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Carr Bombed
09-18-2011, 06:12 PM
Is there any possible way that this coaching staff could've mishandled that hamstring situation any more than they have?

We'll probably be dealing with this all season long now, GREAT. :(

houstonspartan
09-18-2011, 06:14 PM
Agree. Just sent an angry text to a buddy saying we should have sat Arian this week.

Boneheaded decisions like these - by our HEAD COACH - is what trips us up.

Carr Bombed
09-18-2011, 06:22 PM
It doesn't make any damn sense. I can see trying to rush the guy back or being impatient if you were a team that struggled running the ball or lacked depth, but given the depth we had they should of gave Arian all the time he needed.....and then add another week on top of that.

It's these type of decisions by this organization that draw so much ridicule and doubt from the fans. I still don't know what the hell he was doing in the 49ers game, that was the dumbest decision of all. After the Saints game I would've said "Okay...he's ready" and then shut him down for the regular season.

badboy
09-18-2011, 06:24 PM
Slaton was wide open on his first play but Schaub ran to his left.

Carr Bombed
09-18-2011, 06:43 PM
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WolverineFan
09-18-2011, 06:48 PM
Ridiculous decision to play him today. Suit him up because Ward is out? Sure. But last resort to play him. Dumb, dumb move. Just knocked him out of 2-4 more games by playing him today.

gafftop
09-18-2011, 07:15 PM
What is his condition? I haven't heard any specifics.

TimeKiller
09-18-2011, 07:15 PM
I didn't hear anything about him re-aggrivating the hamstring. . .

Malloy
09-18-2011, 07:16 PM
I must have missed it, I thought they took him out af ter a couple of drives, did he aggrevate the hammy again!?!?

gafftop
09-18-2011, 07:18 PM
I'm sure something happened. Hopefully he just felt some tightness and they decided to rest him.

gafftop
09-18-2011, 07:18 PM
That said Tate is a beast.

MEGA SWATT
09-18-2011, 07:20 PM
air on the side of caution, . :(

Err Jordan.

http://payload.cargocollective.com/1/0/2691/1597175/error.jpg

TheMatrix31
09-18-2011, 07:25 PM
He'll be fine. Probably did more work in the "normal load" Wednesday than he did today. Can't see how it was any real crazy setback.

welsh texan
09-18-2011, 07:26 PM
I read somewhere that its reaggrevated but don't have a link (think its buried in the gameday thread)

When you have 4 RB's who could all start for other teams around the league, why oh why are you rushing Foster back? Tate put up 116 yards last week and once their hand was forced and he became the feature back today he's put up another 100 yard game.

buddyboy
09-18-2011, 07:34 PM
I read somewhere that its reaggrevated but don't have a link (think its buried in the gameday thread)

When you have 4 RB's who could all start for other teams around the league, why oh why are you rushing Foster back? Tate put up 116 yards last week and once their hand was forced and he became the feature back today he's put up another 100 yard game.

Which poor poor team would actually start Slaton? :thinking:

Ryan
09-18-2011, 07:36 PM
Kubiak said that Foster is okay and wanted to go back out there but they took precaution.

Porky
09-18-2011, 07:36 PM
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fiasco west
09-18-2011, 07:37 PM
I didn't hear anything about him tweaking it again. It could just be that they had planned to limit him?

welsh texan
09-18-2011, 07:41 PM
Which poor poor team would actually start Slaton? :thinking:

Hmm that one might be stretching it thinking about it. 'zona perhaps?

CloakNNNdagger
09-18-2011, 07:47 PM
I didn't hear anything about him tweaking it again. It could just be that they had planned to limit him?

Kubiak said that his hamstring "experienced fatigue".............code phrase for pulled his hamstring again........."and he will be evaluated tomorrow"...........code phrase for MRI.

He did not say this, but it can be implied that the MRI will not be available thru Twitter anytime soon.:kitten:

fiasco west
09-18-2011, 07:53 PM
Kubiak said that his hamstring "experienced fatigue".............code phrase for pulled his hamstring again........."and he will be evaluated tomorrow"...........code phrase for MRI.

He did not say this, but it can be implied that the MRI will not be available thru Twitter anytime soon.:kitten:

Well you just took away any hope I had of him playing next week. You're usually right about these things and knowing the Texans history.......

Tate did play really well against the Saints in preseason.

JamesBill
09-18-2011, 08:00 PM
Yeah I think it is obvious something happened. 21 days after the last game you cannot really fault the Texans. I am pretty sure Foster's head would have exploded if he was sat for this game as well.

Hervoyel
09-18-2011, 08:19 PM
Which poor poor team would actually start Slaton? :thinking:

Slaton takes a lot of grief in here but if you roll him out there for a week or two to knock the rust off he'd be more than serviceable. I think Slaton would be a good fit in Arizona for instance (Though it looks like Wells is finally coming around there so they don't need him). He'd also be able to do some damage with Detroit I think. He'd be a really good fit there.

Kimmy
09-18-2011, 08:23 PM
610 am was quoting Kubiak with it was 'fatigue, heat & humidity'. I don't think we'll get the full or correct story for a while

steelbtexan
09-18-2011, 08:24 PM
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CND not only called this yesterday, he called it the perfect storm for Foster to reinjure the Hammy. (Wet field that was torn up from a game last night, heat/humidity/Foster not being fully healed.)

Foster saw how well Tate has been playing and convinced Gary he was healthy. (Big mistake Gary) Where was the Texans medical staff when this decision was made? This is just another case of the Texans medical staff being crap. Remember Bosselli,DDW, AJ's ankle that they let him play on and caused it to worsen to the point he needed offseason surgery. etc.... If anybody thinks it's a good idea for Walter to play for atleast the next 4-5 weeks they're off their rocker. IMHO It's ashame that CND (who has no inside knowledge) can make better decisions in regards to the Texans injury situations. Than the Texans medical staff can make with all of the MRI/X-Ray info at hand. Does anybody else feel the same way I do?

It's troubling at best

Carr Bombed
09-18-2011, 09:16 PM
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??? Where's the "hindsight" when people were calling for him to sit out all of preseason before the games were even played? This has little to do with hindsight. A lot of people said this would happen if we brought him back too soon. The injury in preseason...fine, I can see how that can happen once. However after he already re-aggravated the hamstring, they should of kept him out longer. Now we're really starting to get to the meat and potatoes of our schedule and he isn't going to be healthy. It was great seeing him during the preseason though :rolleyes:

Lurvinator11
09-18-2011, 09:46 PM
Kubes said it was a coaching decision to pull him at the half due to fatigue. Thats what I heard. Honestly I am not too worried about him, since tate has been doing really well. Hopefully Foster will be ready for next week but if not I have faith in Tate. We will see how this plays out.

TheRealJoker
09-18-2011, 09:50 PM
It's a tough situation...

Tate playing well doesn't make Foster want to rest. Foster is in a contract year and Tate playing well doesn't bode well for Foster having negotiating leverage. He wants to get out there and play... and Kubiak doesn't know how to tell him to rest.

Nawzer
09-18-2011, 09:52 PM
I don't know what's going on with Foster, but if he injured his hammy again it's another bad sign for the Texans. I know it may sound drastic, but I think its time to move on from Foster. This team is at a position where it cannot have distractions such as this week in and week out. If Foster is hurt again, sit him, place him on IR, send him to a one of those Christian "healers" on tv, or whatever. Ben Tate has shown himself to be more than adequate and he needs to be the starter.

DocBar
09-18-2011, 09:54 PM
:overreact:
The reason there is so much consternation over this is because we witnessed something we're not used to seeing: a smart coaching decision. Foster looked perfectly healthy and frustrated to not be in the game. He didn't look gimpy at all. Expect a healthy dose of Foster next week when we really, really need him.

Carr Bombed
09-18-2011, 10:01 PM
I don't know what's going on with Foster, but if he injured his hammy again it's another bad sign for the Texans. I know it may sound drastic, but I think its time to move on from Foster. This team is at a position where it cannot have distractions such as this week in and week out. If Foster is hurt again, sit him, place him on IR, send him to a one of those Christian "healers" on tv, or whatever. Ben Tate has shown himself to be more than adequate and he needs to be the starter.

Yeah you're right, that does sound drastic. :)


It's just a hammy..and you don't trade the NFL's leading rusher, because he has a pulled hammy. There's no bad beef between Foster and Tate. If Foster was all about the money he would've held out, he just needs to get healthy.

Nawzer
09-18-2011, 10:11 PM
Yeah you're right, that does sound drastic. :)


It's just a hammy..and you don't trade the NFL's leading rusher, because he has a pulled hammy. There's no bad beef between Foster and Tate. If Foster was all about the money he would've held out, he just needs to get healthy.

I never suggested we trade or cut Foster. I said we need to let him take care of this problem properly. We need stability and Tate right now gives us the best option.

JamesBill
09-18-2011, 10:12 PM
I never suggested we trade or cut Foster. I said we need to let him take care of this problem properly. We need stability and Tate right now gives us the best option.

You said put him on IR. That's crazy talk.

Fred
09-18-2011, 10:12 PM
:overreact:
The reason there is so much consternation over this is because we witnessed something we're not used to seeing: a smart coaching decision. Foster looked perfectly healthy and frustrated to not be in the game. He didn't look gimpy at all. Expect a healthy dose of Foster next week when we really, really need him.

The announcers kept saying Foster re-injured his hammy but it seemed like they were just speculating - they never had a report from the sideline or anything.

Foster got 33 yards on 10 carries. His first carry was for 14 yards. So his last nine carries were for 19 yards. If I'm the coach, I take him out and let him rest even if he is healthy. I gotta think Tate is going to be better than 2 yards a carry.

So DocBar may be right: Kubes tricked us by making the right coaching move.

Fred
09-18-2011, 10:21 PM
I don't know what's going on with Foster, but if he injured his hammy again it's another bad sign for the Texans. I know it may sound drastic, but I think its time to move on from Foster. This team is at a position where it cannot have distractions such as this week in and week out. If Foster is hurt again, sit him, place him on IR, send him to a one of those Christian "healers" on tv, or whatever. Ben Tate has shown himself to be more than adequate and he needs to be the starter.

I never suggested we trade or cut Foster. I said we need to let him take care of this problem properly. We need stability and Tate right now gives us the best option.

Saying "its time to move on" kinda is suggesting a trade or cut. This is not a distraction, he shouldn't be put on IR until you are convinced he can not play the rest of the year (which apparently lots of folks seem to think is the case with a hamstring injury!) I think Ward, Slaton, and Tate have all had hamstring issues this year. Should we just not carry any running backs on the roster?

OK, I see it can be a distraction to sicko Fantasy players. I meant it is not a distraction to the Texans.

beerlover
09-18-2011, 10:30 PM
imagine both are healthy.......:kitten: Arian Foster gives Texans big play potential while Tate is explsosive short yardage specialist who can just munch up the clock. Best of both worlds Texan fans lets enjoy it. Takes two to tango :handshake:

CloakNNNdagger
09-18-2011, 10:39 PM
If Foster was cramping up during the game, no matter what the MRI shows tomorrow, he should not see action for at least a month. Period. Otherwise, expect him to revisit the gurney throughout the rest of the season, or receive a cheap ticket to IR.

JCTexan
09-18-2011, 10:40 PM
I don't know if this has been posted or not: Foster admitted that his hamstring tightened up.

Arian Foster conceded Sunday night that his troublesome hamstring tightened up at halftime, forcing him out of final two quarters of Week 2.
Coach Gary Kubiak stated in a post-game press conference that Foster was fatigued, suggesting the hamstring isn't a problem anymore. It still is. "I pulled myself out because I felt it was getting a little tight," Foster conceded. Hamstring pulls are so susceptible to re-aggravation that the Texans would probably be best served shutting down Foster for two weeks, and then reevaluating. It's clear that they can more than just get by with Ben Tate in the meantime.

http://rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/213451/arian-foster-admits-hamstring-tightened-up?rw=1

dinkatoid
09-18-2011, 10:40 PM
via Rotoworld: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5469/arian-foster

Arian Foster conceded Sunday night that his troublesome hamstring tightened up at halftime, forcing him out of final two quarters of Week 2.
Coach Gary Kubiak stated in a post-game press conference that Foster was fatigued, suggesting the hamstring isn't a problem anymore. It still is. "I pulled myself out because I felt it was getting a little tight," Foster conceded. Hamstring pulls are so susceptible to re-aggravation that the Texans would probably be best served shutting down Foster for two weeks, and then reevaluating. It's clear that they can more than just get by with Ben Tate in the meantime. Sep 18 - 8:30 PM

It does say that it got tight, but it could be possible that fatigue and the humidity is why this happened. I will hold off fearing the worst till I see how he progresses through the week. Hopefully this will all blow over as a false alarm.

Edit: JCTexan beat me to it by a min!

Marcus
09-18-2011, 11:10 PM
Man, how freaking predictable can some of you get, with this BLAME NONSENSE having to do with Foster's hammy.

I predicted it. I was hoping y'all would prove me wrong and actually be better then that, but I predicted it.

If you cannot depend on Foster being truthful about the condition of his hamstring, who is to "blame" here?

Riiiiight! :rolleyes:

steelbtexan
09-18-2011, 11:16 PM
via Rotoworld: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5469/arian-foster



It does say that it got tight, but it could be possible that fatigue and the humidity is why this happened. I will hold off fearing the worst till I see how he progresses through the week. Hopefully this will all blow over as a false alarm.

Edit: JCTexan beat me to it by a min!

See CND's post above, it would appear that it would be best for Foster to sit out atleast a month. Just like he should've sat out the preseason/ after he reinjured it against the 49ers atleast until the Saint game.

Does anybody else feel the Texans are going to screw this up. On a brighter note that sound you hear is Fosters FA contract value dropping. I'm sure this wont hurt billionaire BoBBy's feelings come contract negociation time. Maybe there will be enough $$$ to sign MW this offseason afterall.

Marcus
09-18-2011, 11:23 PM
See CND's post above, it would appear that it would be best for Foster to sit out atleast a month. Just like he should've sat out the preseason/ after he reinjured it against the 49ers atleast until the Saint game.

Does anybody else feel the Texans are going to screw this up. On a brighter note that sound you hear is Fosters FA contract value dropping. I'm sure this wont hurt billionaire BoBBy's feelings come contract negociation time. Maybe there will be enough $$$ to sign MW this offseason afterall.

You and your "BoBBy" fetish. The contract thing is exactly why Foster is lying to the medical staff.

dalemurphy
09-18-2011, 11:24 PM
Is there any possible way that this coaching staff could've mishandled that hamstring situation any more than they have?

The sad thing is a lot of fans repeatedly said they didn't want him to play this preseason...yet they throw him out there. Then they said don't listen to what Foster tells you and air on the side of caution, they let him sit out one week.


We'll probably be dealing with this all season long now, GREAT. :(

Wow. I'm not sure why anyone would be complaining about the organization at this point in the season. Foster was fine. He was wanting to play but the coaches held him out. They were prudent. The organization you are complaining about is the same one that kept 4 RBs and also drafted Ben Tate. I'd say they are making quite a few good decisions right now. Oh, and we will have the AFC South wrapped up by late November. If he's still not healthy, perhaps he can rest it then.

Marcus
09-18-2011, 11:29 PM
Wow. I'm not sure why anyone would be complaining about the organization at this point in the season. Foster was fine. He was wanting to play but the coaches held him out. They were prudent. The organization you are complaining about is the same one that kept 4 RBs and also drafted Ben Tate. I'd say they are making quite a few good decisions right now. Oh, and we will have the AFC South wrapped up by late November. If he's still not healthy, perhaps he can rest it then.

It's all because there are some here who still have the red ass because Kubiak wasn't fired. Its the same usual suspects.

dalemurphy
09-18-2011, 11:46 PM
It's all because there are some here who still have the red ass because Kubiak wasn't fired. Its the same usual suspects.

Would they rather have that moron, Tony Sporano? who wasted that timeout with 8 minutes to go and down 10 points.

Carr Bombed
09-19-2011, 12:03 AM
Hey as soon as you two ladies stop gossiping on why someone "said what they said", would you please let us know so we can get back to the discussion at hand, it would be greatly appreciated...thank you.

My comments didn't have anything to do with the Texans not firing Kubiak last season, thanks for the ASSumptions though.


Believe it or not in hindsight, I'm actually glad the man is still here. His offense fits this defense/team (RBs) great and he gives us the best chance to win now.....which is all I care about since Andre only has a few prime years left. Damn I guess that blows the great "hypothesis" out of the water huh?

Lucky
09-19-2011, 12:17 AM
Oh, and we will have the AFC South wrapped up by late November.
dale, stop jinxing them. You said the same thing after last season's start. And you know what happened then.

Carr Bombed
09-19-2011, 12:26 AM
dale, stop jinxing them. You said the same thing after last season's start. And you know what happened then.

I have learned one thing over the years.....never count out the Titans. They seem to be the most dangerous when everybody writes them off and counts them out. I watched that game against the Ravens today, they looked just as impressive in that game (if not more) as we have so far this season. There's something about that franchise that reminds me of a wounded animal cornered.

P.S.

Where is Kenny Britt's suspension? :foottap: (that guy is slowly turning into a beast)

Lucky
09-19-2011, 12:38 AM
Where is Kenny Britt's suspension? :foottap: (that guy is slowly turning into a beast)
No suspension for Britt. Yet, Terrell Pryor gets 5 games before he ever suits up for a game. How bogus is that?

Carr Bombed
09-19-2011, 01:30 AM
No suspension for Britt. Yet, Terrell Pryor gets 5 games before he ever suits up for a game. How bogus is that?

You know what...you're right. I didn't even think about that and that doesn't make a lick of sense at all. I used to be a supporter of Goodell when he first came in mainly, because I respected the fact that he wanted to clean up the game.

However, he's way WAY too inconsistent with his verdicts, it's almost like he's just throwing darts at the wall. He's the judge, jury, and executioner and his off the wall punishments have caused him to lose all credibility. Now with all the rule changes, the fans are turning on him as hell. He's slowly ruining this game one "rules committee" at a time.

dalemurphy
09-19-2011, 06:15 AM
dale, stop jinxing them. You said the same thing after last season's start. And you know what happened then.

Lucky,

Sorry, but I can not help myself. This year we may not only be "Kubiak-proof", but I think we are jinx-proof as well.

DocBar
09-19-2011, 06:46 AM
Lucky,

Sorry, but I can not help myself. This year we may not only be "Kubiak-proof", but I think we are jinx-proof as well.Man, if you're not careful, Karma is gonna make you a beat writer for elderly tennis at the Houston Comical.

CloakNNNdagger
09-19-2011, 06:06 PM
Here we go again. Please tell me it's not so.

Kubiak doesn't rule out Foster for Sunday
By JOHN MCCLAIN, HOUSTON CHRONICLE
Updated 03:57 p.m., Monday, September 19, 2011


Running back Arian Foster did not run with his teammates today because of his strained hamstring, but coach Gary Kubiak did not rule him out of Sunday's game at New Orleans.

Cornerback Johnathan Joseph, who suffered a sprained ankle in the 23-13 victory at Miami, will be "day-to-day," according to Kubiak.

There's a good chance receiver Kevin Walter (bruised shoulder) could return against the Saints.

"I thought we took a step forward with Arian," Kubiak said at his regular Monday news conference. "We had hoped to get him 10 to 15 carries, and he carried 10 times (33 yards). His hamstring tightened up on him, so we went with Ben (Tate) in the second half.

"Arian's a little sore today. We're trying to stay positive. Obviously, Ben played really well, especially when we needed to run the ball in the end, and he did."

On the last two series, Tate carried 11 consecutive times to use up the clock. He finished with 103 yards rushing.

Now the Texans are 2-0 for the second consecutive season. With the Monday night game between St. Louis and the New York Giants still to be played, the Texans are ranked first in defense, allowing 271 yards a game. They've surrendered two touchdowns in two games.

"Nobody's jumping around or celebrating," Kubiak said about being unbeaten. "We're focused on the next game, our toughest test yet."

EllisUnit
09-19-2011, 06:14 PM
Here we go again. Please tell me it's not so.


WELL Arian pulled himself out cause he said he felt it tightening up again. So i think he could still be fine. I mean i would rather A.F pull himself out for precaution rather then try to keep playing and do serious damage. Foster is smart he'll go if he's ready.

thunderkyss
09-19-2011, 07:05 PM
Is there any possible way that this coaching staff could've mishandled that hamstring situation any more than they have?

We'll probably be dealing with this all season long now, GREAT. :(

I don't know if we could have handled it any better.

1) We didn't know that Tate was going to be able to handle the load.

2) We don't know that Foster screwed anything up.

For all we know, at some point in the game, the coaches asked him, "how's the hammy?"

& Foster said, "It feels good coach, I'm ready to run a hundred miles. Maybe a little tight, but it feels good."

The coach heard "little tight" & pulled the plug on any idea of him going back in.

Foster looked like he wanted to get in the game & didn't understand why he was being held out.

I never saw any shot of Foster getting his hammy stretched..... which you would have if it had been serious.

I also never saw Foster on the bike....... I saw Tate on the bike.... but not Foster.

I think Kubiak is ok with everyone thinking we screwed the pooch. I'm sure he'd like to see if Foster breaks down & tweets a perfectly healthy hamstring MRI.

The only way we are going to know, is if Foster starts & plays a good portion of the Saints game. If he can't play, or plays a limited role... then we'll know.

It doesn't make any damn sense. I can see trying to rush the guy back or being impatient if you were a team that struggled running the ball or lacked depth, but given the depth we had they should of gave Arian all the time he needed.....and then add another week on top of that.


Without Foster, we go into that game with Tater as the starter & Slaton as the only back up.

SaintRusty
09-19-2011, 07:20 PM
Dear Arian Foster,

Here's wishing you a full and speedy recovery... no earlier than September 26.

-The Saints Linebackers

Carr Bombed
09-19-2011, 07:25 PM
I don't know if we could have handled it any better.

1) We didn't know that Tate was going to be able to handle the load.

2) We don't know that Foster screwed anything up.

For all we know, at some point in the game, the coaches asked him, "how's the hammy?"

& Foster said, "It feels good coach, I'm ready to run a hundred miles. Maybe a little tight, but it feels good."

The coach heard "little tight" & pulled the plug on any idea of him going back in.

Foster looked like he wanted to get in the game & didn't understand why he was being held out.

I never saw any shot of Foster getting his hammy stretched..... which you would have if it had been serious.

I also never saw Foster on the bike....... I saw Tate on the bike.... but not Foster.

I think Kubiak is ok with everyone thinking we screwed the pooch. I'm sure he'd like to see if Foster breaks down & tweets a perfectly healthy hamstring MRI.

The only way we are going to know, is if Foster starts & plays a good portion of the Saints game. If he can't play, or plays a limited role... then we'll know.



Without Foster, we go into that game with Tater as the starter & Slaton as the only back up.

Two big issues that I have with your post. If the Texans didn't know or even think Tate was capable of handling the load...they should've have drafted him in the 2nd round. Since they did, they need to stick with their guns and have confidence in him. He was their 2nd round draft pick for a reason.

and 2nd.. Why would they every rely on the testimony of a player who intentionally withheld a knee injury from the team last season? That isn't criticism against Foster...he's a horse, a tough guy, who just wants to go and be out on the field, but almost to a fault.

Asking Foster how he feels needs to be removed from the equation completely, because it's obvious he is going to skew the truth in order to get back out on the field (hell any great player would).

This is the classic example of when a team needs to protect a player.....from the player. I love Arian's will and heart though. He just needs to pump the brakes and be patient with his injury and if he can't do that, then the team needs to do it for him.

Also with the hammy....I guess you could chalk this up to a third thing. You don't have to take "a shot or hit" in order to re injure a hammy. Hell you can reaggravate a hammy just by sneezing...(sadly, I've done that before) and if Foster did hurt his hammy, they certainly aren't going to toss him on a exercise bike.

ObsiWan
09-19-2011, 07:49 PM
Dear Arian Foster,

Here's wishing you a full and speedy recovery... no earlier than September 26.

-The Saints Linebackers

Dear Saints Linebackers,

I'll agree to stay on the sidelines until Sept. 26th if you'll convince Drew Brees to do the same.

Deal?

- AF

GP
09-19-2011, 07:54 PM
:worthless:

(Get it? LOL.)

Texan_Bill
09-19-2011, 08:10 PM
Is there any possible way that this coaching staff could've mishandled that hamstring situation any more than they have?

We'll probably be dealing with this all season long now, GREAT. :(

This is exactly why some of us were saying in another thread, there was no way Foster should even dress for this game. Hammy's are funny. They are lingering injuries that start feeling okay, but you can tweak it very easily... Irrespective of how well the Texans have done this season / off-season this was epic FAIL!!!

ObsiWan
09-19-2011, 08:20 PM
:worthless:

(Get it? LOL.)

Sorry, no new anti-awesomeness MRI photos are available for release.
:spin:

thunderkyss
09-19-2011, 08:29 PM
and 2nd.. Why would they every rely on the testimony of a player who intentionally withheld a knee injury from the team last season? That isn't criticism against Foster...he's a horse, a tough guy, who just wants to go and be out on the field, but almost to a fault.

Asking Foster how he feels needs to be removed from the equation completely, because it's obvious he is going to skew the truth in order to get back out on the field (hell any great player would).

This is the classic example of when a team needs to protect a player.....from the player.

So what should they do, depend on the advice of medical professionals? Oh, wait, those guys said he would need 2-3 weeks to recover. He's been out of action for 3 weeks.

So should they sit him on the bench until they absolutely, positively need him?

That doesn't make any sense.

Carr Bombed
09-19-2011, 08:40 PM
So what should they do, depend on the advice of medical professionals? Oh, wait, those guys said he would need 2-3 weeks to recover. He's been out of action for 3 weeks.

So should they sit him on the bench until they absolutely, positively need him?

That doesn't make any sense.

I can't 100% tell you what "they should do" (I'm not a doctor...I'll leave that to the resident M.D. CloakNNNdagger), but I sure as hell know what they "shouldn't do" and that is listen to a player who admittedly withheld a torn meniscus (which required surgery) from the team last season. Arian Foster is in a contract year. If he wouldn't give you a straight answer last year, he certainly isn't going to give you one this year with millions on the line and with another back racking up 100 yard rushing performances.

I love Arain and what he brings this team, but he isn't the guy to listen to right now. If I was handling this situation, I'd shut him down for a month and then bring him back. Again..protect the player from the player.

thunderkyss
09-19-2011, 08:51 PM
I can't 100% tell you what "they should do" (I'm not a doctor...I'll leave that to the resident M.D. CloakNNNdagger), but I sure as hell know what they "shouldn't do" and that is listen to a player who admittedly withheld a torn meniscus (which required surgery) from the team last season.

Arian Foster is in a contract year. If he wouldn't give you a straight answer last year, he certainly isn't going to give you one this year with millions on the line and with another back racking up 100 yard rushing performances. I love Arain and what he brings this team, but he isn't the guy to listen to right now. If I was handling this situation, I'd shut him down for a month and then bring him back. Again..protect the player from the player.

Players are always in a contract year (sort of).

So with your thinking, had Foster told the coaches about the knee last year, they should have sat him on the bench until he was 100%

Look, those guys watched Arian for 22 days, where we didn't. They saw what he was doing on the practice field, they can tell if he's going all out, or running gingerly. The doctors said 2-3 weeks, he had that. They watched him practice..... he obviously looked fine.

They put him in the game...... Tate appeared to be doing his thang, they sat Foster.... That's all you can really ask. Anything else is being overly cautious, which Kubiak is getting slammed about in another thread (I'm sure).

Did anyone see Foster pull up on any run?

Did anyone see Foster limping to the sideling?

Favor his hamstring?

Grab it?

Do anything special on the sideline to make you think it was an issue?

I didn't.

Marcus
09-19-2011, 08:53 PM
I can't 100% tell you what "they should do" (I'm not a doctor...I'll leave that to the resident M.D. CloakNNNdagger), but I sure as hell know what they "shouldn't do" and that is listen to a player who admittedly withheld a torn meniscus (which required surgery) from the team last season. Arian Foster is in a contract year. If he wouldn't give you a straight answer last year, he certainly isn't going to give you one this year with millions on the line and with another back racking up 100 yard rushing performances.

I love Arian and what he brings this team, but he isn't the guy to listen to right now. If I was handling this situation, I'd shut him down for a month and then bring him back. Again..protect the player from the player.

So, what are the rules exactly for PUPing a player in the middle of the season. Can they do that? I absolutely agree with you. He cannot be trusted to be honest with the staff because he's looking for a new contract.

They should PUP him in order to protect him from himself. I brought that up a couple of weeks ago, and y'all thought I was crazy.

Carr Bombed
09-20-2011, 01:11 AM
So with your thinking, had Foster told the coaches about the knee last year, they should have sat him on the bench until he was 100%

Where did you get that and what are you talking about? I'm talking about how Foster hid the severity of a injury.

Look, those guys watched Arian for 22 days, where we didn't. They saw what he was doing on the practice field, they can tell if he's going all out, or running gingerly. The doctors said 2-3 weeks, he had that. They watched him practice..... he obviously looked fine.

:) Is this the same people who watched him run with a torn meniscus?

Did anyone see Foster pull up on any run?

Did anyone see Foster limping to the sideling?

Favor his hamstring?

Grab it?

Do anything special on the sideline to make you think it was an issue?

I didn't.

Umm yeah, this thread that you're posting in was started about 30 minutes before they said he reaggravated his hamstring. I can't exactly remember where it was in the game, because I haven't watched it again, but I remember him favoring his leg on a run and then I could see the disappointment/frustration on his face....which is why I started this thread. I started this thread before halftime.

He reaggravated his hamstring. However severe, nobody knows...still doesn't change the fact that he tweaked it. If you want to listen to the teams medical reports go ahead. Arian Foster had a set back. If he didn't then why the are they talking about him missing the game against the Saints?

DocBar
09-20-2011, 06:56 AM
CnD, what do you make of this? LINK (http://www.examiner.com/houston-texans-in-houston/kubiak-on-foster-s-hamstring-injury-it-s-going-to-be-a-process)
At halftime, (Arian) felt like he was tightening up a little bit," explained Kubiak. "He had talked to (Running Backs Coach) Chick (Harris), so we made the decision to move forward with Ben (Tate) and with Steve (Slaton). (Arian) is a little sore today. We’ll see where he’s at Wednesday, but we’re going to stay positive here. I think we took a step forward."

Blake
09-20-2011, 08:53 AM
They sit Arian Foster, fans get pissed. You play Arian Foster, fans get pissed.

You know I am starting to think that you cant please everyone. ;)

Señor Stan
09-20-2011, 09:22 AM
they sit arian foster, fans get pissed. You play arian foster, fans get pissed.

You know i am starting to think that you cant please anyone. ;)

fify

CloakNNNdagger
09-20-2011, 08:35 PM
CnD, what do you make of this? LINK (http://www.examiner.com/houston-texans-in-houston/kubiak-on-foster-s-hamstring-injury-it-s-going-to-be-a-process)

At halftime, (Arian) felt like he was tightening up a little bit," explained Kubiak. "He had talked to (Running Backs Coach) Chick (Harris), so we made the decision to move forward with Ben (Tate) and with Steve (Slaton). (Arian) is a little sore today. We’ll see where he’s at Wednesday, but we’re going to stay positive here. I think we took a step forward."

Seems like a lot of people feel like they can approach these happenings the same way in a player that has not incurred a recent hamstring injury just as they would in a player that has. The implications of doing so would defy all medical logic.

DocBar
09-20-2011, 08:48 PM
Seems like a lot of people feel like they can approach these happenings the same way in a player that has not incurred a recent hamstring injury just as they would in a player that has. The implications of doing so would defy all medical logic.But Kubes said they were gonna be "smart" about it. I guess he should've stayed at a Holiday Inn Express on Saturday nite. :gun:

Texans_Chick
09-20-2011, 08:53 PM
As I understand it, with hamstring injuries, there's only so much you can do diagnosing through MRI. That really, the best way to judge coming back from one is self-reporting of pain.

He was feeling ok. Then he reported fatigue so they pulled him. I'm not sure what else they could do. Hard to work someone back from this sort of injury. One of the biggest risk factors for hamstring injuries is being a fast guy. All the running backs in camp with exception of Obi had issues.

80tothezone
09-20-2011, 09:18 PM
Having had several hamstring injuries myself I can say that it is extremely difficult to tell when it is fully healed. It will feel fine one day then you land on it a little wrong or (in my case) hit the bag a little wrong and snap! It pops again and you r down for a few more weeks. Bottom line is the only way to tell if it is really healed is to go full speed on it after it has stopped hurting. So no they didn't completely mishandle the situation, it's just a shitty situation to be in...

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CloakNNNdagger
09-20-2011, 09:50 PM
Independent of how a player may say they "feel," as a general rule, each time an athlete has any repeat trouble with their hamstring when they go out, they should rest for a LONGER period of time than the last, NOT a SHORTER period.

steelbtexan
09-20-2011, 10:16 PM
Can anybody tell me why Foster was allowed to play in the preseason?

Marcus?

And no I dont wish for Kubiak to fail. I just wish he would've used common sense.

Big Lou
09-20-2011, 10:56 PM
Maybe Arian could head over to the Old World and get some Stem Cells injected in that Hammy.

Wonder if him and the Forehead could get a group rate.....

DocBar
09-20-2011, 11:00 PM
Maybe Arian could head over to the Old World and get some Stem Cells injected in that Hammy.

Wonder if him and the Forehead could get a group rate.....A forehead? That's a fivehead if I ever saw one. Maybe if he got a reduction his neck wouldn't hurt so much!:splits:

80tothezone
09-21-2011, 12:48 AM
Yeh it takes a while no matter what and you have to build up to full speed with light work followed by slightly heavier work etc. It was without a doubt the most annoying injury I ever had. Cause all it takes is one wrong move and pop! Your back to square one...also the only way you know if your going to get a pop is when you have worked back up to full speed... sometimes it will get a little tight and not pop which just means ur done for a few days, back to stretching and flexall454... Like I said it is tough to determine especially if you trying to get back to training/playing by X day...

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