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ChampionTexan
09-14-2011, 05:23 PM
I realize it's not as important as who our #4 or #5 WR is, or whether we can move TE's to WR's mid-season, but I thought it might be interesting to point out that our NFL leading rusher practiced "normally" today and looks to be a decent bet to start this Sunday.

LINK (http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Foster-back-at-practice-and-expected-to-play-vs-2170499.php)

prostock101
09-14-2011, 05:51 PM
I practiced normally today as well. Hopefully I will be in the lineup on my couch on Sunday barring any setbacks.

BigBull17
09-14-2011, 05:57 PM
Got my 12 ounce curls going. I'm in mid-season form. BTW, DA sucks...hahaha. Good to see Foster practicing. Would love to have him for Sunday. For both my Texans and Fantasy Football Team.

Thorn
09-14-2011, 07:03 PM
Does "normal" apply to anything when discussing the Texans? :tease:

CloakNNNdagger
09-14-2011, 07:10 PM
Dolphins starting corner Sean Smith said he's not worried about future cramping. Smith claims he's never had issues with it in Miami before Monday. Smith and fellow corner Vontae Davis cramped up in the second half versus New England and were in and out of the lineup. "I’m in top-notch shape; I was hydrated," Smith said. "I have no clue what the reason for that was."

Speaking of injuries, Miami is getting healthier at running back. Tailback Daniel Thomas (hamstring) and fullback Charles Clay (hamstring) both had full participation in practice. Dolphins head coach Tony Sparano said starting tailback Reggie Bush played every offensive snap last Monday against New England.

Dolphins who did not practice Wednesday were defensive end Jason Taylor (ankle), safety Chris Clemons (hamstring), defensive end Tony McDaniel (hand) and receiver Roberto Wallace (quad).link (http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/31338/notes-from-dolphins-practice)

Sun Life Stadium is a haven for injuries.

Since 1987, the home for the Marlins and Dolphins has been called Joe Robbie Stadium, Pro Player Park, Pro Player Stadium, Dolphins Stadium, Dolphin Stadium, Land Shark Stadium, and Sun Life Stadium. The field is now juggled among the Miami Dolphins, Miami Hurricanes, and Florida Marlins, making it an extremely used surface. With its covered infield, and typically worn and ill-maintained grass field, I'd think more than twice about putting Foster out there after only 2 weeks removed from a RE-injured hamstring.........and if I am correct, the Hurricanes vs. the Ohio State Buckeyes is being played at Sun Life the NIGHT BEFORE.

FYI, Foster is listed as questionable only having LIMITED participation today. Ward didn't practice today and is listed as questionable with an "ankle" AND "shoulder" "problem." Tate is listed as probable with a quad "problem."

ChampionTexan
09-14-2011, 07:14 PM
link (http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/31338/notes-from-dolphins-practice)

Sun Life Stadium is a haven for injuries.

Since 1987, the home for the Marlins and Dolphins has been called Joe Robbie Stadium, Pro Player Park, Pro Player Stadium, Dolphins Stadium, Dolphin Stadium, Land Shark Stadium, and Sun Life Stadium. The field is now juggled among the Miami Dolphins, Miami Hurricanes, and Florida Marlins, making it an extremely used surface. With its covered infield, and typically worn and ill-maintained grass field, I'd think more than twice about putting Foster out there after only 2 weeks removed from a RE-injured hamstring.........and if I am correct, the Hurricanes vs. the Ohio State Buckeyes is being played at Sun Life the NIGHT BEFORE.

FYI, Foster is listed as questionable only having LIMITED participation today. Ward didn't practice today and is listed as questionable with an "ankle" AND "shoulder" "problem." Tate is listed as probable with a quad "problem."

You got a link for that last part? First, Kubiak's description of his practice was "normal", and secondly, as of a couple of years ago, they don't disclose probable, questionable, etc. until Friday.

Edit: Here's the description of "LIMITED" as reflected on HT.com

Foster was listed as limited on the Texans’ injury report, but coach Gary Kubiak said that he took “a normal Wednesday load for a starter.” The key, Kubiak said, will be how Foster feels on Thursday.

LINK (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-3/Foster-returns-to-practice-takes-normal-workload/f6f76dca-f83a-40ca-90bb-eb71ee49931b)

Rey
09-14-2011, 07:16 PM
I realize Tate had a good game and I realize that he is a talented back, but there is not a RB on this roster close to Arian in talent level.

Arian's vision, acceleration and ability to make people miss are top notch. The dude could probably juke a Gorilla in a phone booth.

And as much as people like to dub him a power back, the dude avoids big collisions unless it's absolutely neccessary. Watch him run....He never leaves himself vulnerable for big hits...Andre does that too...They get all that they can, but watch him and Andre...You will see defenders hitting each other harder than they hit them because they are flying in trying to get clean up shots...

CloakNNNdagger
09-14-2011, 07:23 PM
You got a link for that last part? First, Kubiak's description of his practice was "normal", and secondly, as of a couple of years ago, they don't disclose probable, questionable, etc. until Friday.

Edit: Here's the description of "LIMITED" as reflected on HT.com



LINK (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-3/Foster-returns-to-practice-takes-normal-workload/f6f76dca-f83a-40ca-90bb-eb71ee49931b)

Here's the link you're asking about
LINK (http://espn.go.com/nfl/injuries)

ChampionTexan
09-14-2011, 07:27 PM
Here's the link you're asking about
LINK (http://espn.go.com/nfl/injuries)

Thanks!

CloakNNNdagger
09-14-2011, 07:51 PM
From the Sun Sentinel:

It wasn't just the 622 total yards the go-go Patriots produced in a performance straight out of Madden 12.

It wasn't just the record-setting numbers Brady and Co. posted, numbers so outrageous Dolphins cornerback Vontae Davis sat on his stool like a dazed boxer when it was over.

"Six hundred yards … that can't happen," Davis said. "Not in Pop Warner. Not in Little League. That can't happen."

But it did, and one of the major reasons it did was the Dolphins' defense was sucking wind from the second quarter on.

Davis and fellow starting cornerback Sean Smith each left the field for key stretches in the second half with leg cramps. They headed back to the locker room in search of Gatorade, IV drips, anything that could make their rebelling bodies snap back to normal.

And they weren't the only ones in aqua doubled over at the waist between long chase scenes starring Wes Welker, Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski.

"Very surprising," Bell said. "For us to cramp, especially since we practice in this, it's a little unusual. We've been through way hotter days than [Monday] night."link (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sfl-why-cant-the-miami-dolphins-win-at-home-in-september-anymore-20110914,0,2831280.story)

Why so many cramps last game.......and this even being at night? Very high HUMIDITY. Some additional reasons to think before putting Foster out there this game.......high HUMIDITY sky-rockets the risk of suffering muscle cramps and therefore muscle injuries..........especially, HAMMIES.

And if that isn't enough reason to be concerned, let's throw in the fact that there is a greater than 40% chance of thunderstorms on Sunday........already AFTER Friday and Saturday forecasts of thunderstorms. (The field was dry for the Pats game.) That would mean 100% humidity the night of the upcoming game.......along with a wet field which would have already been wet and buggered up by the expected rain and the Hurricanes' game to be played the night before..........a perfect recipe for injury............

beerlover
09-14-2011, 09:08 PM
Having Foster back should really boost the Texans offense. Also should inspire Tate plus learn a lot from how Arian attacks cut-back lanes, keep both rested & grow into an elite NFL RB tandem.

If Toby had been drafted by the Texans he would probably be used @ FB, much like Casey. Multi-dimensional.

Kaiser Toro
09-14-2011, 09:21 PM
I would like to see Foster get some work, but believe this team will be fine without him carrying the load this Sunday. We have a nice stretch of games coming up, and will need him to touch the ball 30 times in each. A healthy Foster is better than bringing back a less than 100% kid.

Manage and leverage the assets for a successful return, and then have a pizza party and live tweet about it.

Texan_Bill
09-14-2011, 09:23 PM
Having Foster back should really boost the Texans offense. Also should inspire Tate plus learn a lot from how Arian attacks cut-back lanes, keep both rested & grow into an elite NFL RB tandem.

If Toby had been drafted by the Texans he would probably be used @ FB, much like Casey. Multi-dimensional.

I'm asking a serious question and let me preface by saying I'm glad AF is back, but my question is this: How will AF's return be a "boost" to the offense? Tate ran for 116 (IIRC) which is what would be AF would run for... give or take.

Again, I'm asking a serious question AND I'm glad AF will return!

Rey
09-14-2011, 10:00 PM
I'm asking a serious question and let me preface by saying I'm glad AF is back, but my question is this: How will AF's return be a "boost" to the offense? Tate ran for 116 (IIRC) which is what would be AF would run for... give or take.

Again, I'm asking a serious question AND I'm glad AF will return!

I saw a few runs this past weekend where I thought, "damn, if Arian would have had that run".

He avoids defenders much better than Tate. Tate is a tackle breaker and Arian is a contact avoider. Tate doesn't suck at all, but I truly believe Arian is the best rb in the NFL. Even over Peterson. The dude rarely puts his head down and runs into a pile for no gain. His vision and ability to get to a lane and accelerate are top notch. I don't know if he'd have put up a bunch more yards, but I have no doubt his ypc would've been higher and he would've bust more long runs.

JMO.

Ryan
09-14-2011, 10:42 PM
I saw a few runs this past weekend where I thought, "damn, if Arian would have had that run".

He avoids defenders much better than Tate. Tate is a tackle breaker and Arian is a contact avoider. Tate doesn't suck at all, but I truly believe Arian is the best rb in the NFL. Even over Peterson. The dude rarely puts his head down and runs into a pile for no gain. His vision and ability to get to a lane and accelerate are top notch. I don't know if he'd have put up a bunch more yards, but I have no doubt his ypc would've been higher and he would've bust more long runs.

JMO.



Agreed. I believe Tate is a bit faster then Arian, and maybe a bit stronger, but Arian hits holes quicker and has better vision IMO as well. If you combined the two together, you'd have one of the best backs of all time.

beerlover
09-14-2011, 10:43 PM
I'm asking a serious question and let me preface by saying I'm glad AF is back, but my question is this: How will AF's return be a "boost" to the offense? Tate ran for 116 (IIRC) which is what would be AF would run for... give or take.

Again, I'm asking a serious question AND I'm glad AF will return!

Arian is proven. One year only but still proven. His health is the only concern, hence if he is back to normal that can only spell good things for the Texans. :koolaid:

DocBar
09-14-2011, 10:55 PM
link (http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/31338/notes-from-dolphins-practice)

Sun Life Stadium is a haven for injuries.

Since 1987, the home for the Marlins and Dolphins has been called Joe Robbie Stadium, Pro Player Park, Pro Player Stadium, Dolphins Stadium, Dolphin Stadium, Land Shark Stadium, and Sun Life Stadium. The field is now juggled among the Miami Dolphins, Miami Hurricanes, and Florida Marlins, making it an extremely used surface. With its covered infield, and typically worn and ill-maintained grass field, I'd think more than twice about putting Foster out there after only 2 weeks removed from a RE-injured hamstring.........and if I am correct, the Hurricanes vs. the Ohio State Buckeyes is being played at Sun Life the NIGHT BEFORE.

FYI, Foster is listed as questionable only having LIMITED participation today. Ward didn't practice today and is listed as questionable with an "ankle" AND "shoulder" "problem." Tate is listed as probable with a quad "problem." Way to go, Captain Jinx our Asses. If one Texan gets hurt, I'm on the next flight to Houston, looking for a skull with a cape. You'll be public enemy #1

Marcus
09-15-2011, 09:11 AM
Way to go, Captain Jinx our Asses. If one Texan gets hurt, I'm on the next flight to Houston, looking for a skull with a cape. You'll be public enemy #1

You're one to talk about 'jinxing our asses' with this "Miami being our next victim" and "rolling onto a win in New Orleans" crap. Have you lost your mind or something? And if it doesn't turn out that way, you're on the "fire guess-who", right?

I'll defer to Cloak on this one. If he plays, that hammy is going to get tweaked again. I said it here.

How's that for 'jinxing our asses'? :pop:

DocBar
09-15-2011, 09:16 AM
You're one to talk about 'jinxing our asses' with this "Miami being our next victim" and "rolling onto a win in New Orleans" crap. Have you lost your mind or something? And if it doesn't turn out that way, you're on the "fire guess-who", right?

I'll defer to Cloak on this one. If he plays, that hammy is going to get tweaked again. I said it here.

How's that for 'jinxing our asses'? :pop:LOL...I forgot to use the sarcasm smilie. I wasn't being serious.

Malloy
09-15-2011, 09:16 AM
In Cloak we trust :)

BigBull17
09-15-2011, 10:36 AM
I'm asking a serious question and let me preface by saying I'm glad AF is back, but my question is this: How will AF's return be a "boost" to the offense? Tate ran for 116 (IIRC) which is what would be AF would run for... give or take.

Again, I'm asking a serious question AND I'm glad AF will return!

Arian is a better back in all aspects. tate is a good spell back, but the talent level isn't really close.

Double Barrel
09-15-2011, 11:29 AM
From the Sun Sentinel:

link (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sfl-why-cant-the-miami-dolphins-win-at-home-in-september-anymore-20110914,0,2831280.story)

Why so many cramps last game.......and this even being at night? Very high HUMIDITY. Some additional reasons to think before putting Foster out there this game.......high HUMIDITY sky-rockets the risk of suffering muscle cramps and therefore muscle injuries..........especially, HAMMIES.

And if that isn't enough reason to be concerned, let's throw in the fact that there is a greater than 40% chance of thunderstorms on Sunday........already AFTER Friday and Saturday forecasts of thunderstorms. (The field was dry for the Pats game.) That would mean 100% humidity the night of the upcoming game.......along with a wet field which would have already been wet and buggered up by the expected rain and the Hurricanes' game to be played the night before..........a perfect recipe for injury............

Great post, man.

Count me in the rest-Arian-until-he's-100% crowd. I think we can beat this Miami team with Tate and Ward. We need Foster against the Saints and Steelers, so no use taking any chances in Miami. Another week of rest will do that hamstring good.

Section516
09-15-2011, 11:46 AM
Great post, man.

Count me in the rest-Arian-until-he's-100% crowd. I think we can beat this Miami team with Tate and Ward. We need Foster against the Saints and Steelers, so no use taking any chances in Miami. Another week of rest will do that hamstring good.

Ditto. We can win without him, with the same game plan. I want him week 3-6 (Saints, Steelers, Raiders, Ravens) Just have to play 100%, four quarters, 60 minutes. We have the talent to win. Just have to execute and play to high standards.

DX-TEX
09-15-2011, 11:49 AM
From the Sun Sentinel:

link (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sfl-why-cant-the-miami-dolphins-win-at-home-in-september-anymore-20110914,0,2831280.story)

Why so many cramps last game.......and this even being at night? Very high HUMIDITY. Some additional reasons to think before putting Foster out there this game.......high HUMIDITY sky-rockets the risk of suffering muscle cramps and therefore muscle injuries..........especially, HAMMIES.

And if that isn't enough reason to be concerned, let's throw in the fact that there is a greater than 40% chance of thunderstorms on Sunday........already AFTER Friday and Saturday forecasts of thunderstorms. (The field was dry for the Pats game.) That would mean 100% humidity the night of the upcoming game.......along with a wet field which would have already been wet and buggered up by the expected rain and the Hurricanes' game to be played the night before..........a perfect recipe for injury............

Not arguing with you Cloak but if ANY visiting team in the league can cope with Miamis heat and humidity, its the Texans. Their TC was in a hell.

DocBar
09-15-2011, 11:49 AM
Arian is a better back in all aspects. tate is a good spell back, but the talent level isn't really close.I thought Tate looked pretty similar to Foster when he played the last couple of games of '09. Regardless, whether or not Foster plays will probably be as dependant on Ward's health as anything else. Does anyone feel comfortable with Tate and Slaton being 1-2 and Foster being 3?

Texan_Bill
09-15-2011, 11:52 AM
Arian is a better back in all aspects. tate is a good spell back, but the talent level isn't really close.

I hear what you're saying, I just don't think there's that much of a drop-off. I would rather sit Foster until we "know" his hammy is 100%.

Texan_Bill
09-15-2011, 11:52 AM
Great post, man.

Count me in the rest-Arian-until-he's-100% crowd. I think we can beat this Miami team with Tate and Ward. We need Foster against the Saints and Steelers, so no use taking any chances in Miami. Another week of rest will do that hamstring good.

Ditto. We can win without him, with the same game plan. I want him week 3-6 (Saints, Steelers, Raiders, Ravens) Just have to play 100%, four quarters, 60 minutes. We have the talent to win. Just have to execute and play to high standards.

Count me in as well.

beerlover
09-15-2011, 11:53 AM
Great post, man.

Count me in the rest-Arian-until-he's-100% crowd. I think we can beat this Miami team with Tate and Ward. We need Foster against the Saints and Steelers, so no use taking any chances in Miami. Another week of rest will do that hamstring good.

I must admit that it's hard for me to understand why or how Gary uses his players in certain situations? Do we really need Arian one game, regardless who it's against, if he could be subject to more serious injury? Was it critical last week to leave Matt Schuab play the entire second half against the Colts leading 34-0 & subject his body to the possibility of injury?

Bottom line he needs to protect key players, like Foster, with kid gloves & make better risk management decisions. To me if he plays it should be on a limited basis only depending on games outcome & other players impact.

Texan_Bill
09-15-2011, 11:54 AM
BTW, is there anything 'normal' about AF? :thinking:

JCTexan
09-15-2011, 12:01 PM
I thought Tate looked pretty similar to Foster when he played the last couple of games of '09. Regardless, whether or not Foster plays will probably be as dependant on Ward's health as anything else. Does anyone feel comfortable with Tate and Slaton being 1-2 and Foster being 3?

I'm comfortable with Tate-Slaton as the 1-2, but if Foster is ready to go why would it not be Tate-Foster if you're giving Arian limited carries?

Playoffs
09-15-2011, 12:27 PM
Kubiak hints at Tate starting over Foster (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Kubiak-hints-at-Tate-starting-over-Foster.html)

Houston Texans coach Gary Kubiak said he believes in rewarding performance, and it sure sounds as if he is about to reward Ben Tate with another start Sunday in Miami in place reigning NFL rushing champion Arian Foster....

“This league is a league of opportunity," Kubiak told Dolphins beat writers in a conference call Wednesday. "There’s a lot of good people backing up or running third and all of a sudden guys get hurt. Some of them go in and take advantage of their opportunities, and some of them don’t. I say it to our team all the team: If you get an opportunity and go out and do it, I’m going to leave you out there.”

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Kubiak-hints-at-Tate-starting-over-Foster.html

TexansForTheW
09-15-2011, 12:33 PM
A pissed off Arian is a great Arian(see Raiders game).

I don't know what Gary is trying to do here. I think Foster is an elite back who deserves to start if he plays. We have seen Tate enough to know he is a good back, but no where near as elusive as Arian is.

DocBar
09-15-2011, 12:33 PM
I'm comfortable with Tate-Slaton as the 1-2, but if Foster is ready to go why would it not be Tate-Foster if you're giving Arian limited carries?I wasn't necessarily suggesting they go Tate-Slaton. I was saying that Foster's availability on Sunday would be dictated by Ward's health. They have him on the injury report with an ankle and shoulder. Tate-Foster is a much better combo than Tate-Slaton.

noxiousdog
09-15-2011, 12:40 PM
A pissed off Arian is a great Arian(see Raiders game).

I don't know what Gary is trying to do here. I think Foster is an elite back who deserves to start if he plays. We have seen Tate enough to know he is a good back, but no where near as elusive as Arian is.

I need to see it in context, but it sounds more like a depth chart move over Ward, not over Foster.


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El Tejano
09-15-2011, 12:43 PM
A pissed off Arian is a great Arian(see Raiders game).

I don't know what Gary is trying to do here. I think Foster is an elite back who deserves to start if he plays. We have seen Tate enough to know he is a good back, but no where near as elusive as Arian is.

The interview was with a Dolphin source. He's just giving them something extra to look at vs. just saying Arian is gonna play.

Rey
09-15-2011, 12:44 PM
Kubiak hints at Tate starting over Foster (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Kubiak-hints-at-Tate-starting-over-Foster.html)

Houston Texans coach Gary Kubiak said he believes in rewarding performance, and it sure sounds as if he is about to reward Ben Tate with another start Sunday in Miami in place reigning NFL rushing champion Arian Foster....

“This league is a league of opportunity," Kubiak told Dolphins beat writers in a conference call Wednesday. "There’s a lot of good people backing up or running third and all of a sudden guys get hurt. Some of them go in and take advantage of their opportunities, and some of them don’t. I say it to our team all the team: If you get an opportunity and go out and do it, I’m going to leave you out there.”

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Kubiak-hints-at-Tate-starting-over-Foster.html


I get what Kubiak is saying and the culture he wants to create, but that has to be the dumbest thing I've heard in a while.

If Matt1 gets nicked and has to take a game off and Matt2 comes in and performs well he is not going to leave Matt2 in the starting line-up.

Ben Tate had a good game against a poor Colts defense. Arian Foster has a season's worth of success against various defenses. Plus he is just better.

Either Kubiak is blowing smoke, trying to decrease Foster's value so they can sign him easier or he's just making a poor choice...IMO.

Rey
09-15-2011, 12:48 PM
I need to see it in context, but it sounds more like a depth chart move over Ward, not over Foster.


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That's a good point...could be...

Marcus
09-15-2011, 12:55 PM
A pissed off Arian is a great Arian(see Raiders game).

I don't know what Gary is trying to do here. I think Foster is an elite back who deserves to start if he plays. We have seen Tate enough to know he is a good back, but no where near as elusive as Arian is.

I think the L word (loyalty) is coloring some judgments here regarding who is better than who, particularly among the fantasy football crowd.

Tate is just getting started. And he's got breakaway speed. Yes, he runs different than Arian, but that doesn't mean anything. That show he put on in that one game in preseason is just a taste of what he can bring to the table if he's healthy.

And he's got breakaway speed. (Oh yeah, I mentioned that already)

thunderkyss
09-15-2011, 01:05 PM
I'm asking a serious question and let me preface by saying I'm glad AF is back, but my question is this: How will AF's return be a "boost" to the offense? Tate ran for 116 (IIRC) which is what would be AF would run for... give or take.

Again, I'm asking a serious question AND I'm glad AF will return!

Against the Colts run defense? That should have been 231 yards.

That's how. Against Miami, Tate may be good for 88 yards, where Foster could get 130.. who knows?

But I agree 100% with Rey, Tate & Ward left a lot on the field that Arian would have gobbled up.

welsh texan
09-15-2011, 01:15 PM
I'm surprised to read some people would be willing to trott Foster out there no matter what his condition if Ward is out.

For me, I want Foster to take as few carries as possible this weekend, sure, if he can handle ~10 carries then let him feel his way back in with some light game time but seriously, when a Steve Slaton is your 4th option what is the hurry to rush Foster back?

Do whats best for Foster and let the next guy up produce for you, thats the sensible way, you have 3 1000 yard rushers and a guy who averages 116 YPG on the roster, don't take any risks.

silvrhand
09-15-2011, 01:19 PM
Keep adrian on the sidelines, Run Ben Tate/Slaton and let Foster/Ward rest, if it was me with this tandem of running back we have I'd do that all year long and let them get some good rest, then by end of year start running whoever is the freshest legs and getting the best play in.

Whether that would end up Foster/Tate, Ward/Slaton, Foster/Slaton, or Slaton/Tate I would care less..

Fantasy lovers would shoot me for this though :)

CloakNNNdagger
09-15-2011, 01:41 PM
Not arguing with you Cloak but if ANY visiting team in the league can cope with Miamis heat and humidity, its the Texans. Their TC was in a hell.

To specifically speak to your heat and humidity comment. Ask yourself how many full speed, full contact practices the Texans have in the hot humidity. Next, you can't extrapolate the short morning outdoor practices to the rigors of a complete, full out, nonstop, full-contact, competition football game..........that's when the muscles are severely affected. There's a reason why so many of the Miami players, who are supposedly used to practicing and playing in the heat and humidity (they also have an air-conditioned practice bubble) have experienced muscle cramping and pulls.

You can put Foster out there knowing all of Foster's past history, the anticipated adverse weather and field conditions that we've discussed..........and he may still come out of it without re-injury. Ultimately, my "crystal ball" is not better than any of yours. But that outcome will not have been due to smarts on the part of the Texans.........it will have been due to luck........and a healthy dose of it.

Rey
09-15-2011, 01:51 PM
If he's not fully healthy or if they think another week if rest will do him good, sit him.

Vickers can also take carries if needed. But between Tate, slate and ward (if he plays) should be adequate.

DX-TEX
09-15-2011, 01:55 PM
To specifically speak to your heat and humidity comment. Ask yourself how many full speed, full contact practices the Texans have in the hot humidity. Next, you can't extrapolate the short morning outdoor practices to the rigors of a complete, full out, nonstop, full-contact, competition football game..........that's when the muscles are severely affected. There's a reason why so many of the Miami players, who are supposedly used to practicing and playing in the heat and humidity (they also have an air-conditioned practice bubble) have experienced muscle cramping and pulls.

You can put Foster out there knowing all of Foster's past history, the anticipated adverse weather and field conditions that we've discussed..........and he may still come out of it without re-injury. Ultimately, my "crystal ball" is not better than any of yours. But that outcome will not have been due to smarts on the part of the Texans.........it will have been due to luck........and a healthy dose of it.


I am not trying to argue with you, I respect your insight and your opinion. Just making a comment.:heart:

CloakNNNdagger
09-15-2011, 02:42 PM
I am not trying to argue with you, I respect your insight and your opinion. Just making a comment.:heart:

Your comment is probably one that has been swimming in many others' heads. I'm glad you brought it up.:highfive:

axisv
09-15-2011, 02:52 PM
Not arguing with you Cloak but if ANY visiting team in the league can cope with Miamis heat and humidity, its the Texans. Their TC was in a hell.

Actually, the humidity in Houston during training camp was nonexistent due to the drought and the air continues to be way drier than usual. HOT, yes. Humid, not so much.

Joeycharp89
09-15-2011, 02:53 PM
I have Arian on my Fantasy team, but I'd still rather him not take any risks. We are still early in the season, and we aren't exactly at risk of losing our play-off spot yet, so there shouldn't be that much pressure on us. Especially due to what everyone else has been saying, we have a really great depth at running back. The only thing that we seem to risk by using Tate/Slaton instead of Foster, is possibly not having an awesome game, just a good one.

I want Foster to have a good season, not one decent game limping around in Miami and end up missing another week for it anyway.

CloakNNNdagger
09-15-2011, 02:58 PM
I have Arian on my Fantasy team, but I'd still rather him not take any risks. We are still early in the season, and we aren't exactly at risk of losing our play-off spot yet, so there shouldn't be that much pressure on us. Especially due to whatever everyone else has been saying, we have a really great depth at running back. The only thing that we seem to risk by using Tate/Slaton instead of Foster, is possibly not having an awesome game, just a good one.


I want Foster to have a good season, not one decent game limping around in Miami and end up missing another week for it anyway.

If he does pull it again, it won't be just "another week."

disaacks3
09-15-2011, 03:06 PM
Asked I'm asking a serious question and let me preface by saying I'm glad AF is back, but my question is this: How will AF's return be a "boost" to the offense? Tate ran for 116 (IIRC) which is what would be AF would run for... give or take.

Again, I'm asking a serious question AND I'm glad AF will return!

Answered Against the Colts run defense? That should have been 231 yards.

That's how. Against Miami, Tate may be good for 88 yards, where Foster could get 130.. who knows?

But I agree 100% with Rey, Tate & Ward left a lot on the field that Arian would have gobbled up.


I think the L word (loyalty) is coloring some judgments here regarding who is better than who, particularly among the fantasy football crowd.

Tate is just getting started. And he's got breakaway speed. Yes, he runs different than Arian, but that doesn't mean anything. That show he put on in that one game in preseason is just a taste of what he can bring to the table if he's healthy.

And he's got breakaway speed. (Oh yeah, I mentioned that already) Tate hasn't shown the breakaway speed yet this year. I'm still waiting to see if he ever gets back to the level of the guy we drafted.

Joeycharp89
09-15-2011, 03:21 PM
If he does pull it again, it won't be just "another week."

Ya that's what I'd be afraid :X

ChampionTexan
09-15-2011, 03:23 PM
Asked

Answered


Tate hasn't shown the breakaway speed yet this year. I'm still waiting to see if he ever gets back to the level of the guy we drafted.

Well, at least you've given him one whole game.

TexansForTheW
09-15-2011, 03:30 PM
I think the L word (loyalty) is coloring some judgments here regarding who is better than who, particularly among the fantasy football crowd.

Tate is just getting started. And he's got breakaway speed. Yes, he runs different than Arian, but that doesn't mean anything. That show he put on in that one game in preseason is just a taste of what he can bring to the table if he's healthy.

And he's got breakaway speed. (Oh yeah, I mentioned that already)

Is this Spencer Tillman?

Want to talk about real breakaway speed? Arian Foster burnt the Raiders safety Huff last year who runs a 4.3 and had an angle on him.

Arian showed it for two games in 09, sixteen in 2010, and will once again in 2011. I think Tate has moved ahead of Ward in the depth chart after what Rey has said, but I seriously doubt Tate is as good as Foster or anywhere near it.

Watch Foster run, he makes people miss, is a work horse, and is proven in the passing game. Get out of here with that Tate is as good as Arian talk. There is no loyalty here, its easy to see who is the best back on the field.

gary
09-15-2011, 03:33 PM
Whether or not Foster plays this week should not have much barring on the outcome of the game but here is hoping he does play and nothing happens to him physically.

disaacks3
09-15-2011, 03:37 PM
Well, at least you've given him one whole game.

Incorrect, I've given him this year's pre-season games as well. He has yet to show the burst he had in the Pre-season game (last year) he went down in.

I'm not down on him at all, but he's not back to the speed level he started at. The year of "book learning" the offense may actually help in the long run.

Marcus
09-15-2011, 03:53 PM
Man, when some of you jump on a RB's bandwagon, you go head first, I'll say that.

Rey
09-15-2011, 03:54 PM
I think the L word (loyalty) is coloring some judgments here regarding who is better than who, particularly among the fantasy football crowd.

Tate is just getting started. And he's got breakaway speed. Yes, he runs different than Arian, but that doesn't mean anything. That show he put on in that one game in preseason is just a taste of what he can bring to the table if he's healthy.

And he's got breakaway speed. (Oh yeah, I mentioned that already)

Ben Tate is not the back that Arian is. Not even sure how anyone could watch the both of them run and conclude that they are within the same realm.

Maybe Tate gets better but they are not at the same level right now.

I have not seen Tate do anything that I think Arian couldn't do. I've seen Arian do several things that I question whether Tate could do.

fiasco west
09-15-2011, 04:06 PM
Ben Tate is not the back that Arian is. Not even sure how anyone could watch the both of them run and preclude that they are within the same realm.

Maybe Tate gets better but they are not at the same level right now.

I have not seen Tate do anything that I think Arian couldn't do. I've seen Arian do several things that I question whether Tate could do.

I agree, but Tate looks to me that he can be a 1,000 yard rusher. Maybe not consistently.

Arian is a special player. He breaks out of the backfield, he jukes guys out of their shoes, and he's a threat to take it to the endzone most every time.

Tate I don't think we've seen that from him yet. But he can chew up yards if you give him the carries. He's not the gamechanger Arian is.

thunderkyss
09-15-2011, 05:12 PM
Do whats best for Foster and let the next guy up produce for you, thats the sensible way, you have 3 1000 yard rushers and a guy who averages 116 YPG on the roster, don't take any risks.

To be fair, none of us know the severity of Foster's hammy. He got hurt in the game against the 49ers, sat against the Vikings.... that's one week. Sat against the Colts.. that's two weeks... & now we're looking at the Dolphins 3 weeks later.

If the man is healthy, & the Texans have got doctors to tell them what they think. They also have access to Arian, to see how he feels.

I understand being cautious, but overly cautious doesn't make sense. You put your best horses out there to win the game & right now, that's Foster. If we open up a 30 point half time lead.... yeah, it's time to sit him. But other than that, it is what it is.

TexansForTheW
09-15-2011, 05:35 PM
Its funny, that we were bashing Clayton and the guys from ESPN calling Foster's injury a 3-4 week healing period. They were actually dead on.

TheMatrix31
09-15-2011, 06:33 PM
I agree, but Tate looks to me that he can be a 1,000 yard rusher. Maybe not consistently.

Arian is a special player. He breaks out of the backfield, he jukes guys out of their shoes, and he's a threat to take it to the endzone most every time.

Tate I don't think we've seen that from him yet. But he can chew up yards if you give him the carries. He's not the gamechanger Arian is.

I've made the comparison quite often. When I watch Arian Foster, I see Terrell Davis.

HJam72
09-15-2011, 06:38 PM
Arian is the man for practicing normally. :koolaid:

DocBar
09-15-2011, 08:07 PM
To be fair, none of us know the severity of Foster's hammy. He got hurt in the game against the 49ers, sat against the Vikings.... that's one week. Sat against the Colts.. that's two weeks... & now we're looking at the Dolphins 3 weeks later.

If the man is healthy, & the Texans have got doctors to tell them what they think. They also have access to Arian, to see how he feels.

I understand being cautious, but overly cautious doesn't make sense. You put your best horses out there to win the game & right now, that's Foster. If we open up a 30 point half time lead.... yeah, it's time to sit him. But other than that, it is what it is.You also have to have honest input from the player about pain at the injury site. Every player in football will hide an innjury during the season to get on the field.

b0ng
09-16-2011, 10:03 AM
Incorrect, I've given him this year's pre-season games as well. He has yet to show the burst he had in the Pre-season game (last year) he went down in.

I'm not down on him at all,

http://gifsforum.com/images/image/not%20sure%20if%20serious/mini/not_sure_if_serious_8.jpg

Rey
09-16-2011, 10:16 AM
Well, apparently Foster is playing...

Rey
09-16-2011, 10:35 AM
Running back Arian Foster returned to practice Wednesday for the first time since suffering a strained hamstring in the third preseason game.

Foster, the defending NFL rushing champion, participated in every drill. If he continues to practice, he'll start at Miami on Sunday.

"Arian took a normal Wednesday load for a starter," coach Gary Kubiak said. "Everything was positive today, so we'll see.

"It's about him getting his confidence back and just cutting it loose. I told him to be smart today, but he's on top of his stuff. Had he not been out for a few weeks, I wouldn't have known. Hopefully, (Foster) wakes up tomorrow and he (feels) good coming out of it."

Derrick Ward, who started in the 34-7 victory over Indianapolis, didn't practice because of a sprained ankle. Ben Tate, who rushed for 116 yards and a touchdown, will back up Foster.

Receiver Kevin Walter (bruised collarbone) didn't practice. Jacoby Jones was elevated into a starting role opposite Andre Johnson.



http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/foster-practices-with-texans-561208.html

disaacks3
09-16-2011, 10:36 AM
http://gifsforum.com/images/image/not%20sure%20if%20serious/mini/not_sure_if_serious_8.jpg

Definitely serious, I was VERY high on Tate when we drafted him and was excited the first time he hit the field. He just doesn't look like he's as fast (yet) as the guy who went down that day.

BigBull17
09-16-2011, 10:52 AM
Is this Spencer Tillman?

Want to talk about real breakaway speed? Arian Foster burnt the Raiders safety Huff last year who runs a 4.3 and had an angle on him.

Arian showed it for two games in 09, sixteen in 2010, and will once again in 2011. I think Tate has moved ahead of Ward in the depth chart after what Rey has said, but I seriously doubt Tate is as good as Foster or anywhere near it.

Watch Foster run, he makes people miss, is a work horse, and is proven in the passing game. Get out of here with that Tate is as good as Arian talk. There is no loyalty here, its easy to see who is the best back on the field.

I think people go overboard in thinking Foster is a system RB. He is a complete package. He is fast, has spidey senses, and can cut on a dime. Just a special football player people under value, IMO.

Marcus
09-16-2011, 11:19 AM
You also have to have honest input from the player about pain at the injury site. Every player in football will hide an innjury during the season to get on the field.

Yep, and if he tweaks it again, who should get the blame?

Section516
09-16-2011, 12:18 PM
Yep, and if he tweaks it again, who should get the blame?

The coaches/medical staff. They should know how to prevent a player from injuring themselves.

Beason in Carolina, known Achilles problem, giving him problems all season. Took the field game one, ruptured it, out for season. Was one game of hobbled play worth 15 of none?

Marcus
09-16-2011, 01:39 PM
The coaches/medical staff. They should know how to prevent a player from injuring themselves.

Beason in Carolina, known Achilles problem, giving him problems all season. Took the field game one, ruptured it, out for season. Was one game of hobbled play worth 15 of none?

Yeah, but just like Docbar said, you have to have honest input from the player himself about pain at the injury site. And since he was so "kind" enough to put his MRI up for display to where people like Cloak can look at it and say it's a minimum 4 week recovery time .....

Put me in the group that says he's not ready yet. If he does play this Sunday, I'll hope for the best. I hope he gashes them for 250 yards and wins Player of the Week.

But if he tweaks that hammy again, as I suspect he will, we'll all have a lively discussion as to who should be blamed, and who shouldn't. :evil:

b0ng
09-16-2011, 02:40 PM
Definitely serious, I was VERY high on Tate when we drafted him and was excited the first time he hit the field. He just doesn't look like he's as fast (yet) as the guy who went down that day.

didn't he break himself like halfway through the first drive in the first game of the preseason or am I thinking of somebody else?

CloakNNNdagger
09-16-2011, 10:16 PM
From today's Official Texans site:

Head Coach Gary Kubiak
(on RB Arian Foster) “He looks ready to play. He’s had a good week. I think he’ll be fine. He had a really good day yesterday and today. We’re pretty limited in what we do today, but he was fine. As long as there’s no setbacks, he’s ready to go.”

Somewhat humorous seeing that a "setback" would be somewhat difficult since all he could be dealing with is a walk through.

Even more humorous is that one writeup actually printed this out.

Houston Texans Pro-Bowl running back Arian Foster will start Sunday at Miami unless he suffers some kind of setback in Saturday’s walkthrough. link (http://1340thefan.com/houston-texans-arian-foster-expected-to-play-sunday-at-miami/)

MEGA SWATT
09-17-2011, 01:35 AM
I just hope he does not tweak it again.

Marcus
09-17-2011, 02:03 AM
I know one thing for sure.

I'll be holding my breath everytime he carries the ball. And that's not a good way to be.

run-david-run
09-17-2011, 05:42 AM
Agreed. I believe Tate is a bit faster then Arian, and maybe a bit stronger, but Arian hits holes quicker and has better vision IMO as well. If you combined the two together, you'd have one of the best backs of all time.

Not to mention the threat of the NFL leading rusher opens up the play action even more than it already is (unless you're playing the Colts, then it's always open).
Arian is also proven on passing down as a receiver and blocker. Tate is good. Foster was consistently great last year.

brad77
09-18-2011, 09:19 AM
didn't he break himself like halfway through the first drive in the first game of the preseason or am I thinking of somebody else?

I do believe you are right.....IMO I think we should give him another week to rest. We need his talents down the road against tougher opponents. As has been said several times already, who will get the blame if he goes down today.

Tate has looked good and is going to move the football for us. no reason to put Foster in unless we are getting it handed to us. I don't think the D is going to let that happen. If Schaub comes out and plays at full potential, we will roll through these guys no problem.

Like I said...One more week of rest then we have a full 100% out of the #1 back in the league..Its just not worth the risk IMO....

thunderkyss
09-18-2011, 10:07 AM
I do believe you are right.....IMO I think we should give him another week to rest. We need his talents down the road against tougher opponents. As has been said several times already, who will get the blame if he goes down today.

& who will take the blame if he goes down next week, or the week after that?

You've got to draw the line somewhere. If the experts said three weeks & he should be 100%, & it's been three weeks... he should play.


Like I said...One more week of rest then we have a full 100% out of the #1 back in the league..Its just not worth the risk IMO....

Who is to say he's not 100% today?

GP
09-18-2011, 10:21 AM
didn't he break himself like halfway through the first drive in the first game of the preseason or am I thinking of somebody else?

He busted off a HUGE run down the left side of the field, at Reliant, and was tackled from behind. Tore up his ankle.

Some say it was the field, but I think it was just speed + weight + wonky angle during the tackle = messed up ankle. Just my $0.02.

He looks as fast to me as he did last year. He has better open-field speed than Slaton. Not much better, but I think he has a step on Steve once they're both clear and into the second level.

hradhak
09-18-2011, 10:24 AM
Some of the blame has to lay with Foster too. He's the only one who can say how his hammie is feeling. If he is playing and doesn't say his leg is hurting and pulls it again, then you gotta put the blame on him. I"m fine with Tate and Ward/Slaton carrying the load if Foster is even a little under the weather.

drs23
09-18-2011, 10:27 AM
Some of the blame has to lay with Foster too. He's the only one who can say how his hammie is feeling. If he is playing and doesn't say his leg is hurting and pulls it again, then you gotta put the blame on him. I"m fine with Tate and Ward/Slaton carrying the load if Foster is even a little under the weather.

Generally speaking I agree. This game Ward is out with a sprained/twisted ankle. Will not play.

HJam72
09-18-2011, 11:12 AM
I agree. Foster should not play if he's not absolutely sure he's ready, cuz we don't want to lose him.

HJam72
09-18-2011, 11:13 AM
Generally speaking I agree. This game Ward is out with a sprained/twisted ankle. Will not play.

Awe, man! What a wuss. Get out there and play!

CloakNNNdagger
09-18-2011, 11:22 AM
Awe, man! What a wuss. Get out there and play!

Dang right. He wasn't put on the "out" until just recently, despite the fact that earlier this week he was in a boot.

As an aside, I don't understand why the Texans website can't give us accurate up-to-date information on their injury reports, including status. These are not kept secret from the NFL or other teams. Is it just laziness on the part of whoever maintains the website?

Marcus
09-18-2011, 11:58 AM
Who is to say he's not 100% today?

I'm saying it. I hope he doesn't prove me right, but yeah, just sayin.....

Rey
09-18-2011, 12:40 PM
He busted off a HUGE run down the left side of the field, at Reliant, and was tackled from behind. Tore up his ankle.

Some say it was the field, but I think it was just speed + weight + wonky angle during the tackle = messed up ankle. Just my $0.02.

He looks as fast to me as he did last year. He has better open-field speed than Slaton. Not much better, but I think he has a step on Steve once they're both clear and into the second level.

I could've sworn that happened in Arizona.

thunderkyss
09-18-2011, 12:42 PM
If they are being Cautious with Foster, then we're going to see a heavy dose of Tate & Slaton.

I think it's going to be a close game, I hope these guys handles don't add to it.

ChampionTexan
09-18-2011, 12:48 PM
I could've sworn that happened in Arizona.

That's because it did - on a "HUGE" 12 yard run.

CloakNNNdagger
09-18-2011, 12:50 PM
I could've sworn that happened in Arizona.

It did.

steelbtexan
09-18-2011, 07:29 PM
Any news on Foster?

Did he reinjure his hammy?

How bad did he hurt it? Or was Gary holding him out because the field was in bad condition?

Naiirb
09-18-2011, 07:35 PM
Any news on Foster?

Did he reinjure his hammy?

How bad did he hurt it? Or was Gary holding him out because the field was in bad condition?

Reaggrevated the hammy according to the Texans twitter. Should of saved him for the porous Saints run D. Seems like this is going to be a season long issue now.