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rmartin65
09-19-2011, 10:37 AM
With the news of the sudden move by Syracuse and Pitt to join the ACC, I think we are seeing the birth of the super-conferences. How do you think it all goes down?

I have 4 super conferences forming (ACC, Big 10, Pac 12 and SEC) and 3 Minor Conferences (WAC/MWC, MAC, Sun Belt/CUSA), all with 16 teams, split into 2 divisions of 8. New teams are in italics.

ACC

North
Boston College
Connecticut
Maryland
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech

South
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami (FL)
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Wake Forest


Big 10

East
Cincinnati
Indiana
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue

West
Illinois
Iowa
Iowa State
Minnesota
Missouri
Nebraska
Northwestern
Wisconsin


PAC-12

East
California
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Washington
Washington State

West
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Utah

SEC
East
Alabama
Auburn
East Carolina
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
South Florida
West Virginia

West
Arkansas
Kentucky
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Tennessee
Texas A&M
Vanderbilt

WAC/MWC

East
Air Force
BYU
Colorado State
New Mexico
New Mexico State
TCU
Utah State
Wyoming

West
Boise State
Fresno State
Hawaii
Idaho
Nevada
San Diego State
San Jose State
UNLV

Sun Belt/C-USA

East
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Memphis
Southern Mississippi
Troy
Tulane
UAB
UCF

West
Baylor
Houston
Kansas
Kansas State
Rice
Southern Methodist
Tulsa
UTEP

MAC

East
Akron
Army
Buffalo
Kent State
Navy
Marshall
Ohio
Temple

West
Ball State
Bowling Green
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Northern Illinois
Miami (OH)
Toledo
Western Michigan

Leftovers
Arkansas State
Louisiana-Lafayette
Louisiana-Monroe
Middle Tennessee
North Texas
Western Kentucky

Dutchrudder
09-19-2011, 10:56 AM
I know the rumors are out there, but I don't think Tech will end up in the Pac-12/16. The school is just too horrible at academics for them to dilute their conference. I would expect either Kansas or BYU to take that last spot over them.

Rick_Moon
09-19-2011, 11:30 AM
Is it possible to join 2 conferences? For example, Notre Dame is independent in football (I know that's not a conference) but I believe that they are in the Big East for other sports. Is it possible for Texas to join the Pac-12 for football, and the ACC for basketball? Other sports could join either or, but I'm mainly focused on football and basketball in this post. The football program would go against some good competition in the Pac-12, and the ACC would be the most dominant basketball conference in college.

So, is it possible? If not, I wouldn't mind UT going to the ACC.

Stemp
09-19-2011, 01:11 PM
I know the rumors are out there, but I don't think Tech will end up in the Pac-12/16. The school is just too horrible at academics for them to dilute their conference. I would expect either Kansas or BYU to take that last spot over them.

Texas is insisting they come along for the ride. They know that Tech will be indebted to them, they can use them as an excuse or ally for political reasons and they need a strong alliance in the West coast centric conference. Same reason OU is bringing along OSU.

Football is driving these changes, which is why Kansas is an also-ran in this discussion.

Dutchrudder
09-19-2011, 03:24 PM
Texas is insisting they come along for the ride. They know that Tech will be indebted to them, they can use them as an excuse or ally for political reasons and they need a strong alliance in the West coast centric conference. Same reason OU is bringing along OSU.

Football is driving these changes, which is why Kansas is an also-ran in this discussion.

It may be worth it for the Pac if they can get Texas, but I don't see why Texas would care about where Tech lands. Academically, Tech is one of the worst schools in all of the BCS conferences. I can't imagine schools like Stanford and Cal would want such a terrible institution in their conference. OSU, OU, BYU and Texas would be the jackpot for the Pac12.

Blake
09-19-2011, 04:40 PM
As a Texas fan, I would rather go to the PAC16 than the ACC. Seems like there are better teams.

ArlingtonTexan
09-19-2011, 05:45 PM
I am adding something to make sure everyone knows this is a mock to the titlt.

MojoMan
09-19-2011, 06:19 PM
As a Texas fan, I would rather go to the PAC16 than the ACC. Seems like there are better teams.

Same here. I am excited about this move.

Also, the culture of The University of Texas is very much a western culture, with a mix of California fruits and nuts, Northwest trees and grunge, Arizona dessert and Colorado cool. The ACC is East Coast. That is just not who we are. Same thing with the Southern culture of the SEC or the Midwest culture of the Big 10 (B1G). Texas will fit in great with the schools in the PAC 16. And the proposed pod system helps sustain key regional rivalry games, such as UT vs OU.

I am really pleased with what is being proposed here. Although it is obviously not finished until it is finished.

I hope they get it done. Its all good.

TexansSeminole
09-19-2011, 06:24 PM
How can the ACC be considered a super conference in football with it's current lineup? The ACC adds a whipping boy in Syracuse and an average program in Pittsburgh. Adding UCONN would do nothing for the league either, atleast football wise.

MojoMan
09-19-2011, 06:29 PM
How can the ACC be considered a super conference in football with it's current lineup? The ACC adds a whipping boy in Syracuse and an average program in Pittsburgh. Adding UCONN would do nothing for the league either, atleast football wise.

If they lose Miami or Florida State to the SEC, that will make it even worse. Needless to say, both of these schools would be natural fits in the SEC. It could happen.

MojoMan
09-19-2011, 06:31 PM
Since this is the conference realignment speculation thread....

Report: Big East, Big 12 discuss merger (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6993604/big-east-big-12-talking-possible-merger-report-says)

NEW YORK -- A person involved in the discussions tells The Associated Press that school and conference officials from the Big East and Big 12 have been discussing ways to merge what's left of the two leagues if Texas and Oklahoma leave the Big 12.

The person, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk publicly about what is going on behind the scenes, said Monday there has been dialogue between athletic directors and high-level officials in the conference offices.

Syracuse and Pittsburgh have announced they will be leaving the Big East for the Atlantic Coast Conference.

Texas and Oklahoma are both trying to decide whether to leave the Big 12 for the Pac-12, taking Oklahoma State and Texas Tech with them.

MojoMan
09-19-2011, 06:33 PM
And then there is this:

OU, Texas authorized to act on Pac-12 (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6992952/regents-oklahoma-sooners-texas-longhorns-ok-presidents-act-pac-12)

The University of Oklahoma's board of regents and their counterparts at Texas granted their school presidents the authority to take action regarding conference realignment on Monday.

The moves clear the way for the Sooners and Longhorns to apply formally to the Pac-12, with whom they have been undergoing discussions in recent days on how to make the schools' addition to the conference work.

On Sunday, those talks were still a long way from the point at which Pac-12 leadership would be comfortable recommending the move to the league's presidents, a source told ESPN.com's Andy Katz. The proposed expansion would include fellow Big 12 schools Oklahoma State and Texas Tech.

"There has been a great deal of movement around the country and press reports around the country concerning conference realignment,'' school president William Powers told the Texas board. "We believe that it would be very helpful if the campus and I, and along the terms that were discussed earlier with consultation the chancellor and the chairman of the board and others, be able to explore options and have the authority to make decision with respect to this including continued participation in the Big 12."

....

One step closer....

But then again, Mack Brown weighs in with some profound words of wisdom (from the same article):

Texas coach Mack Brown shared the apparent skepticism of an overwhelming majority of fans throughout Big 12 country when he said the best interests of players should be duly considered in any decisions on conference alignment.

According to the results of a poll released Monday that was commissioned by Baylor and conducted by KRC Research, college football fans prefer traditional rivalries and regional conferences over super-conferences.

According to the poll over the weekend of 1,500 college graduates within Big 12 states, 76 percent of fans said they would be disappointed by the creation of super-conferences.

Brown turned impassioned in the Big 12's weekly conference call with the league's head coaches and media. "As much as we talk about money," Brown said, "as much as we talk about college football, as much as we talk about realignment, as much as we talk about great games, playoffs and all that stuff, we better go back and make sure that we're taking care of the players and that the players and the high school coaches are always considered in the equation.

"Because if not, we're not going to have a game, and they're the ones that are playing. And, for parents to travel all the way across the country is going to put a bigger burden on them."

ArlingtonTexan
09-19-2011, 06:35 PM
How can the ACC be considered a super conference in football with it's current lineup? The ACC adds a whipping boy in Syracuse and an average program in Pittsburgh. Adding UCONN would do nothing for the league either, atleast football wise.

In this case, being the clear best basketball conference and a viable football conference will be enough. Also, not letting the SEC or the Big 10-twelve think it cherry pick its members is also valuable.

GlassHalfFull
09-19-2011, 06:38 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/kbohls


kbohls kbohls
No small point. UT prez Bill Powers has authority to stay in Big 12, but cannot take action on own to change conferences; regents keep that.
30 minutes ago
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kbohls kbohls
Didn't get to ask UT prez Powers how Big 12 could still be viable. He took zero questions, ducked into elevator and left. To Pac12, I guess.


Bold is interesting

Dutchrudder
09-19-2011, 06:45 PM
Couple of things to point out from this article regarding the musical chairs.

Big East exit fees are only $5 million per school.
Should the ACC vote to accept Pittsburgh and Syracuse, Big East bylaws call for a $5 million exit fee — a veritable pittance in today’s climate of billion-dollar television deals — as well as an advanced notice of 27 months. Such a timeline would technically mean neither school would be contractually permitted to leave until the 2014-2015 academic year; technically, that would also mean next to nothing in this day and age as both sides could make concessions — i.e. “enhanced” financial considerations in exchange for an accelerated time frame for an exit — that would expedite the process.

When this domino falls — and, yes, we’re saying when and not if — it will trigger what will likely become the most seismic shift to the conference landscape in the game’s history.

Nobody from the ACC is going anywhere, even to the SEC.
Of course, the fact that the ACC is suddenly a very proactive conference could also serve as protection against potential poaching from another league. Well, that and the news the conference recently and unanimously approved a bump in exit fees — from roughly $12 million to the current figure of $20 million — means that the league is interested in keeping their current membership intact as well as adding to their current roll.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/17/acc-to-vote-on-expansion-sunday-as-total-apocalypse-looms/

pbat488
09-19-2011, 06:50 PM
interesting read that is important to all this realignment going on.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+nyt/rss/Sports+%28NYT+%3E+Sports%29&seid=auto&smid=tw-nytimessports

MojoMan
09-19-2011, 07:31 PM
interesting read that is important to all this realignment going on.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+nyt/rss/Sports+%28NYT+%3E+Sports%29&seid=auto&smid=tw-nytimessports

The optimal name for the conference currently tagged to be the PAC 16 would be the Western Athletic Conference. Unfortunately, that name is currently taken. However, with the weakness of the WAC and the rapid change in conference alignment now going on in College Football, that name could possibly become available sooner rather than later.

Dutchrudder
09-19-2011, 11:06 PM
The thing that gets me out of all of this is the fact that Syracuse and Pitt's move to the ACC came out of nowhere. They weren't making a big deal about it, or whining about the Big East the whole time like A&M was. They actually look smart and competent in this move, a stark contrast to the way A&M handled their mess, and they aren't even in the SEC yet.

Dan B.
09-20-2011, 02:07 AM
The thing that gets me out of all of this is the fact that Syracuse and Pitt's move to the ACC came out of nowhere. They weren't making a big deal about it, or whining about the Big East the whole time like A&M was. They actually look smart and competent in this move, a stark contrast to the way A&M handled their mess, and they aren't even in the SEC yet.

Wish I could rep ya you T-sip

brakos82
09-20-2011, 02:53 AM
And Baylor has sued this thread. LOL

Hookem Horns
09-20-2011, 03:07 AM
Same here. I am excited about this move.

Also, the culture of The University of Texas is very much a western culture, with a mix of California fruits and nuts, Northwest trees and grunge, Arizona dessert and Colorado cool. The ACC is East Coast. That is just not who we are. Same thing with the Southern culture of the SEC or the Midwest culture of the Big 10 (B1G). Texas will fit in great with the schools in the PAC 16. And the proposed pod system helps sustain key regional rivalry games, such as UT vs OU.

I am really pleased with what is being proposed here. Although it is obviously not finished until it is finished.

I hope they get it done. Its all good.

I never thought about it that way however I see some of that. Austin does have a little bit of a California vibe and we know there are a bunch of them here.

The same can be said about A&M. They have the whole hick/redneck thing going on and that fits in with the SEC. That wasn't meant as an insult either, I am part redneck myself and love to crank up some Kevin Fowler (btw, want to go to an Aggy convention? Go to a Kevin Fowler concert, they are out in full force at his shows, even the ones in Austin). I also root for the Aggies when they are not playing us and I have family in Splendora. ;)

MojoMan
09-20-2011, 06:11 AM
I never thought about it that way however I see some of that. Austin does have a little bit of a California vibe and we know there are a bunch of them here.

The same can be said about A&M. They have the whole hick/redneck thing going on and that fits in with the SEC. That wasn't meant as an insult either, I am part redneck myself and love to crank up some Kevin Fowler (btw, want to go to an Aggy convention? Go to a Kevin Fowler concert, they are out in full force at his shows, even the ones in Austin). I also root for the Aggies when they are not playing us and I have family in Splendora. ;)

I completely agree. Texas A&M is very Southern and not so much Western. More of a Robert E. Lee and Lynyrd Skynyrd type flavor. The SEC is culturally a great fit for the Ags. If Texas had gone SEC, it would have made for some great football, but I fear that UT would have been a bit of a cultural outsider. Or maybe UT would have regarded much of the rest of the SEC as cultural outsiders. Perhaps that is a better way to put it. And I think that is part of the reason we have never seen the SEC given serious consideration by UT in all this.

Señor Stan
09-20-2011, 09:20 AM
Billboard in Waco...

http://alcalde.texasexes.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/billboard.jpg

Dan B.
09-20-2011, 11:04 AM
Billboard in Waco...

http://alcalde.texasexes.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/billboard.jpg

Shouldn't that read "Thou shalt not covet they neighbor's TV Deal?"

Playoffs
09-20-2011, 11:38 AM
^Well, if we're going to cast in religious metaphors I think Nebraska and A&M get the role of Judas.

I don't find the PAC a cultural fit for Texans or UT. Outside of Highland Park & the 40 acres, we don't value the things they do on the left coast. Culturally, Texas fits more in middle America or the Deep South.

Instead of driving to Waco or College Station, Billy Bob's parents have to fly to L.A. now. And I can promise you, Billy's Dad was planning on never having to walk amongst those people in Cali-forn-i-a in his lifetime. Halloween once a year is more than enough for him.

I hate these outcomes and think we, UT, shot ourselves in the foot.

Dutchrudder
09-20-2011, 11:42 AM
Shouldn't that read "Thou shalt not covet they neighbor's TV Deal?"

A&M didn't go out of their way to prevent the LHN from being created nor are they trying to sabotage it, but Baylor is trying to block A&M from going to the SEC. Big difference.

Stemp
09-20-2011, 12:57 PM
I honestly believe that when this all shakes out, OU and OSU will be the PAC 14, Texas and Tech will be in a reconstituted Big 12 with the remnants of the Big East (including WV) and A&M and Mizzou will be in the SEC.

Why? Because OU/OSU wants to forge their own path and reports are that the Okie higher-ups are tired of the shenanigans of Texas. Texas wants to keep the LHN as is, and not change or remove any branding. Plus, in the Big 12, they are still the big dog and can push around all the other schools who are just happy to still be in an AQ conference. Mizzou doesn't want to be left without a spot and the SEC is their 2nd choice to a Big 10 offer, ahead of staying in a precarious Big 12. WV will miss out on SEC but is a big enough program to make the move with the rest of the Big east teams . This would also allow Baylor to keep is AQ status and money and not sue the SEC.

Now, I will qualify by saying that Mizzou and WV may switch positions with Mizzou staying and WV going SEC, but from what I'm hearing Mizzou is the more desirable choice and assuming the Big 10 offer doesn't appear, that is what will happen.

Dan B.
09-20-2011, 02:18 PM
A&M didn't go out of their way to prevent the LHN from being created nor are they trying to sabotage it, but Baylor is trying to block A&M from going to the SEC. Big difference.

You don't have to sabotage something to covet it. You don't sense a bit of envy from the A&M camp?

Blake
09-20-2011, 02:45 PM
I honestly believe that when this all shakes out, OU and OSU will be the PAC 14, Texas and Tech will be in a reconstituted Big 12 with the remnants of the Big East (including WV) and A&M and Mizzou will be in the SEC.

Why? Because OU/OSU wants to forge their own path and reports are that the Okie higher-ups are tired of the shenanigans of Texas. Texas wants to keep the LHN as is, and not change or remove any branding. Plus, in the Big 12, they are still the big dog and can push around all the other schools who are just happy to still be in an AQ conference. Mizzou doesn't want to be left without a spot and the SEC is their 2nd choice to a Big 10 offer, ahead of staying in a precarious Big 12. WV will miss out on SEC but is a big enough program to make the move with the rest of the Big east teams . This would also allow Baylor to keep is AQ status and money and not sue the SEC.

Now, I will qualify by saying that Mizzou and WV may switch positions with Mizzou staying and WV going SEC, but from what I'm hearing Mizzou is the more desirable choice and assuming the Big 10 offer doesn't appear, that is what will happen.

Whatever happens, I hope its settled soon. Tired of hearing about the conflicting reports and yip yap from everywhere.

Dutchrudder
09-20-2011, 02:52 PM
You don't have to sabotage something to covet it. You don't sense a bit of envy from the A&M camp?

Kind of, but I don't know if it's so much about the LHN as it is the 300 million. I think A&M wants to make more money, and they didn't have an avenue available to do that in the Big 12's current structure, so they want to go to the SEC where they will be guaranteed 20+ million a year from the conference. That's what Nebraska and Colorado did too, and I don't blame any other school that wants to do the same - OU, OSU, Mizzou.

The LHN was a huge cashgrab for UT and nobody else in the conference could match that deal, rather they would likely struggle to sustain their own network. Very few schools in the country could make their own network anyways, so that's why every other major conference has gone the route of shared revenues and conference networks. Why let Ohio State bring in 10-15 mill a year on its own when you can create the BTN and get every school 8 million a year? A&M doesn't want to be another doormat in the Big 12 like the Baylors are so eager to do, but rather join a conference that shares the revenues and increases everyone's bottom lines.

rmartin65
09-20-2011, 02:58 PM
Missouri to the SEC?

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Report-Missouri-has-an-offer-from-the-SEC-1436.html

West Virginia rejected by ACC and SEC?
http://www.wvmetronews.com/wvu.cfm?func=displayfullstory&storyid=47954

Looks like I missed a bit.

Blake
09-20-2011, 03:14 PM
It will never happen, but I think it would be cool if A&M changes their mind, and the BIG12 poaches Miami, FL and Florida State.

Or A&M leaves, BIG12 poaches TCU, Florida State and invites Notre Dame.

Option 1 would give them alot of TV sets in Florida, and option 2 would give them some TV sets in Florida, and Notre Dames following.

BYU would also be an option.

MojoMan
09-20-2011, 07:55 PM
Oklahoma appears to be rethinking its move to the PAC-12.

If Oklahoma goes to the PAC-12, then the chain reaction begins at schools across the country. If Oklahoma can be induced to stay in the Big 12, all of this can still be stopped right now.


Report: Oklahoma wants Big 12 reform (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6997737/oklahoma-consider-staying-big-12-wants-reform-according-report)

If the University of Oklahoma is to stay in the Big 12, it will do so only if the conference adds regulations on ESPN's Longhorn Network and ousts commissioner Dan Beebe, according to a report in The Oklahoman Tuesday. The Oklahoman, citing a high-ranking Big 12 official, reported Oklahoma president David Boren said Monday the school would decide between applying for the Pac-12 or staying in the Big 12. The source stressed that reforms would be necessary for Oklahoma to remain in the Big 12.

If the University of Oklahoma is to stay in the Big 12, it will do so only if the conference adds regulations on ESPN's Longhorn Network and ousts commissioner Dan Beebe, according to a report in The Oklahoman Tuesday. The Oklahoman, citing a high-ranking Big 12 official, reported Oklahoma president David Boren said Monday the school would decide between applying for the Pac-12 or staying in the Big 12. The source stressed that reforms would be necessary for Oklahoma to remain in the Big 12. The source told the Oklahoman that a move by Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the Pac-12 wasn't inevitable.

The University of Oklahoma's board of regents and its counterpart at Texas granted their school presidents Monday the authority to take action regarding conference realignment. The moves clear the way for the Sooners and Longhorns to apply formally to the Pac-12, with whom they have been undergoing discussions in recent days on how to make the schools' addition to the conference work. After the regents meeting had adjourned, Boren admitted he's had "very warm and constructive discussions" with Pac-12 officials, but wouldn't say when the Sooners might apply for conference membership.

The Kansas City Star, citing a University of Missouri booster as its source, said that the Tigers have an invitation to join the Southeastern Conference and that the SEC is willing to wait for the Big 12 issues to be resolved before making a final decision. "Apparently [the SEC has] come to us," the Missouri booster said, according to the Star. "I've been told there is an offer on the table."

Playoffs
09-20-2011, 08:12 PM
Musical chairs.

XI CMURDER IX
09-20-2011, 10:19 PM
Shouldn't that read "Thou shalt not covet they neighbor's TV Deal?"

You can't covet what you can't see :vincepalm:

BattleRedToro
09-20-2011, 10:38 PM
^Well, if we're going to cast in religious metaphors I think Nebraska and A&M get the role of Judas.

You've got your religious metaphors mixed up. UT would be Judas, because they sold out the Big XII for $300 million.:money:

ArlingtonTexan
09-21-2011, 12:17 AM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Pac12-decides-not-to-expandfor-now.html

Below is the league's release in its entirety:

In light of the widespread speculation about potential scenarios for Conference re-alignment, the Pac-12 Presidents and Chancellors have affirmed their decision to remain a 12-team conference. Pac-12 Commissioner Larry Scott said, “after careful review we have determined that it is in the best interests of our member institutions, student-athletes and fans to remain a 12-team conference. While we have great respect for all of the institutions that have contacted us, and certain expansion proposals were financially attractive, we have a strong conference structure and culture of equality that we are committed to preserve. With new landmark TV agreements and plans to launch our innovative television networks, we are going to focus solely on these great assets, our strong heritage and the bright future in front of us.

ArlingtonTexan
09-21-2011, 12:20 AM
Oklahoma appears to be rethinking its move to the PAC-12.

If Oklahoma goes to the PAC-12, then the chain reaction begins at schools across the country. If Oklahoma can be induced to stay in the Big 12, all of this can still be stopped right now.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Pac12-decides-not-to-expandfor-now.html

Below is the league's release in its entirety:

In light of the widespread speculation about potential scenarios for Conference re-alignment, the Pac-12 Presidents and Chancellors have affirmed their decision to remain a 12-team conference. Pac-12 Commissioner Larry Scott said, “after careful review we have determined that it is in the best interests of our member institutions, student-athletes and fans to remain a 12-team conference. While we have great respect for all of the institutions that have contacted us, and certain expansion proposals were financially attractive, we have a strong conference structure and culture of equality that we are committed to preserve. With new landmark TV agreements and plans to launch our innovative television networks, we are going to focus solely on these great assets, our strong heritage and the bright future in front of us.

For me at least, this translates into, "We could not work out the nuts and bolts business aspects of the deal"

Hookem Horns
09-21-2011, 01:34 AM
The problem with all of this is no one is in charge of the whole thing. It's basically a free for all in college sports.

The entire system is the most screwed up thing I have ever seen in sports. If the onfield product wasn't so good the rest of the crap would have turned everyone off by now.

Here is just some of the "crap" I can think of ..

No playoffs, teams going undefeated and having no shot at winning a championship, too many lopsided matchups early in the season, teams changing their entire uniform look each week (and atrocious at that), teams playing on blue fields, large networks creating networks for just one school creating more imbalance within conferences, schools then jumping conferences, conferences imploding, etc etc etc ..

All I have to say is thank gawd for Sunday.

Blake
09-21-2011, 08:09 AM
Oklahoma appears to be rethinking its move to the PAC-12.

If Oklahoma goes to the PAC-12, then the chain reaction begins at schools across the country. If Oklahoma can be induced to stay in the Big 12, all of this can still be stopped right now.

AKA the PAC12 said no thanks.

MojoMan
09-21-2011, 09:00 AM
It appears the LHN may have been the deal killer. From ESPN:

Source: Pac-12 lacked Texas assurance (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6998751/pac-12-conference-decides-expand-further)

The Pac-12 decided it won't expand further late Tuesday because commissioner Larry Scott failed to get assurance that Texas would back an equal revenue sharing plan if the league added the Longhorns, Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State, a source with direct knowledge told ESPN.com.

Scott didn't endorse expansion to the league's presidents and chancellors, the source said.

The presidents never took a vote on the four Big 12 schools and the four schools didn't formally apply for inclusion either, the source said. The Pac-12 member presidents were on a conference call Tuesday night and reaffirmed the decision to stay at 12 members.

....

Doppelganger
09-21-2011, 09:36 AM
BIG XII is currently 8 and needs to expand 4 more to get back to 12 with Missouri apparently on its way out. Here is what I would do:

1. Invite Airforce to get back into the Colorado market and Colorado recruiting
2. Invite South Florida to get back into the Florida market
3. Invite Louisville.
4. Invite BYU

I would reorganize the two divisions to re-balance them:

North: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Louisville
South: Texas, Baylor, Texas Tech, Air Force, South Florida, BYU

This move separates Oklahoma and Texas into 2 divisions. They would still play each other in the RRR, but now that they are in separate divisions, and could meet in a rematch the BIG XII championship game if they are the best 2 teams in the conference.

GlassHalfFull
09-21-2011, 09:36 AM
OU just got screwed. The Big 12-2-1 lives to be dysfunctional for another year. I just hope this clears our way to the SEC. Hoping for an announcement soon.

rmartin65
09-21-2011, 09:40 AM
BIG XII is currently 8 and needs to expand 4 more to get back to 12 with Missouri apparently on its way out. Here is what I would do:

1. Invite Airforce to get back into the Colorado market and Colorado recruiting
2. Invite South Florida to get back into the Florida market
3. Invite Louisville.
4. Invite BYU

I would reorganize the two divisions to re-balance them:

North: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Louisville
South: Texas, Baylor, Texas Tech, Air Force, South Florida, BYU

This move separates Oklahoma and Texas into 2 divisions. They would still play each other in the RRR, but now that they are in separate divisions, and could meet in a rematch the BIG XII championship game if they are the best 2 teams in the conference.

No way man. South Florida? Way out of the Big 12 zone. Louisville sucks hard. BYU and Air Force are good additions, but would BYU come?

TCU would be a better fit (and a better program) than USF. And Houston or SMU, even Tulsa would be preferable to Louisville.

GlassHalfFull
09-21-2011, 09:43 AM
BIG XII is currently 8 and needs to expand 4 more to get back to 12 with Missouri apparently on its way out. Here is what I would do:

1. Invite Airforce to get back into the Colorado market and Colorado recruiting
2. Invite South Florida to get back into the Florida market
3. Invite Louisville.
4. Invite BYU

I would reorganize the two divisions to re-balance them:

North: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Louisville
South: Texas, Baylor, Texas Tech, Air Force, South Florida, BYU

This move separates Oklahoma and Texas into 2 divisions. They would still play each other in the RRR, but now that they are in separate divisions, and could meet in a rematch the BIG XII championship game if they are the best 2 teams in the conference.

My math has them at 9.

I think they will try and find a replacement for A&M and stick with 10 for this year. I don't see many schools jumping to join the dysfunctional conference.

Doppelganger
09-21-2011, 09:56 AM
No way man. South Florida? Way out of the Big 12 zone. Louisville sucks hard. BYU and Air Force are good additions, but would BYU come?

TCU would be a better fit (and a better program) than USF. And Houston or SMU, even Tulsa would be preferable to Louisville.

South Florida brings in the Florida market for both recruiting and audience. South Florida games are available in Miami, Orlando, etc. It would allow the Big XII to get a foothold in Florida.

Louisville brings in a decent market, but maybe a better option like West Virginia is available?

What I don't like about TCU, or UH is that it doesn't bring in any new markets to the BIG XII. Houston and Dallas already get plenty of BIG XII coverage. BIG XII needs to expand into new ones.

Doppelganger
09-21-2011, 10:00 AM
My math has them at 9.

I think they will try and find a replacement for A&M and stick with 10 for this year. I don't see many schools jumping to join the dysfunctional conference.

BIG XII is officially at 9 but Missouri is rumored to be on the way to the SEC, which would make it 8. I think schools who are in the BIG East, who look like it may be in some trouble or some teams in non BCS schools would jump at the chance to play in a BCS conference.

GlassHalfFull
09-21-2011, 10:03 AM
BIG XII is officially at 9 but Missouri is rumored to be on the way to the SEC, which would make it 8. I think schools who are in the BIG East, who look like it may be in some trouble or some teams in non BCS schools would jump at the chance to play in a BCS conference.

We will see on Missouri. That buzz seems to mostly be coming from the Missouri side.

The SEC wants to avoid the poaching label, so I don't see them taking another Big 12-2-1 school this year.

Dutchrudder
09-21-2011, 10:25 AM
A&M, OSU, OU and Mizzou all go to the SEC, and let some of the Big East merge with the remainder of the Big 12. The Big 12 becomes Texas and the 11 dwarfs and the Longhorns get a BCS bowl every year. Everybody wins... kinda.

Stemp
09-21-2011, 10:25 AM
BYU has reportedly said "Thanks but no thanks" to moving to the Big 12.

Louisville seems to be the main target, but I think with all this drama they may have to dip into the non-AQ ranks to get 10, then stick with that for at least a year and prove the Big 12 won't get volatile again next summer.

Blake
09-21-2011, 10:40 AM
BYU has reportedly said "Thanks but no thanks" to moving to the Big 12.

Louisville seems to be the main target, but I think with all this drama they may have to dip into the non-AQ ranks to get 10, then stick with that for at least a year and prove the Big 12 won't get volatile again next summer.

Texas better go independent before bringing in a school like Louisville...

Doppelganger
09-21-2011, 10:51 AM
We will see on Missouri. That buzz seems to mostly be coming from the Missouri side.

The SEC wants to avoid the poaching label, so I don't see them taking another Big 12-2-1 school this year.

Hmm. ACC is at 14 when Pitt and Syracuse officially join, SEC is 13 with A&M, Pac 12 is 12, Big X is 12, Big East is 7 when Pitt and Syracuse leave/when TCU joins, and Big XII at the moment is 9.

I just can't see the Big East surviving with just 7 schools, so I would not be surprised if 3 or 4 of the Big East schools abandon ship and jump to the the Big XII. As is, they may not get another BCS invite, so Big XII may be only option.

At some point we will get to 16 team super conferences, but who will be the first to make a move? Pac 12 is ok with 12 teams when others have 13 or 14, but will feel pressure when another conference gets to 15 or 16. So my bet is the ACC will be the first to 16, and don't be surprised if West Virginia is #15 and ESPN buddy Texas as #16.

GlassHalfFull
09-21-2011, 11:49 AM
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c10x
09-21-2011, 12:23 PM
From OB:

I never thought I would mention these words but, in defense of OU, Scott flat out lied to Boren. He was told that they had the votes to take OU and OSU alone. Scott told Boren he really wanted Texas in the deal and they both tried to work on Texas. Scott felt that the threat of OU leaving would cause Texas to budge.

Texas was then told by Scott that he would take the LHN as is, that is when all the reports started coming out. The truth is, it was not a done deal at that time, the perimeters were just set. Texas still wasn't sure we wanted to move, but if the LHN was accepted as is, then we were moving forward with negotiations. The next morning Scott tells Texas that we would have to change the name and possibly add TTU to the network. Deal dead, conversation over. This was the second year in a row that Scott tried to change the deal in the 11th hour. In all likelihood, we are done with Scott for the foreseeable future.

So we told OU that if they were going they would have to go without us. OU didn't really want to do that but decided to weigh their options. The PAC 12 decides to get out in front of everything and issue a statement, thus making OU look horrible.

Texas considers OU an ally and we want to be in the same conference as them. I was told last night that we had to figure out a way to "...keep OU from having egg on their face...".

Concerning the ACC and other conferences. We never got further than perimeters with any of them. We gave them some perimeters we needed to meet and then told them we would get back in touch if we decided to move. The ACC and Big 10 were told that the Big 12 would likely stay together. We did not want to lead any potential partner on, so we left it at that. The reports that the ACC told Texas no were completely inaccurate. There was nothing to say no to.

I will say this, Texas and the Big 10 have an excellent relationship and we could work together if the right opportunity came up. This was not the right opportunity and did not fit anyone's timeline.

The Big 12 is likely to stay together, but is NOT a done deal. There are some serious issues to be addressed. We have the aggy issue to deal with even though we are content to let them go. We have an ally who has a bruised ego and we have several schools who are scared to death. Look for Texas to make some concessions, but the LHN will not be one of them.

We are willing to sign an iron clad 10 year agreement to stay in the Big 12 and help stabilize it. We are willing to share Tier I & II rights. There are some other concessions as well to make everyone feel better. However, much of it will be to save face. I have heard BYU is still likely to join once an agreement is in place.

Lastly, as Texas fans (or anyone reading this), it is important to realize that all of the spin against Texas is just that. We leave more money on the table to be in a conference than any school in this country. Texas accounts for the VAST majority of the revenue generated in this conference. We are a good partner and we do not force our will on everyone. We have vision for the future and sometimes others can't see it. For instance, we tried to get a Big 12 Network, but they couldn't see the future. We didn't want Bebee, but they couldn't see the future. Texas is the only reason these schools can make north of $15 million a year in TV revenue. So do not buy into the Evil Texas spin.

Ranger Tom
09-21-2011, 02:06 PM
Ohio State and Michigan generate more revenue than the other schools in their conference, yet Big Ten schools all get an equal cut.

Evil, evil Texas. Go independent already you bloodsuckers.

Blake
09-21-2011, 02:44 PM
Ohio State and Michigan generate more revenue than the other schools in their conference, yet Big Ten schools all get an equal cut.

Evil, evil Texas. Go independent already you bloodsuckers.

Funny coming from a Tech fan who's school's only chance of staying in an AQ conference is to be Texas' afterthought. I would think you would either want to do whatever it took to stay in the Big12, or move to another AQ conference with Texas. If Texas goes independent, you're ****ed.

GlassHalfFull
09-21-2011, 03:04 PM
From OB:

Lastly, as Texas fans (or anyone reading this), it is important to realize that all of the spin against Texas is just that. We leave more money on the table to be in a conference than any school in this country. Texas accounts for the VAST majority of the revenue generated in this conference. We are a good partner and we do not force our will on everyone. We have vision for the future and sometimes others can't see it. For instance, we tried to get a Big 12 Network, but they couldn't see the future. We didn't want Bebee, but they couldn't see the future. Texas is the only reason these schools can make north of $15 million a year in TV revenue. So do not buy into the Evil Texas spin.

:spin: :spin: :spin:

:vincepalm:

Doppelganger
09-21-2011, 04:51 PM
Oklahoma was not welcome in the Pac 12 without Texas. This pretty much shows that UT still runs the show and will continue to do so. I am sure they will make small concessions such as allow Beebee to be ousted and agree to show a pittance of Big XII programming, but the Big XII is pretty much run by Texas.

And the other schools can't do much about it. Oklahoma could theoretically go to the SEC, but it wouldn't make sense for them. The SEC is ridiculously loaded and they would never get an easy run there. They could go to the Big X, but the Big X is not expanding. I doubt they would go to the ACC unless Texas went there. Outside of Oklahoma, the rest of the teams not named Texas are pretty much SOL. Tech has to do everything in their power to kiss Texas' butt lest they end up like TCU or Houston. Baylor is about this close from becoming UH. OSU will do whatever OU says, if they can.

At this point, I think Texas allows Beebee to go, puts a pittance of Big XII programming on LHN, and kicks in a few million bucks and everyone quietens up. I think after this year, the Big XII will realize they need 12 teams to get that Big XII championship game and will get some teams.

eriadoc
09-21-2011, 05:22 PM
The optimal name for the conference currently tagged to be the PAC 16 would be the Western Athletic Conference. Unfortunately, that name is currently taken. However, with the weakness of the WAC and the rapid change in conference alignment now going on in College Football, that name could possibly become available sooner rather than later.

I kind of like just plain old Western Conference. Then everyone can call them the WC.

Dutchrudder
09-21-2011, 05:27 PM
I kind of like just plain old Western Conference. Then everyone can call them the WC.

Like the "Wrecking Crew"? Wrecking Crew! Wrecking Crew! Wrecking Crew!

Doppelganger
09-21-2011, 06:16 PM
I kind of like just plain old Western Conference. Then everyone can call them the WC.

Rep for Water Closet joke!!!

LonerATO
09-21-2011, 09:09 PM
^Well, if we're going to cast in religious metaphors I think Nebraska and A&M get the role of Judas.

I don't find the PAC a cultural fit for Texans or UT. Outside of Highland Park & the 40 acres, we don't value the things they do on the left coast. Culturally, Texas fits more in middle America or the Deep South.

Instead of driving to Waco or College Station, Billy Bob's parents have to fly to L.A. now. And I can promise you, Billy's Dad was planning on never having to walk amongst those people in Cali-forn-i-a in his lifetime. Halloween once a year is more than enough for him.

I hate these outcomes and think we, UT, shot ourselves in the foot.

Isn't that like Alabama or Mississipi? I don't consider Texas to part of the south. I know Texas fought for the CSA, but that was a bad idea, just ask Sam Houston.

ArlingtonTexan
09-21-2011, 09:25 PM
Isn't that like Alabama or Mississipi? I don't consider Texas to part of the south. I know Texas fought for the CSA, but that was a bad idea, just ask Sam Houston.

Honestly, one of the problems here is that Texas is really its own place versus truly Western or Southern. In the most perect world, The Southwest Conference was and could still be dominated by Texas teams. Way too bad blood and bad politics for that.

SAMURAITEXAN
09-21-2011, 09:49 PM
PAC-12

East
California
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Washington
Washington State

West
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Utah


I think PAC 12 East and West is other way around right?

Blake
09-22-2011, 08:32 AM
PAC-12

East
California
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Washington
Washington State

West
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Utah


I think PAC 12 East and West is other way around right?

Negative Ghostrider, the pattern is full.

Doppelganger
09-22-2011, 03:57 PM
Isn't that like Alabama or Mississipi? I don't consider Texas to part of the south. I know Texas fought for the CSA, but that was a bad idea, just ask Sam Houston.

I don't either. Texas is Texas. It is not part of the North, South, East, West, or Midwest. It is Texas.

Eastern Texas has a southern influence. Southern Texas has a Mexican influence. West Texas has a western influence. North Texas has a Midwest influence. Put a Western, Mexican, Southern, and Midwestern into a blender add you get Texas. Proud independent streak, good solid values, friendly nature, and desire to persevere its culture and heritage. There is no state in the US like Texas and no region that attends to all of these tenets.

Texas is not a southern state, Texas is a Texas state.

MojoMan
09-22-2011, 04:36 PM
I don't either. Texas is Texas. It is not part of the North, South, East, West, or Midwest. It is Texas.

Eastern Texas has a southern influence. Southern Texas has a Mexican influence. West Texas has a western influence. North Texas has a Midwest influence. Put a Western, Mexican, Southern, and Midwestern into a blender add you get Texas. Proud independent streak, good solid values, friendly nature, and desire to persevere its culture and heritage. There is no state in the US like Texas and no region that attends to all of these tenets.

Texas is not a southern state, Texas is a Texas state.

And then there is Austin, where the University of Texas resides. You could take UT (or the city of Austin) and drop it right into any medium sized city in California and no one there would hardly blink an eye, at least as far as the culture of the place is concerned. Culturally, it would fit right in.

Not so with A&M. There would be much alarm and consternation at such an unwelcome development. They would be wide-eyed with disbelief. But drop A&M into the middle of Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia or Tennessee, and it would fit right in. Just saying.

Dutchrudder
09-22-2011, 06:07 PM
Ok, this is funny.

In an odd twist, there is speculation out there that Texas may be OUT as a member of the Big XII. The Longhorn Network that Texas has with ESPN and does not want to share revenue with any conference members has reached a boiling point with remaining members. The Longhorn network also kept Texas and others from jumping to the PAC-12.

It is a sobering moment for Texas who thought it was now in a power position within the Big 12. Now Texas finds itself as a potential independent with its own television deal, much like Notre Dame. The talk could also move the Longhorns to rethink their ‘no sharing’ policy to stay in the Big XII, or to move into the PAC-12.

The Big XII has a 6:45 CST press conference scheduled where several administrators and coaches are expected to make statements. Hold on to your hats!!

It is getting hard to determine what is fact, what is fiction, and what is just brainstorming at this point.
http://cardsandcats.com/2011/09/22/texas-kicked-out-of-big-xii/

OSU pres has authority to move conferences:

STILLWATER, Okla. (AP) -- Oklahoma State's governing board has granted university president Burns Hargis the power to move the school's teams to a different conference.

Hargis says Wednesday's move was important even after the Pac-12 was taken off the table as a potential destination because "there are a lot of moving parts here and we may have to make decisions fast." He says it's important to have the power in hand rather than waiting 48 hours to hold a regents meeting.

Hargis says his "first priority" is to stabilize the Big 12 and remain in that conference, but he rejected the notion that Oklahoma State's current home is its only option.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/09/21/oklahoma-state-big-12.ap/index.html#ixzz1Yio6MTZJ


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/09/21/oklahoma-state-big-12.ap/index.html?sct=cf_t2_a9

MojoMan
09-22-2011, 06:34 PM
Ok, this is funny.

http://cardsandcats.com/2011/09/22/texas-kicked-out-of-big-xii/

OSU pres has authority to move conferences:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/09/21/oklahoma-state-big-12.ap/index.html?sct=cf_t2_a9

I would not be surprised if this is true at all. The LHN is about as appealing to other schools as a fart in a diver's helmet. If Texas wants to keep the LHN (Note: I am a Texas alum), then they need to go independent. If they want to be a member of one of the major conferences, the LHN has got to go. It is as simple as that.

pbat488
09-22-2011, 07:08 PM
beebe tendered his resignation according to reports today, so a commish with actual vision and leadership skills will be coming in which should be good for remaining schools.


a texas ex who is fed up with dodds sent me this link today; says he hates all the "we're texas" bull and just wants those in charge to swallow their pride and work things out.


http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0922-dufresne-college-football-20110922-11,0,6872008.column

Stemp
09-23-2011, 02:00 AM
And then there is Austin, where the University of Texas resides. You could take UT (or the city of Austin) and drop it right into any medium sized city in California and no one there would hardly blink an eye, at least as far as the culture of the place is concerned. Culturally, it would fit right in.

Not so with A&M. There would be much alarm and consternation at such an unwelcome development. They would be wide-eyed with disbelief. But drop A&M into the middle of Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia or Tennessee, and it would fit right in. Just saying.

Running thought during the possible A&M to PAC 10 last year:
"Can you imagine the Texas A&M Corps of Cadets marching through Berkeley into the stadium?

MojoMan
09-23-2011, 06:55 AM
Running thought during the possible A&M to PAC 10 last year:
"Can you imagine the Texas A&M Corps of Cadets marching through Berkeley into the stadium?

LOL. That's exactly what I am talking about.

But I suspect the UT Hellraisers would be received with quite a bit of amusement.

BattleRedToro
09-23-2011, 08:04 AM
And then there is Austin, where the University of Texas resides. You could take UT (or the city of Austin) and drop it right into any medium sized city in California and no one there would hardly blink an eye, at least as far as the culture of the place is concerned. Culturally, it would fit right in.

Not so with A&M. There would be much alarm and consternation at such an unwelcome development. They would be wide-eyed with disbelief. But drop A&M into the middle of Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia or Tennessee, and it would fit right in. Just saying.

There are parts of California culturally similar to College Station. The inland rural cities along US 99 like Bakersfield are a cultural contrast to the coastal cities along US 101 like San Francisco.

MojoMan
09-23-2011, 08:24 AM
There are parts of California culturally similar to College Station. The inland rural cities along US 99 like Bakersfield are a cultural contrast to the coastal cities along US 101 like San Francisco.

But there is nothing like Texas A&M in California. And I suspect that most Californians, even in Bakersfield (I have been to Bakersfield), would be greatly surprised to wake up one morning and find such an institution in their midst.

The SEC will be a great fit for the Aggies. It is a smart move for them to go there.

Blake
09-23-2011, 08:53 AM
Lets get one thing straight. Austin is not California, and College Station is not Alabama. The are both about as 'Texas' as it gets.

If yall want to try and fit each community in some strange mold to make conference realignment sound like a good idea then go for it. There is a reason Texas is almost considered its own country.

Doppelganger
09-23-2011, 01:06 PM
So, it looks like Missouii will stick around, at least for now.

So here is what the Big XII-3 looks like now:
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Missouri

I say, the new Big XII commish should bring in three schools to get back to 12. With 12 schools, they have a couple of options:

1. Pods.
3 pods of 4 teams. Each team in the pod would play each of the other members every year. (3 games) Then based on where you finished the previous year, you get those similar teams in the other 2 pods. I.E. if you finished 1st, you get three games against the 2 teams that finished first (kinda like the NFL). (2 games). The remaining 3 conference games would be a random team from the other 2 pods. 4 conference games would be played. 2 best records go to the Big XII championship game.

Divisions
If the above is too cumbersome, there can be 2 six team divisions. Each time plays 5 games against every team in their division and then gets three random games. Best two records go to the Big XII Championship game.

So who would I invite to get back to 12?

First thing I would say, is each team needs a "buddy team." A buddy team would serve to be a school nearby that they could form a rivalry with.

So here is how it would currently look:

Oklahoma-Oklahoma State
Texas Tech-Baylor
Kansas-Kansas State
Iowa State-Missouri

In a perfect world Notre Dame. But we know Notre Dame isn't coming. SO here are realistic options:

10. BYU. Gives the Big XII Salt Lake City and more expansion. A solid program that brings money and quality of play into the Big XII.

11. Colorado State. I know a lot of people have talked about Air Force, but CSU is a better option. It has quality academics and a reasonable football program. It brings in the Denver/Colorado market plus gives BYU its buddy.

12. TCU. It just makes too much sense. Texas can build up a great rivalry with TCU and it brings a cachet of being a relevant power in the last decade.

So how would the pods look?

Pod 1:Texas, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor
Pod 2:Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, BYU, Colorado State
Pod 3: Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Missouri.

How about the two division?

Division 1:Texas, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State
Division 2: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, BYU, Colorado State, Iowa State, Missouri

BattleRedToro
09-23-2011, 01:49 PM
So, it looks like Missouii will stick around, at least for now.

So here is what the Big XII-3 looks like now:
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Missouri

I say, the new Big XII commish should bring in three schools to get back to 12. With 12 schools, they have a couple of options:

1. Pods.
3 pods of 4 teams. Each team in the pod would play each of the other members every year. (3 games) Then based on where you finished the previous year, you get those similar teams in the other 2 pods. I.E. if you finished 1st, you get three games against the 2 teams that finished first (kinda like the NFL). (2 games). The remaining 3 conference games would be a random team from the other 2 pods. 4 conference games would be played. 2 best records go to the Big XII championship game.

Divisions
If the above is too cumbersome, there can be 2 six team divisions. Each time plays 5 games against every team in their division and then gets three random games. Best two records go to the Big XII Championship game.

So who would I invite to get back to 12?

First thing I would say, is each team needs a "buddy team." A buddy team would serve to be a school nearby that they could form a rivalry with.

So here is how it would currently look:

Oklahoma-Oklahoma State
Texas Tech-Baylor
Kansas-Kansas State
Iowa State-Missouri

In a perfect world Notre Dame. But we know Notre Dame isn't coming. SO here are realistic options:

10. BYU. Gives the Big XII Salt Lake City and more expansion. A solid program that brings money and quality of play into the Big XII.

11. Colorado State. I know a lot of people have talked about Air Force, but CSU is a better option. It has quality academics and a reasonable football program. It brings in the Denver/Colorado market plus gives BYU its buddy.

12. TCU. It just makes too much sense. Texas can build up a great rivalry with TCU and it brings a cachet of being a relevant power in the last decade.

So how would the pods look?

Pod 1:Texas, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor
Pod 2:Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, BYU, Colorado State
Pod 3: Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Missouri.

How about the two division?

Division 1:Texas, TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State
Division 2: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, BYU, Colorado State, Iowa State, Missouri

Did you fail geography?

If the Big XII goes back to 2 divisions of 6, don't you think they will split the divisions geographically like they did before?

How could Kansas and Kansas State be in the South, with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in the North?

BattleRedToro
09-23-2011, 01:55 PM
But there is nothing like Texas A&M in California. And I suspect that most Californians, even in Bakersfield (I have been to Bakersfield), would be greatly surprised to wake up one morning and find such an institution in their midst.

The SEC will be a great fit for the Aggies. It is a smart move for them to go there.

You are correct. There is nothing like Texas A&M among the universities in California, but that is because all of the major universities in California are along the coast.

Doppelganger
09-23-2011, 02:20 PM
Did you fail geography?

If the Big XII goes back to 2 divisions of 6, don't you think they will split the divisions geographically like they did before?

How could Kansas and Kansas State be in the South, with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in the North?

Nope. I didn't fail geography.

While considering geography, the Big XII wants to balance the two divisions.
If you notice I did not call the divisions, North/South, they are 1 and 2. Moving OU away from UT was done to promote division balance. Having 1 division of UT, TCU, OSU, and Oklahoma, is unnecessarily unfair. For years Texas, OU, OSU, Tech were 9-10 win teams and had to fight amongst amonsgst themselves for the South. Usually an undefeated or 1 loss Texas/OU would emerge. In the North Nebraska or COlorado would emerge with 3 or 4 losses to meet in the Big XII Championship game. THAT was an unbalanced conference.

BattleRedToro
09-23-2011, 02:30 PM
Nope. I didn't fail geography.

While considering geography, the Big XII wants to balance the two divisions.
If you notice I did not call the divisions, North/South, they are 1 and 2. Moving OU away from UT was done to promote division balance. Having 1 division of UT, TCU, OSU, and Oklahoma, is unnecessarily unfair. For years Texas, OU, OSU, Tech were 9-10 win teams and had to fight amongst amonsgst themselves for the South. Usually an undefeated or 1 loss Texas/OU would emerge. In the North Nebraska or COlorado would emerge with 3 or 4 losses to meet in the Big XII Championship game. THAT was an unbalanced conference.

I noticed that you labeled them 1 and 2. My point was the conference will likely use geography like they did before to split the conference into 2 divisions. And yes it was unbalanced. Perhaps they could split the conference East to West.

Blake
09-23-2011, 02:42 PM
I noticed that you labeled them 1 and 2. My point was the conference will likely use geography like they did before to split the conference into 2 divisions. And yes it was unbalanced. Perhaps they could split the conference East to West.

Why bother ourselves with cardinal direction. Lets pull a play from the Big10 and just call them whatever we want.

The BIG12 needs to suck it up and steal TCU, Houston and BYU.

____
Texas
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
BYU
Houston
____
Oklahoma
OK State
Missouri
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
____

Doppelganger
09-23-2011, 02:58 PM
Why bother ourselves with cardinal direction. Lets pull a play from the Big10 and just call them whatever we want.

The BIG12 needs to suck it up and steal TCU, Houston and BYU.

____
Texas
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
BYU
Houston
____
Oklahoma
OK State
Missouri
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
____

I just don't see the purpose of adding both UH and TCU to the Big XII. Only one is needed. The Big XII needs to expand its footprint and a school like CSU, West Virginia, Louisville do that. Houston and Dallas are already Big XII markets. Add one, but not both.

Doppelganger
09-23-2011, 03:01 PM
I noticed that you labeled them 1 and 2. My point was the conference will likely use geography like they did before to split the conference into 2 divisions. And yes it was unbalanced. Perhaps they could split the conference East to West.

The Big XII higherups were not thrilled with the unbalanced conferences. They wanted to have epic Big XII championship games but in most cases, the Big XII champ game was easier for UT/OU than many of their division games.

That's why i was initially thinking of pods since 4 team pods would be easier to balance and keep regional. Of course knowing the Big XII they may go the Big X route and have the Awesome and the Uber Cool divisions!

pbat488
09-23-2011, 08:17 PM
not sure if y'all have seen but there's a guy with a twitter who's fake dan beebe http://twitter.com/#!/DanBeebe... anyways, after the resignation became official last night this guy had a farewell message for the big 12...

THIS IS WHAT YOU *******S WANTED AND THIS IS WHAT YOU GET

DANNY DID NOTHING BUT HUSTLE FOR YOU BIG 12 AND THIS IS THE THANKS I GET, A FORCED RESIGNATION JUST SO OKLAHOMA WILL STOP BEING BUTTHOLES

SO LISTEN UP, AND LISTEN WELL

BAYLOR, YOU ARE A HORRIBLE LITTLE PUNK OF A SCHOOL WHO'S ONE CONGRESSMAN'S HEART ATTACK AWAY FROM BEING FORCED INTO D-II

COLORADO, I NEVER CARED ABOUT YOU AT ALL

IOWA STATE, HOLY MOTHER OF GOD, YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A DRAIN ON THE CONFERENCE AND ON MY SANITY. YOU ARE WORTHLESS. EVERYONE IS FLEEING YOU.

KANSAS, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE BIG EAST BY ALL DAMN MEANS DO SO, THEY LOVE SCHOOLS WITH GOOD BASKETBALL AND NO FOOTBALL PROGRAM WHATSOEVER

KANSAS STATE YOU ARE WORSE THAN KANSAS AT EVERYTHING, LITERALLY EVERYTHING

NEBRASKA YOU WOULD BE HAPPIER IN PRESCHOOL WHERE NOBODY HAS TO REALIZE THAT THEY'RE NOT SPECIAL LITTLE SNOWFLAKES THAT DESERVE CONSTANT HUGS

I HAVE NEVER BEEN HAPPIER THAN THE DAY NEBRASKA WEASELED OUT OF THE BIG 12 SO THEY COULD LET JIM DELANY TELL THEM HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE

TAYLOR MARTINEZ IS AIDS ON TWO FEET

BO PELINI HAS DEFINITELY KILLED A MAN BEFORE AND PROBABLY EATEN HIM, AND IF HE DIDN'T CARL DID

TOM OSBORNE PROBABLY DIED FIVE YEARS AGO AND NOBODY HAD THE HEART TO TELL HIM

OKLAHOMA, WHAT GALAXY DO YOU LIVE IN AND WHY CAN'T YOU GO PLAY SPORTS THERE INSTEAD. YOU ARE MORE OVERRATED THAN TAYLOR SWIFT'S AWFUL FACE

NOBODY CARES WHAT T. BOONE PICKENS HAS TO SAY ABOUT ANYTHING. OKLAHOMA STATE IS KANSAS STATE BUT FURTHER SOUTH IS ALL

TEXAS TECH YOU LISTENED TO THAT HOOKER-SLAUGHTERING CRETIN CRAIG JAMES OVER MIKE LEACH AND FOR THAT I HOPE THE EARTH SWALLOWS YOUR CAMPUS

TEXAS A&M, YOU ARE NEVER WINNING A TITLE IN THE SEC, NOT EVEN ONCE, AND AT LEAST 80% OF YOUR STUDENT BODY IS WEIRD

I MEAN TEXAS A&M STUDENTS ARE THE KIND OF WEIRD WHERE YOU DON'T LEAVE THEM IN THE SAME ROOM AS HOUSE PETS UNATTENDED

TEXAS A&M YELL LEADERS ARE BECAUSE AGGIE IS SCARED OF WOMEN SO CONGRATULATIONS FOR BRINGING SAUDI ARABIAN CULTURE TO AMERICA YOU INBREDS

RICK PERRY IS AN AGGIE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, HOW IS HE EVEN ALLOWED TO LIVE ALONE AND CUT HIS OWN MEAT MUCH LESS RUN FOR PRESIDENT

I WAS TRYING TO GO MOSTLY IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER BUT I FORGOT MISSOURI. IMAGINE THAT, SOMEONE FORGETTING ABOUT MISSOURI

MISSOURI THROWS MORE PANTIES THAN THE CROWD OF 8TH GRADERS AT A JONAS BROTHERS CONCERT AND YET NOBODY EVER PICKS THEM UP

AND TEXAS.

GOOD OLD TEXAS.

HEY DELOSS. ******* TEXAS AND ******* YOU.

I DID EVERYTHING IN MY EARTHLY POWERS TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE THE MOST WELL CARED FOR SCHOOL IN NCAA HISTORY, AND FOR WHAT

WHEN IT ALL WENT DOWN YOU WERE RIGHT THERE AT THE FRONT LINE WAITING TO ABANDON ME JUST LIKE THE REST OF THESE INGRATES

OKLAHOMA AND TEXAS A&M I CAN UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THEY'RE HORRIBLE LITTLE STEPCHILDREN, BUT YOU, TEXAS? YOU?

I WAS READY TO NAME MY TESTICLES HOOKEM AND HORNS FOR YOU AND MAKE "TEXAS WITH A DOLLAR SIGN" THE NEW BIG 12 REALITY

BUT IT WAS NEVER ENOUGH FOR YOU AWFUL, HORRIBLE GREEDY BRATS, WAS IT

TEXAS JUST HAD TO KEEP TAKING AND TAKING AND TAKING. I SHOULD HAVE DONE WHAT LARRY SCOTT DID AND TOLD YOU TO GO PLAY IN TRAFFIC INSTEAD

I HOPE A CLOUD OF PURE DIARRHEA OPENS UP OVER DKR AND FILLS THAT PLACE TO THE BRIM DURING YOUR NEXT GAME

I DON'T EVEN WANT TO SEE BURNT ORANGE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. IT LOOKS LIKE BABY POOP

TEXAS IS GOING TO BE LONELY FOREVER AND THAT'S STILL A FATE BETTER THAN IT DESERVES

NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR EYES. YOU STOLE THAT SONG FROM A CHILDRENS SONG RT @chisoxfan30: @DanBeebe the eyes of Texas are upon you. #hookem

THE EYES OF TEXAS ARE UPONNN YOUU... ALLLL THE LIVE LONG DAYYYYYY

YOU HAVE TO SING YOUR FIGHT SONG ALONG TO "I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE RAILROAD" AND YOU EXPECT ANYBODY TO TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY OF AUSTIN DID TO DESERVE HAVING SUCH A HORRIBLE BUNCH OF HYPER-PRIVILEGED BRATS OVERTAKE IT BUT IT CAN'T BE GOOD

CAN WE NUKE AUSTIN? IS THAT APPROPRIATE? IT'S PROBABLY APPROPRIATE

I'M OUT. I'M NEVER COMMISSIONERING ANOTHER CONFERENCE EVER AGAIN. COLLEGE SPORTS ARE TO COLLEGE WHAT GENITAL WARTS ARE TO GENITALS

ENJOY YOUR MISERABLE LITTLE CONFERENCE, "BIG 12." I HOPE YOU FAIL. I'M OUT. GOODBYE.

Dutchrudder
09-23-2011, 09:16 PM
RICK PERRY IS AN AGGIE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, HOW IS HE EVEN ALLOWED TO LIVE ALONE AND CUT HIS OWN MEAT MUCH LESS RUN FOR PRESIDENT

Hey now, Rick Perry completed the class 'Meats' while at A&M. He passed it with a D too!

Stemp
09-25-2011, 05:59 PM
It's finally official

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. -- The Southeastern Conference says Texas A&M is set to be join the league next year.

The SEC announced Sunday that the move will be effective next July, and says Texas A&M will participate in all sports during the 2012-13 academic year. That gives the SEC 13 members and its first addition since South Carolina and Arkansas in 1992.

The Aggies' defection from the Big 12 had been held up with threatened legal action from Baylor and other schools. The statement released by the SEC did not mention that situation, and spokesman Charles Bloom did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

A source told ESPN's Joe Schad that Texas A&M's negotiation of an exit fee with the Big 12 "will now begin in earnest."

The SEC's announcement that Texas A&M will begin play in the conference next year is "unconditional," sources told Schad.

If any institution, such as Baylor, files litigation it would be dealt with at that time.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7019493/texas-officially-gets-accepted-sec

Dan B.
09-26-2011, 02:02 AM
The Big XII higherups were not thrilled with the unbalanced conferences. They wanted to have epic Big XII championship games but in most cases, the Big XII champ game was easier for UT/OU than many of their division games.

That's why i was initially thinking of pods since 4 team pods would be easier to balance and keep regional. Of course knowing the Big XII they may go the Big X route and have the Awesome and the Uber Cool divisions!

The pods wouldn't work because NCAA rules for a conference with a championship game (http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2010/05/24/pac-10-expansion-scott-wont-seek-change-in-ncaa-legislation-for-now/) require at least 6 teams in a division, with every team playing each other round robin:

Rule 17.9.5.2 Annual Exemptions. [FBS/FCS] The maximum number of football contests shall exclude the following:

(c) Twelve-Member Conference Championship Game. [FBS/FCS] A conference championship game between division champions of a member conference of 12 or more institutions that is divided into two divisions (of six or more institutions each), each of which conducts round-robin, regular-season competition among the members of that division;

You can, however, shuffle the divisions yearly.