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Negative Jesus
04-24-2005, 12:54 AM
I just saw on Fox 26 that Aaron Glenn has been given permission to seek a trade . Anyone else catch this ? :thumbdown

Andre_Johnson88
04-24-2005, 12:58 AM
I think It's for the best that Glenn goes to another team since we now have a young corner in Buchanon.........

Holden135
04-24-2005, 12:59 AM
i wonder if we could trade him for someone that has already been drafted today. Maybe a 2nd or 3rd round wr.

D-ReK
04-24-2005, 12:59 AM
I didn't see it, but if it true, I'll keep it concise and say that I don't like the direction the organization is headed...

blockhead83
04-24-2005, 01:00 AM
Really hoping that's not the case....I'd hate to lose Glenn.

utahmark
04-24-2005, 01:00 AM
great!!! get rid of our class guys and pick up punks.

TMac48
04-24-2005, 01:02 AM
I really hope we don't let Aaron go. He's a stand-up guy and really represents this organization well. Yeah, he's getting old, but I think we owe it to him to let him finish his career here if he wants to. Yeah, we have Buchanon, but wouldn't it be great if he could learn from Aaron for at least a year before we start him? He didn't really have a mentor in Oakland did he?

TEXANS84
04-24-2005, 01:08 AM
I am going to be extremely negative about this if this is true. Sharper was one thing, but I can't understand how they could let Glenn go. As I was talking to aj this morning, I believe even with a trade, we would still have to absorb 4 million on this years cap.
Bad move.

Glenn can groom PB...not Dunta or Faggins. The combination of Glenn/DR/and PB is one of the best secondarys in the NFL...now we would become average.

I honestly don't know how this team will have improved from last season if this IS true. Sounds like Capers doesn't want to keep his job...and for us to post another sub .500 record.

Youngstown Colt
04-24-2005, 01:11 AM
Don't do it houston!

For your own sake, keep this guy around. Who will mentor Buchanon if he's gone? Dunta? Don't let the inmates run the asylum, keep a few guards on staff.

Negative Jesus
04-24-2005, 01:12 AM
It was a scoop from Berman , and hes usually 100 % legit . I too don't like the direction that the team is headed . It would have been nice to have Aaron and Phillip in the backfield . I just hope that somehow , someway , this whole last week of confusing and questionable moves pans out and starts to make some kind of sense . :confused:

TexanFan881
04-24-2005, 01:13 AM
Jay Foreman, Jamie Sharper, and Aaron Glenn all leaving would make me really mad. Three of the best players we had and we have already lost two. If AG left, I would be extremely dissapointed. CB is the one position the Texans look like they have a leg up on everyone else and if AG leaves then it won't be the same.

TopTexanFan16
04-24-2005, 01:13 AM
i'm very disappointed with this choice....i cant believe there gettin rid of the guys that actually know how to play the game and now how do read and pick apart the defense. he woulda been great out there with D-rob and pb. and been a great mentor. i hope he stays which i dont know how likley that would be. i wonder wat this organization is thinking? is someone else up thier besides mcnair and casserly callin all the plays or wat?

LBblitz
04-24-2005, 01:15 AM
I dont think glenn will go (fingers crossed). We need leadership and he can still be a dominant CB which we will need to combat Indy...the jags got that matt jones kid...he could be trouble.

SA Fan
04-24-2005, 01:34 AM
I don't think any other team would be willing to take his cap hit given his age.
but it is disturbing that Gelnn felt the need to ask for a trade and the team felt they could give it to him.


I disagree with trading glen wholeheartedly

Vinny
04-24-2005, 01:37 AM
We don't know much more than rumor and assumption right now. We probably need to wait till we know more of this story until we come apart at the seams.

utahmark
04-24-2005, 01:55 AM
We don't know much more than rumor and assumption right now. We probably need to wait till we know more of this story until we come apart at the seams.


hope your right. even though he was showing a few signs of slowing down i think he should be a player they keep around as long as possible.

Negative Jesus
04-24-2005, 02:29 AM
April 24, 2005, 12:10AM
This message hard to miss
By RICHARD JUSTICE
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle

Jamie Sharper and Jay Foreman are gone. Aaron Glenn probably will be next. And if Gary Walker didn't get the message, he's not paying attention.

No, the Texans didn't get the player they most wanted in Saturday's NFL draft. They didn't even attempt to sell that story.

South Carolina wide receiver Troy Williamson had the speed and playmaking ability to have an immediate impact. Once he was off the board, the Texans knew this offseason would have some unfinished business.

They got better anyway.

"We've added speed and athletic ability to our defense," Texans coach Dom Capers said. "There's no doubt in my mind we strengthened our football team."

They walked into their draft room Saturday morning with the 13th pick of the first round. They hoped against hope that Williamson would slide to them.

He would have given them the kind of speed they'd love to have opposite Andre Johnson. He would have forced defenses to give Johnson more single coverage and eased the blitz pressure on David Carr.

When the Minnesota Vikings took Williamson with the seventh pick of the day, the Texans scrambled to Plan B.

As general manager Charley Casserly said: "You can't fix everything. You just keep making good decisions and moving forward. If we continue to acquire good football players, we'll be in good shape."

What the Texans did after Williamson was gone speaks well of an organization that has done almost everything right in its three seasons. One of the easiest things for a young organization is to do what's popular instead of what's right.

The Texans appear to have done what's right. If nothing else, they showed how much confidence they have in their blueprint.

They didn't panic. They didn't reach for a player simply to fill a need.

They didn't take Oklahoma offensive tackle Jammal Brown, Florida State offensive tackle Alex Barron or OU wide receiver Mark Clayton. All three could have filled more pressing needs, but they had huge doubts about them.

They didn't take Texas linebacker Derrick Johnson, either. They said all the right things about him because they're sensitive to the many ticket-buying Orangebloods. In the end, though, they have serious doubts about how good he'll be and how he'd fit into their 3-4 defense.

Instead, they moved from 13 to 16, picked up a third-round pick in 2006 and took Florida State defensive tackle Travis Johnson. He seems a huge risk because of off-the-field issues, including a sexual assault charge.

He was acquitted of that charge, and the Texans say they looked into other issues. If nothing else, the notion that the Texans want only Boy Scouts is off the table since Johnson was said to have took a swing at a Minnesota Vikings coach during one of his pre-draft NFL workouts.

"We wouldn't have brought a player in here if there were serious issues," Casserly said. "We researched this thing to death. Everyone said good things about him. We're comfortable he'll fit in here."

Johnson likely will play immediately as part of a three-man tackle rotation with Robaire Smith and Walker. But he won't have the impact that, say, a wide receiver could have. He won't shore up the offensive line, either.

Johnson's arrival means the pressure is on Walker to play better. It's also an admission, of sorts, that the Texans blew it last year when they handed him an $11 million signing bonus.

Glenn is in a more precarious position. With the arrival of cornerback Philip Buchanan in last week's trade with the Raiders, Glenn has been given permission to negotiate with other teams. It seems unlikely he'll return as a backup to Buchanan.

Foreman and Sharper left as part of a linebacker shuffling in which free agent Morlon Greenwood was signed and Antwan Peek inserted as an outside linebacker.

The Texans finished last season 23rd in total defense and 16th in points allowed. They gave up just three touchdowns in their last four games and went 13 quarters without surrendering one.

As Jason Babin and Dunta Robinson got better, as Seth Payne became more healthy, the Texans became more than respectable.

"That's the kind of defense I've wanted us to play since I got here," Capers said.

Now they're even better. They've got a pair of shutdown corners in Buchanan and Robinson. They've got two potential impact pass rushers on the outside in Babin and Peek. And if Johnson creates havoc inside, the Texans may be on their way to being the defense-first team Capers wants.

These moves guarantee them nothing. Ask them about the playoffs, and they remind you they've gotten better every year and that they play in one of the NFL's toughest divisions.

"I think we're right in the middle," Casserly said. "We're not New England, but we're not at the bottom, either. We were 7-9 last season and lost to Minnesota in overtime and Green Bay at the end of the fourth quarter. I think we can compete every week."




Dang !! This dosen't look good .

dirty steve
04-24-2005, 02:32 AM
less typing--
chron.com

D-ReK
04-24-2005, 02:33 AM
LINK (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3150472)

The Texans, who wrapped up day one of their draft by selecting Oklahoma State running back Vernand Morency in the third round, got younger at cornerback last week when they traded a second- and a third-round pick to Oakland in exchange for Phillip Buchanon, and on Saturday, a source said veteran cornerback Aaron Glenn had been given permission to seek a trade, raising doubt as to whether the 33-year-old cornerback will be a Texan this season.

LINK (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3150476)

Jamie Sharper and Jay Foreman are gone. Aaron Glenn probably will be next. And if Gary Walker didn't get the message, he's not paying attention.

Negative Jesus
04-24-2005, 02:34 AM
less typing--
chron.com


dang man my bad , I was just trying to help out the lazy folks . :confused:

TexansTrueFan
04-24-2005, 02:43 AM
i love A. Glenn but i wont question or criticize any of the organizations move until we see if it is for the best or the worse, and no one will know until play off time rolls around next season.

TexanBacker93
04-24-2005, 02:48 AM
Jay Foreman, Jamie Sharper, and Aaron Glenn all leaving would make me really mad. Three of the best players we had and we have already lost two. If AG left, I would be extremely dissapointed. CB is the one position the Texans look like they have a leg up on everyone else and if AG leaves then it won't be the same.


I'd be hard pressed to say Foreman was one of the best players on the team. He made a lot of tackles, but he was far from being great. He's still seeking employment and there are a lot of LB challenged teams out there.

Losing Glenn would hurt, but teams have to make decisions. I seem to remember a lot of Patriot fans complaining and cursing them when they released Lawyer Milloy a week before the season. Then he signs with the Bills and they whip the Pats in week 1. The last laugh....Pats win back to back Super Bowls. The Texans aren't there yet, of course, but you can't be afraid to make changes.

Wolf
04-24-2005, 03:13 AM
personally I don't understand it (if true).. in the NFL you need 3 good corners to compete.. and I feel that if Glenn were to seek a trade, we just became a lot weaker at the CB position.. Would Glenn have any trade value given his contract is high (just like Sharper)?

Ibar_Harry
04-24-2005, 03:25 AM
I posted this earlier well before the news

I still wonder about the Buchannon pick, not because he doesn't have potential, but because of our glaring need at the O-line and particularly center. This move almost implys that AG is done despite what Capers says. We gave up a 2nd round pick that could have been used at least for a O-line center. My hopes were Mankins, but he went a lot higher than many thought. I know Mankins is not a center, but he's a heck of a player. I think injuries have put the Texans in a bad position and they had to toss a coin and defense won. I think with time we are going to find out more about the AG story. Don't take it wrong, I like AG but I think the injuries the last two years are taking a toll. I think he doesn't see it, but they do. Don't be surprised if he retires before the start of the season most likely due to injuries.

I'm beginning to think a little more differently now, but it is something I eluded to in other posts that I have been so vehemitly chastized for. This coaching stafff can not take the heat and criticism and is always blaming the players for what's wrong. It's not the players its the coaching staff and Casserly might just go down the drain with his head coach that he's trusted too much. Casserly has always tried to get the best player available and then Capers has misused the guys talent. Its beginning to look like Sharper knew what he was talking about. Again, when Capers made his comments during the interviews something smelled. As all of you, I hope this is a rumor, but from the body language and what we have been seeing I would say its true. They may come back and patch it up, but you can kiss this year goodbye. I don't believe it would be in the Chronicle if it weren't true. Once again, they might try to patch it up, but you don't fix things like this. When will McNair say something after all he stated that David was going to be protected this year. I haven't seen any signs of protection, yet. I'm ticked off, because we had something good going after the 2nd year and it all went down the drain. I believe Capers is the heart and soul of all the problems. It really is time for him to go.......................................

Grid
04-24-2005, 03:28 AM
....... Ok.. anyone who hangs around here much knows im usually pretty dang positive about the Texans and everything they do, but even I am having troubles with this one.

The only silver lining I can imagine, is maybe we are doing it out of respect for Glenn. maybe he didnt want to get replaced by the young gun, was unhappy, and so we gave him permission to seek a trade if he would rather play elsewhere..

That still doesnt make me feel any better though. If we couldnt get anything for the 31 year old Sharper who has been at the top, or led, the league in tackles every year since our inception.. then what makes us think we will get anything for 33 year old Glenn who was only a little above average last year and was coming off an injury?

If this goes down... I will not bad mouth the organization, or foresee doom in our future.. but I will be keeping a very close eye on how this effects us, and whether or not we have made this move too soon.

This offseason is looking alot like a "coming of age" for our team. The training wheels (Sharper, Glenn) are off.. and its time for our young team to become men, so to speak. But cutting Glenn? We have that much faith in Buchanan? I know I dont... and one great season from a rookie (Robinson) does not necessarily mean that he is going to maintain that kind of production for the rest of his career.. a young egocentric ballhawking CB that doesnt know our system, and a struggling rookie... that doesnt sound like a good combination in this division. Glenn is the glue holding our secondary together.

On top of that.. he is without a doubt the classiest guy on our team.. and widely respected by the fans. If you want to become as popular as the Cowboys in Texas.. you can start by NOT cutting players like that.


If Glenn leaves.. my 10-6 prediction is changing to 8-8.. and ill be crossing my fingers for that... it would simply be TOO MUCH change for a young team that is still struggling to be consistent.


Bah.. at the beggining of this thread I said i wouldnt be forseeing doom for our future and I already am :P. im just gonna shutup and let this play out.

Hervoyel
04-24-2005, 09:47 AM
I just saw on Fox 26 that Aaron Glenn has been given permission to seek a trade. Anyone else catch this ? :thumbdown

Second thing the Texans have done in 24 hours that I disagree with strongly. 2005 is shaping up to be quite a year so far.

MIGHTYTEX
04-24-2005, 09:54 AM
I saw Capers on NFL network on Saturday night and they talked to him about the PB trade. His response was "now we have 2 young CBs in PB and DR both with great speed and ability to be shut down CBs."

Sounded to me that AG has already lost his starting spot. I'd hate to see him go but the question is do we really want a player to be around if he doesn't want to or feels like he's needed?

Hervoyel
04-24-2005, 09:59 AM
....... Ok.. anyone who hangs around here much knows im usually pretty dang positive about the Texans and everything they do, but even I am having troubles with this one.

The only silver lining I can imagine, is maybe we are doing it out of respect for Glenn. maybe he didnt want to get replaced by the young gun, was unhappy, and so we gave him permission to seek a trade if he would rather play elsewhere..

That still doesnt make me feel any better though. If we couldnt get anything for the 31 year old Sharper who has been at the top, or led, the league in tackles every year since our inception.. then what makes us think we will get anything for 33 year old Glenn who was only a little above average last year and was coming off an injury?

If this goes down... I will not bad mouth the organization, or foresee doom in our future.. but I will be keeping a very close eye on how this effects us, and whether or not we have made this move too soon.

This offseason is looking alot like a "coming of age" for our team. The training wheels (Sharper, Glenn) are off.. and its time for our young team to become men, so to speak. But cutting Glenn? We have that much faith in Buchanan? I know I dont... and one great season from a rookie (Robinson) does not necessarily mean that he is going to maintain that kind of production for the rest of his career.. a young egocentric ballhawking CB that doesnt know our system, and a struggling rookie... that doesnt sound like a good combination in this division. Glenn is the glue holding our secondary together.

On top of that.. he is without a doubt the classiest guy on our team.. and widely respected by the fans. If you want to become as popular as the Cowboys in Texas.. you can start by NOT cutting players like that.


If Glenn leaves.. my 10-6 prediction is changing to 8-8.. and ill be crossing my fingers for that... it would simply be TOO MUCH change for a young team that is still struggling to be consistent.


Bah.. at the beggining of this thread I said i wouldnt be forseeing doom for our future and I already am :P. im just gonna shutup and let this play out.

You want a silver lining here Grid? I'll give you one (and I agree with you one being really worried where this Glenn report is concerned).

Here's my silver lining. "2002"

Our defense in 2002 was put together very quickly out of veterans. many of whom were not exactly HOF players at their positions. We had some kick butt corners but our FS/SS were pretty darn pathetic. Linebackers were also a mix of pretty good players (Sharper) and duds (Foreman) or good guys playing new positions (Wong). The thing is Capers put his defense in during one off season and in no time these guys were putting it on teams that never saw them coming.

The silver lining is that this many changes on the defense isn't going to disrupt things nearly as badly as it would have on the other side of the ball. I don't want to lose Glenn this year and think it's a really bad idea to let this guy go. If they do though Capers & Co. can create a defense "McGyver style" out of some chewing gum and a paper clip. They're that good. Remember how in 2003 they lost pretty much every starting lineman we had who was any good and by the end of the season they had scrubs playing well? It happened. In the last couple of games they had guys signed offf the street getting it done.

The D will be alright without Aaron Glenn. It won't be the same though. Sharper was a loss but I understood the necessity. This is unnecessary and a waste of resources. Glenn and Robinson should be the starters with Buchanon the first one of the bench. Then in a year or two when Glenn is starting to slow down he should rotate with PB shortly before ridingg off into the sunset as one of the original Houston Texans.

Marcus
04-24-2005, 10:15 AM
As soon as I heard about the Buchanan trade, I immediately thought that Glenn would be a June 1st salary cap casualty. I'm still holding to that prediction. AG is 33, and is on the downside of his career, and cap managment rules the day.

And Gary Walker should be seeing the big bold writing on the wall.

Wolf
04-24-2005, 10:30 AM
when I read this .. this came to mind

*clears throat ..uhhuummmm*

(in my best Yoda voice)

"Disturbing this is... Always two there are ..a master and an apprentice* (casserly and capers)


:wacko:

Dime
04-24-2005, 10:40 AM
What is the deal with you all.. This is getting old really quick.

Giving Glenn premission to seek a trade is a AWESOME decision. I really like Gleen too, but you all including me have noticed how from the first year here, to the second year to last year, Glenn has been coming off his game a bit. He still is VERY GOOD, but he is starting to lose a step... We all have seen it. Why not trade him to another team while he still has value and pick up a pick or two next year. He probably only have a good year or 2 left before he really loses a step, so we can get a good value for him right now. Come on folks... you have seen it.. so have I. and this makes more sense then letting him set on the bench and mentor.

nunusguy
04-24-2005, 10:45 AM
Its not a business predicated on making decisions that are popular with
the fan base. If it were, they would taken DJ yesterday at 13. Afterall,
in the long term the only thing that will make the fans happy and keep them happy is winning.
PB, Greenwood, Peek, and T.Johnson(see you around G.Walker) will be starting together at some point this fall (if not in September) and Wong will be playing inside to make room for Peek at weakside OLB. That's the
changes that are apparent "so far". With these changes and others that
may follow, maybe we won't see the D lay down and quit as they did several
times last year like in Denver.

Texansbacker
04-24-2005, 10:49 AM
when I read this .. this came to mind

*clears throat ..uhhuummmm*

(in my best Yoda voice)

"Disturbing this is... Always two there are ..a master and an apprentice* (casserly and capers)


:wacko:


I was hoping that PB would be AG's apprentice. It could still happen after Glenn finds out that there are few teams who would like to take on his large salary and the probably steep terms it would take to make a trade. Perhaps the team is just humoring Glenn who presumably feels he has not lost a step (no interest from other teams would help adjust his attitude) and management intends to keep him for this season at the very least.

Or at least that is my hope. I would hope we can keep him at least this year for leadership, experience and quality depth; then let him take a pay cut or retire the following year or two.

MikeMc
04-24-2005, 11:04 AM
Once again the public is duped and noone realizes it. What were CC & DC saying about the PB trade?? That you need 3 outstanding CBs to compete in the AFC, let alone the AFC South. They knew the fans would be upset to get such a "wreckless" cancer like PB, so they spin it into a "PB will learn from AG and will provide a solid 3-man CB tandem". It all sounded so great, that the Nickel and Dime packages would rate among the tops in the NFL.

Now then --- back to reality -- the team's salary cap is needing a good close shave, so the veterns are the ones to start dropping. First the LBs (Foreman & Sharper) next comes Glenn. If the Texans draft another DL today (4th, 5th, 6th, two 7ths), I will start to wonder if Payne or Walker will be given their chance to seek a trade. The defense has not lived up to the Dom Capers mold, constantly ranked in the bottom half, so lets burn the barn and kill all the rats! Start fresh and build this thing up from the bottom. I'm sure McNair doesn't mind, cutting the payroll helps him out as well, plus the Texans fans are pretty loyal now, so they will still fill the stadium. It just seems like the Offense and Defense compete against each other instead of working with / complementing each other. Things need to change quick, fast, and in a hurry!

vtech9
04-24-2005, 11:04 AM
One possibility that crosses my mind is something that noone else has mentioned here. Maybe the Texans are letting Glenn seek a trade to see what his market value is. What I'm getting at is this...if Glenn doesn't draw much interest, maybe he will be willing to rework his contract to stay on, but if he does draw alot of interest, the Texans will get relief on the salary cap and pick up a few draft picks as well.

I can't say that I really like the thought of losing Glenn, but the NFL is still a business and there is nothing I can do about it. My best case scenario is that Glenn stays on and teaches Buchannon how to be a better CB, and then retires after either this season or next.

Texans Pride
04-24-2005, 11:07 AM
I am not a coach; I am merely a fan. Maybe I donít understand all the ins and outs that the coaches put together, but what I do understand is that teaching is a fundamental aspect of life.

Maybe Glenn is on the very wrong side of 30, and perhaps he has lost that very important step that made him a full time reliable starter. But what he hasnít lost is his ability to teach and mentor our stars of tomorrow. In my opinion Glenn should be held onto for another year. Let him be the clutch player in situations that Robinson and Buchanan may not be able to step into yet, let him mentor these two until every bit of knowledge has been absorbed from him. I am just not comfortable putting all of our eggs into these two young baskets just yet. Maybe Capers and Casserly feel that they still have Marcus Colman and that he can be a mentor for those two young men?

I do understand the business side of it. As a fan we get emotionally attached to these players. They were the first faces of our franchise, and itís tough to imagine them not being in a Houston Texans uniform. On the other side, I also see the need to advance this team anyway possible. Iím sure the management feels this is the best way to upgrade our team, even if it means dealing ďthe faces of the franchiseĒ. I am not questioning their intent, but as a fan, I do question whether or not this is the right time to do it.

Perhaps this is their master plan from the beginning. When they picked up Buchanan, they felt they shored up the corner positions. Perhaps the plan is to trade Aaron Glenn for that missing center that we need to shore up the offensive line, or perhaps a wide receiver to take the pressure off of AJ. Aaron Glenn could be bait to bring in another player that we need. I just hope the timing is right, and that the value of Glenn is worth all of this.

Anyone who ever said this off season was boring has got a ridiculous definition of exciting.

arm03c
04-24-2005, 11:30 AM
It's almost impossible to trade or release Gary Walker. His cap hit for next year's cap would probably cause us much more hell than it's worth to keep him. If Aaron Glenn gets traded, it's gonna be for like a 4th rounder... and honestly, that's more than we would have had if we just let him go June 1st, which seemed very obvious to me. Capers isn't gonna keep Glenn around. He wants the defense faster, which he accomplished, and more athletic, also accomplished. Glenn is very old now, and his time has come. He's going to take this with dignity just like he did every other day in a Texans uniform, and I think that we're doing him justice to seek a trade than to just simply release him.

DRIFTAWAY
04-24-2005, 11:36 AM
I wouldnt have minded if we were to trade Aaron Glenn for lets say a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but thats out of the possibility now. Also, after acquiring PB our secondary was supposed to be very strong, but getting rid of Glenn would make us lose even more depth(we already dont have enough depth) but also take a big part away from us being this strong secondary, with Glenn gone our secondary would remain at best, like last years. What if PB doesnt work out or gets hurt again? Than we'd have to turn to Faggins as a starter. What about moving Glenn to SS?

Tulip
04-24-2005, 11:38 AM
This is disappointing. I was really excited about having all 3 corners. But I should have been listening to what management was saying a little more closely - then I wouldn't have been surprised.

Nawzer
04-24-2005, 11:49 AM
I would hate for us to loose Glenn even if he isn't the player he once was. Casserly himself said that you cannot afford to become a young team all of a sudden, we need to have veteran players who know how to play the game. We are still a very young team and we need A.G. to stick around for a few more years. I think this is a serious issue and hopefully they can resolve it before it becomes a p.r. nightmare.

nunusguy
04-24-2005, 11:53 AM
But what he hasnít lost is his ability to teach and mentor our stars of tomorrow. In my opinion Glenn should be held onto for another year.
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Good idea - hire him as a coach.
.[/QUOTE]
As a fan we get emotionally attached to these players. [/QUOTE]
Get a pet and let the Texans concentrate on developing a team with a
winning record that gets into the palyoffs.

Texans Pride
04-24-2005, 11:58 AM
Get a pet and let the Texans concentrate on developing a team with a winning record that gets into the palyoffs.

Isn't that why we have Toro?

JustBonee
04-24-2005, 12:04 PM
If Jamie Sharper was expendable, so is Aaron Glenn. For all the same reasons!

El Tejano
04-24-2005, 01:06 PM
Does anyone remember how many games Glenn missed last season? I do remember he had some bad hammies and that could be an issue and we may be forced to play most of the season without him anyway.

Grid
04-24-2005, 01:16 PM
my problem with Glenn being traded/cut is not that we cant live without his skills.

I am not sure PB will be able to give us 16 solid games.. he may get injured, or he may continue his bad habit of going for the interception instead of covering his guy, OR he may just have a hard time learning our system. If any of that happens.. WHO do we have that can replace him? Faggins? I love Faggins but he isnt ready to be a full time starter.. not if we wanna be competitive.

On top of that.. losing Glenn means we lose the great mismatch of having Buchanan or Glenn playing Nickle.

and about Glenn's abilities sliding.. 2003 he was injured.. ALOT.. 2004 we got the 5 yard rule and EVERY CB in the league had issues. Careful that we dont mistake that for Glenn getting old and not being able to play anymore.

Ibar_Harry
04-24-2005, 02:18 PM
When DROB came in AG put him under his wing and did everything he could to help the young man develop. That is the sign of someone loyal to the organization. Everything we have ever seen has pointed to a person who has done nothing but try to help the organization and the community. I disagree totally with this move and I think it speaks volumes about the Texans and the coaching staff. I still believe there is much more to this story than all of us are seeing and I believe it points straight at Capers. I do not believe he is head coaching material.

Davis37
04-24-2005, 02:22 PM
When DROB came in AG put him under his wing and did everything he could to help the young man develop. That is the sign of someone loyal to the organization. Everything we have ever seen has pointed to a person who has done nothing but try to help the organization and the community. I disagree totally with this move and I think it speaks volumes about the Texans and the coaching staff. I still believe there is much more to this story than all of us are seeing and I believe it points straight at Capers. I do not believe he is head coaching material.

I agree that Glenn has done nothing but shown alot of class. If the Texans cut him, they will have become a big pile of **** in my eyes. He still has alot to teach DROB and PB, and he has be loyal to the Texans from day 1. They should at least have the respect to give him 1 more year here then let him retire if thats what he wants.

DocBar
04-24-2005, 02:53 PM
Wow!! Lot's of good posts on here. I'm kinda content to hide and watch. The coaches have access to a lot of info we aren't privy to, so maybe they saw some things they were concerened about with AG. Like everyone else, I want him to stay. I'm not so sure he's lost much of a step or that 33 is old(I'm 35 LOL). Experience is a value that cannot be coached. AG KNOWS how to read a QB and jump routes. He also knows his limitations by now. All that being said, I want to see how it all plays out. This defense showed flashes of brilliance since the team started playing, but showed consistency in being burned on big plays and 3rd and long. Some of that is the offenses blame for too many 3 and outs. Some of it is simply not enough talent on the field. I also think you have to lay some blame at players not playing up to their own potential or goals (some guys simply laid down and quit). If nothing else, the moves this off-season will create some competition and serve notice that if you don't perform, you don't get paid(by the Texans, anyway). Not a bad model to work from. That's along the lines of the Patroits and we all know what they've accomplished the last 4 years.

THEFUTURE
04-24-2005, 02:53 PM
this is what i think is gonna be happening, they are gonna let glenn see what the market is like, with not much real intention of trading him. they will let him see no team wants to take on 4 mil this year 4.25 next and 5 mil the year after,, for a 32 year old CB... the texans then will restructure glenn's contract to keep him here

WWJD
04-24-2005, 03:00 PM
[QUOTE=arm03c] Glenn is very old now, and his time has come.


Well to this 48 year old he seems very young at 32 or 33 whichever age he is.

I'm not laughing at you but this statement struck me as so funny..... :)

TEXANS84
04-24-2005, 03:09 PM
Texans | Glenn Granted Permission to Seek Trade - from www.KFFL.com
Sun, 24 Apr 2005 07:44:24 -0700

Carlton Thompson, of the Houston Chronicle, reports a source said the Houston Texans have granted CB Aaron Glenn permission to seek a trade this offseason.

So the granted makes me believe that Aaron wants out.

Marcus
04-24-2005, 03:17 PM
Texans | Glenn Granted Permission to Seek Trade - from www.KFFL.com
Sun, 24 Apr 2005 07:44:24 -0700

Carlton Thompson, of the Houston Chronicle, reports a source said the Houston Texans have granted CB Aaron Glenn permission to seek a trade this offseason.

So the granted makes me believe that Aaron wants out.

They also granted Foreman and Sharper permission to seek trades. Don't read too much in how it's worded.

F-minus67
04-24-2005, 03:19 PM
I need to stop going to work, I miss to much news like this.

edo783
04-24-2005, 05:54 PM
I wonder if they asked Arron to become the nickle back and that is what POed him? He has said that he would be willing to be the nickle hen the time as right. Maybe he thinks it's to soon. Sometime hard for guys to see (or admit) that they are getting older. I want Glenn to be here, he is to valulable from a teacher/experience standpoint and I suspect that PB will need ALOT of teaching to get the best out of him. Hopefully this will workout with Glenn staying.

Hervoyel
04-24-2005, 06:05 PM
What is the deal with you all.. This is getting old really quick.

Giving Glenn premission to seek a trade is a AWESOME decision. I really like Gleen too, but you all including me have noticed how from the first year here, to the second year to last year, Glenn has been coming off his game a bit. He still is VERY GOOD, but he is starting to lose a step... We all have seen it. Why not trade him to another team while he still has value and pick up a pick or two next year. He probably only have a good year or 2 left before he really loses a step, so we can get a good value for him right now. Come on folks... you have seen it.. so have I. and this makes more sense then letting him set on the bench and mentor.

The only thing I want to say here is that no, we won't be picking up a draft pick or two next year. We're getting nothing for Glenn just like we got nothing for Sharper. The Texans are giving him permission to seek a trade but nobody is going to make an offer for him because they know come June 1st Glenn's going to be a much cheaper signing once we release him.

keyfro
04-24-2005, 06:13 PM
the only thing that bugs me about this is at first we were told that glenn didn't have a problem with this that he was looking forward to the competition and now we're hearing the opposite...i mean do all of our veteran players hate the idea of competeing for their position...i've always believed that competition builds the character of a team...and if our veteran players like aaron glenn, jay foreman, and jamie sharper don't like the idea of having to compete for a starting job then maybe we are better without them...and i hope gary walker and seth payne get the idea...not to mention every body on the starting o-line...i hate to get this feeling that none of our starters feel that they should have to compete...it gives us, the fans, a feeling that maybe our players aren't competing on the field as well

texansfan1974
04-24-2005, 06:25 PM
If we keep getting rid of all our leaders and bringing in thugs will they change
our name to the HOUSTON RAIDERS? :confused:

TopTexanFan16
04-24-2005, 06:50 PM
haha thats exactly wat i was thinking were siging a bunch of punks IMO but i cant judge until i see them on the feild and in the community but time will tell

THEFUTURE
04-24-2005, 06:50 PM
how many thugs have we brought in? i wouldnt call Buchanon a thug. does he boast a lot, sure. i mean anyone that calls themselves "showtime" must think highly of himself and believes in his abilities. He is close friends with Andre Johnson, and i wouldnt say AJ is a bad guy, would anyone? so obviously AJ knows something about this kid, at least enough to associate with him... the organization has never had a character that said "look at me" kinda attitude, but maybe thats an attitude we need, the Texans need to start having an attitude and making the league taking notice that the texans are not a expansion team anymore... does this mean we have to let glenn go, no... i would rather his contract be renegotiated, and im curious to why we wouldnt have drafted another back if the team was planning on letting Glenn go... but to call PB a thug and make this his fault is harsh, if glenn wasnt about to be let go, everyone would still be high on buchanon

texanfan2002114
04-24-2005, 06:56 PM
does this mean we have to let glenn go, no... i would rather his contract be renegotiated


Generally when a team gives a player permission to seek a trade, the team has tried to rework the deal and the player isn't willing to redo the contract.

Thats what happened with Sharper.

TopTexanFan16
04-24-2005, 06:57 PM
well wat bout TJ now im not callin him a punk cause his assult charge but he tends have some anger issues and gets frustrated to easily. how will that contribute when hes on the feild and gets mad cause he cant get the job done ah but again i cant criticize till i see em play but i just dont like this i have a bad feeling. buch well he seems really confident and thats a good thing until u become cocky and hes def. headed in that direction. i think glenn coulda taught him alot and helped him become a better leader than an "all that" cause thats wat he thinks he is but i have to wait to see how good he is on the feild.

THEFUTURE
04-24-2005, 07:06 PM
Generally when a team gives a player permission to seek a trade, the team has tried to rework the deal and the player isn't willing to redo the contract.

Thats what happened with Sharper.
like i have said, they will let Glenn test the market, when glenn realizes he cant get much from it, he will rework his contract... and if he does find something that the texans like, then bye bye glenn... but there is still plenty of work that can be done with glenn.

well wat bout TJ now im not callin him a punk cause his assult charge but he tends have some anger issues and gets frustrated to easily. how will that contribute when hes on the feild and gets mad cause he cant get the job done ah but again i cant criticize till i see em play but i just dont like this i have a bad feeling. buch well he seems really confident and thats a good thing until u become cocky and hes def. headed in that direction. i think glenn coulda taught him alot and helped him become a better leader than an "all that" cause thats wat he thinks he is but i have to wait to see how good he is on the feild.

The assault charges were bull in the first place, the charges were acquitted when it was realized he had previous relations with the woman in the first place... and if he has anger then good, he can use it on the field, he will learn to control it... and buchanon is legit, i watch him almost everygame since i live out in the bay area, the guy can play... and there had never really been any knocks against him until this year when he complained that he didnt feel welcome in Oakland, and the team wasnt headed in a good direction... PB will be fine, he has one of his best friends here in AJ and one of the best CB coaches in Hoke here in houston... he will be good

JustBonee
04-24-2005, 08:05 PM
The talk of Aaron Glenn sticking around to be a teacher to Phillip Buchanon or even Travis Johnson .. that's nonsense. I doubt that PB wants to be taught by AG. He no doubt is pretty secure in his own talent and ability, and he is coming here to show AG up! Would you teach your competition how to take your job away? Coaches can do the teaching. That's what they're paid for.

Davis37
04-24-2005, 08:14 PM
The talk of Aaron Glenn sticking around to be a teacher to Phillip Buchanon or even Travis Johnson .. that's nonsense. I doubt that PB wants to be taught by AG. He no doubt is pretty secure in his own talent and ability, and he is coming here to show AG up! Would you teach your competition how to take your job away? Coaches can do the teaching. That's what they're paid for.

1) Who ever said hes gonna be a mentor to Travis Johnson? He will be a mentor to PB if hes still here and if PB has ANY sense he will listen. If you were a young player in the NFL and "wasnt playing to your potential", wouldnt you want to get taught by one of the best players in the league at your position?

2)AG is a stand up guy. He knows his career is coming to a close, and Im sure he has no problem in teaching the "young bucks" the tricks of the trade. Coaches do get paid to teach, but would you rather listen to a coach, or a person that actually does what he teaches? IMO i would rather learn from an expert at my position than a coach. (I would listen to both of course)

THEFUTURE
04-24-2005, 08:19 PM
1) Who ever said hes gonna be a mentor to Travis Johnson? He will be a mentor to PB if hes still here and if PB has ANY sense he will listen. If you were a young player in the NFL and "wasnt playing to your potential", wouldnt you want to get taught by one of the best players in the league at your position?


playing to potential? its not like PB has come into the league and stunk it up, he had 55 tackles and 3 picks, and is a avg punt returner with a career avg of 11 yards... i wouldnt exactly say he has been playing sub par

JustBonee
04-24-2005, 08:26 PM
Aaron Glenn is a stand up guy! No doubt! But have you not noticed that football players (like everyone else) do not know when their time is up? .. It's human nature. Pride takes over, and then you have them embarrassing themselves. Emmitt Smith comes to mind.

Negative Jesus
04-24-2005, 09:51 PM
Aaron Glenn is a stand up guy! No doubt! But have you not noticed that football players (like everyone else) do not know when their time is up? .. It's human nature. Pride takes over, and then you have them embarrassing themselves. Emmitt Smith comes to mind.

I dont believe that Aaron is quite at the Emmit level though . I think he has some good quality productive years left in him .

edo783
04-24-2005, 10:52 PM
I dont believe that Aaron is quite at the Emmit level though . I think he has some good quality productive years left in him .

While that is likely true, he may have difficulty seeing his career coming to an end and having to step back. Perhaps he was asked to move towrds the nickle DB spot and isn't yet willing to admit it might be time. It's hard for anyone to see the shift to others and it seems it is especially hard for pro athletes.

WWJD
04-25-2005, 09:07 AM
Emmitt never embarrassed himself. I don't get that analogy at all. He had a decent time in Arizona. Nothing special but embarrassing? Nope, not to me anyway.

TheOgre
04-25-2005, 10:28 AM
Emmitt never embarrassed himself. I don't get that analogy at all. He had a decent time in Arizona. Nothing special but embarrassing? Nope, not to me anyway.

You obviously don't remember the first few games in 2003. It seems like Emmitt had about a 2.0 YPC average and was struggling just to get to the line. Didn't he have like 10 carries for -7 yards against the Cowboys. He did redeem himself in 2004, but the guy I saw in 2003 was an embarrassment.

WWJD
04-25-2005, 12:36 PM
Well we see things differently then. I don't think the guy embarrassed himself in Arizona and you do.

TheOgre
04-25-2005, 01:09 PM
Look at these by game stats. After the first two games he was awful. He was just pathetic that year:
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1094/gamelogs/2003

infantrycak
04-25-2005, 01:14 PM
Look at these by game stats. After the first two games he was awful. He was just pathetic that year:
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1094/gamelogs/2003


No, he wasn't pathetic, the Cardinals were. I'm with WWJD on this one. LT wasn't pathetic last year even though he only gained 3.9 ypc. Has to be looked at in perspective.

CaptainPatriot
04-25-2005, 01:57 PM
I dont think glenn will go (fingers crossed). We need leadership and he can still be a dominant CB which we will need to combat Indy...the jags got that matt jones kid...he could be trouble.

He will go back to Jets

fball
04-25-2005, 03:31 PM
This news also makes me mad, yeah he is getting older and losing a step, but he still is not bad, I could just imagine having glenn, buchanon, robinson, coleman, and earl in a 5 man rotation, for atleast a year while glenn teaches buchanon like he taught robinson, I mean robinson was great last year for a rookie and I think a large part of that is because of glenn not the coaches! :wacko:

THEFUTURE
04-25-2005, 03:51 PM
did glenn help dunta yeah, but dunta was a rookie... and had also a great CB coach... Buchanon is a three year player going into year 4, he doesnt need to be taught much, and doesnt need a mentor, someone to keep his attitude in check, sure. but no one to teach him how to play... he knows how to play the game

texanfan2002114
04-25-2005, 04:00 PM
This news also makes me mad, yeah he is getting older and losing a step, but he still is not bad, I could just imagine having glenn, buchanon, robinson, coleman, and earl in a 5 man rotation, for atleast a year while glenn teaches buchanon like he taught robinson, I mean robinson was great last year for a rookie and I think a large part of that is because of glenn not the coaches! :wacko:

1st off you have to be damn good DB to be drafted in the top 10. 2nd teams started to throw to Glenn's side of the ball because they knew he lost a step. I watched from my seats inside Reliant and watched time and time again Glenn getting burned or out of postion.

DRob was going to be a great DB with or with out Glenn here. There is a certain time that teams have to make choices players and I think CC and Capers are deciding now to get ride of Glenn before he really hurts the team.

F-minus67
04-25-2005, 04:21 PM
Why is everyone getting on Buchanan's case, he is your typical miami guy exelent athletes and a shameless self promoters, not counting AJ who is in the minority. I mean look at Portis he wore a fake WWF championship belt when he was in Denver and I won't even start on Micheal Irvin. I also think that a lot of people aren't giving Dunta enough credit, he had to have some skill to be the 10th overall pick. I know we need three good CBs, but doesn't Faggins deserve a fair shot at being the nickle back since he has done it for the past couple of years.

TheOgre
04-25-2005, 04:24 PM
Marcel Shipp, who cannot be confused with a HOF, got 3.6 YPC compared to Emmitt's 2.8 in 2003. If 2.8 YPC average isn't "pathetic", then you have no grasp of the term. He should have retired 2 years earlier.


http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1094

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/237430

G-Man
04-25-2005, 04:47 PM
i think the main reason they are getting rid of the veterans is so they can get some compensation picks for the future. That way you will get a couple of third round players for there loss, they are worth third rounders now, if you wait till next year they will not be worth high compensation picks.

Vinny
04-25-2005, 05:38 PM
I just heard Capers and got the impression we let Glenn do this at his request. He said he would accommodate him if he was uncomfortable.....apparently he is. I think some of us here made a ton of assumptions.

blockhead83
04-25-2005, 05:50 PM
I would've thought Glenn would be confident he would beat out Buchanon. I have little doubt in my mind that Glenn and DRob would start, with Buchanon coming in for nickel and dime packages. Maybe this has something to do with us letting Sharper and Foreman go. These vets develop respect for one another, and Glenn may feel like the Texans aren't handling the situation with their vets very well. Hopefully he changes his mind, I'd hate to lose him. I was really looking forward to seeing our three starting caliber CB's face off against the Colts.

TheOgre
04-25-2005, 05:51 PM
I knew that Glenn requested a trade, but I don't see him willing to compete for a job. I still think he forces their hand. I hope I am wrong. I would love to have Robinson, Glenn, Buchanon, and Faggins this season.

texan279
04-25-2005, 05:53 PM
We should have got something for Sharper and we didn't and I have a feeling no one bites on Glenn, especially with all of the CB's that went in the draft, if we get anything for him, it won't be much...No one is gonna give much for a 33 year old CB who carries a huge cap hit, just my :twocents:

texansfan4life
04-25-2005, 06:03 PM
dude the team was 7-9 and most of them where old let them go and get new blood in here

texansfan4life
04-25-2005, 06:05 PM
he get beat alot plus he has lost a step please look at the game more closely

infantrycak
04-25-2005, 06:20 PM
he get beat alot plus he has lost a step please look at the game more closely

Really, enlighten us on all these plays he got beat on and that show he lost a step?--thanks for helping those of us who don't watch the games closely. By the way did Bailey lose a step last year? Ya think just maybe the new rule emphasis had something to do with the way CB's performed?

MojoMan
04-25-2005, 06:22 PM
We are not currently under any kind of salary cap pressure for the upcoming year. The team is not improved by Aaron leaving, unless he does not want to be here. I hope he chooses to stay.

Despite all the quick presumptions that he is being booted off of the team, it increasingly appears that this is not the case, and that it is Aaron's choice to stay or go. However, if he chooses to stay, he will have to compete for his spot at CB.

I would expect that if he does choose to stay, he and Robinson go into camp as the starting CB's, and Buchanon goes in at second string. However, Buchanon will have a real opportunity to take the starting spot from Aaron, and may even be expected to do that. With the problems that Buchanon had last year, it does not seem like it would be a bad idea for him to begin the year in a backup role, and work himself into a starters position as he establishes himself on the team.

TexansTrueFan
04-25-2005, 06:25 PM
A.G is still an awesome corner back, and can really help our young defense this year, i have a weird feeling he'll be back for the 05 season but he might be sharing time with PB and L. Sanders.

texansfan88
04-25-2005, 07:00 PM
I guess very few of you caught what happened friday when AG didn't show up to workouts upset that they had Buchannon being a Texan.

AG was mad that he didnt fit the hard worker mentality the texans are, and flat out doesnt want him here.

So in essence, that is your ticket to ride

texasguy346
04-25-2005, 07:03 PM
I was hoping things could be ironed out between them, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen.

TexansTrueFan
04-25-2005, 07:07 PM
well Oak has never been a friendly place, i think the change of scenory will do PB good, i just hope A.G gives him a chance.

jr0ck
04-25-2005, 07:14 PM
don't know if glenn knew PB prior to them becoming teamates, but if this is his first experience with him, then it doesn't speak to highly of glenn to not give him a chance. maybe he's not the consumate team player he's been perceived as...or just getting old and grumpy :heh: in all fairness i hope something gets worked out so the inferred locker room tension will disolve before the sunday's start getring chalked up in the W/L column...

SESupergenius
04-25-2005, 07:19 PM
This smells more and more like a locker room implosion. First Sharper, then Glenn, and we draft TJ to compete with Walker. There has to be more to this.

texasguy346
04-25-2005, 07:20 PM
I can understand why Glenn would be upset. He's seen some of the guys he's played with for the past few years be let go in favor of younger and faster guys. Then he learns that the Texans picked up a younger and faster CB in PB. Maybe he saw it as a message to him that he was next to go, or maybe he's a little more sensitive after having some of his teamates being let go. Either way I can understand his frustration. His pride has been injured, and man will do drastic things in order to preserve it. I still hope there is a solution to this problem where Glenn can remain a Texan, but it's appearing less likely.

texan279
04-25-2005, 07:23 PM
I have a feeling Glenn won't be a Texan for much longer, I mean he probably already figured this would be his last season and now they are bringing in these younger faster CB's. He is probably feeling like the FO is trying to push him out. Not only that but if everything we have read is true, I don't want him around if he is going to have an attitude like he has had about everything, he can pack his bags now.

texan279
04-25-2005, 07:29 PM
This smells more and more like a locker room implosion. First Sharper, then Glenn, and we draft TJ to compete with Walker. There has to be more to this.

Can we really blame the FO though, I mean 2/3 of our starting D line are players we got from the expansion draft (Walker and Payne), 1/2 of our secondary are guys from the expansion draft (Coleman and Glenn) these guys weren't exactly spring chickens when we got them, and that was three years ago. Sharper was also acquired through the expansion draft. It is time to start building a defense from the draft and free agency by adding speed and youth (DRob, Buchanon, Babin, Earl, Smith, and Greenwood). If Glenn is going to get upset about us trying to improve our TEAM, then that's fine, don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya Aaron, happy trails.

Lucky
04-25-2005, 07:39 PM
...I think some of us here made a ton of assumptions.
Whose fault is that? It was the Texans who came out & said that Glenn was OK with the trade & was looking forward to competing. That you need as many cover corners as you can get when matched up with WR corps like the Colts.

It was the Texans who signed Greenwood & summarily gave Sharper & Foreman their walking papers. Is it wrong to draw a parallel here? According to Casserly, the Texans are keeping the Glenn situation "in house". When there's a lack of information, fans will make assumptions.

MojoMan
04-25-2005, 07:45 PM
As I recall, Foreman was expected to be cut by many on this board throughout the 2004 season.

Sharper, however, was expected to be retained, and correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the Texans were in the progress of working with Sharper to renegotiate his contract when the melt-down in their relationship occurred. Sharper was encouraged to seek a trade with other teams if he considered the situation to be unsatisfactory and unworkable. He tried, but was not able to do so. At that point, the Texans reached agreement with Sharper to allow for his unconditional release. This was not something the Texans were contractually empowered to do on a unilateral basis. Sharper had to agree to this. He was apparantly so upset, that he thought this was his best option, even though his recent testing of other teams interests had to have provided him and his agent information regarding his worth to other teams in the NFL.

Now, Aaron Glenn has also become upset with his situation. The Texans have permitted him to seek a trade, just as they did with Sharper. The common theme that I see here is that the Texans are not allowing themselves to be moved or manipulated by the emotional swings of their players. They are not trying to punish these guys, only setting some boundaries and expectations that appear quite reasonable, and are entirely within their rights. If this is perceived by these players as an imposition, the team is giving them the opportunity to pursue alternatives that are mutually beneficial. The Texans are not under any requirement to do this. As a matter of fact, I am not familiar with any other instances of players on other teams being invited to pursue trades if they are unhappy. Maybe I just have not been following the sporting news closely enough.

I believe that by these actions, the Texans are currently establishing policies and practices that will reverbrate throughout the league. Players and agents will know what to expect, because the precedents have been established. I wonder, what are other NFL GM's thinking and saying about these types of personnel related policies and practices being implemented by the Texans?

cuppacoffee
04-25-2005, 07:48 PM
Glenn is one of our originals. He has given it his all for three years, and has done a good job. I hope he works through this and stays on for at least another year. We all know its stated that its a Not For Long league. We fans should not turn on players that have done all that is asked of them. If he stays we will all cheer for him and if he decides to leave we should wish him well.......I know I will.

cac: :coffee:

Vinny
04-25-2005, 07:50 PM
Whose fault is that? It was the Texans who came out & said that Glenn was OK with the trade & was looking forward to competing. That you need as many cover corners as you can get when matched up with WR corps like the Colts.

It was the Texans who signed Greenwood & summarily gave Sharper & Foreman their walking papers. Is it wrong to draw a parallel here? According to Casserly, the Texans are keeping the Glenn situation "in house". When there's a lack of information, fans will make assumptions.Who's assessing blame? You are, that's who. I'm just commenting on what Capers said on the radio this morning. He said that if Glenn is uncomfortable he would allow him to seek a trade. Apparently Glenn thought about it and became uncomfortable.

SESupergenius
04-25-2005, 08:40 PM
it's going to be tough for him on any other team. He won't get the $$, and most teams are already set at CB. If they can't reconcile then they will let him go soon. It's a shame because I personally think D-Rob needs another year under Glenn, he may be a rookie of the year candidate but he'll be going up against other teams #1's next year. That is not entirely conforting. And Buchanon was a major bust in Raiderville, he changes because of the scenery?

The Texans have created more questions than answers this offseason.

texan279
04-25-2005, 08:51 PM
Texans | Glenn Permitted to Seek Trade; Release Could Happen - from www.KFFL.com
Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:48:17 -0700

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Houston Texans have granted CB Aaron Glenn permission to seek a trade with a limited number of other teams. If a trade is not able to be worked out, Glenn is likely to be released as early as Tuesday, April 26.

DocBar
04-25-2005, 08:55 PM
it's going to be tough for him on any other team. He won't get the $$, and most teams are already set at CB. If they can't reconcile then they will let him go soon. It's a shame because I personally think D-Rob needs another year under Glenn, he may be a rookie of the year candidate but he'll be going up against other teams #1's next year. That is not entirely conforting. And Buchanon was a major bust in Raiderville, he changes because of the scenery?

The Texans have created more questions than answers this offseason.I agree that Dunta could use another year under AG. My jury is still out on PB. He committed one of 2 unpardonable sins in sports. He called out his teammates and said some were quitters. You just don't do that and stay with the same team. I'll leave it to you to decide if he was right about that or not. I figure PB to go against the #1, not Dunta. PB is a very atheletic CB with 3 yrs exp.
The 2nd unpardonable sin, by the way, is QUITTING on your teammates. I haven't heard anyone say that PB has given less than 100%.

UberDork
04-25-2005, 09:00 PM
I agree that Dunta could use another year under AG. My jury is still out on PB. He committed one of 2 unpardonable sins in sports. He called out his teammates and said some were quitters.

What if they were quitters?

DocBar
04-25-2005, 09:05 PM
What if they were quitters?
I know what ya mean. But that would imply that the coaching staff allowed this to happen, and no coach is gonna let that slide. It puts HIS job in jeopordy. Easier to deal with one "malcontent" than admit you let your team lay down on you. Not exactly fair, but who said it has to be?

texan279
04-25-2005, 09:07 PM
LINK (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2046293)

It appears that the Houston Texans tenure of three-time Pro Bowl cornerback Aaron Glenn, the third veteran brought aboard by the fledgling franchise in the 2002 expansion draft, is about to end.

Glenn and agent Jimmy Sexton have been granted permission by Texans officials to seek trade opportunities with a limited number of other teams, ESPN.com has learned. But if potential trade partners are not quickly identified, Glenn almost certainly will be released, possibly as early as Tuesday.

Among the franchises with whom Glenn is permitted to speak are believed to be the New England Patriots and Dallas Cowboys. It is not known how ardent teams will be in pursuit of Glenn in a trade, since he will be jettisoned if a deal is not struck, and would then be available as a free agent.

The 11-year veteran, one of the NFL's top coverage defenders for much of his career, became expendable last week when the Texans acquired three-year veteran cornerback and former first-round draft choice Phillip Buchanon from the Oakland Raiders. The acquisition of Buchanon, who figures to team with second-year standout Dunta Robinson in the starting lineup, provides the Texans two young cornerbacks.

Robinson was one of the NFL's top defensive rookies in 2004.

In addition, Demarcus Faggins developed for the Texans into a solid nickel cornerback in 2004 and was recently rewarded with a new contract. Houston also signed unrestricted free agent corner Lewis Sanders several weeks ago.

ThaShark316
04-25-2005, 09:16 PM
:thumbdown NO NO NO *cries* :thumbdown

TexanExile
04-25-2005, 10:22 PM
I'm confused. First, when PB's acquired, we're told a team can never have too many good cover guys, and then we're told we're pushing one right out of the boat because of the POSSIBILITY that a so-far-underachieving young outsider could be better? Sounds like Greenwood/Sharper all over again.

This franchise is really coming up with an odd approach on how to treat its talented veterans.

If Glenn stays, PB is a good pickup. If he doesn't, this defense is changing too much and too quickly.

DocBar
04-25-2005, 10:28 PM
I'm confused. First, when PB's acquired, we're told a team can never have too many good cover guys, and then we're told we're pushing one right out of the boat because of the POSSIBILITY that a so-far-underachieving young outsider could be better? Sounds like Greenwood/Sharper all over again.

This franchise is really coming up with an odd approach on how to treat its talented veterans.

If Glenn stays, PB is a good pickup. If he doesn't, this defense is changing too much and too quickly.
Sharper DID underachieve. 180 tackles 5 yards downfield is hardly productive. And it sounds like AG ASKED for permission to seek a trade. I'm sure DC and CC were giving an accomplished veteran his due when they agreed to his request. Do you REALLY think DC and CC want to see Glenn leave? I thought drug use was on the decline in this country. LOL

MojoMan
04-25-2005, 10:53 PM
I am not sure where we have gotten the idea that the Texans have been trying to cut or run-off Sharper and Glenn. I believe this idea is probably a fabrication of the media, and perhaps certain people on this board, which is not well substantiated. It appears to me that the Texans wanted to work things out with both of these guys, and are still trying with Aaron Glenn.

However, it is a radical idea to permit an unhappy player to pursue a trade, and then grant an unconditional release to that player. This is really unconventional, and is an emerging policy that is significant, important, and worthy of discussion. I am not aware of another team that has established a pattern and practice of dealing with unhappy players with large salaries in this particular fashion. These have included big name players, who are starters and even pro bowlers. Very interesting stuff we are seeing right now.

texan279
04-25-2005, 11:05 PM
I am not sure where we have gotten the idea that the Texans have been trying to cut or run-off Sharper and Glenn. I believe this idea is probably a fabrication of the media, and perhaps certain people on this board, which is not well substantiated. It appears to me that the Texans wanted to work things out with both of these guys, and are still trying with Aaron Glenn.

I agree. Given Sharper's age, and the problem about his knee that came out after he was released and signed by the Seahawks, and what his cap hit would have been this season, I think those are the main factors that contributed to the release of Sharper. Just MO.

Hervoyel
04-25-2005, 11:13 PM
However, it is a radical idea to permit an unhappy player to pursue a trade, and then grant an unconditional release to that player. This is really unconventional, and is an emerging policy that is significant, important, and worthy of discussion. I am not aware of another team that has established a pattern and practice of dealing with unhappy players with large salaries in this particular fashion. These have included big name players, who are starters and even pro bowlers. Very interesting stuff we are seeing right now.

It pretty much amounts to announcing that you're going to release the player shortly. Nobody is going to trade for an older player with a large contract when they know he's going to be much cheaper once he's been released.

An interesting approach though I agree.

Diehardtexan
04-26-2005, 02:08 PM
The Texans are doing the right thing, New England does that every year and still get better with younger players. We have to cut down on players that cost too much to keep. If you have a good system then the players that we bring in will fill the need just the same as the top names players. New England didn't win the last superbowl with Ty Law they won it with no name corners. If we want to win and move on then we can't get too attached to our favoraite players. This is the new era of sports, the players wanted free agency and with that we kissed loyalty good bye. Get used to it. Maybe David Carr is next if he doesn't get to the next level.