passing underneath and holes to run in the middle.

Just the fact that they haven't scored less than 30 yet this year, against defenses at least as good as the Texans' ONE was "at least", the Pack defense isn't looking too stellar by anyone's measure.

steelbtexan
09-23-2011, 10:23 PM
JJ Watt, Mario, Antonio.....aka THE SWAT PATROL reak havoc on Drew Brees.....with a couple of batted down balls....
Mario with 2 sacks...JJ Watts and Antonio with one each....
Josepth with a interception....

Andre Johnson....over 100 yards and TD...
Tate over 100 yards rushing..... 2 TDs
Daniels TD reception......
Schaub 250 yards passing.....
Jacoby Jones punt return for td......

Final score Texans 28 Saints 21......

This is a statement game......

I'll buy this

Drinking the koolaid

SaintRusty
09-23-2011, 10:25 PM
I'd think the Steelers D has a better chance of stopping our O than the Saints do.

Absolutely. No argument here...

If we can beat the Steelers, we can beat the Saints.

I suppose that's a technically true statement, but being able to beat the Saints says nothing about your ability to beat the Steelers. The teams are so different...as you've pointed out, it'll likely be a shootout Sunday. Against the Steelers it's a completely different game.

JamesBill
09-23-2011, 10:27 PM
Just the fact that they haven't scored less than 30 yet this year, against defenses at least as good as the Texans'

Those defenses that haven't been able to hold anyone under 30 compared to a defense that has had 20 points scored on it all year?

SaintRusty
09-23-2011, 10:28 PM
ONE was "at least", the Pats defense isn't looking too stellar by anyone's measure.

I'm assuming you meant the Packs'...but yeah I thought about that shortly after posting...meh...whatever they haven't scored less than 30 this year yet and I don't see any reason they shouldn't be able to do the same Sunday. Doesn't mean it'll definitely happen, but I think 21 is a very very optimistic score for the Texans to be hoping for.

DocBar
09-23-2011, 10:29 PM
JJ Watt, Mario, Antonio.....aka THE SWAT PATROL reak havoc on Drew Brees.....with a couple of batted down balls....
Mario with 2 sacks...JJ Watts and Antonio with one each....
Josepth with a interception....

Andre Johnson....over 100 yards and TD...
Tate over 100 yards rushing..... 2 TDs
Daniels TD reception......
Schaub 250 yards passing.....
Jacoby Jones punt return for td......

Final score Texans 28 Saints 21......

This is a statement game...... The Texans score 5 TD's and have a final score of 28-21? Did they make us give a TD back so Payton would get that "just sucked a lemon" look off of his face?:spit:

SaintRusty
09-23-2011, 10:31 PM
Those defenses that haven't been able to hold anyone under 30 compared to a defense that has had 20 points scored on it all year?

lol...what are you talking about? The bears held Atlanta to 12 and the Pack held Carolina to 23.

:vincepalm:

SaintRusty
09-23-2011, 10:32 PM
edit: repost

disaacks3
09-23-2011, 10:36 PM
I'm assuming you meant the Packs'...but yeah I thought about that shortly after posting...meh...whatever they haven't scored less than 30 this year yet and I don't see any reason they shouldn't be able to do the same Sunday. Doesn't mean it'll definitely happen, but I think 21 is a very very optimistic score for the Texans to be hoping for.

Yeah, I meant the Pack...they've surprised me at how ineffective they've been. (Reading their own press?) I agree about the 21 points. I'm hoping to hold Brees & Co. under 30.

For the record, I expect the Saints to win 28-24. Hope I'm wrong though.

SaintRusty
09-23-2011, 10:41 PM
Did they make us give a TD back so Payton would get that "just sucked a lemon" look off of his face?:spit:

It's permanent! :foottap: ....but yeah we call the look "Magnum" (from zoolander)

b0ng
09-23-2011, 10:43 PM
Just the fact that they haven't scored less than 30 yet this year, against defenses at least as good as the Texans'

Realize that after 2 games the Pack have a piss poor pass defense and Chicago is marginal right now. Since decreed that last years stats are totally irrelevant (apparently) this will be the first real defense you guys will have faced.

See how silly that sounds.

SaintRusty
09-23-2011, 10:50 PM
Realize that after 2 games the Pack have a piss poor pass defense and Chicago is marginal right now. Since decreed that last years stats are totally irrelevant (apparently) this will be the first real defense you guys will have faced.

See how silly that sounds.

Yep. That's now the second time that statement has bitten me with regards to the Pack. See post above.

AsylumGuido
09-23-2011, 11:07 PM
Why exactly? They only scored over 21 points 3 games last year in the superdome.

And they scored more than 21 six times on the road. That said, the Texans gave up more than 21 points in ALL eight road games last season. Heck, the Texans only gave up less than 21 point twice all season!

Facts.

DocBar
09-23-2011, 11:15 PM
And they scored more than 21 six times on the road. That said, the Texans gave up more than 21 points in ALL eight road games last season. Heck, the Texans only gave up less than 21 point twice all season!

Facts.I guess you didn't get the memo: This ain't last seasons Texan defense and we've decided to just disregard any defensive data from 2010. Thought you might want to know. :D :brando:

AsylumGuido
09-23-2011, 11:19 PM
I guess you didn't get the memo: This ain't last seasons Texan defense and we've decided to just diregard any defensive data from 2010. Thought you might want to know. :D :brando:

Sounds good to me since I was responding to someone quoting last years stats. This year's stats are already looking better.

JamesBill
09-23-2011, 11:56 PM
Sounds good to me since I was responding to someone quoting last years stats. This year's stats are already looking better.

I'm pretty sure you guys didn't do a major overhaul on your offense right?

Nawzer
09-24-2011, 12:06 AM
I don't think we have much of a chance against the Saints. We've played 2 good games so far, but there are some deficiencies in our team that the Saints will exploit. I think they'll be successful running the ball and that'll be the main reason why I think the Saints will win. We have a very good offense, but I don't think we're at the level of the Saints or the Packers just yet. My prediction: Saints 34-Texans 14. I hope I'm wrong. I actually feel more optimistic about our chances against the Steelers at home.

jaayteetx
09-24-2011, 12:08 AM
Texans win...that is all...good night!

michaelm
09-24-2011, 12:10 AM
lol...what are you talking about? The bears held Atlanta to 12 and the Pack held Carolina to 23.

:vincepalm:

I'm not really disagreeing with any of your earlier posts (per se), but did you just say that the Pack "held" Carolina to 23 points? Seriously?

Despite the fact that Cam the Wunderkid has thrown for a shit ton of yards, their season scoring average is 22 points, which is not exactly stellar (18th in scoring avg). Especially since Carolina scored more against GB than they did against freakin Arizona.

I'm not sure that "holding" the Panthers to 23 points, and "holding" a rookie QB to 422 yards passing is something that I'd be using as an example of a good defense.

my turn to :vincepalm:

michaelm
09-24-2011, 12:27 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot my prediction.

Zach Strief is going to wake up screaming for weeks after JJ Watt induces night mares in the poor slob.
Seriously, just a month ago Strief was interviewed and was saying how he hoped to prove he was good enough to start in the league.

That guy is going to get abused.

I'll admit that y'all have probably the best guard tandem in the league, but your tackles are going to get used in this game.
Additionally, if old man Kreutz can't hold his ground on passing downs, Breez isn't going to be able to step up in the pocket, and that will be a major risk factor for him since your tackles are going to have a hard time handling our edge rushers.

Your best bet will be running at the center of our defense to take advantage of your strength at OG, and our weakness at NT.

Prediction: JJ Watt gets career sacks 1 & 2 in this game. Mario gets a sack, and Antonio Smith gets a sack.
I also predict that every single Saints fan will remember the name JJ Watt for the rest of his career in the NFL after this game.

Air Canada
09-24-2011, 12:42 AM
JJ Watt, Mario, Antonio.....aka THE SWAT PATROL reak havoc on Drew Brees.....with a couple of batted down balls....
Mario with 2 sacks...JJ Watts and Antonio with one each....
Josepth with a interception....

Andre Johnson....over 100 yards and TD...
Tate over 100 yards rushing..... 2 TDs
Daniels TD reception......
Schaub 250 yards passing.....
Jacoby Jones punt return for td......

Final score Texans 28 Saints 21......

This is a statement game......

So the Texans score 5 TD's, but only win 28-21?? :spit:

76Texan
09-24-2011, 01:00 AM
I predict that Schaub will throw a last second TD pass to win the game, like this HS QB did:


http://msn.foxsports.com/video?vid=2c1c6c01-e58c-4184-be15-96ea65eea337&from=foxsports_en-us_videocentral

Watch it!
It's pretty amazing.
The kid threw the TD pass while he was spun around and nearly from the ground.

Click again and again to go back from the moment the defender started to spin him (the QB) around for some cool Rosencopter action, pretty funny!

SaintRusty
09-24-2011, 01:02 AM
I'm not really disagreeing with any of your earlier posts (per se), but did you just say that the Pack "held" Carolina to 23 points? Seriously?

Despite the fact that Cam the Wunderkid has thrown for a shit ton of yards, their season scoring average is 22 points, which is not exactly stellar (18th in scoring avg). Especially since Carolina scored more against GB than they did against freakin Arizona.

I'm not sure that "holding" the Panthers to 23 points, and "holding" a rookie QB to 422 yards passing is something that I'd be using as an example of a good defense.

my turn to :vincepalm:

Whatever you want to call it, the point I was making was that someone (not sure if it was you) inferred that those defenses had not held any team under 30 yet this year, which is clearly false

Grams
09-24-2011, 06:16 AM
As long as Allen does not play, I am cautiously optimistic that our defense will stop the Saints.

Texans 34-24

If Allen has to play signigicant time at CB all bets are off - Brees will kill us.

DocBar
09-24-2011, 06:26 AM
As long as Allen does not play, I am cautiously optimistic that our defense will stop the Saints.

Texans 34-24

If Allen has to play signigicant time at CB all bets are off - Brees will kill us.We'll spend most of the day in nickel. so it'll either be McCain or Allen. Just hope JJo can go 4 quarters.

ObsiWan
09-24-2011, 10:12 AM
I'm not really disagreeing with any of your earlier posts (per se), but did you just say that the Pack "held" Carolina to 23 points? Seriously?

Despite the fact that Cam the Wunderkid has thrown for a shit ton of yards, their season scoring average is 22 points, which is not exactly stellar (18th in scoring avg). Especially since Carolina scored more against GB than they did against freakin Arizona.

I'm not sure that "holding" the Panthers to 23 points, and "holding" a rookie QB to 422 yards passing is something that I'd be using as an example of a good defense.

my turn to :vincepalm:
Apparently you missed the post our guest was responding to. That was an answer to "the Saints haven't faced a defense that has held anyone to under 30 points" (or words to that effect). I was about to call B/S on that statement myself because that statement was completely wrong.

spurstexanstros
09-24-2011, 10:40 AM
My captain obvious prediction...someone will win and someone will loose.(someone give me a blog)


Texans 27-Saints 10 (drinkin the Koolaid...why not enjoy it before it comes shooting out my nose)

rush2112mn
09-24-2011, 11:14 AM
texans 35 saints 21.....

jaayteetx
09-24-2011, 11:16 AM
My captain obvious prediction...someone will win and someone will loose.(someone give me a blog)


Texans 27-Saints 10 (drinkin the Koolaid...why not enjoy it before it comes shooting out my nose)

Not so fast...could be a tie ya know

Joeycharp89
09-24-2011, 11:20 AM
Saints throw for 300+ Yards, 3+ TD, No ints...if the Pack & the Bears couldn't pick Brees, I'll have to see it to believe the Texans will.
Saints Run for 125+ and at least a TD
Saints Sack Schaub at least twice
Saints Pick Schaub at least once

Texans throw for 230ish yards and 2 TD
Texans Run run for <100 yards and at least a TD
Texans Sack Brees at least once


Game is close early with both teams trading touchdowns and field goals, half time score is within 4 either way.

Saints pull away in second half, ending with final possession kneel downs.

Final Score: Saints 34, Texans 24

:runaway:

Texans run for less than 100 yards? Really? Maybe Ben Tate will finally run for less than 100 yards, but even Slaton could pick up the slack with our O-Line.

SaintRusty
09-24-2011, 11:32 AM
Texans run for less than 100 yards? Really? Maybe Ben Tate will finally run for less than 100 yards, but even Slaton could pick up the slack with our O-Line.

:rake:... wrong character.

Edit...Texans run for >100 yards.

Joeycharp89
09-24-2011, 01:26 PM
:rake:... wrong character.

Edit...Texans run for >100 yards.

Wait.. was it? Sigh I'm terrible at reading those symbols...:vincepalm:

unclejamima
09-24-2011, 01:43 PM
Predictions aren't my thing, but this much is true. NO is a dangerous, explosive team playing AT HOME. They are well coached, and will challenge the Texans early to get the crowd involved. I don't expect to win this one. I say this only because this Houston team is still struggling to mature while NO is already "THERE" as a team. That being said, the any given Sunday thing is always on, and our Defense now causes turnovers......MY OFFICIAL PREDICTION IS............NO 17 HOU 13 (but my inner homer is pissed at me and begs to differ)

BullNation4Life
09-24-2011, 01:50 PM
Texans - 31
Saints - 24

Texans take the "Manning" approach by keeping Brees on sideline and pounding the rock and controlling the clock..

Tate goes for 115 and 2TDs...

AsylumGuido
09-24-2011, 02:54 PM
Texans - 31
Saints - 24

Texans take the "Manning" approach by keeping Brees on sideline and pounding the rock and controlling the clock..

Tate goes for 115 and 2TDs...

Don't forget that the Manning approach led to the Saints' first Super Bowl win.

SaintRusty
09-24-2011, 04:15 PM
Wait.. was it? Sigh I'm terrible at reading those symbols...:vincepalm:

It was, I changed it

michaelm
09-24-2011, 05:01 PM
Don't forget that the Manning approach led to the Saints' first Super Bowl win.

You misunderstood. When he says The Manning Approach, he means the approach that we would use to beat Peyton.
Run the ball, run some more, then run some more. Control the clock and keep your dangerous offense off the field.
Obviously, that's a strategy that could be used by either the Saints or Texans, but IMO, the Texans are equipped to pull it off

AsylumGuido
09-24-2011, 05:08 PM
You misunderstood. When he says The Manning Approach, he means the approach that we would use to beat Peyton.
Run the ball, run some more, then run some more. Control the clock and keep your dangerous offense off the field.
Obviously, that's a strategy that could be used by either the Saints or Texans, but IMO, the Texans are equipped to pull it off

Oh, sorry. But, the Saints are equipped to stop that strategy. That's why they signed the two of the top three rated free agent defensive tackles this off-season - Shaun Rogers and Aubrayo Franklin. Adding this pair to the Saints' Sedrick Ellis gives them perhaps the best run stopping rotation in the league according to some.

The Saints have allowed an average of 81.5 yards against the Packers and Bears. I really doubt the Manning Approach would work against a much more formidable defensive line than the Colts sport.

DocBar
09-24-2011, 05:22 PM
Oh, sorry. But, the Saints are equipped to stop that strategy. That's why they signed the two of the top three rated free agent defensive tackles this off-season - Shaun Rogers and Aubrayo Franklin. Adding this pair to the Saints' Sedrick Ellis gives them perhaps the best run stopping rotation in the league according to some.

The Saints have allowed an average of 81.5 yards against the Packers and Bears. I really doubt the Manning Approach would work against a much more formidable defensive line than the Colts sport.The Pack and the Bears don't run the ZBS like we do, either. I'm not overly impressed with Ellis.
He's above average-ish but by no means a game changer.

AsylumGuido
09-24-2011, 05:55 PM
The Pack and the Bears don't run the ZBS like we do, either. I'm not overly impressed with Ellis.
He's above average-ish but by no means a game changer.

Perhaps you will be more impressed tomorrow. Watch closely. His job is to demand two blockers and he does it well.

DocBar
09-24-2011, 06:31 PM
Perhaps you will be more impressed tomorrow. Watch closely. His job is to demand two blockers and he does it well.Perhaps, but how will he do against our ZBS? That's the difference maker in our running game. Our OL does it well.

Rey
09-24-2011, 06:34 PM
Perhaps you will be more impressed tomorrow. Watch closely. His job is to demand two blockers and he does it well.

I'm pretty confident we will run the ball well. If we don't do anything else, we'll run the ball well.

axman40
09-24-2011, 06:41 PM
Texans 34
Saints 27
It will be a fun game to watch.
:texflag::homer:

TexCanada
09-24-2011, 07:04 PM
Saints 31 - Texans 24

I'm just not quite convinced that the D is ready. Obviously they are MUCH improved, but I think it will still take time for them to be able to handle an offense like the Saints.

Turnovers and QB pressure will be key.

AsylumGuido
09-24-2011, 07:23 PM
Perhaps, but how will he do against our ZBS? That's the difference maker in our running game. Our OL does it well.

The question should be how will your zone blocking does against a continuous rotation of big bodies in the middle? They can wear down the blocking and quickly shut holes the tailback sees early. I expect to see your RB's running into the backs of their own blockers more often than usual tomorrow.

AsylumGuido
09-24-2011, 07:28 PM
Saints 31 - Texans 24

I'm just not quite convinced that the D is ready. Obviously they are MUCH improved, but I think it will still take time for them to be able to handle an offense like the Saints.

Turnovers and QB pressure will be key.

This is close to what I am expecting.

thunderkyss
09-24-2011, 08:31 PM
The question should be how will your zone blocking does against a continuous rotation of big bodies in the middle? They can wear down the blocking and quickly shut holes the tailback sees early. I expect to see your RB's running into the backs of their own blockers more often than usual tomorrow.

& That's why they play the game.

As good as the Saints may be, they're not the best team we've ever faced. Regardless what defense we've fielded, we've played high power offenses before & managed to get a win or two. We've also been known to score 30+ points before, against damn good defense.

AsylumGuido
09-24-2011, 10:27 PM
& That's why they play the game.

As good as the Saints may be, they're not the best team we've ever faced. Regardless what defense we've fielded, we've played high power offenses before & managed to get a win or two. We've also been known to score 30+ points before, against damn good defense.

And that is where the Dome comes into play. The Dome has always been one of the most imposing venues to play in and that was before the off-season upgrades that added over 3,000 seats much closer to the field. Few home fields in the NFL have as meaningful advantage as does the Superdome.

I would love to hear input from any of you that made it to the game. All visiting fans that I have talked with after games have commented on how deafening the noise was. They also commented on the classiness of the Saints fans.

DocBar
09-24-2011, 10:33 PM
And that is where the Dome comes into play. The Dome has always been one of the most imposing venues to play in and that was before the off-season upgrades that added over 3,000 seats much closer to the field. Few home fields in the NFL have as meaningful advantage as does the Superdome.

I would love to hear input from any of you that made it to the game. All visiting fans that I have talked with after games have commented on how deafening the noise was. They also commented on the classiness of the Saints fans.By "the dome has always been an imposing place to play", you really mean a sporadically hard place to play, right? I'm not trying to be a dick, but the Saints have a lot longer history of suckage than intimidation of any sort. :kitten:
Having said that, I do agree that it's a hostile place to play, especially the last 10 years or so.

hradhak
09-24-2011, 10:33 PM
My guess is that we are gonna game plan similar to the Dolphins game. Give up the underneath passes and the run to stop the middle and deep threat. Brees is way better than Henne so I dunno effective that strategy will be.

I think we have a good chance on the ground to grind out a lot of yards on the ground. I'd like our chances better with Foster, but with Tate I think we can win 27-20

Rey
09-24-2011, 10:34 PM
The question should be how will your zone blocking does against a continuous rotation of big bodies in the middle? They can wear down the blocking and quickly shut holes the tailback sees early. I expect to see your RB's running into the backs of their own blockers more often than usual tomorrow.

I don't think we'll run straight at those guys. I expect stretch plays and a couple of screens to get those guys running laterally.

And if Arian is playing and healthy he won't do too much running up the backs if his linemen. His vision is A1.

Saints have the advantage overall, but if we are playing at a high level it will be a good game.

AsylumGuido
09-24-2011, 10:41 PM
By "the dome has always been an imposing place to play", you really mean a sporadically hard place to play, right? I'm not trying to be a dick, but the Saints have a lot longer history of suckage than intimidation of any sort. :kitten:
Having said that, I do agree that it's a hostile place to play, especially the last 10 years or so.

Sorry, I'm an old fart and remember the days of the Dome Patrol which was arguably one of the best defenses in league history. But yes, the last ten years or so have been very hostile. That brief history coincides quite closely with the entire history of the current Houston franchise. More relevant period than the distant past.

DocBar
09-24-2011, 10:44 PM
Sorry, I'm an old fart and remember the days of the Dome Patrol which was arguably one of the best defenses in league history. But yes, the last ten years or so have been very hostile. That brief history coincides quite closely with the entire history of the current Houston franchise. More relevant period than the distant past. Very true. I know that distant history has very little to do with tomorrows game. I just didn;t want to pass up a chance to rub your nose in it. I've been an Oiler/Texan fan since 1975 or so, so I feel your pain.
The Dome Patrol roughly correlates to our "House of Pain", but we also had a helluva D in the late 70's with Wade's daddy, and ex NOLA coach, Bum.

AsylumGuido
09-24-2011, 10:54 PM
Very true. I know that distant history has very little to do with tomorrows game. I just didn;t want to pass up a chance to rub your nose in it. I've been an Oiler/Texan fan since 1975 or so, so I feel your pain.
The Dome Patrol roughly correlates to our "House of Pain", but we also had a helluva D in the late 70's with Wade's daddy, and ex NOLA coach, Bum.

Yup. I remember that period all too well. The Bum years transitioned us from the bag wearing 1980-81 seasons into the Mora era where we finally realized what winning was like. Oh, and you do know that we had both Bum and Wade as head coach, right? 1985.

DocBar
09-24-2011, 11:36 PM
Yup. I remember that period all too well. The Bum years transitioned us from the bag wearing 1980-81 seasons into the Mora era where we finally realized what winning was like. Oh, and you do know that we had both Bum and Wade as head coach, right? 1985.Yeah, I do. Wade is one of those guys that makes a better coordinator than head coach. Bum was the shit, though.

GP
09-25-2011, 01:55 AM
My guess is that we are gonna game plan similar to the Dolphins game. Give up the underneath passes and the run to stop the middle and deep threat. Brees is way better than Henne so I dunno effective that strategy will be.

I think we have a good chance on the ground to grind out a lot of yards on the ground. I'd like our chances better with Foster, but with Tate I think we can win 27-20

Brees is that QB who almost invites you to make him roll in and out of the pocket. He WANTS the pressure.

But then again, he'll pick ya' apart if you DON'T pressure him.

Sometimes, it feels like you literally have got to just hope the people around him fall apart and make their own bad luck out there. A dropped ball here and there (like Colston catching and then fumbling a pass vs. the Packers in game 1 this year). To me, that was a foreshadowing of what kind of ending would occur in that game. Colston doesn't do that, and I even think that was the play where he broke his clavicle IIRC.

I dunno. I just think we're going to lose this game. I have a wonky feeling about this game. We're in their house after having played very well vs. Saints in our own house in preseason. Brees is legit, obviously.

Could be a tight game. Could be a blowout. I don't even know which side ends up winning the damn thing. I guess that's why we all tune in, right?

Lucky
09-25-2011, 08:34 AM
The question should be how will your zone blocking does against a continuous rotation of big bodies in the middle? They can wear down the blocking and quickly shut holes the tailback sees early. I expect to see your RB's running into the backs of their own blockers more often than usual tomorrow.
I think the Saints big DTs can be negated by the zone blocking system, which forces the defenders to move laterally. Not what these guys do best.

Few home fields in the NFL have as meaningful advantage as does the Superdome.
I realize that it is very loud in the Superdome. It can be very loud at Reliant. It's just that the "meaningful advantage" doesn't necessarily reflect in the record. The Saints are 25-16 at home in the Payton era. That's OK, but hardly meaningful. They're 26-15 on the road over the same period.

AsylumGuido
09-25-2011, 09:23 AM
Brees is that QB who almost invites you to make him roll in and out of the pocket. He WANTS the pressure.

But then again, he'll pick ya' apart if you DON'T pressure him.

Sometimes, it feels like you literally have got to just hope the people around him fall apart and make their own bad luck out there. A dropped ball here and there (like Colston catching and then fumbling a pass vs. the Packers in game 1 this year). To me, that was a foreshadowing of what kind of ending would occur in that game. Colston doesn't do that, and I even think that was the play where he broke his clavicle IIRC.

I dunno. I just think we're going to lose this game. I have a wonky feeling about this game. We're in their house after having played very well vs. Saints in our own house in preseason. Brees is legit, obviously.

Could be a tight game. Could be a blowout. I don't even know which side ends up winning the damn thing. I guess that's why we all tune in, right?

Yup. Three hours, thirty-six minutes away. But who's counting?

drs23
09-25-2011, 10:29 AM
Yup. Three hours, thirty-six minutes away. But who's counting?

I'm counting while I'm getting the groceries ready. Sure wish I could have been there. I was fourtunate enough to be able to attend the PS game last season with a group of Blue Crewers and had a blast.

:gotexans1

b0ng
09-26-2011, 01:55 PM
I will bump this saying that some of my predictions (Brees, multiple picks, winning turnover battle) and some were off (High completion %/low yardage for schaub, Texans winning, etc).

Congrats to all who proved right. I think I'll start a new prediction thread tommorrow.

SaintRusty
09-26-2011, 02:30 PM
Saints throw for 300+ Yards, 3+ TD, No ints...if the Pack & the Bears couldn't pick Brees, I'll have to see it to believe the Texans will. OUCH!
Saints Run for 125+ and at least a TD
Saints Sack Schaub at least twice
Saints Pick Schaub at least once

Texans throw for 230ish yards and 2 TD
Texans Run run for >100 yards and at least a TD
Texans Sack Brees at least once


Game is close early with both teams trading touchdowns and field goals, half time score is within 4 either way. Close but no cigar.

Saints pull away in second half, ending with final possession kneel downs.

Final Score: Saints 34 (+6), Texans 24(+9)