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srrono
09-20-2011, 10:12 PM
http://blog.houstontexans.com/2011/09/20/tracking-johnson-on-the-all-time-receiving-lists/

Every week, we’ll track Texans wide receiver Andre Johnson as he climbs the all-time receptions and receiving yardage charts in his ninth NFL season. This might be a year or two early, but I like history, so sue me.

Through two games in 2011, Johnson ranks 36th in NFL history in receptions (687) and 40th in receiving yards (9,352). The five-time Pro Bowler needs 80 receptions and 1,598 receiving yards to break into the top 25 all-time in both categories.

Stats and information in this post provided by the Texans’ public relations department.

MOST RECEPTIONS, NFL HISTORY
Rk Player Years Rec.
31 Andre Rison 1989-00 (12) 743
32 Donald Driver* 1999-11 (13) 703
33 Joey Galloway 1995-10 (16) 701
34 Gary Clark 1985-95 (11) 699
35 Terance Mathis 1990-02 (13) 689
36 Andre Johnson* 2003-11 (9) 687
37 Laveranues Coles 2000-09 (10) 674
*indicates active players

Notes: Johnson passed Coles for 36th all-time in Week 1. He was the second-fastest player in NFL history to 600 catches, reaching the milestone in 104th career game (Week 2 at Washington in 2010). Ravens receiver Anquan Boldin has since reached 600 receptions in fewer games, making Johnson third-fastest all-time.

MOST RECEIVING YARDS, NFL HISTORY
Rk Player Years Yds.
36 Drew Hill 1979-93 (14) 9,831
37 Donald Driver* 1999-11 (13) 9,666
38 Amani Toomer 1996-08 (13) 9,497
39 Rob Moore 1990-99 (10) 9,368
40 Andre Johnson* 2003-11 (9) 9,352
41 Raymond Berry 1955-67 (13) 9,275
*indicates active players

Notes: Johnson passed Berry for 40th all-time in Week 2. He was the sixth-fastest player in NFL history to 9,000 receiving yards, reaching the milestone in his 114th career game (Week 14 vs. Baltimore in 2010).

DocBar
09-20-2011, 11:02 PM
What's even more amazing is that he's accomplished this with 4 years of David Carr throwing the ball.

kiwitexansfan
09-20-2011, 11:25 PM
Interesting to see this on here today.

Yesterday I was puzzling over Johnson being the Texans first HOFer.

I know most of the people on here think he is a lock but I'm not sure. Looking at the names he is compared to in this article, its no lock.

If Chris Carter, Andre Reed and Tim Brown aren't in the hall why will AJ make it?

kiwitexansfan
09-20-2011, 11:26 PM
(Puts on flame retardant suit)

Carr Bombed
09-20-2011, 11:35 PM
Interesting to see this on here today.

Yesterday I was puzzling over Johnson being the Texans first HOFer.

I know most of the people on here think he is a lock but I'm not sure. Looking at the names he is compared to in this article, its no lock.

If Chris Carter, Andre Reed and Tim Brown aren't in the hall why will AJ make it?

Main reason...

Because those 3 WRs that you mentioned WILL ALL be in the hall one day :gun:...as will A.J. and Andre's story is still being written.

The only thing that hurts Andre is his T.D. totals...and that's the ONLY thing that's hurting him, but in the end that won't hurt him all that much. Because whoever from Houston is arguing his case to the voters (whether that be McClain or whoever) they'll be able to make the case that unlike those other 3 guys, Andre Johnson never played with a "elite" QB who could really "put it on him". Andre gets the same red zone catches those guys do. What he's lacking is the big bomb T.D.s He's off to a good start this season with his T.D. totals, so hopefully he'll finally get his "double digit" TD season.

eriadoc
09-21-2011, 01:18 AM
Interesting to see this on here today.

Yesterday I was puzzling over Johnson being the Texans first HOFer.

I know most of the people on here think he is a lock but I'm not sure. Looking at the names he is compared to in this article, its no lock.

If Chris Carter, Andre Reed and Tim Brown aren't in the hall why will AJ make it?

Those other guys were never considered one of the best two or three WRs for a five year stretch. They were considered very prolific receivers, but that's not exactly the same. I think Reed was the most highly regarded of that list during his playing days, despite the insanely high reception totals that Cris Carter put up. And Tim Brown was always highly regarded, and was one of the most consistent WRs ever, but I don't think he gets much run as the best WR of his era.

Part of all that is probably because Rice was outplaying all of them, LOL.

eriadoc
09-21-2011, 01:28 AM
The only thing that hurts Andre is his T.D. totals...and that's the ONLY thing that's hurting him, but in the end that won't hurt him all that much.

I'll be honest - his TD totals bug the crap out of me. Part of the problem is the lack of a QB for a while, a wasted 2005 season when he was never thrown the ball more than 7 yards from the LOS, and the schemes in which he's played. He also seemed to lead the league in catches to the 1-yd line for a few seasons there, LOL. But mostly, people like to compare him to Jerry Rice, and all I can think of every time I hear that is Jerry Rice catching some little slant or drag, making a couple people miss, and taking it to the house ..... over and over and over again. Rice didn't really play in a vertical offense either, but he made TDs out of plays that very few receivers do today, not even AJ. And now, AJ does play in a more vertical offense than he used to.

And the thing is, I always hated Rice, in the impersonal way that you hate a really good player. I want AJ to be the next Jerry Rice. But it's just not going to happen. But as this team enters what should be its prime window of opportunity, I would at least like to see AJ notch a few seasons fo double digit TDs.

None of this diminishes my esteem for AJ. He is my all time favorite WR for sure. He is to the WR position what Earl was to the RB position. Sure, you can argue that Jim Brown was greater, but I'm just not hearing it. I'm pretty close to that place with AJ vs. Rice. It's just hard to ignore those numbers by Rice.

DocBar
09-21-2011, 01:33 AM
WR is a pretty hard position to call for the HOF.

Texn4life
09-21-2011, 01:37 AM
I'll be honest - his TD totals bug the crap out of me. Part of the problem is the lack of a QB for a while, a wasted 2005 season when he was never thrown the ball more than 7 yards from the LOS, and the schemes in which he's played. He also seemed to lead the league in catches to the 1-yd line for a few seasons there, LOL. But mostly, people like to compare him to Jerry Rice, and all I can think of every time I hear that is Jerry Rice catching some little slant or drag, making a couple people miss, and taking it to the house ..... over and over and over again. Rice didn't really play in a vertical offense either, but he made TDs out of plays that very few receivers do today, not even AJ. And now, AJ does play in a more vertical offense than he used to.

And the thing is, I always hated Rice, in the impersonal way that you hate a really good player. I want AJ to be the next Jerry Rice. But it's just not going to happen. But as this team enters what should be its prime window of opportunity, I would at least like to see AJ notch a few seasons fo double digit TDs.

None of this diminishes my esteem for AJ. He is my all time favorite WR for sure. He is to the WR position what Earl was to the RB position. Sure, you can argue that Jim Brown was greater, but I'm just not hearing it. I'm pretty close to that place with AJ vs. Rice. It's just hard to ignore those numbers by Rice.

There area so many factors that you can't ignore with Rice vs. Andre as well. Rice played in an offense that was almost ahead of its time surrounded by weapons all over the place.

I agree that Andre should have more touchdowns at this point in his career based on the numbers he's put up, but I think he'll accumulate those as his career progresses. Both TO and Moss put up high TD numbers later in their career. I think AJ can do the same.

kiwitexansfan
09-21-2011, 01:45 AM
Brown was a great ST player too.

Reed was a key piece in 4 Superbowl teams.

AJ can't claim either.

eriadoc
09-21-2011, 02:06 AM
I agree that Andre should have more touchdowns at this point in his career based on the numbers he's put up, but I think he'll accumulate those as his career progresses. Both TO and Moss put up high TD numbers later in their career. I think AJ can do the same.

AJ has played 8 seasons. He had 50 receiving TDs through those 8 seasons. I'm not looking at this year yet.

Rice as the obvious standard bearer had 103 TDs through 8 seasons. That's just ..... wow.

Randy Moss had 98 TDs in his first 8 years. TO had 81 receiving TDs. Marvin Harrison is a bad example, but will be considered to have played in roughly the same era, and had 83 TDs his first 8 seasons. Largent had 60 TDs back in the late 70s and early 80s in his first 8 seasons. Fitzgerald has only played 7 years and has 65 TDs. Roddy White and Calvin Johnson already have 38 and 37, respectively, and they've played much shorter careers.

AJ is going to be judged against these guys. And he has the edge in many areas, especially in yards per game. But as the game continues to turn into a video game and the stats go right along with it, you have to wonder if that will cause a few voters to withhold their votes.

At the end of the day, it's all about playoff performances, though. If the Texans win a SB and he plays well, he's an absolute lock. He's almost a lock as it is.

Texn4life
09-21-2011, 02:33 AM
AJ has played 8 seasons. He had 50 receiving TDs through those 8 seasons. I'm not looking at this year yet.

Rice as the obvious standard bearer had 103 TDs through 8 seasons. That's just ..... wow.

Randy Moss had 98 TDs in his first 8 years. TO had 81 receiving TDs. Marvin Harrison is a bad example, but will be considered to have played in roughly the same era, and had 83 TDs his first 8 seasons. Largent had 60 TDs back in the late 70s and early 80s in his first 8 seasons. Fitzgerald has only played 7 years and has 65 TDs. Roddy White and Calvin Johnson already have 38 and 37, respectively, and they've played much shorter careers.

AJ is going to be judged against these guys. And he has the edge in many areas, especially in yards per game. But as the game continues to turn into a video game and the stats go right along with it, you have to wonder if that will cause a few voters to withhold their votes.

At the end of the day, it's all about playoff performances, though. If the Texans win a SB and he plays well, he's an absolute lock. He's almost a lock as it is.


I agree with you completely. Its the ONLY knock anyone can throw out there about him right now. But if he can get to 100+ touchdowns then I believe he'll had a really good chance to reach Canton. Unfortunately no one will have sympathy because we had David Carr throwing to him early in his career. If we get to the playoffs and have continued success for the rest of his career then those really good chances become great.

50 TD's over the next 4 years isn't out of the question if we give him opportunities. I know he hasn't had a double digit TD season yet in his career but I have a hard time believing that will continue to be the case.

kiwitexansfan
09-21-2011, 04:45 AM
My concern in the era of stat inflation is that numbers alone won't cut it.

ObsiWan
09-21-2011, 05:33 AM
Interesting to see this on here today.

Yesterday I was puzzling over Johnson being the Texans first HOFer.

I know most of the people on here think he is a lock but I'm not sure. Looking at the names he is compared to in this article, its no lock.

If Chris Carter, Andre Reed and Tim Brown aren't in the hall why will AJ make it?

(Puts on flame retardant suit)

No need for the suit. I'm STILL wondering why the HoF selection folks are so anti-WR.

DocBar
09-21-2011, 05:53 AM
No need for the suit. I'm STILL wondering why the HoF selection folks are so anti-WR.See kiwi's post above. A lot of it is because many HoF voters see that position as having inflated stats in a pass happy era of the game.

eriadoc
09-21-2011, 02:07 PM
My concern in the era of stat inflation is that numbers alone won't cut it.

That actually plays into AJ's hands, IMO. He's one of the few WRs that transcends the stats. People watch AJ play and they know beyond the shadow of a doubt that he's better than his stats. But there's no doubt, he needs the playoff performances to seal the deal.

TheCD
09-21-2011, 02:41 PM
My case for him to be in the hall of fame would be simple (if the stats hold true as they do now):

1. Andre retires as the all-time leader in reception yards per game.

2. Andre retires with the most 10+ catch/100+ yard games of any WR.

3. I show film of Andre being the best run-blocking WR of his era.


and finally, call it homer-ism, but:

4. I show the video of Andre bowling over three LB/S in our loss to the Cardinals. - This, to me, shows that Andre was the best all-around WR of his era. Fitzgerald makes some insane catches, but how is his blocking? Can he run through defenders lining him up for a killshot?

I think Andre's biggest knock so far is that he hasn't had a chance to shine on a big stage. Didn't O.J. only go to the playoffs once or twice? I know he was a stat-machine, but surely there's hall of fame players out there that are in for more than just stats.

kiwitexansfan
09-21-2011, 02:46 PM
Pro Johnson angles:

- AJ was the most iconic player on his team.

- He was considered the best wideout in the league for a number of years.

- No character issues.

- Stats are as good as anyone for catches, yards and yrds/game.

- Had WOW moments.

Playoffs
09-21-2011, 03:12 PM
Top Fives

Receptions
1. Jerry Rice+ 1,549
2. Marvin Harrison 1,102
3. Cris Carter 1,101
4. Tim Brown 1,094
5. Tony Gonzalez(34) 1,081

Yards
1. Jerry Rice+ 22,895
2. Terrell Owens(37) 15,934
3. Isaac Bruce 15,208
4. Tim Brown 14,934
5. Randy Moss(33) 14,858

Touchdowns
1. Jerry Rice+ 197
2. Randy Moss(33) 153
2. Terrell Owens(37) 153
4. Cris Carter 130
5. Marvin Harrison 128

infantrycak
09-21-2011, 03:30 PM
AJ - 117 games, 687 receptions, 9352 yards, 52 TD's
Rice - 303 games, 1549 receptions, 22895 yards, 197 TD's

AJ projected over 303 games - 1779 receptions, 24219 yards, 135 TD's.

And to think he spent four years without a QB. What would his numbers look like if he had played with Schaub his whole career?

Double Barrel
09-21-2011, 03:51 PM
If Chris Carter, Andre Reed and Tim Brown aren't in the hall why will AJ make it?

It's a travesty that those players are not in the HoF. Like Rush being ignored by the Rock and Roll HoF, some mentalities I just don't understand.

I think AJ deserves to be in the HoF, but as indicated above, WRs are judged differently than other positions.

Amazing thing about AJ the person is that he could have left the Texans and signed with any of the 31 teams. Can you imagine his game with Manning or Brady? Almost a sure-fire lock for induction, but instead, he's remained loyal to the team that drafted him and remains dedicated to the cause. It will honestly break my heart as an AJ fan if this team doesn't make some serious noise in multiple playoff appearances.

kiwitexansfan
09-21-2011, 04:04 PM
Top Fives

Receptions
1. Jerry Rice+ 1,549
2. Marvin Harrison 1,102
3. Cris Carter 1,101
4. Tim Brown 1,094
5. Tony Gonzalez(34) 1,081

Yards
1. Jerry Rice+ 22,895
2. Terrell Owens(37) 15,934
3. Isaac Bruce 15,208
4. Tim Brown 14,934
5. Randy Moss(33) 14,858

Touchdowns
1. Jerry Rice+ 197
2. Randy Moss(33) 153
2. Terrell Owens(37) 153
4. Cris Carter 130
5. Marvin Harrison 128

Aside from Rice, which of these guys are locks for the Hall?

Gonzalez.....
Moss.....

infantrycak
09-21-2011, 04:05 PM
It's a travesty that those players are not in the HoF. Like Rush being ignored by the Rock and Roll HoF, some mentalities I just don't understand.

Rush not being in is definitely a travesty. But to the inquiry - Cris Carter should be in IMO as well as Tim Brown although I do see why they have had to wait. I mean if it is Emmitt Smith or Deion Sanders to get the spot then yeah either gets bumped. Reed I don't know. Just for example in 16 years in the league he never led the league in a single WR category. AJ in 8 seasons has done it 7 times. For comparison Carter had 3 in 16 years, Brown 1 in 17 years.

Blake
09-21-2011, 04:09 PM
(Puts on flame retardant suit)

:bat:

Double Barrel
09-21-2011, 04:26 PM
Rush not being in is definitely a travesty. But to the inquiry - Cris Carter should be in IMO as well as Tim Brown although I do see why they have had to wait. I mean if it is Emmitt Smith or Deion Sanders to get the spot then yeah either gets bumped. Reed I don't know. Just for example in 16 years in the league he never led the league in a single WR category. AJ in 8 seasons has done it 7 times. For comparison Carter had 3 in 16 years, Brown 1 in 17 years.

yeah, I tend to agree. I think Carter and Brown just stick out, and those are the ones that seem like a lock. Reed...'eh...not a sure fire thing.

I think Carter and Brown will definitely get in at some point. I just hope that it's within their lifetimes.

And looking at induction classes, I'm not sure of anyone that I'd delay entry for either WR, so part of the delay is understandable with a limited amount of entries each year.

Vinny
09-21-2011, 05:17 PM
Rush isn't in the RR HOF? That's laughable. Why have one when Run D.M.C (http://rockhall.com/inductees/run_dmc/) is in it and Rush isn't? that ain't right...

AJ is a sure fire HOF'er. I remember watching him dominate in camp and telling this to infantrycak at practice many moons ago. :boogie: His all around game is just too dominant. It is suicide to not double him. He's a game changer. The only thing he lacks is being a great runner after the catch. I'd call him a "tough runner", but not a great runner. He's the Herschel Walker of WR's. Straight line beast, not much wiggle. That is a small part of why he doesn't have elite TD numbers. The other parts are playing with DC and an expansion team for so many years.

infantrycak
09-21-2011, 05:59 PM
Rush isn't in the RR HOF? That's laughable.

Incredible isn't it when talent wise each of THE ONLY THREE OF THEM deserves the recognition. I mean Pert is my hands down number one but Geddy is in a top ten discussion and Lifeson in at a top twenty discussion.


I remember watching him dominate in camp and telling this to infantrycak at practice many moons ago. :boogie: His all around game is just too dominant. It is suicide to not double him. He's a game changer. The only thing he lacks is being a great runner after the catch. I'd call him a "tough runner", but not a great runner. He's the Herschel Walker of WR's. Straight line beast, not much wiggle. That is a small part of why he doesn't have elite TD numbers. The other parts are playing with DC and an expansion team for so many years.

I remember that as well and agree. He trucks better than he wiggles. I have only ever had one other nit and that was not attacking back to the ball at times - one aggressive step to shield the ball. But absolutely one of the most dominant WR's to ever play the game and will end up in Canton. I think it is funny watching play breakdowns where someone else gets the ball and they show how much coverage is pulled to AJ - and then he still often goes on to average more per game than anyone else.

kiwitexansfan
09-21-2011, 10:12 PM
Who is Rush??

Do they have any famous songs?

Maybe that is why they are not in the HOF, no rockers have never heard of them?

nytexan
09-21-2011, 10:27 PM
AJ - 117 games, 687 receptions, 9352 yards, 52 TD's
Rice - 303 games, 1549 receptions, 22895 yards, 197 TD's

AJ projected over 303 games - 1779 receptions, 24219 yards, 135 TD's.

And to think he spent four years without a QB. What would his numbers look like if he had played with Schaub his whole career?

Much less Montana and Young for most of your career. Not to take anything from Rice, he truly was amazing. That's a telling stat on AJ though, he has to play another 12 years to total up 303. Think that'll happen???

As for Rush they never were in it for the limelight or the big money they were just a working man's band. As any new world man would know you can't see the forest for all the trees in the subdivision. They rocked baby.

DocBar
09-21-2011, 10:36 PM
Much less Montana and Young for most of your career. Not to take anything from Rice, he truly was amazing. That's a telling stat on AJ though, he has to play another 12 years to total up 303. Think that'll happen???AJ might not need 303 games with the way the passing game is going these days.

BTW, Rice's last few of years in the league weren't with the 49er's. He played with da Raiders and Seahawks.
Jerry Rice (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RiceJe00.htm)
Andre Johnson (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnAn02.htm)
The TD's are still AJ's biggest deficiency on the stat sheet.

nytexan
09-21-2011, 10:41 PM
AJ might not need 303 games with the way the passing game is going these days.

BTW, Rice's last few of years in the league weren't with the 49er's. He played with da Raiders and Seahawks.

Yes you're correct but his greatest years were with the 49'ers and his main QB's in that era were Montana and Young (both HOF'ers and even if they weren't they were better than DC), by the way I wasn't dissing AJ.

DocBar
09-21-2011, 10:48 PM
Yes you're correct but his greatest years were with the 49'ers and his main QB's in that era were Montana and Young (both HOF'ers and even if they weren't they were better than DC), by the way I wasn't dissing AJ.I didn't think you were dissing AJ. I've talked to many "footbal"" fans that really did think Rice played his entire career at SF. I wasn't dissing you, either btw. :D

Double Barrel
09-22-2011, 11:45 AM
Who is Rush??

Do they have any famous songs?

Maybe that is why they are not in the HOF, no rockers have never heard of them?

Kidding, right?.....right?? :mcnugget:

As for Rush they never were in it for the limelight or the big money they were just a working man's band. As any new world man would know you can't see the forest for all the trees in the subdivision. They rocked baby.

That's awesome :thumbup

"Rush possesses 24 gold records and 14 platinum (3 multi-platinum) records. Rush's sales statistics place them third behind The Beatles and The Rolling Stones for the most consecutive gold or platinum studio albums by a rock band." - Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_(band))

If people have never heard of Rush, they are idio...errrr....not paying attention. :winky:

[/off topic]

As far as AJ and the HoF, we fans think it's a no-brainer. However, perception by those that vote is what really matters, and two factors that really concern me is the other great WRs ahead of him that are not in, and he's a Houston Texans, a team that has been a perpetual expansion franchise for almost a decade.

kiwitexansfan
09-22-2011, 03:45 PM
Kidding, right?.....right?? :mcnugget:



Wrong. Googled them, listened to some of there songs, nope, nada, nothing.

79th best selling act in US music history.

Double Barrel
09-22-2011, 04:34 PM
Wrong. Googled them, listened to some of there songs, nope, nada, nothing.

79th best selling act in US music history.

hmmmm, not even Tom Sawyer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7DFsBcVMDA)?

My apologies for thinking that you might have been kidding, as your statement "no rockers have never heard of them" was a bit alien to me. :tiphat:

infantrycak
09-22-2011, 04:39 PM
Who is Rush??

Do they have any famous songs?

Maybe that is why they are not in the HOF, no rockers have never heard of them?

Wrong. Googled them, listened to some of there songs, nope, nada, nothing.

79th best selling act in US music history.

Wow. OK everyone has stylistic choices on what they like for music but there is no disputing the musicianship of all three members of Rush. You would be hard pressed to find any serious drummer who doesn't consider Neil Peart the best drummer of all time (well other than Neil because he is like AJ in that regard). Geddy Lee runs incredibly complex bass lines while singing and sometimes while playing a keyboard with his feet. Seven times he has been named best rock bassist by guitar magazines.

kiwitexansfan
09-22-2011, 07:44 PM
I grew up on Hip Hop and Rap I'm afraid, with a side order of 50s and 60s.

infantrycak
09-22-2011, 07:53 PM
I grew up on Hip Hop and Rap I'm afraid, with a side order of 50s and 60s.

Do you play an instrument? Don't listen to Rush for whether you like the songs per se. Listen to the technical skill. Even if it isn't your style I think you will find yourself judging other drummers particularly but also bassists and guitarists in comparison. Listen to how seamlessly they change cadence within a song. Nobody writes more contemplative and vocabulary rich lyrics (which turns off some people).

DocBar
09-22-2011, 08:11 PM
I grew up on Hip Hop and Rap I'm afraid, with a side order of 50s and 60s.So you are musically challenged, is that what you're saying? :D

Do you play an instrument? Don't listen to Rush for whether you like the songs per se. Listen to the technical skill. Even if it isn't your style I think you will find yourself judging other drummers particularly but also bassists and guitarists in comparison. Listen to how seamlessly they change cadence within a song. Nobody writes more contemplative and vocabulary rich lyrics (which turns off some people). He said rap and hip-hop. He can play a record player and spit in his hand with a rythm. :kitten:

eriadoc
09-22-2011, 08:11 PM
I grew up on Hip Hop and Rap I'm afraid, with a side order of 50s and 60s.

Then when you say:


.... no rockers have never heard of them?

.... it means nothing.

infantrycak
09-22-2011, 08:20 PM
Then when you say:

.... it means nothing.

Yeah - no offense kiwi, but there was recently a documentary on Rush and it was amazing the breadth of musicians who came out and gave tributes to them as their inspiration. I think it was called Rush - Beyond the Lighted Stage.

kiwitexansfan
09-22-2011, 10:05 PM
Then when you say:




.... it means nothing.

Non rockers I think I meant.

I'll check them out, I like songs with substance, not baby baby love you rubbish.

Khari
09-22-2011, 11:58 PM
Rush isn't in the RR HOF? That's laughable. Why have one when Run D.M.C (http://rockhall.com/inductees/run_dmc/) is in it and Rush isn't? that ain't right...


rush is awfulz...:boogie:

Lucky
09-23-2011, 01:02 AM
rush is awfulz...:boogie:
There seems to be a disconnect between the 30somethings and the 40somethings on Rush. They were the "it" band when I was growing up in the 70s. Saw them many times, the first at the Sam Houston Coliseum, which was demolished and now the location of the Hobby Center.

ArlingtonTexan
09-23-2011, 01:24 AM
Non rockers I think I meant.

I'll check them out, I like songs with substance, not baby baby love you rubbish.

rush is awfulz...:boogie:

There seems to be a disconnect between the 30somethings and the 40somethings on Rush. They were the "it" band when I was growing up in the 70s. Saw them many times, the first at the Sam Houston Coliseum, which was demolished and now the location of the Hobby Center.

I would argue that Rush was an acquired type band because it was technically superior band with lead singer who has a distintive, but too high pitched voice and lyrics that were not always easy to follow. I know plenty of rock guys/gals around my age who can't stand them.

Speaking of gals, I am not sure that I have ever run across a woman who a huge rush fan (past they are ok). Besides what's above those dudes were dorky, unhandsome and did not exactly sing "chick" songs. That's my stereotype for the week.

Edit: me and the Mrs. have been attempting to see many bands of our era when they tour (barely got REM in) and Rush keeps getting pushed down the list because she doea not think she can sit through a whole show even though she likes a couple of songs by them.

Vinny
09-23-2011, 01:49 AM
I would argue that Rush was an acquired type band because it was technically superior band with lead singer who has a distintive, but too high pitched voice and lyrics that were not always easy to follow. I know plenty of rock guys/gals around my age who can't stand them.

Speaking of gals, I am not sure that I have ever run across a woman who a huge rush fan (past they are ok). Besides what's above those dudes were dorky, unhandsome and did not exactly sing "chick" songs. That's my stereotype for the week.

Edit: me and the Mrs. have been attempting to see many bands of our era when they tour (barely got REM in) and Rush keeps getting pushed down the list because she doea not think she can sit through a whole show even though she likes a couple of songs by them.ya gotta go. I first heard their music...then I was later shocked to find out it was only 3 guys who produced all that sound. It's pretty amazing stuff. /thread stolen by Rush

run-david-run
09-23-2011, 02:03 AM
Brown was a great ST player too.

Reed was a key piece in 4 Superbowl teams.

AJ can't claim either.

But he can claim a few pieces of history. Right now, he has the highest yard per game average in the NFL, ever. That's ridiculous.
He also set a record a couple years back with 4 or 5 straight 10+ catch, 100+ yard games, and he and Jerry Rice are the only WRs to have back to back 1500 yard season (AJ would have had 3 if not for the ankle last year.)

Not to mention, with how rounded of a receiver he is, he could easily play into his mid or even late 30s, if injuries don't get to him.

kiwitexansfan
09-23-2011, 02:34 AM
But he can claim a few pieces of history. Right now, he has the highest yard per game average in the NFL, ever. That's ridiculous.
He also set a record a couple years back with 4 or 5 straight 10+ catch, 100+ yard games, and he and Jerry Rice are the only WRs to have back to back 1500 yard season (AJ would have had 3 if not for the ankle last year.)

Not to mention, with how rounded of a receiver he is, he could easily play into his mid or even late 30s, if injuries don't get to him.

At the end of his career, unless he retires in his prime that ypg stat will come back to the pack, so I wouldn't hold onto that too tight.

Vinny
09-23-2011, 02:48 AM
At the end of his career, unless he retires in his prime that ypg stat will come back to the pack, so I wouldn't hold onto that too tight.
you can't just look at raw stats to figure out who game changing players are. AJ tilts the entire field to him, he's a dynamic blocker and he is a physical presence every single snap. Stats are for baseball. Stats get guys like Art Monk in when he really wasn't a game changer....he just accumulated a bunch of stats.

SteveSlaton20
09-23-2011, 03:36 AM
AJ - 117 games, 687 receptions, 9352 yards, 52 TD's
Rice - 303 games, 1549 receptions, 22895 yards, 197 TD's

AJ projected over 303 games - 1779 receptions, 24219 yards, 135 TD's.

And to think he spent four years without a QB. What would his numbers look like if he had played with Schaub his whole career?

no way andre will that productions because it'll start to go down in a few years. but i do agree if he had a good qb like schaub for his entire career, his stats would be a lot better, but it is what it is.

HOUFan
09-23-2011, 09:23 AM
Is it too early to start the blueprint for the Andre Johnson statue outside Reliant? I'm thinking this should be put up the day after his retirement.

Double Barrel
09-23-2011, 11:03 AM
Speaking of gals, I am not sure that I have ever run across a woman who a huge rush fan (past they are ok). Besides what's above those dudes were dorky, unhandsome and did not exactly sing "chick" songs. That's my stereotype for the week.

That's interesting, because I know three women whose favorite band is Rush. Of course, I'm from a hard rock/metal background, so that's the crowd I've been around for decades.

You should do yourself a HUGE favor and go see them live. Not only will you be surprised by the number of females in the crowd, but Neil Peart's drum solo is worth the price of the ticket. :htown2atx:

Is it too early to start the blueprint for the Andre Johnson statue outside Reliant? I'm thinking this should be put up the day after his retirement.

I know corporate money dominates, but I'd just as soon see the stadium's name changed to Andre Johnson Stadium the day he retires. :winky: