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euro-Texan
09-19-2011, 08:09 AM
Let me start by stating that until we beat _______ or win ____ number of games or make it to the playoffs etc., but the Patriots practically got their own national holiday for beating the Phins last week. Why are we such an afterthought? I'm glad I can get Houston media through my smart phone, because I would never know about the Texans otherwise. Unless they lose that is, then the media is all over them.

TheMatrix31
09-19-2011, 08:14 AM
Because the handful of plays that led us to being utter failures for the past like, four years have burned them too many times.

How much press could a team that's done nothing for years get, anyway? Shouldn't we be satisfied that people are picking us to win the division?

euro-Texan
09-19-2011, 08:18 AM
Because the handful of plays that led us to being utter failures for the past like, four years have burned them too many times.

How much press could a team that's done nothing for years get, anyway? Shouldn't we be satisfied that people are picking us to win the division?

What about Detroit or Buffalo? E-spin can't get enough of them.

TheMatrix31
09-19-2011, 08:20 AM
Detroit is flashy and they haven't burned them as much as we have. Buffalo is a nice surprise who played in a fantastic game yesterday.

rush2112mn
09-19-2011, 08:20 AM
I beg to differ....

They did a whole segment on ESPN pregame talking about the Texans with Bill Parcells....he had some good things to say. ESPN as a whole has had some positive things to say about the Texans this year....

As far as yesterday.....they are always going to look at the "dramatic" wins....like the Atlanta vs Eagles....or Oakland vs Buffalo games and spend the most time because those were so back and forth.....

Drama will always get more tv time than one like ours yesterday.......

euro-Texan
09-19-2011, 08:28 AM
I beg to differ....

They did a whole segment on ESPN pregame talking about the Texans with Bill Parcells....he had some good things to say. ESPN as a whole has had some positive things to say about the Texans this year....

As far as yesterday.....they are always going to look at the "dramatic" wins....like the Atlanta vs Eagles....or Oakland vs Buffalo games and spend the most time because those were so back and forth.....

Drama will always get more tv time than one like ours yesterday.......

I didn't see that. I was watching the CBS pregame. Good to know. I guess I'll take this over the drama we had last year. All of last years drama was bad other than the Finnigan whooping.

Marcus
09-19-2011, 08:29 AM
Be patient. We were 2-0 last year, remember?

We beat the Saints and go 3-0, people will start talking. But if they don't, you'll know why they weren't.

:thinking:

welsh texan
09-19-2011, 08:34 AM
Does it really matter?

In fact I'd go so far as to say its probably a good thing. The Texans are still (after all these years) a growing team that hasn't actually achieved anything. Better to be creeping up on the inside rail unnoticed than having everyone piling pressure on a group that has yet to achieve its potential.

euro-Texan
09-19-2011, 08:34 AM
Be patient. We were 2-0 last year, remember?

We beat the Saints and go 3-0, people will start talking. But if they don't, you'll know why they weren't.

:thinking:

If we win, I can almost bet the tag will read, "What's wrong with the Saints?" or something which implies it as a Saints loss vice Texan's win. I'm not sure we win this game though. I like our odds, but this is a good match-up and should favor the home team. We're not going to sneak into anymore wins. Even if the press ignores us, opposing teams will not. This should be a really good game

Texans34Life
09-19-2011, 08:35 AM
Don't need it. Just need the press when we're playing in the playoffs.

michaelm
09-19-2011, 09:40 AM
I hope the Texans are doubted, and shown no respect all the way to the playoffs. This is a young team, and I don't want them starting to believe good press. I'd rather have them with the feeling that they have something to prove all season.

DX-TEX
09-19-2011, 09:44 AM
http://i.mediatakeout.com/photo/1299591049tom_brady_gay1.jpg

Because Matt Schaub isnt sexy enough.

euro-Texan
09-19-2011, 10:02 AM
I hope the Texans are doubted, and shown no respect all the way to the playoffs. This is a young team, and I don't want them starting to believe good press. I'd rather have them with the feeling that they have something to prove all season.

I'm not sure if it's a bad thing to have confidence and believe you're the best. I agree that some teams/player let things go to their heads, but it beats them going into games thinking they will blow the lead and lose.

Perki-Perk
09-19-2011, 10:35 AM
When did football fans become a bunch of whiny bitches?? I think this seriously says something about the parenting ability of most of the parents that raised kids in the 80's and 90's. WE'VE ONLY PLAYED 2....T W O regular season games this year with a history of let downs and sloppy play. If I were the media, I'm looking the other way till about week 16 and Texans already have a playoff spot locked up. I can't believe how whiny some of you are. Have you ever had to earn anything?? Or did you grow up in The Woodlands or the Bellaire area?

I am a HUGE Texans fan, but still skeptical. It won't be until about week 6 and if we come out of there 5-1 that I'll start saying...hmm, maybe the Texans got it going on this year. I still wear my jerseys, still fly my flags from my car, but there's no way I'm going to seriously buy in on this teams new winning ways until they actually do some real winning. We are basically the Saints prior to 5 or so years ago right now. Have patience and have your mommy change your diaper and make you a nice bah bah for crying out loud!

\rant

dinkatoid
09-19-2011, 10:44 AM
During the ESPN pregame show they had Parcels and 1 other guy (I can't remember who) talk a moment about our team. Overall, like others said, it was pretty positive. The general reaction was that we were a good team, but the D was still a work in progress. Said to give it till December or so and you will see a much more formidable team.

hadaad
09-19-2011, 10:46 AM
If we win, I can almost bet the tag will read, "What's wrong with the Saints?" or something which implies it as a Saints loss vice Texan's win. I'm not sure we win this game though. I like our odds, but this is a good match-up and should favor the home team. We're not going to sneak into anymore wins. Even if the press ignores us, opposing teams will not. This should be a really good game

I don't think we've snuck into any wins this season at all. Probably not last year, either.

Cjeremy635
09-19-2011, 11:02 AM
http://i.mediatakeout.com/photo/1299591049tom_brady_gay1.jpg

Because Matt Schaub isnt sexy enough.

That is sooooo gay! LOL....seriously GAY. Like he'll give you a reach-around GAY. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just sayin'.

Vinny
09-19-2011, 11:05 AM
http://galleries.andreybuligin.com/albums/userpics/10001/Sad_Kittens.jpg

infantrycak
09-19-2011, 11:07 AM
http://galleries.andreybuligin.com/albums/userpics/10001/Sad_Kittens.jpg

Seriously. :kitten:

Playoffs
09-19-2011, 11:08 AM
Supermodel headbands are killing pro-football. :butterfly:

Malloy
09-19-2011, 11:12 AM
The only time I want to hear about the Texans in International media (I'm not from around there) is when it's announced that we secured a playoff spot :)

Marcus
09-19-2011, 11:12 AM
When did football fans become a bunch of whiny bitches??

When they started playing Madden and fantasy football.

Malloy
09-19-2011, 11:16 AM
When they started playing Madden and fantasy football.

I really blame Fantasy... It's polluting the screen during games these days too, too much fantasy crap and less actual results of other games.. pisses me off...

Perki-Perk
09-19-2011, 11:28 AM
I really blame Fantasy... It's polluting the screen during games these days too, too much fantasy crap and less actual results of other games.. pisses me off...

It's crap like I'm starting to see on this board that made me look for other forums than clutchfans. I swear it seems I never run across people in the sports bar or at work who whine like some of the kids on these boards. It's ridiculous. Probably becasue people like that are at home on their respective gaming system playing madden online and talking trash and checking their fantasy updates on their laptops.

"oh buh buh boo, my vagina hurts"

Ugghh.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a 7-3 win or a 55-10 win. In the NFL, the real one that comes on TV where realistic trades and what nots have to go down and you can actually go to the game in person, There's this thing (well, most of the time) called defense where, (shocker alert) the other team is supposed to be trying their best to prevent the other team from scoring. I know, sounds crazy to you video game heads out there.

Anyway, get real people. I don't even want to hear much of a mention of us until we get to the playoffs. PERIOD.

euro-Texan
09-19-2011, 12:31 PM
When did football fans become a bunch of whiny bitches?? I think this seriously says something about the parenting ability of most of the parents that raised kids in the 80's and 90's. WE'VE ONLY PLAYED 2....T W O regular season games this year with a history of let downs and sloppy play. If I were the media, I'm looking the other way till about week 16 and Texans already have a playoff spot locked up. I can't believe how whiny some of you are. Have you ever had to earn anything?? Or did you grow up in The Woodlands or the Bellaire area?

I am a HUGE Texans fan, but still skeptical. It won't be until about week 6 and if we come out of there 5-1 that I'll start saying...hmm, maybe the Texans got it going on this year. I still wear my jerseys, still fly my flags from my car, but there's no way I'm going to seriously buy in on this teams new winning ways until they actually do some real winning. We are basically the Saints prior to 5 or so years ago right now. Have patience and have your mommy change your diaper and make you a nice bah bah for crying out loud!

\rant

I'm not trying to be a whiny *****. This started when I watched ESPN this morning before work and saw highlights from every game and then they casually mentioned that the Phins lost without showing any clips and that was it. I could care less where we end up on power rankings, but we should at least get play regardless of the history, mannings injury, or anything else. right now we are in first place and the fact that the game highlights are not covered pisses me off. If I lived in Houston, this wouldn't matter, but I'm stationed far away from the great state of TEXAS, so I live by the snippets of coverage I get through the national media. I'll stop whining now.

Double Barrel
09-19-2011, 12:43 PM
When they started playing Madden and fantasy football.

Madden has only been around since 1988, old man. :rolleyes:

If anything, Madden has educated the average football fan for the past two generations.

People have been bitching about football and lack of coverage for local teams since I was a kid (and probably well before that point). Bitching is what sports fans do, because they have absolutely no impact on the outcomes of games.

euro-Texan, can you get NFLN? They have a much better post-game coverage than ESPN. All football, all the time at NFLN!

gtexan02
09-19-2011, 12:44 PM
That is sooooo gay! LOL....seriously GAY. Like he'll give you a reach-around GAY. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just sayin'.

Dude, be careful what you say. The guy is a pro QB and future HOFer married to Giselle. By definition he is more masculine than pretty much anyone. Headband or no headband.

You're implying that the majority of us (anyone who is not a pro football player married to supermodel) are likely ... as well...

Double Barrel
09-19-2011, 12:47 PM
Dude, be careful what you say. The guy is a pro QB and future HOFer married to Giselle. By definition he is more masculine than pretty much anyone. Headband or no headband.

You're implying that the majority of us (anyone who is not a pro football player married to supermodel) are likely ... as well...

Brady could wear a dress, paint his nails, and put his hair in pony-tails and still be more manly than most with his resume and wifey. :shades:

Haters gotta' hate...

Texan_Bill
09-19-2011, 12:49 PM
HOU-TEX approves of Brady's "Gay Hair Band"

euro-Texan
09-19-2011, 12:54 PM
euro-Texan, can you get NFLN? They have a much better post-game coverage than ESPN. All football, all the time at NFLN![/QUOTE]

Yes I get it, but for some reason they have been running a bunch of those "top ten head coaches who wear hoodies" or other crappy shows they play to showcase someone who needs no more press. Their news show is good but is on a loop for a day. I swear last week they were no better than ESPN. I watched five days of how great the Patriots were because they beat the Fins.

Marcus
09-19-2011, 01:33 PM
Madden has only been around since 1988, old man. :rolleyes:

If anything, Madden has dumbed down the average football fan for the past two generations.

Fixed it for ya. :neener:

Double Barrel
09-19-2011, 03:25 PM
Fixed it for ya. :neener:

Nice....except for, you know, science and all...

Madden Football IQ Study At University Of Oregon (http://www.mkrob.com/madden-football-iq-study/)

This year’s study, which examined how fans of Madden NFL also interact with the sport of football, determined that fans who play the Madden NFL video game series are not only more knowledgeable about the game of football, but are also more avid, devoted fans.

“For the second year, we delved into the relationship that the Madden NFL game forges with real football, and the study proved that it runs very deep. Madden NFL fans are not only extremely knowledgeable about the game of football, they are equally as passionate,” said Paul Swangard, Managing Director of the Warsaw Sports Marketing Center at the University of Oregon. “Twenty-one years of the Madden NFL franchise has created a smarter and more devoted football fan.”

Madden NFL Players More Knowledgeable About Nuances of Football

In this year's study, the Madden NFL Football IQ survey found that Madden NFL players continue to be more knowledgeable about the game of football than non-Madden players. Out of a total of 25 questions, Madden NFL players scored higher in all five survey categories. Categories where Madden NFL players scored significantly better were Game Situations and General Knowledge categories, where Madden NFL players scored 19 and 12 percent higher, respectively.

Questions where Madden NFL players scored particular higher indicated intricate knowledge of not only football mechanics, but also nuanced knowledge of football terminology. Examples included:

* 67 percent of Madden NFL players correctly identified specific passing routes versus 48 percent of non-Madden NFL players.

* Madden NFL players also know their defensive schemes, with 81 percent correctly identifying formations compared to 67 percent of non-Madden respondents.

* Madden NFL players get inside the game of football as well, demonstrated as they correctly defined injury classification terms more often than non-Madden NFL players. For example, 63 percent of Madden NFL players correctly defined "Injured Reserve" versus 48 percent of non-Madden NFL players.




So...yeah. :fingergun:

Marcus
09-19-2011, 04:53 PM
Nice....except for, you know, science and all...

So...yeah. :fingergun:

I'll never forget a couple of years ago, while listening to Kubiak's radio show. A caller asked him why he wasn't running a certain offensive play, and before he could answer him, the caller says, "It worked last night when I was playing Madden"!

That's the issue DB. It gives fans the idea that they are smarter than the coaches.

Makes them "more knowledgeable"? I couldn't possibly disagree more.

The1ApplePie
09-19-2011, 05:00 PM
National media slobbered all over the Texans the past few years only to have them explode into a mushroom cloud of mediocrity. Can't blame them for being cautious

Double Barrel
09-19-2011, 05:20 PM
I'll never forget a couple of years ago, while listening to Kubiak's radio show. A caller asked him why he wasn't running a certain offensive play, and before he could answer him, the caller says, "It worked last night when I was playing Madden"!

That's the issue DB. It gives fans the idea that they are smarter than the coaches.

Makes them "more knowledgeable"? I couldn't possibly disagree more.

Well, one dumbass doesn't represent an entire group, y'know?

I agree that it's a really stupid question. But, that goes back to my other point that talk radio and forums provide avenues for broadcasting stupid takes. These dummies existed decades ago, but they were unable to spew their nonsense because no avenue existed for them to do so.

As far as disagreeing with scientific research...well, maybe you can go spew that opinion on talk radio now. :shades:

Honestly, though, this isn't a pissing match. I'm not sure if you are familiar with the Madden game, but John Madden has done an excellent job over the past couple of decades of ensuring that his product is authentic as it can be with regards to the fundamentals. His name is more than just an endorsement. He's a teacher in many ways, and as the above research reveals, it's been a pretty good tool in that regard.

But, it cannot keep morons from confusing a video game with reality as it pertains to the business of the front office. That should be the job of a talk radio producer who answers the phones and fields the calls.

euro-Texan
09-19-2011, 06:46 PM
National media slobbered all over the Texans the past few years only to have them explode into a mushroom cloud of mediocrity. Can't blame them for being cautious

I guess I should clarify my original point. I could care less about national media hype. I don't care who the talking heads pick with their meaningless predictions or power rankings. I also could care less about the little interviews washed up athletes who pretend to be journalist interview about some emotional garbade which has nothing to do with X's and O's. The point of this post was to ask why the hell we are ignored from the national media highlight reel? I understand the FF thing it serves the national media to push FF as it forces fans to look outside of local coverage to check on there players from different teams, but when they spend countless time showing an injury to Big Ben that really didn't result in an injury at all and fail to show any highlights of a game which included an undefeated division leading team. What pisses meoff is that I suffered through five solid days of thier praise of the Patriots for beating the same team a weel earlier. I just wanted to see some damn highlights Okay i'm climbing down fro the soapbox now

ObsiWan
09-19-2011, 07:15 PM
ESPN is gravitating toward the social media network more than actual football analysis and coverage.

Remember NFL Matchup. Used to be one of the best pure Xs and Os shows on that network.
Well, it's gone now.
The only thing close to it is on NFLN with Sharpe and Baldinger.

Instead we get things like SportsNation (which serves no useful function as far as I can see) and NFL32 where the Tweeter universe gets to pick the topic as the show progresses instead of stepping thru each game and breaking it down. And one guess which area of the country does the most tweeting

It's sad really.

BeerTastesLikeVictory
09-19-2011, 07:21 PM
http://i.mediatakeout.com/photo/1299591049tom_brady_gay1.jpg

Because Matt Schaub isnt sexy enough.

Isn't that the East German Womens shotput gold medalist from the '86 Olympics?

Texans_Chick
09-19-2011, 07:27 PM
I will care about a fawning press when the NFL switches to the BCS.

Which is never.

This sort of thread deserves more kitten.

http://www.lol-site.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/a9733_funny-dog-pictures-there-is-a-kitten-in-the-food-bowl.jpg?w=560

ObsiWan
09-19-2011, 07:31 PM
I will care about a fawning press when the NFL switches to the BCS.

Which is never.

This sort of thread deserves more kitten.

http://www.lol-site.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/a9733_funny-dog-pictures-there-is-a-kitten-in-the-food-bowl.jpg?w=560

:ahhaha:
I wondered if you could hold your piece.

Joe Texan
09-19-2011, 08:35 PM
I love to read all you know it alls that can decipher exactly why BSPN gives us no look when we Manhandle the colts but they do put a video of reggie wayne catching a td in garbage time on the top ten something or other. Since the Colts played so much better than us and because they were down a half of th first team or might I say Manning. That throw from Wannabe Manning was such the throw that it needed recognition on a top ten program. That was absolutely pathetic and now we go into Miami and man handle the Dollfans and not a word. It makes me reallize that BSPN is exactly that BULL****PARTYNETWORK and all the announcers are scared to say anything about the Texans. At least Bill Parcells knows football and is not afraid to say it.

Showtime100
09-20-2011, 12:49 AM
I don't know how long, or how many hours my television has been on ESPN since the end of the game, but it has been quite a few. I work at my computer as well as come here and while I do that it's NFLN and ESPN a pretty good portion of that time.

I have yet to see the Houston/Miami highlights aside from watching them on my computer. Not once, nada. Yet I have seen seven or eight games' (you know which games) highlights more than seven or eight times and then some.

As I type I am watching NFL Primetime, three quarters into the show, and still nothing.

Maybe I get busier than I think and don't even know the highlights are being shown, but I doubt it. *oh goody, it's the Carolina/Pack highlights........again*

DocBar
09-20-2011, 01:26 AM
Maybe this (http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/story/15607792/phillips-has-texans-finally-dialing-up-the-defense) will help.

Showtime100
09-20-2011, 01:34 AM
Maybe this (http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/story/15607792/phillips-has-texans-finally-dialing-up-the-defense) will help.

I don't know if you were talking to me, but if so I said I got highlights on my computer, I was really bitching about ESPN and NFLN. I finally saw the NFL Primetime highlights and I now understand why I haven't seen them because if I had blinked I would have missed it. Three plays, they showed. Three. One look at Arian and his angry look on the sidelines and three plays. I guess they want to be technically honest when they say "we'll take you all around the day in the NFL." :D

I do, though, appeciate that link very much! :smiliedance:

DocBar
09-20-2011, 01:42 AM
I don't know if you were talking to me, but if so I said I got highlights on my computer, I was really bitching about ESPN and NFLN. I finally saw the NFL Primetime highlights and I now understand why I haven't seen them because if I had blinked I would have missed it. Three plays, they showed. Three. One look at Arian and his angry look on the sidelines and three plays. I guess they want to be technically honest when they say "we'll take you all around the day in the NFL." :D

I do, though, appeciate that link very much! :smiliedance:No, I wasn't directing this at you. This is just an instance of some national press coverage and this seemed like as good a place as any to share it.
And you're quite welcome. :)

DBCooper
09-20-2011, 06:43 PM
When did football fans become a bunch of whiny bitches?? I think this seriously says something about the parenting ability of most of the parents that raised kids in the 80's and 90's. WE'VE ONLY PLAYED 2....T W O regular season games this year with a history of let downs and sloppy play. If I were the media, I'm looking the other way till about week 16 and Texans already have a playoff spot locked up. I can't believe how whiny some of you are. Have you ever had to earn anything?? Or did you grow up in The Woodlands or the Bellaire area?

I am a HUGE Texans fan, but still skeptical. It won't be until about week 6 and if we come out of there 5-1 that I'll start saying...hmm, maybe the Texans got it going on this year. I still wear my jerseys, still fly my flags from my car, but there's no way I'm going to seriously buy in on this teams new winning ways until they actually do some real winning. We are basically the Saints prior to 5 or so years ago right now. Have patience and have your mommy change your diaper and make you a nice bah bah for crying out loud!

\rant

I'll bet there are a ton of people that grew up in the woodlands and bellaire that can whoop your ass.

Ryan
09-20-2011, 06:49 PM
I watched around the league on NFLN yesterday for a whole entire hour because i saw Ben Tate was going to be on. It said Ben Tate interview next going to the commercial, and then coming back, the interview was behind some Romo BS and some more Jets coverage and Brady worshipping, and then it said next again, and then it was behind Giants pre-game coverage and Cam Newton leg humping.

This continued for an hour and i ended up missing the interview. And the same thing happened today when they were going to talk about the matchup vs. the Saints and it didn't even come on till 35 minutes into the next program, and lasted 45 seconds.


And NFLN is usually better about it then ESPN.

nytexan
09-20-2011, 08:01 PM
Well if its any consolation to the lack of highlights shown nationally, ESPN has us moved up in the rankings to 5th, which is higher than I can ever remember them being ranked before. I don't put much stock in rankings but its something for those who need it.

Kuharsky even sounded optimistic about them. When he jumps firmly on the bandwagon you'll know they arrived.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings/_/year/2011/week/3

Texan_Bill
09-20-2011, 08:20 PM
Well if its any consolation to the lack of highlights shown nationally, ESPN has us moved up in the rankings to 5th, which is higher than I can ever remember them being ranked before. I don't put much stock in rankings but its something for those who need it.

Kuharsky even sounded optimistic about them. When he jumps firmly on the bandwagon you'll know they arrived.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings/_/year/2011/week/3

I give a damn about the "Rat's Ass!!!"""

badboy
09-20-2011, 09:10 PM
Who cares what the media think about Houston, Texans or us (fans)? Take your best shot. Respect is earned and we have not done that yet.

wildroot
09-20-2011, 10:01 PM
What about Detroit or Buffalo? E-spin can't get enough of them.

If they crap out year in and year out they"ll be on the outs too. Right now they're the new up-and-comers. We had our shot over the last few years but we under-acheived and blew it.

DexmanC
09-20-2011, 11:49 PM
The Texans won't get any respect until they start beating good teams,
while those good teams are competing for playoff berths.

The Texans' only wins against playoff-bound teams have come after
they've clinched and resting starters. It's time for this team to prove
they are contenders by taking playoff spots from good teams.

Beat New Orleans, Pittsburgh, and the Ravens, then people will
begin to trust the Texans. Believe me, the same people who
don't talk much about this team, REALLY WANT TO. This team
just BURNS those who root for it by CRASHING HARD. Ya'll know this
to be true.

I heard Warren Sapp say he's gonna wait a few more weeks before
he's on the band wagon. The next 4 games, the Texans will have
NO WHERE to hide. They'd BETTER not continue the trend of losing
to good teams, smashing bad teams, and competing closely with mediocre
teams. People are SICK of that ****.

houstonspartan
09-20-2011, 11:54 PM
The Texans won't get any respect until they start beating good teams,
while those good teams are competing for playoff berths.

The Texans' only wins against playoff-bound teams have come after
they've clinched and resting starters. It's time for this team to prove
they are contenders by taking playoff spots from good teams.

Beat New Orleans, Pittsburgh, and the Ravens, then people will
begin to trust the Texans. Believe me, the same people who
don't talk much about this team, REALLY WANT TO. This team
just BURNS those who root for it by CRASHING HARD. Ya'll know this
to be true.

I heard Warren Sapp say he's gonna wait a few more weeks before
he's on the band wagon. The next 4 games, the Texans will have
NO WHERE to hide. They'd BETTER not continue the trend of losing
to good teams, smashing bad teams, and competing closely with mediocre
teams. People are SICK of that ****.

Agree 100 percent. The national media actually loves this team. They're just waiting for us to bring something to the table and show what we got.

I've never bought the "the national press hates us" argument. It's not true. I STILL have the ESPN magazine from five years ago when Mario was on the cover and they predicted us in the playoffs, and I also have the one from a year or so ago with the story on Andre Johnson and they predicted the same thing.

It's strange. People outside Houston have more faith in this team than the actual players and coaches it seems.

DocBar
09-20-2011, 11:59 PM
Agree 100 percent. The national media actually loves this team. They're just waiting for us to bring something to the table and show what we got.

I've never bought the "the national press hates us" argument. It's not true. I STILL have the ESPN magazine from five years ago when Mario was on the cover and they predicted us in the playoffs, and I also have the one from a year or so ago with the story on Andre Johnson and they predicted the same thing.

It's strange. People outside Houston have more faith in this team than the actual players and coaches it seems.Those people don't watch them closely enough. :runaway:

Bulluck53
09-21-2011, 04:30 AM
The media favors certain teams, that's a given. If you're not in a big market or have some incredible history then you won't be talked about. It seems that every team that doesn't fit that criteria complains about the lack of coverage.

Personally I don't like it when the Titans get a ton of publicity unless they actually accomplish something. During the 10-0 run a few years back it got downright annoying how much they would talk about the Titans because I wasn't used to it. Some of you may like it when it starts for the Texans (and it will as they keep winning), but it seemed to me to be the same fluff stories over and over, it was redundant.

ObsiWan
09-21-2011, 04:49 AM
Maybe this (http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/story/15607792/phillips-has-texans-finally-dialing-up-the-defense) will help.

Okay....
When CBS's Judge starts drinking the Texans koolaid that's another sign that maybe the Mayans were right and the world will end in 2012...
:hides:

Showtime100
09-21-2011, 07:31 AM
My personal thing about "no national press" only has to do with giving due air time on highlights and that pretty much it. ESPN spends 90% of their NFL time talking about 10% of the league and 10% of theit time talking about the other 90% of the league because they have to, with snide comments to boot. This is not what I had in mind when 24-hour sports channels came to be.

I don't care what ESPN, NFLN, or anybody says about the Texans unless it's unfounded and negative by a reporter who clearly didn't read up much before saying the offending comments. I don't care about how little they are talked about, just give me the damn highlights on Sunday night like you did all the other games.

I got three plays and one chance to see those three plays watching ESPN and some NFLN on Sunday night/Monday morning and to me that is inexcusable from the American-based and "Worldwide Leader In Sports" (by monpoly).

Thorn
09-21-2011, 07:36 AM
The national press will show and report on what will bring them ratings nationally. The Texans don't fit that bill, so guess what?

Showtime100
09-21-2011, 07:40 AM
The national press will show and report on what will bring them ratings nationally. The Texans don't fit that bill, so guess what?

Kiss my ass Brakos! OH! Thorn, it's you. Good post! :turtle:

ObsiWan
09-21-2011, 10:27 AM
The national press will show and report on what will bring them ratings nationally. The Texans don't fit that bill, so guess what?

yep... just follow the money
and in TV the formula is simple: ratings = advertising = $$$
The teams with the largest followings represent the best potential ratings.

To paraphrase Michael Corleone, "It's not personal. It's business."

b0ng
09-21-2011, 11:27 AM
If the Texans still have a top 10 defense and have only 1 loss or 0 by week six and there isn't a bunch of press I'll be surprised. Our next 10 games will be a lot easier.

euro-Texan
09-21-2011, 11:28 AM
My personal thing about "no national press" only has to do with giving due air time on highlights and that pretty much it. ESPN spends 90% of their NFL time talking about 10% of the league and 10% of theit time talking about the other 90% of the league because they have to, with snide comments to boot. This is not what I had in mind when 24-hour sports channels came to be.

I don't care what ESPN, NFLN, or anybody says about the Texans unless it's unfounded and negative by a reporter who clearly didn't read up much before saying the offending comments. I don't care about how little they are talked about, just give me the damn highlights on Sunday night like you did all the other games.

I got three plays and one chance to see those three plays watching ESPN and some NFLN on Sunday night/Monday morning and to me that is inexcusable from the American-based and "Worldwide Leader In Sports" (by monpoly).

Thank you for getting the original point of this post! The Texans will get plenty of highlight reel if they lose to New Orleans, but when they win a game it is as if the game never took place. I get the whole east coast bias and ratings thing, but it only makes sense that if you are a 24hr sports network or one specific to the NFL (NFLN) you should at least cover all of the games which took place on a given Sunday. As far as the pundit's opinions, popularity contests or anything else I think most of us on here could care less.

HTown2ATX
09-21-2011, 12:25 PM
On First Take on lunch just now I was watching the debate session and pretty much everyone smashed on the Texans until they see if we beat NO this weekend (which I don't blame them for to be honest after how many times the Texans have left egg on national media guys faces after praising them).

Also, they did that segment where they rank the top 5 in AFC and NFC and the Texans were left out. Now this part I took issue with only because if we are talking AFC only and not the whole NFL, I think the Texans are in there somewhere IMO.

Skip Bayless came over to critique the picks and thank Kordell Stewart (who made the picks) for not putting the Texans in the top 5.

I personally don't care about media rep just yet, but this part of the segment did irk me a little as the Texans are not garbage even if unproven at this point based on beating the Colts and Phins.

Double Barrel
09-21-2011, 12:28 PM
I hope the team feels disrespected and has a chip on their collective shoulders about it. Teams tend to play better as underdogs, and honestly, respect in the NFL should be earned, not granted by a bunch of blathering media personalities.

Texn4life
09-21-2011, 12:32 PM
On First Take on lunch just now I was watching the debate session and pretty much everyone smashed on the Texans until they see if we beat NO this weekend (which I don't blame them for to be honest after how many times the Texans have left egg on national media guys faces after praising them).

Also, they did that segment where they rank the top 5 in AFC and NFC and the Texans were left out. Now this part I took issue with only because if we are talking AFC only and not the whole NFL, I think the Texans are in there somewhere IMO.

Skip Bayless came over to critique the picks and thank Kordell Stewart (who made the picks) for not putting the Texans in the top 5.

I personally don't care about media rep just yet, but this part of the segment did irk me a little as the Texans are not garbage even if unproven at this point based on beating the Colts and Phins.

People want to see what we do against elite teams first. Personally I feel exactly the way they do. We've seen the Texans win games everyone feels they should win. These next 4 games will show the country what we're made of. If we win the next 2 games then I guarantee you people will be saying we're either 1 or 2 right up there with the Patriots. Beat elite teams and the respect will come.

Thorn
09-21-2011, 12:34 PM
I hope the team feels disrespected and has a chip on their collective shoulders about it. Teams tend to play better as underdogs, and honestly, respect in the NFL should be earned, not granted by a bunch of blathering media personalities.

One reason that we all get upset around here with the Texans, is we've known for several years now they have the talent they need to get into the playoffs. They just, for some unfathomable reason, keep screwing it up. Some of us blame Kubiak, others have their reasons, but maybe it's just the Texans just don't have a winners mentality. And until they get it, they will continue to fold just like it's home.

Whatever the reason, I hope they get over it this year. And screw the national press either way.

The1ApplePie
09-21-2011, 12:35 PM
Getting no love from ESPN:

Texans
Titans (blew the doors off the Ravens)
Buffalo Bills
Andy Dalton

No national fanbase = no national coverage

infantrycak
09-21-2011, 12:42 PM
On First Take on lunch just now I was watching the debate session and pretty much everyone smashed on the Texans until they see if we beat NO this weekend (which I don't blame them for to be honest after how many times the Texans have left egg on national media guys faces after praising them).

I don't care one way or another about what the talking heads say. But the argument about beating good teams is sooooo overplayed. Two good teams walk into the SB each year. One walks out a loser. Doesn't mean they weren't a good team. The Bills did it four years in a row and were an excellent team. The next two games will be very tough but they are against the league's elite. Losing to an elite team doesn't mean you suck.

texanhead08
09-21-2011, 12:47 PM
Texans have beat two horrible teams and based on past failures that will not get you any national attention.

Texn4life
09-21-2011, 12:50 PM
I don't care one way or another about what the talking heads say. But the argument about beating good teams is sooooo overplayed. Two good teams walk into the SB each year. One walks out a loser. Doesn't mean they weren't a good team. The Bills did it four years in a row and were an excellent team. The next two games will be very tough but they are against the league's elite. Losing to an elite team doesn't mean you suck.

I would agree that it doesn't mean that you suck especially losing to an elite team on the road, but if the Texans are going to get where we all believe they can this year they'll have to beat really good teams. There's never been a team win the division that hasn't beaten a playoff team if I remember correctly. A win this game would go a long ways towards the Texans confidence heading into the Steelers game. That's the only thing I'm concerned about. A bad loss in New Orleans would possibly have these guys thinking about last year all over again.

infantrycak
09-21-2011, 01:00 PM
I would agree that it doesn't mean that you suck especially losing to an elite team on the road, but if the Texans are going to get where we all believe they can this year they'll have to beat really good teams. There's never been a team win the division that hasn't beaten a playoff team if I remember correctly. A win this game would go a long ways towards the Texans confidence heading into the Steelers game. That's the only thing I'm concerned about. A bad loss in New Orleans would possibly have these guys thinking about last year all over again.

First off, I think people are being a little prematurely giddy and hopefully the Texans are not doing the same.

Having said that I guess it depends on what you mean by really good teams. On the remaining schedule I would say the really good to elite teams are the Saints, Steelers, Ravens and Falcons. They could loose all of those and still win the division.

Texas T
09-21-2011, 01:05 PM
Here's my take:

Whenthe Phins put up all that yardage and those points against the Pats they were a good team (per media) but now they are not because they lost to the Texans.

The Pats beat the Phins and gave up a butt-load of yards and points and they "fought out" a hard earned win against a good team and the Pats are elite. The Texans beat the same Phins team by 13 points, hold their QB to 170 yards and they have not been challenged because they have played two not very good teams...

I just don't understand the difference. Does losing to the Texans automatically mean they are a bad team??

So when we beat the Saints this week, media should start saying how aweful they are. Actually, I'm betting on a "this is how the Saints lost the game".

How bad with the Steelers be when we beat them??

HTown2ATX
09-21-2011, 01:15 PM
First off, I think people are being a little prematurely giddy and hopefully the Texans are not doing the same.

Having said that I guess it depends on what you mean by really good teams. On the remaining schedule I would say the really good to elite teams are the Saints, Steelers, Ravens and Falcons. They could loose all of those and still win the division.


I agree with you in your earlier comment that I don't care what the national media says right now largely either as I stated before, but the whole AFC second part of my OP did irk me I have to admit.

I also agree with you on the bolded part of your statement above about winning the division, however, IMO, if we can't beat any of those "elite" or upper echelon teams I unfortunately suspect we get demolished in the playoffs, which, at this point, I expect to see at least 1 W in the playoffs if we win the division and get homefield for a game instead of just showing up and going home.

FWIW

infantrycak
09-21-2011, 01:22 PM
I was only talking about getting to the playoffs not what happens once there.

Texn4life
09-21-2011, 01:23 PM
First off, I think people are being a little prematurely giddy and hopefully the Texans are not doing the same.

Having said that I guess it depends on what you mean by really good teams. On the remaining schedule I would say the really good to elite teams are the Saints, Steelers, Ravens and Falcons. They could loose all of those and still win the division.

I would add Tampa Bay at home to that list also. They may not be there on the road yet, but they're really good at home.

My issue with us losing all of those games would be that most likely we would have slip ups in other games too. We need to be able to win tough games against good teams both at home and on the road.

El Tejano
09-21-2011, 01:43 PM
The only reason why it makes a difference to me what media is saying is because there are times when you can see that clearly the attention one team gets makes for differnces in the actual games.

How many times have we seen some bogus Pass Interference calls against us when we had Manning stopped and destined to fail (Jacques Reeves PI call about two years ago).

Double Barrel
09-21-2011, 01:57 PM
First off, I think people are being a little prematurely giddy and hopefully the Texans are not doing the same.

Having said that I guess it depends on what you mean by really good teams. On the remaining schedule I would say the really good to elite teams are the Saints, Steelers, Ravens and Falcons. They could loose all of those and still win the division.

yep, good points. Even including the Bucs as a loss, the Texans could go 11-5 and clinch the division (and possibly a first round bye).

If you look at the Texans schedule, I would never go so far as to say "cupcake", but it definitely has a lot more 'beatable' teams than what folks would consider 'elite' teams. Another reason why I feel the mythical stars are aligned for us this season. But, as always, they need to actually do it to make it so.

HTown2ATX
09-21-2011, 02:01 PM
yep, good points. Even including the Bucs as a loss, the Texans could go 11-5 and clinch the division (and possibly a first round bye).

If you look at the Texans schedule, I would never go so far as to say "cupcake", but it definitely has a lot more 'beatable' teams than what folks would consider 'elite' teams. Another reason why I feel the mythical stars are aligned for us this season. But, as always, they need to actually do it to make it so.

Exactly, in looking at my schedule on my wall at my desk, the schedule is lined up well for us. However, I would really want to see some wins against elite teams so I feel better with that Division clinching 1st home game in the playoffs against someone.

michaelm
09-21-2011, 02:34 PM
yep, good points. Even including the Bucs as a loss, the Texans could go 11-5 and clinch the division (and possibly a first round bye).

If you look at the Texans schedule, I would never go so far as to say "cupcake", but it definitely has a lot more 'beatable' teams than what folks would consider 'elite' teams. Another reason why I feel the mythical stars are aligned for us this season. But, as always, they need to actually do it to make it so.


Hmmmm... starting to come around, are you? LOL

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1744854&postcount=10

Double Barrel
09-21-2011, 02:42 PM
Hmmmm... starting to come around, are you? LOL

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1744854&postcount=10

lol! Well, I did say "could go" to paint a scenario. :shades:

However, I'd say that yeah, I'm definitely coming around to being a bit more optimistic about things in a cautious sort of way. If I was fully convinced that the Texans have moved beyond their old ways of potentially beating themselves, I'd be all in with that 11-5 prediction.

DexmanC
09-21-2011, 05:29 PM
I don't care one way or another about what the talking heads say. But the argument about beating good teams is sooooo overplayed. Two good teams walk into the SB each year. One walks out a loser. Doesn't mean they weren't a good team. The Bills did it four years in a row and were an excellent team. The next two games will be very tough but they are against the league's elite. Losing to an elite team doesn't mean you suck.

The only way to get to THE SUPERBOWL is to beat GOOD TEAMS.
Keep the conversation at the regular season level, and you'll understand
why this team hasn't earned national respect.

infantrycak
09-21-2011, 05:38 PM
The only way to get to THE SUPERBOWL is to beat GOOD TEAMS.
Keep the conversation at the regular season level, and you'll understand
why this team hasn't earned national respect.

Yeah like the 9-7 Jets beating out the 9-7 Texans for the 2009 playoffs. Or the 9-7 Cardinals going to the Super Bowl. Or how about the 7-9 Seahawks winning their division when 7 teams were 10+ wins in their conference. Regular season matters.

Hint - your record starts at 0-0 once you hit the playoffs. Goal #1 - get there.

Texn4life
09-21-2011, 06:31 PM
Yeah like the 9-7 Jets beating out the 9-7 Texans for the 2009 playoffs. Or the 9-7 Cardinals going to the Super Bowl. Or how about the 7-9 Seahawks winning their division when 7 teams were 10+ wins in their conference. Regular season matters.

Hint - your record starts at 0-0 once you hit the playoffs. Goal #1 - get there.

The Jets also beat good teams to get there. NE, Ten, Hou, Car..... All teams with records of .500 or better. I'm not even including the 2 games they won at the end of the year. Point is, they won against tough teams.

Arizona beat Dallas and Miami. Dallas on the road. Both were playoff teams that year. Sure the statistics say that we can go to the playoffs without beating any good teams, but realistically we need to be able to win a game or 2 against a good team.

If the Jets split those 4 games they don't go to the playoffs. If Arizona loses both of those games, they don't go to the playoffs.

Edit: The Seahawks last year also won a couple of games against good teams. SD and Chicago. They needed 2 KO returns from Leon Washington to beat San Diego, but the point is without those games they don't even get in.

DexmanC
09-21-2011, 07:23 PM
The Jets also beat good teams to get there. NE, Ten, Hou, Car..... All teams with records of .500 or better. I'm not even including the 2 games they won at the end of the year. Point is, they won against tough teams.

Arizona beat Dallas and Miami. Dallas on the road. Both were playoff teams that year. Sure the statistics say that we can go to the playoffs without beating any good teams, but realistically we need to be able to a game or 2 against a good team.

If the Jets split those 4 games they don't go to the playoffs. If Arizona loses both of those games, they don't go to the playoffs.

Edit: The Seahawks last year also won a couple of games against good teams. SD and Chicago. They needed 2 KO returns from Leon Washington to beat San Diego, but the point is without those games they don't even get in.

Reps to you for hitting the nail on the head.

infantrycak
09-21-2011, 08:16 PM
The Jets also beat good teams to get there. NE, Ten, Hou, Car..... All teams with records of .500 or better. I'm not even including the 2 games they won at the end of the year. Point is, they won against tough teams.

So what? They also lost to teams with .500 or worse records - Miami twice, Buffalo, Jacksonville. Glad you got rep for the post but it really wasn't sound. Fact is most teams don't have to face more than a few games against eventual playoff teams during the regular season and the wins and losses count just the same whether it be the 0-16 Lions or the 16-0 Patriots as far as the Texans going to the playoffs.

Kimmy
09-21-2011, 08:19 PM
I've been seeing a LOT of national press. However, everyone wants us to "prove it" before jumping on the bandwagon. Can't say I blame 'em

Texn4life
09-21-2011, 08:43 PM
So what? They also lost to teams with .500 or worse records - Miami twice, Buffalo, Jacksonville. Glad you got rep for the post but it really wasn't sound. Fact is most teams don't have to face more than a few games against eventual playoff teams during the regular season and the wins and losses count just the same whether it be the 0-16 Lions or the 16-0 Patriots as far as the Texans going to the playoffs.

You're making my point for me and you don't even realize it. The Texans will lose to a team or most likely teams that they should beat with losing records. At some point they'll need to beat good teams. You brought up the 3 teams before and I gave you at least 2 good teams each that they beat that year. Without those wins they don't get into the playoffs. You're the one who said they don't need to win those games while bringing up those teams. I gave you reasons why they do.

Your argument is the one that isn't sound. You said that the Texans don't need any of these wins to get into the playoffs and gave 3 bad examples of teams. All of those teams beat good teams in order to make the playoffs which is what we'll need as well. And I'm not here for the rep. While appreciated, I just wanna talk football with fellow Texans fans. Just because you're a mod doesn't mean you can't be wrong or mistaken about something.

beerlover
09-21-2011, 11:22 PM
It's kinda like "Field of Dreams" If you build it they will come. Just win baby the rest will follow:toast2: