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Section516
09-18-2011, 10:44 PM
Helmet to Helmet on Maclin this time, Maclins limp on the field...

Texanmike02
09-18-2011, 10:47 PM
That was clean. He lead with his shoulder. This crap they are talking about on the broadcast. We know he's a receiver Chris... we know you love all receivers but that was a CLEAN hit.

Mike

Pantherstang84
09-18-2011, 10:49 PM
That was clean. He lead with his shoulder. This crap they are talking about on the broadcast. We know he's a receiver Chris... we know you love all receivers but that was a CLEAN hit.

Mike

But he put his head down and led with it. That will draw the flag every time.

XI CMURDER IX
09-18-2011, 10:52 PM
But he put his head down and led with it. That will draw the flag every time.

Almost in a headbutt motion, from what I saw.

Ckw
09-18-2011, 10:52 PM
That was a punk ass ***** move by Dunta. I hate the guy not only for the crap he pulled when he was here, not only for his shitty play while he was here, but also for the fact that he is a thug. I hate him slightly less than Innegan.

Texanmike02
09-18-2011, 11:03 PM
But he put his head down and led with it. That will draw the flag every time.

I just rewound it and watched it again. He clearly led with the shoulder. I'm not a fan of his at all but I hate the powderpuff mentality. We are starting to see the feminization of football. He never even made contact with this helmet, it was all shoulder. As far as I am aware that is legal. He didn't leave his feet and he used his shoulder. If that were JJo we would all be arguing it was a bad call. I know we hate Daunta but that was exactly was a good clean hit.

Mike

XI CMURDER IX
09-18-2011, 11:04 PM
I just rewinded it and watched it again. He clearly led with the shoulder. I'm not a fan of his at all but I hate the powderpuff mentality. We are starting to see the feminization of football.

Mike

When I re-watched it the only thing I saw different was Maclin trying to lean away from it, which in turn lead him into the helmet. Still though, they will call it everytime, as long as the defense goes high.

fiasco west
09-18-2011, 11:08 PM
He doesn't even attempt to use his arms and leans in with his helmet like he usually does.

Goatcheese
09-18-2011, 11:14 PM
So... football happened? :overreact:

Playoffs
09-18-2011, 11:17 PM
mortreport Chris Mortensen
Dunta Robinson may be a test case for suspension. At very least, huge fine coming, though leading WR into big hit no good, too.

axman40
09-18-2011, 11:26 PM
I just rewound it and watched it again. He clearly led with the shoulder. I'm not a fan of his at all but I hate the powderpuff mentality. We are starting to see the feminization of football. He never even made contact with this helmet, it was all shoulder. As far as I am aware that is legal. He didn't leave his feet and he used his shoulder. If that were JJo we would all be arguing it was a bad call. I know we hate Daunta but that was exactly was a good clean hit.

Mike
Hmm i have seen that.
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk34/feministing/T-Lingerie-Bowl.jpg?t=1240833368
:overreact:

Showtime100
09-18-2011, 11:36 PM
Lol, Dunta just got owned. He was so lost he was asking where the help was before the ball even got there.

Texanmike02
09-18-2011, 11:40 PM
The whole "defenseless" receiver is just troubling to me. There was a time when Chrissy Collinsworthless would have been screaming about how the QB shouldn't put the receiver in a position like that. Instead we're talking about how the "dirty" defensive player had the gall to hit the receiver AFTER he caught the ball. His hit wasn't all that different from the titans game two years ago. "Going over the middle" is a phrase because it means you might get your bell rung. DAMMIT... This is so frustrating.

Mike

silvrhand
09-19-2011, 07:47 AM
I just rewound it and watched it again. He clearly led with the shoulder. I'm not a fan of his at all but I hate the powderpuff mentality. We are starting to see the feminization of football. He never even made contact with this helmet, it was all shoulder. As far as I am aware that is legal. He didn't leave his feet and he used his shoulder. If that were JJo we would all be arguing it was a bad call. I know we hate Daunta but that was exactly was a good clean hit.

Mike

Not sure what game or video you are watch but he clearly leads with his head down looking at the ground. The top of his helmet comes first, with his head down he can not see the receiver.

This is just bad form I'm all for big hits with the shoulder but this type of hit like this will just end someone's career including his own.

Rey
09-19-2011, 07:59 AM
I took up for dunta last year, but the guy has to get his head up. I gave him the benefit of the doubt on the hit last year because it was bang, bang.

But before the hit on maclin last night I saw him whiff on a tackle because he was looking straight at the ground and just launched himself.

I think he intends to make impact with his shoulder and not his head, but he has shown a habit if poor technique. Doesn't make sense for him to be trying to spear because that f him up more that someone else.

He needs to get his head up and start form tackling or he may really get hurt.

Showtime100
09-19-2011, 08:05 AM
The whole "defenseless" receiver is just troubling to me. There was a time when Chrissy Collinsworthless would have been screaming about how the QB shouldn't put the receiver in a position like that. Instead we're talking about how the "dirty" defensive player had the gall to hit the receiver AFTER he caught the ball. His hit wasn't all that different from the titans game two years ago. "Going over the middle" is a phrase because it means you might get your bell rung. DAMMIT... This is so frustrating.

Mike

Mike, all due respect, I believe there was intent. The only reason there was shoulder pad at all was because he didn't hit him square with the helmet. It's really pretty cut and dry, IMO.

I agree with you that I want the NFL to try and weed out the horrible and unnecessary flags we all have seen in the name of player safety. Problem is the tightrope it takes to walk that walk perfectly (if you will) is too small. It's almost and probably is an unreachable fine line. We all want the game to be what it was, but it is what it is.

Clear call. If I'm the zebra I throw the flag in good conscience. What surprises me about your interpretation of the replay is it's the slo-mo that will cost Dunta the most moey and longest suspension, if he gets suspended that is. He went after him with the head and apparently didn't care who knew it.

As for Collinsworth, I wish more guys in the booth were like him. I assume you DID hear Fouts blubber on and on yesterday.

See again for yourself in the link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvRKHy0QWZE

DocBar
09-19-2011, 08:07 AM
I just rewound it and watched it again. He clearly led with the shoulder. I'm not a fan of his at all but I hate the powderpuff mentality. We are starting to see the feminization of football. He never even made contact with this helmet, it was all shoulder. As far as I am aware that is legal. He didn't leave his feet and he used his shoulder. If that were JJo we would all be arguing it was a bad call. I know we hate Daunta but that was exactly was a good clean hit.

MikeHe led with the head on my computer and it has rewind, also. I'm from the school that says you slobberknocker WR/TE's coming across the middle, so I don't have a problem with that. My problem with Punk Robinson stems from his actions later in the game, during some extracurricular activity. He showed his ass during that then promptly got said ass burned on a deep pass by the Eagles. He's all hat and no cattle.

Playoffs
09-19-2011, 08:34 AM
Dumbta led with the top of his helmut and kinda whiffed with his arm.

Big fine, maybe suspension.

Ole Miss Texan
09-19-2011, 10:24 AM
Dunta is not a sure tackler that everyone makes him out to be. Yes he puts his body on the line and isn't afraid to make a hit or help out in run support, and for that I commend him for it. But he doesn't wrap up and tackle the player.

He led with his helmet to try and knock the ball loose. I'm all for players trying to hit hard and break up the pass or cause a fumble but Dunta's hit (just like last year against Desean Jackson) looked like he was trying to make the highlight reel and/or even injure the receiver. It was a classless and completely avoidable type of hit.

I've tried to let my emotions of DR's last year with the Texans fade away. And for the most part I have.... but there may be some underlying feeling I have that doesn't want to root for him.

After that hit, I found myself wanting the Eagles to win the game.

He deserves a big fine and a suspension. Repeat offender and it's not on the bubble. It's like he's trying to end the receivers career and that's a bunch of bullsh*t.

Seņor Stan
09-19-2011, 10:56 AM
Hopefully he gets a fine/suspension that makes James Harrison go "Dayyyyyyyammmmnnnn!!!!!"

chicagotexan2
09-19-2011, 10:57 AM
Just saw it. Robinson clearly went head hunting at least that's how I see it.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Why-the-NFL-needs-to-suspend-Falcons-Dunta-Robinson.html

HOU-TEX
09-19-2011, 11:16 AM
I didn't think it was that bad. :shrug:

infantrycak
09-19-2011, 11:27 AM
Just saw it. Robinson clearly went head hunting at least that's how I see it.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Why-the-NFL-needs-to-suspend-Falcons-Dunta-Robinson.html

At least $50k this time. Maybe should be more. He dipped his head and made zero attempt to use either arm to wrap up. Dunta being Dunta.

Double Barrel
09-19-2011, 11:32 AM
Glad he's not on our team. Dude does not even closely deserve no. 1 money. His coverage skills are atrocious, and that's what you really need from your CB. Dude should move to safety if all he has are those hit attempts.

Dutchrudder
09-19-2011, 11:33 AM
They should just make the entire NFL use hard-foam helmets instead of the hard plastic. The problem is the fact that you can turn your helmet into a weapon. Take it out, put in something equally protective, but reduce the impact it has on other players.

Texaninlild
09-19-2011, 11:34 AM
That was clean. He lead with his shoulder. This crap they are talking about on the broadcast. We know he's a receiver Chris... we know you love all receivers but that was a CLEAN hit.

Mike

The fine last year was crap. The fine this year has some merit, but Collingsworth was going on and on. Both announcers were acting like he committed a felony.:overreact:

BigBull17
09-19-2011, 11:37 AM
The fine last year was crap. The fine this year has some merit, but Collingsworth was going on and on. Both announcers were acting like he committed a felony.:overreact:

Yeah, you would have thought he killed a bunch of dogs or something...

Hervoyel
09-19-2011, 11:39 AM
I was happy to see Dunta walk and I'm glad today that he's not a Texan. He's one of those players who's 60% asset and 40% liability. Those guys are fine but Dunta seems to have a knack for screwing up at the worst possible moment.

Plus I've always thought he was a little bit of a turd. I'm glad he's gone.

Showtime100
09-19-2011, 11:40 AM
The fine last year was crap. The fine this year has some merit, but Collingsworth was going on and on. Both announcers were acting like he committed a felony.:overreact:

Yeah, you wuld have thought he killed a bunch of dogs or something...

I said some nice things about Collinsworth above, but I agree with you guys on the call last night. Chris' righteous indignation was over the top.

Hervoyel
09-19-2011, 11:44 AM
I said some nice things about Collinsworth above, but I agree with you guys on the call last night. Chris' righteous indignation was over the top.


Of course it was. He's a television "personality" now and he's got to generate some drama.

Marcus
09-19-2011, 05:37 PM
Per NFLN, $40,000 fine.

infantrycak
09-19-2011, 05:37 PM
$40k fine. Really surprised it wasn't at least $50k.

TexansSeminole
09-19-2011, 06:07 PM
$40k fine. Really surprised it wasn't at least $50k.

Here's the article.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6991968/nfl-fines-dunta-robinson-atlanta-falcons-40k-hit-jeremy-maclin

On the ESPN website it says "Texans 'Robinson fined 40K for Maclin hit."

Wow. Just wow.

:facepalm:

edit: they just now changed it.

axman40
09-19-2011, 06:31 PM
Here's the article.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6991968/nfl-fines-dunta-robinson-atlanta-falcons-40k-hit-jeremy-maclin

On the ESPN website it says "Texans 'Robinson fined 40K for Maclin hit."

Wow. Just wow.

:facepalm:

edit: they just now changed it.
So the Texans beat the Dolphins and Eagles on the same day? SWEET!
:fans:

The1ApplePie
09-19-2011, 06:58 PM
I just rewound it and watched it again. He clearly led with the shoulder. I'm not a fan of his at all but I hate the powderpuff mentality. We are starting to see the feminization of football. He never even made contact with this helmet, it was all shoulder. As far as I am aware that is legal. He didn't leave his feet and he used his shoulder. If that were JJo we would all be arguing it was a bad call. I know we hate Daunta but that was exactly was a good clean hit.

Mike

Its all about the money.

Offense sells tickets, gets ratings, etc. Losing Vick or Manning hurts ratings.

Its the reason that it is still legal to cut block and ear-hole defenders while going helmet-to-helmet against an offensive players is a ticket to Fine City

silvrhand
09-20-2011, 05:39 AM
Its all about the money.

Offense sells tickets, gets ratings, etc. Losing Vick or Manning hurts ratings.

Its the reason that it is still legal to cut block and ear-hole defenders while going helmet-to-helmet against an offensive players is a ticket to Fine City

No, it's all about protecting the players, the more defensive players that continue to play this game of leading with the helmet like Dunta the worse the league will continue to rachet down cause peolple get hurt with leading with the helmet.

I don't agree at all with the defenseless receiver, but I totally agree with the launching yourself with the helmet down on a receiver, cause you are going to hurt/paralyze yourself or the other guy. It's just not good form.

Showtime100
09-20-2011, 06:59 AM
No, it's all about protecting the players, the more defensive players that continue to play this game of leading with the helmet like Dunta the worse the league will continue to rachet down cause peolple get hurt with leading with the helmet.

I don't agree at all with the defenseless receiver, but I totally agree with the launching yourself with the helmet down on a receiver, cause you are going to hurt/paralyze yourself or the other guy. It's just not good form.

JMO, but I believe the NFL cares very little about the NFL player. They have never had a good record of taking care of players and have always shown they will jump through the smallest hoop for an extra half-a-dollar.

I think the reason the NFL is cracking down is for the PR of it all in today's social atmosphere. Otherwise you could bet there would be a circus guy in a top hat outside of every football venue pitching the crowd as they walk by.

"Come and see death-defying recievers as they dare roam the middle with no regard so safety and for your entertainment! You can hear the bones rattle Ladies and Gentlemen. Dare to come and see for yourselves!"

When the player retires the NFL has little to say to them. Sad, but true (imo).

At least today they are getting paid a boatload and if they can keep their grubby little hands off the 7 cars and 3 mansions they should be able to handle personal insurance for life......if.

DocBar
09-20-2011, 07:07 AM
JMO, but I believe the NFL cares very little about the NFL player. They have never had a good record of taking care of players and have always shown they will jump through the smallest hoop for an extra half-a-dollar.

I think the reason the NFL is cracking down is for the PR of it all in today's social atmosphere. Otherwise you could bet there would be a circus guy in a top hat outside of every football venue pitching the crowd as they walk by.

"Come and see death-defying recievers as they dare roam the middle with no regard so safety and for your entertainment! You can hear the bones rattle Ladies and Gentlemen. Dare to come and see for yourselves!"

Sad, but true (imo).MSR. Just look at how the NFL is treating the players that built this league. The NFL cares about nothing but the all-mighty dollar.

Showtime100
09-20-2011, 07:14 AM
MSR. Just look at how the NFL is treating the players that built this league. The NFL cares about nothing but the all-mighty dollar.

Right on. I added a bit to that post when I got to thinking about all the players that can barely walk in their 50's if they can walk at all.

Corrosion
09-20-2011, 07:17 AM
Bleh , I didnt think it was a dirty play .... Dude took a step after the hit and had the ball covered and ducked his shoulder too. That play is what football is all about , knocking the piss outa the opponent.


Its a violent sport and the new rules are way over the line giving the offensive player a huge advantage. When safety rules give one side or the other an advantage or change the nature of the game .... they are not good rules.

Another one i dont like is the "Brady Rule" .... There's a difference between going low to make a football play and going low to injur .... but that leaves the decision open to interpretation by the official , much like the defenseless reciever rule.

The NFL may as well release all their players and sign a bunch of women to play toppless flag football. Not that I want to see the big uglies on the line toppless.

DocBar
09-20-2011, 07:24 AM
Bleh , I didnt think it was a dirty play .... Dude took a step after the hit and had the ball covered and ducked his shoulder too. That play is what football is all about , knocking the piss outa the opponent.


Its a violent sport and the new rules are way over the line giving the offensive player a huge advantage. When safety rules give one side or the other an advantage or change the nature of the game .... they are not good rules.

Another one i dont like is the "Brady Rule" .... There's a difference between going low to make a football play and going low to injur .... but that leaves the decision open to interpretation by the official , much like the defenseless reciever rule.

The NFL may as well release all their players and sign a bunch of women to play toppless flag football. Not that I want to see the big uglies on the line toppless.Regardless of how we feel things should be refereed, the rules are the rules. I've watched the hit 15-20 times and Dunta lowers his head and catches the receivers facemask with the top of his helmet. His face is clearly pointed at the ground. I don't think it was a malicious hit, but I do think it is against the current rules.

Showtime100
09-20-2011, 07:27 AM
Bleh , I didnt think it was a dirty play .... Dude took a step after the hit and had the ball covered and ducked his shoulder too. That play is what football is all about , knocking the piss outa the opponent.


Its a violent sport and the new rules are way over the line giving the offensive player a huge advantage. When safety rules give one side or the other an advantage or change the nature of the game .... they are not good rules.

Another one i dont like is the "Brady Rule" .... There's a difference between going low to make a football play and going low to injur .... but that leaves the decision open to interpretation by the official , much like the defenseless reciever rule.

The NFL may as well release all their players and sign a bunch of women to play toppless flag football. Not that I want to see the big uglies on the line toppless.

Disagree. If a guy tried to hit me like that he better hope I can't get up because he just tried to take me out of the game permanently.

I'm all about knocking the piss out of a player and would be the first in line to do so. I want him to think about what will happen the next time and should be allowed to do so within the rules, but I wouldn't lead with my head (with arms moving backward as if thrusting my head forward I might add). Hell I could be on the short end of that hit if I tried it.

DocBar
09-20-2011, 07:32 AM
Disagree. If a guy tried to hit me like that he better hope I can't get up because he just tried to take me out of the game permanently.

I'm all about knocking the piss out of a player and would be the first in line to do so. I want him to think about what will happen the next time and should be allowed to do so within the rules, but I wouldn't lead with my head (with arms moving backward as if thrusting my head forward I might add). Hell I could be on the short end of that hit if I tried it.I was always taught to lead with my facemask when tackling, then tackle through the player. I would feel differently about this particular play if Dunta hadn't lowered his head.

Showtime100
09-20-2011, 07:36 AM
Fair enough. I was never taught to lead with my face(mask) because our coach wanted us to walk when we grew up, but fair enough. :D

DocBar
09-20-2011, 07:40 AM
Fair enough. I was never taught to lead with my face(mask) because our coach wanted us to walk when we grew up, but fair enough. :DReally? I was taught that from peewee thru high school. Plant your face mask on the side the runner is going, wrap up and tackle through is how I was taught. You can't see the ball carrier if you're looking at the ground. Besides, I'm pretty sure you're better off with your face looking forward as far as neck injuries go.

Showtime100
09-20-2011, 07:53 AM
Really? I was taught that from peewee thru high school. Plant your face mask on the side the runner is going, wrap up and tackle through is how I was taught. You can't see the ball carrier if you're looking at the ground. Besides, I'm pretty sure you're better off with your face looking forward as far as neck injuries go.

I was taught to lead with the shoulder but I don't know if our coaches taught us differently or not. I remember the badge of honor was if your practice jersey had holes on the shoulders indicating you were hitting hard (mine had many..lol), that and the the scars on your helmet. God I miss that. Hated practice, loved the games.

infantrycak
09-20-2011, 09:51 AM
Bleh , I didnt think it was a dirty play .... Dude took a step after the hit and had the ball covered and ducked his shoulder too. That play is what football is all about , knocking the piss outa the opponent.

I don't see how this was not a dirty play. Dunta tried to use his helmet as a weapon. He made no attempt with either arm to wrap up and tackle but he definitely lowered his helmet. I don't see how that is a rule giving an advantage to the offense. All he had to do was form tackle.

I was always taught to lead with my facemask when tackling, then tackle through the player. I would feel differently about this particular play if Dunta hadn't lowered his head.

Generally agree but would rephrase slightly - head up, drive shoulder through and wrap.

Dunta went for a highlight reel hit and he got one, just not the way he wanted.

disaacks3
09-20-2011, 10:17 AM
Really? I was taught that from peewee thru high school. Plant your face mask on the side the runner is going, wrap up and tackle through is how I was taught. You can't see the ball carrier if you're looking at the ground. Besides, I'm pretty sure you're better off with your face looking forward as far as neck injuries go.

Yep. I was told to put the screws on the top of the facemask into his chest and drive through him while wrapping up.

The1ApplePie
09-20-2011, 10:51 AM
No, it's all about protecting the players, the more defensive players that continue to play this game of leading with the helmet like Dunta the worse the league will continue to rachet down cause peolple get hurt with leading with the helmet.

I don't agree at all with the defenseless receiver, but I totally agree with the launching yourself with the helmet down on a receiver, cause you are going to hurt/paralyze yourself or the other guy. It's just not good form.

Protecting the ratings-producing offensive players yes, the defensive players not so much.

See how many "defenseless" defenders get ear-holed every game.

Offense gets the fantasy football and casual fan to tune in every week.

Dread-Head
09-20-2011, 11:48 AM
That was clean. He lead with his shoulder. This crap they are talking about on the broadcast. We know he's a receiver Chris... we know you love all receivers but that was a CLEAN hit.

Mike

Agreed. It was both clean and BEAUTIFUL! Homie made the catch and Dunta came out of nowhere and seemed to say "HELLO.....MOTHERTRUCKA!" and laid that fool the VUGG OUT!

Rey
09-20-2011, 11:59 AM
I was always taught to lead with my facemask when tackling, then tackle through the player. I would feel differently about this particular play if Dunta hadn't lowered his head.

Couldn't agree more and would rep if I could. Your are taught to put your face mask into players and never dip your head.

Watch Dunta....I didn't really notice it until a play earlier in that game, but the dude looks straight at the ground and has the top of his head in spear mode...

I don't think he's trying to kill himself, but he is a little guys and likes to hit and I think his poor technique is the reason for these fines and the reason he whiffs on so many tackles.

Look at the difference between how he and kareem tackle ball carriers. Kareem hits just as hard, but he keeps his head up and wraps up. He doesn't whiff too often on tackles because he leads with his face mask and tackles through the ball carrier while wrapping up. I give KJ a lot of props for his tackling.

El Tejano
09-20-2011, 12:21 PM
All I know is I saw Dunta turned around pointing at the safety asking where he is. That made me think he did it again.

DocBar
09-20-2011, 02:40 PM
Fair enough. I was never taught to lead with my face(mask) because our coach wanted us to walk when we grew up, but fair enough. :DLOL. I've been leading with my chin for most of my life. :fingergun:
I have the scars to prove it, too!! :D