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Texanmike02
09-11-2011, 06:19 PM
OK. Last year after walking out of Reliant in week 1 I had this thought in the back of my mind. I was concerned about the yards that PM put up. Today, from the comfort of my couch, I wonder if we have another nemesis.

I'm not concerned that we didn't score in the second half, I'm concerned that we didn't execute well at all. I understand you run the ball but the two turnovers were just plain unacceptable. If it happens against a team not missing its best player that is a serious problem.

Two years ago we started strong and finished slow. Last year we started slow and finished strong and we can't do that again. This team needs to show it can play 4 quarters of football. Execute for a full game or we're in some serious trouble over the course of a season.

Mike

FirstTexansFan
09-11-2011, 06:28 PM
I didn't read as much into our non-second half as it seems many on the boards here have. I think their are many reasons to take your foot off the gas with a 34 point lead, regardless of the pains many of us suffer from memories of a playoff game in Buffalo many Moons ago :)

It's the first game of the season, you don't show your entire hand to the rest of the teams you will meet along the way. Second, it's a division opponent, whom you will meet again on their turf.

Yes, I understand we've suffered with issues of consistency in the past, but I just didn't see that today. The defense was able to turn it on and off as necessary in the second half, and the offense was just running to burn the clock, except for the stupid interception down on their end of the field early in the 3rd. Lets find a way to celebrate our victories with a smile instead of predictions of doom. You gotta believe sooner or later... buy into it, drink the kool-aid :)

Marcus
09-11-2011, 06:30 PM
Why the negativity?

You can't expect a team to be fired up after coming out of the locker room up 34=0. That's unreasonable.

Edit: And yes, I remember 35-3, so don't even.

Ryan
09-11-2011, 06:34 PM
Well we were missing one of our best players as well.

I was concerned last year about the near 500 yards Peyton threw for last year, but honestly this didn't concern me as much. Schaub wasn't very sharp today at times and that interception definitely has no excuse, but he always seems to get better as the season progresses. It's likely that Foster would not have fumbled in that situation either, but you never really know.

It's definitely something that could use improvement, and Kubiak was displeased with that as well, so i think it will get better. If your biggest problem as a team is offensive execution while up 34 points, then you're probably in decent shape.

Scooter
09-11-2011, 06:45 PM
2 turnovers kept it from being a 40+ point win even in turtle mode. we went into turtle with our rookie and 4th string backs sharing duties, and that directly resulted in the turnovers (forcing a dump to slaton and tate's fumble). i wouldnt read too much from this one outside of the obvious - we absolutely crushed the colts in every way.

Hervoyel
09-11-2011, 06:47 PM
It was predictable and understandable. I don't like it either. I was thinking "40+ points on the Colts? No way!" but then I gave it some thought and realized that we'd be shutting it down and trying to kill clock in the second half. Gary goes conservative once the lead surpasses 10 points. Always has. Probably always will.

TimeKiller
09-11-2011, 06:57 PM
The Tale of Two Halves:
By Timekiller

Act 1; Half 1

The first quarter...
The defense stomped a hole into the Colts and their hope of looking like a real team without their savior.

De ja 2nd quarter!
+Note, for 2nd quarter repeat 1st scene entirely+

Intermission

Act 2; Half 2

For once the offense went fireworks, handed it off to the defense and the defense held up it's end of the bargain. Yeah, the 2nd half offense in no way resembled the 1st half....because it didn't need to. Would 60 points have done it? Doubt it. Somebody would find a way to pick at 60 points. How many times did they run that one running play? Like 40 times. By the time the horsies figured it out it was too late and the Texans defense was too mean.

EllisUnit
09-11-2011, 06:58 PM
OK. Last year after walking out of Reliant in week 1 I had this thought in the back of my mind. I was concerned about the yards that PM put up. Today, from the comfort of my couch, I wonder if we have another nemesis.

I'm not concerned that we didn't score in the second half, I'm concerned that we didn't execute well at all. I understand you run the ball but the two turnovers were just plain unacceptable. If it happens against a team not missing its best player that is a serious problem.

Two years ago we started strong and finished slow. Last year we started slow and finished strong and we can't do that again. This team needs to show it can play 4 quarters of football. Execute for a full game or we're in some serious trouble over the course of a season.

Mike

Well the D was playing soft zone in the second half. I wish they would just stay aggressive, i never understand why Defense lets up just cause u have a big lead.

hradhak
09-11-2011, 07:00 PM
It was predictable and understandable. I don't like it either. I was thinking "40+ points on the Colts? No way!" but then I gave it some thought and realized that we'd be shutting it down and trying to kill clock in the second half. Gary goes conservative once the lead surpasses 10 points. Always has. Probably always will.

I don't think this was a bad call on Kubes part today. I'm hoping now that our defense can shut it down after we get a little bit of a lead. If only we played the Colts every week...:cow:

FirstTexansFan
09-11-2011, 07:13 PM
If only we played the Colts every week...:cow:

I never thought I'd see that statement on these boards... but it's the truth at this point LOL

TexanBacker93
09-11-2011, 07:19 PM
I don't have any feelings of doom. While the offense didn't put any points on the board in the 2nd half I didn't see a let down on the defensive side of the ball. Yeah, they scored, but on a very short field after the fumble. That fumble doesn't worry me yet since I haven't seen that it's been a problem for him. He was trying to get extra yards and it came out. The first Schaub interception was actually the fault of the Colts defense. If Schaub hadn't rolled out and seen Andre so open he would have set his feet and thrown it lower.

Overall, I was excited about what our defense brought to the table.

Texanmike02
09-11-2011, 09:53 PM
Its not what we did on defense that worries me. It is the way we were sloppy on offense. Our defense was bailed out with a couple of penalties too. I'm just saying that while I'm happy overall, there are a few things that really bother me.

On offense it is that we were really sloppy in the second half. Putting it on coast doesn't mean you stop executing. We stopped executing. That has been a problem for 3 years and we have almost zero reason to believe its different this year because even in our biggest blow out of an opponent, maybe ever, we still did it.

Mike

burro
09-11-2011, 10:05 PM
To quote a Colts fan
I kind of get the feeling Houston called off the dogs.

Like it or not, Kubiak is not Bill Belichick. He came out of the locker room with a 34-0 and sat on it. Only fans of the Texans have experienced enough trauma to find signs of impending doom in a 27 point victory over its most challenging division opponent.

:kubepalm:

TexansFight
09-11-2011, 10:10 PM
Don't panic. We should have scored another 10 points. Schaub's brain fart and Tate's fumble on back to back series sucked. I am typically a glass half empty guy but even I can see that you are making too much out of this.

Bull Pen 1
09-11-2011, 10:12 PM
I didn't read as much into our non-second half as it seems many on the boards here have. I think their are many reasons to take your foot off the gas with a 34 point lead, regardless of the pains many of us suffer from memories of a playoff game in Buffalo many Moons ago :)

It's the first game of the season, you don't show your entire hand to the rest of the teams you will meet along the way. Second, it's a division opponent, whom you will meet again on their turf.

Yes, I understand we've suffered with issues of consistency in the past, but I just didn't see that today. The defense was able to turn it on and off as necessary in the second half, and the offense was just running to burn the clock, except for the stupid interception down on their end of the field early in the 3rd. Lets find a way to celebrate our victories with a smile instead of predictions of doom. You gotta believe sooner or later... buy into it, drink the kool-aid :)

I'll buy in after week 8. I'm not convinced I see games 4-8.

thunderkyss
09-11-2011, 10:15 PM
I'm not concerned that we didn't score in the second half, I'm concerned that we didn't execute well at all. I understand you run the ball but the two turnovers were just plain unacceptable. If it happens against a team not missing its best player that is a serious problem.

Mike

"Didn't execute well at all" ?

Really, what game were you watching?

Offensively, we had 26 plays outside the two minute warning, & two turnovers.

At all?

We gained 139 yards in the second half. 5.5 yards per play (not great..... not "at all" )

WE MARCHED DOWN THE FIELD ON OUR SECOND POSSESSION... 70 YARDS...

& the Defense played a heck of a game, even in the second half.

At all??

You guys must be drinking the blue Koolaide.

Put that shit down, come get some of this red stuff.

Wolf
09-11-2011, 10:15 PM
I wasn't worried about it.I figured with a 34 point lead, you call in the dogs, hunt is over. Maybe it is because I have a lot more confidence in wade running the defense against collins

Bull Pen 1
09-11-2011, 10:23 PM
"Didn't execute well at all" ?

Really, what game were you watching?

Offensively, we had 26 plays outside the two minute warning, & two turnovers.

At all?

We gained 139 yards in the second half. 5.5 yards per play (not great..... not "at all" )

WE MARCHED DOWN THE FIELD ON OUR SECOND POSSESSION... 70 YARDS...

& the Defense played a heck of a game, even in the second half.

At all??

You guys must be drinking the blue Koolaide.

Put that shit down, come get some of this red stuff.

The one that didn't score any points in the second half, not even a field goal on that 70 yard drive you're talking about,

ThaShark316
09-11-2011, 10:23 PM
Gotta find SOMETHING to complain about.

thunderkyss
09-11-2011, 10:26 PM
The one that didn't score any points in the second half, not even a field goal on that 70 yard drive you're talking about,

The point we're talking about is the offense not looking good at all in the second half.

Yes, that's the drive I'm talking about. They looked pretty good up till that one play..... how can you argue they didn't look good at all? that they didn't execute at all?

That's just hateraide.

Wolf
09-11-2011, 10:28 PM
I'd be more worried if we squeaked out a win of ,say, 14-10

With that said, protecting the football is my concern

dtran04
09-11-2011, 10:30 PM
I guess some people would prefer 17 pts in each half. That way, it seems like they play "all four quarters".

I'll take 34 in the first half every time and take my chances.

I'll take our tale of two halves over the Colts' tale of two halves. They played "better" in the 2nd half right?

edo783
09-11-2011, 10:34 PM
The one that didn't score any points in the second half, not even a field goal on that 70 yard drive you're talking about,

And that would have got us credit for another win?? Or, MAYBE, it was just safer to hand off the ball to our 3 team RB and keep out main folks out of the field of fire while we ran down the clock. IMO, we probably should have pulled AJ & Matt in the 4th, but they weren't really much involved, so maybe from a continuity thing it was OK they were in. But this crap about wanting to make more scores is just that, crap talk for around the water cooler when you unzip and say "See, mines bigger". It has ZIP to do with the win. By 1 point or 100, it is all the same .....a "W" and no extra points are given for style.

Texanmike02
09-11-2011, 10:49 PM
The point we're talking about is the offense not looking good at all in the second half.

Yes, that's the drive I'm talking about. They looked pretty good up till that one play..... how can you argue they didn't look good at all? that they didn't execute at all?

That's just hateraide.

No, its not hateraide. Its just being realistic. If you want to argue about if they executed within a drive, fine they did. At the end of the day none of their drives led to anything. They failed to execute often enough that they couldn't score on a defense they ran all over the field the first half. That is not executing.

Mike

ObsiWan
09-11-2011, 10:55 PM
Gotta find SOMETHING to complain about.

The point we're talking about is the offense not looking good at all in the second half.

Yes, that's the drive I'm talking about. They looked pretty good up till that one play..... how can you argue they didn't look good at all? that they didn't execute at all?

That's just hateraide.

It's not just us....
(on if this is the best performance since he’s been here) “That’s the best half of football we have probably played as a team. It was explosive in every area: offense, defense and special teams. We have to be that way. They’re a heck of a football team and it’s a big division rival. We talked about starting fast as a football team and we’ve had a good camp. I would like to see us finish better. I’m talking offensively. I don’t like the way we turned the ball over in the fourth quarter. But it was a great group effort. We had explosion from every facet of the football team and that’s what you’re looking for.”

LINK (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-3/Quotes-Texans-vs-Colts-postgame/28a35583-5b11-4e68-89d9-b9a16c8d8fc2)

That's all we're saying. We played very well but it could have been better. If that makes us haters, then Kubiak's a hater right with us. He saw it too.

thunderkyss
09-11-2011, 11:08 PM
It's not just us....


LINK (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-3/Quotes-Texans-vs-Colts-postgame/28a35583-5b11-4e68-89d9-b9a16c8d8fc2)

That's all we're saying. We played very well but it could have been better. If that makes us haters, then Kubiak's a hater right with us. He saw it too.

Oh... yeah...

if Kubiak says we didn't play well "at all" in the second half, then you've got a point. That is not what he said. & that is not what I've been responding to.

I'm talking about this, "Tale of two halves" crap.... no one mentions both Ward & Walter were missing from the second half. Do you think the game would have been different if that were Ward or Tate on that play, not Slaton? Chances are that would have been a run by one of those bigger backs.... especially with Walter blocking on the end.

And then the other thread.... talking about conservative playcalling, or calling off the dogs... the dogs weren't called in till after the second turnover.

That was a good game. 2 mistakes in the second half... & that's what we've got to talk about?

The Defense owned the second half, but we've got to stew on 2 offensive mistakes in a 34-7 win.... that's hateraide...

ObsiWan
09-11-2011, 11:32 PM
Oh... yeah...

if Kubiak says we didn't play well "at all" in the second half, then you've got a point. That is not what he said. & that is not what I've been responding to.

I'm talking about this, "Tale of two halves" crap.... no one mentions both Ward & Walter were missing from the second half. Do you think the game would have been different if that were Ward or Tate on that play, not Slaton? Chances are that would have been a run by one of those bigger backs.... especially with Walter blocking on the end.

And then the other thread.... talking about conservative playcalling, or calling off the dogs... the dogs weren't called in till after the second turnover.

That was a good game. 2 mistakes in the second half... & that's what we've got to talk about?

The Defense owned the second half, but we've got to stew on 2 offensive mistakes in a 34-7 win.... that's hateraide...

Show me where I posted that "we didn't play well at all".

I said, to put it very briefly, We played well overall, but got sloppy in the second half. That's what I said. That's what Kubiak said.

Regarding that 2nd half INT, since you brought up the mistakes, that's on the offensive brain trust. Why on God's green Earth, with a first and ten at the 10 (or 11) and up 34-zip, wouldn't you just run it three times up the gut and kick the FG?? You burn up more clock with each rushing attempt and we get three points. A FG right there wouldn't really be considered running up the score.
But again, that's on the offensive coordinator.

thunderkyss
09-12-2011, 12:05 AM
Show me where I posted that "we didn't play well at all".

I said, to put it very briefly, We played well overall, but got sloppy in the second half. That's what I said. That's what Kubiak said.


I wasn't talking about you. I was posting in response to someone who said we didn't "execute at all" in the second half.

Norg
09-12-2011, 12:10 AM
Who fumbled the ball again i missed it TATE thats why he will be in the dog house but hey rookie crinkles IMO Hopefully when foster comes back this wont happen

And IMO it would have been a shutout if tate hadent fumbled the ball

Vinateri missing the FG was EPIC IMO

Double Barrel
09-12-2011, 11:59 AM
Last year we started slow and finished strong and we can't do that again.

Do wha......? :um:

Last year we started 4-2 and went 2-8 over the next 10 games, eventually hitting our annual 5-7 mark for the fourth year in a row.

Section516
09-12-2011, 12:26 PM
Do wha......? :um:

Last year we started 4-2 and went 2-8 over the next 10 games, eventually hitting our annual 5-7 mark for the fourth year in a row.

I think hes talking on a game by game basis, 1st half v 2nd

b0ng
09-12-2011, 12:28 PM
It was predictable and understandable. I don't like it either. I was thinking "40+ points on the Colts? No way!" but then I gave it some thought and realized that we'd be shutting it down and trying to kill clock in the second half. Gary goes conservative once the lead surpasses 10 points. Always has. Probably always will.

You don't know what you're talking about, unless you just didn't watch the second half. We were 9 pass plays and 11 running plays before we decided to run the clock out on our last drive in the 4th quarter (with about 5 minutes to go).

Yeah, we stopped feeding Andre the ball, whoopty ****ing doo, I'm glad they did. They still let Schaub throw the ball around, when it was painfully obvious that the Colts had no answers for our defense. That is not conservative.

Texanmike02
09-12-2011, 01:06 PM
I think hes talking on a game by game basis, 1st half v 2nd

Yes.

Mike

hookinreds
09-12-2011, 01:17 PM
I was at a sports bar so couldn't hear the TV, but was suprised to see Tate still in the game (thinking about his hammy) until I figured out that maybe they were trying to get him 100+ for his first NFL regular season game. Then I learned that Ward had an ankle tweek when I saw Slaton in the game. It really looked like we could have a nice plug in play opportunity here if the line keeps doing what they did yesterday.

Mr teX
09-12-2011, 01:41 PM
i heard this lame reasoning this morning on 790 from a caller. This isnt college football where u have to earn style points to impress some panel of psuedo-intellectuals that your the best in the nation. this is PRO sports, where a little dignity is afforded your opponent. up 34 entering the 2nd half & dominating the way we had been, i knew we'd call off the dogs b/c every pro team would do so in that situation..& rightfully so. up by that much, u don't pile on just b/c u know u can. u cut the playbook in half & run the ball so as to control the clock & only pass when u need to. if u still wind up scoring that way, it usually takes lots of time off the clock & no real gamesmanship has been forfeited by either team.

the larger goal at that point for 99% of coaches is to get out of the game as fast & as healthy as possible while also providing an opportunity for your opponent to "bow out gracefully" in a back-handed kind of way.

now having said all that, you still want to see the team EXECUTE better in whatever they were running in the 2nd half, but lack of execution still doesnt equivocate to them taking their foot off the gas imo. they did what any team would've done in that situation...yes even belichick. anyone who says otherwise hasn't watched a patriots game very closely.

Dutchrudder
09-12-2011, 02:14 PM
I liked how the defense played 60 minutes of good football. No lack of execution on their part. They were pitching a shutout until Ben Tate fumbled the ball and gave the Colts great field position. If the defense can play 60 minutes a game, the offense can get by with only 35...

76Texan
09-12-2011, 02:25 PM
i liked how the defense played 60 minutes of good football. No lack of execution on their part. They were pitching a shutout until ben tate fumbled the ball and gave the colts great field position. If the defense can play 60 minutes a game, the offense can get by with only 35...

lol!

eriadoc
09-12-2011, 02:30 PM
Forget 35-3. How about the leads on the Colts in the past? How about the Rosencopter game? How about the big lead on the Rams in the Fitzpatrick game? There are way more recent and pertinent reasons to have concern about blowing a second half lead than 35-3.

Nonetheless, I'm not concerned about the let-up. The INTs bug me, but letting up is ... well, not OK really, but understandable. This team is good enough to nurse a 34 point lead, whereas past Texan teams may not have been. And like I said in another thread, if this team is going to pick only one half to play, I'd rather it be the first half and play from ahead.

Mr teX
09-12-2011, 03:37 PM
Forget 35-3. How about the leads on the Colts in the past? How about the Rosencopter game? How about the big lead on the Rams in the Fitzpatrick game? There are way more recent and pertinent reasons to have concern about blowing a second half lead than 35-3.

Nonetheless, I'm not concerned about the let-up. The INTs bug me, but letting up is ... well, not OK really, but understandable. This team is good enough to nurse a 34 point lead, whereas past Texan teams may not have been. And like I said in another thread, if this team is going to pick only one half to play, I'd rather it be the first half and play from ahead.

Scoring 30+ points and having a solid lead of 17-20 pts is quite different than having a full out 30 pt. + lead & completely dominating. & to my knowledge, we were never up a complete 30+ points in any of these games you're talking about, nor did we dominate in all facets of the game like we did yesterday in any of those. truthfully 35-3 is the only real "comparison" anyone can use & that was 20 years ago with a different franchise........& there's a reason comebacks of that magnitude have only ever happened like once or twice in the history of the nfl.

we as fans have to stop thinking like we're cursed cubs fans....

Double Barrel
09-12-2011, 03:58 PM
we as fans have to stop thinking like we're cursed cubs fans....

51 years and running as an NFL city without a single Superbowl appearance can do that to a fanbase.

You see, it's about conditioning. Attitudes and perceptions will change when it becomes somewhat 'normal' to see this franchise consistently protect leads.

I can't blame fans for feeling a little strange to be in such an unusual position. A 34 lead on the Colts is one of those things that has never happened, so please understand that it's going to be something that some folks have to get used to, y'know?

Fortunately for us yesterday, Collins sucks. :texflag:

drs23
09-12-2011, 04:02 PM
Scoring 30+ points and having a solid lead of 17-20 pts is quite different than having a full out 30 pt. + lead & completely dominating. & to my knowledge, we were never up a complete 30+ points in any of these games you're talking about, nor did we dominate in all facets of the game like we did yesterday in any of those. truthfully 35-3 is the only real "comparison" anyone can use & that was 20 years ago with a different franchise........& there's a reason comebacks of that magnitude have only ever happened like once or twice in the history of the nfl.

we as fans have to stop thinking like we're cursed cubs fans....

That would indeed be once.

Texanmike02
09-12-2011, 04:20 PM
I like how some people are treating this as if I am absolutely crazy for thinking that the turnovers and mental mistakes are a problem. This is a city that hasn't experienced a playoff win since the NFL merger. In the NFL the difference between bad teams and great teams is mostly mental mistakes. We hear how they are all professionals and how they all get paid and they do. Discipline is usually the difference when these teams take the field. Don't believe it? Look how the colts unraveled after a couple of turnovers in the first 5 minutes.

For a team that has proven in the past to be a Jekyll and Hyde, a team that has chronically under-achieved and always been a day late and a dollar short I can't believe we're not more sensitive to this. Sure, it could be coincidental and it may mean nothing. Didn't we say that in the preseason in 06? 07? What about 08 and 09? Remember how we looked bad against the saints in the preseason a few years ago? What about last year? The great win over the cowboys (much like the saints this year) in the preseason? We "dominated" them physically last year and what happened in game 3? There were signs last year. We rationalized and explained the shortcomings away. Does anyone remember last season game 1? Passing yards went unnoticed in a euphoria of our defeat of the colts. Even after a sloppy erratic Washington game our weaknesses were not really highlighted. We have one good half of football played in 2011.

The difference of course is that we might be able to fix the problems this year. Lets not forget that the game Sunday didn't get closer only because the colts blew it. The overthrow in the endzone when JoJo blew his assignment on (garcon? I think?) Collie was a cleat away from a TD. There were a couple of misscues this game that could have made the game competitive. If we go into the 4th quarter and the score is 34-21 what does that look like? The Colts were an undisciplined and sloppy team yesterday. How often will we face that in the next 5 weeks. Maybe, I hope it was actually, it was what happens to a team when they are up 34-0 but what if its 28-14? The mistakes we made could lead to a catastrophic comeback. That's all I'm saying. That was the best half of football we've seen since week 1 of last year. The problem is the 2nd half was as undisciplined as we've seen in a while. It is what it is. I hope I am worried about nothing.

Mike

Brandon420tx
09-12-2011, 04:26 PM
Eh, I don't any of us are saying the turnovers weren't a problem, I clearly have stated that was my only gripe in the second half. If not for those turnovers we score at least 10 points IMO, which would infact give the people who complain about us not scoring in the second half less to complain about. We only had 1 drive after the second turnover, and we ran over 5 minutes off the clock to end the game if I remember correctly. I think we had 4 possessions the second half, Punt, INT, Fumble, Kneel, but considering that, we had the ball for 15 minutes 5 seconds in the half, edging out TOP, and forcing to Colts to punt, miss a fg, and sadly score 1 touchdown off of short field position.

The turnovers are the only thing to gripe about, and they directly led to us not scoring points, so its two sides of the same coin to me

Double Barrel
09-12-2011, 04:34 PM
I like how some people are treating this as if I am absolutely crazy for thinking that the turnovers and mental mistakes are a problem. This is a city that hasn't experienced a playoff win since the NFL merger. In the NFL the difference between bad teams and great teams is mostly mental mistakes. We hear how they are all professionals and how they all get paid and they do. Discipline is usually the difference when these teams take the field. Don't believe it? Look how the colts unraveled after a couple of turnovers in the first 5 minutes.

For a team that has proven in the past to be a Jekyll and Hyde, a team that has chronically under-achieved and always been a day late and a dollar short I can't believe we're not more sensitive to this. Sure, it could be coincidental and it may mean nothing. Didn't we say that in the preseason in 06? 07? What about 08 and 09? Remember how we looked bad against the saints in the preseason a few years ago? What about last year? The great win over the cowboys (much like the saints this year) in the preseason? We "dominated" them physically last year and what happened in game 3? There were signs last year. We rationalized and explained the shortcomings away. Does anyone remember last season game 1? Passing yards went unnoticed in a euphoria of our defeat of the colts. Even after a sloppy erratic Washington game our weaknesses were not really highlighted. We have one good half of football played in 2011.

The difference of course is that we might be able to fix the problems this year. Lets not forget that the game Sunday didn't get closer only because the colts blew it. The overthrow in the endzone when JoJo blew his assignment on (garcon? I think?) Collie was a cleat away from a TD. There were a couple of misscues this game that could have made the game competitive. If we go into the 4th quarter and the score is 34-21 what does that look like? The Colts were an undisciplined and sloppy team yesterday. How often will we face that in the next 5 weeks. Maybe, I hope it was actually, it was what happens to a team when they are up 34-0 but what if its 28-14? The mistakes we made could lead to a catastrophic comeback. That's all I'm saying. That was the best half of football we've seen since week 1 of last year. The problem is the 2nd half was as undisciplined as we've seen in a while. It is what it is. I hope I am worried about nothing.

Mike

Solid post, man. I think the critical analysis is legit. Some folks seem to perceive it as rain on their parade, but whatever.

I was happy with the win, as any Texans fan should be. We have a lot of things to "write home about" and I would never take anything away from those positives.

But, I also think it's fine to analyze things, because that's what coaches are doing today, as well. I guarantee you that Gary, Wade, and staff are looking at yesterday's mistakes much more than they are looking at successes.

Why it's such a crime against humanity to ask critical questions is beyond me. And, that being said, it's not hitting a panic button to just talk about things beyond the positives.

JCTexan
09-12-2011, 04:44 PM
Forget 35-3. How about the leads on the Colts in the past? How about the Rosencopter game? How about the big lead on the Rams in the Fitzpatrick game? There are way more recent and pertinent reasons to have concern about blowing a second half lead than 35-3.

Nonetheless, I'm not concerned about the let-up. The INTs bug me, but letting up is ... well, not OK really, but understandable. This team is good enough to nurse a 34 point lead, whereas past Texan teams may not have been. And like I said in another thread, if this team is going to pick only one half to play, I'd rather it be the first half and play from ahead.

Do you realize that the Texans were trying to pass with a ten point lead with 4 minutes left on the clock & they were on the Colts side of the field in the Rosencopter game? I definitely prefer yesterday's strategy of running out the clock. :tiphat:

DexmanC
09-12-2011, 04:56 PM
The Texans started "Victory Formation" with more than TWO FULL
MINUTES remaining in the game. They got the win. They stayed
healthy. Shut up.

Texanmike02
09-12-2011, 05:01 PM
The Texans started "Victory Formation" with more than TWO FULL
MINUTES remaining in the game. They got the win. They stayed
healthy. Shut up.

You know better than that. The only think you've done is come a few clicks closer to wearing out your keyboard.

Mike

Double Barrel
09-12-2011, 05:36 PM
I do not understand all the animosity between Texans fans these days. It seems like our fan base has become incapable of being civil to each other in disagreement.

Telling folks to shut up has become normal around these parts. We are all rooting for the same team, but apparently some do not wave their pompoms hard enough for others.

It's disappointing, to say the least.

michaelm
09-12-2011, 05:37 PM
I do not understand all the animosity between Texans fans these days. It seems like our fan base has become incapable of being civil to each other in disagreement.

Telling folks to shut up has become normal around these parts. We are all rooting for the same team, but apparently some do not wave their pompoms hard enough for others.

It's disappointing, to say the least.


aww, Shut it, DB!!!

michaelm
09-12-2011, 05:37 PM
aww, Shut it, DB!!!

Up yours dude, you shut it.

michaelm
09-12-2011, 05:38 PM
Up yours dude, you shut it.




Whatever, the Texans are a one half football team, and you're ghey!

michaelm
09-12-2011, 05:39 PM
Whatever, the Texans are a one half football team, and you're ghey!

Bite me... you're not a good texans fan anyway!

michaelm
09-12-2011, 05:40 PM
That was A Tale of Two Halves of michaelm...


Thank you, I'll be here all week.... but you'll probably want to ignore my posts based on recent samples... lol

ObsiWan
09-12-2011, 05:42 PM
aww, Shut it, DB!!!

Up yours dude, you shut it.

Whatever, the Texans are a one half football team, and you're ghey!

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRT3M_mxJoCkjxm2_S3OkYHrDNGosc7c ByXOQqX5vyIUAaKrVdK5A

Double Barrel
09-12-2011, 05:42 PM
lol! You're crackin' me up, big guy! :D

And of course I'm laughing because you're big enough to turn my frown upside down! :winky:

michaelm
09-12-2011, 05:45 PM
lol! You're crackin' me up, big guy! :D

And of course I'm laughing because you're big enough to turn my frown upside down! :winky:

I've always known my friends are pretending when they laugh at my jokes... I'll take what I can get, though.

Hervoyel
09-12-2011, 06:09 PM
aww, Shut it, DB!!!

Up yours dude, you shut it.

Whatever, the Texans are a one half football team, and you're ghey!

Bite me... you're not a good texans fan anyway!

That was A Tale of Two Halves of michaelm...


Thank you, I'll be here all week.... but you'll probably want to ignore my posts based on recent samples... lol


I think this an excellent example of the kind of negativity that's taken root around here. I move that michaelm be banned.

All of them :slapfight:

ObsiWan
09-12-2011, 06:15 PM
I think this an excellent example of the kind of negativity that's taken root around here. I move that michaelm be banned.

All of them :slapfight:
hey, is it legal that all his voices can rep each other?
:kitten:

michaelm
09-12-2011, 06:16 PM
hey, is it legal that all his voices can rep each other?
:kitten:


I am thankful that my voices cannot rep each other. I'd be at about -10,000 if that was allowed.

GP
09-12-2011, 06:17 PM
Last thing you want is to so totally destroy your divisional opponent, in Game 1, that he loads up for bear and bushwhacks you in Game 2.

The Ravens, IMO, were DUMB for pulling the Fake Extra Point where the holder ran into the end zone for 2 points. DUMB. That's the sort of Remember The Alamo! stuff that the Steelers will be thinking about next time around.

I'm not saying that we purposefully held off in the 2nd half vs. the Colts. I'm saying that this idea that we might have problems in future games because we didn't hang a 50+ burger on the Colts is problematic, IMO.

That no Texans player suffered a major injury in Game 1 is a major improvement over last year's Game 1 (Barwin was out for the year). That we beat the Colts without Arian Foster is a statement. That our new 34 Defense under a new d-coord after a lockout, with new players in important positions were able to look polar opposite of last year's defense is nice.

I think revenge is fun, but if we're pissed off because we didn't totally obliterate the Colts and we're fearing a repeat of 2010...then maybe we need to slow down. Whomever said he wouldn't do handstands until after Week 4, I think it was Herv?, had a good idea. Good advice for both sides of this argument.

Carr Bombed
09-12-2011, 06:19 PM
:vincepalm: Can someone explain this to me, because I really don't understand why so many people are bitching about not scoring points in the 2nd half?

It was obvious the game plan was changed, because the game was getting out of hand...yet people want to complain that the Texans didn't score points. Sorry, don't get the criticism at all. The Colts did not stop the Texans from scoring, the Texans stopped the Texans from scoring points.

Grams
09-12-2011, 06:24 PM
We won.

D looked really good.

O looked really good.

Nobody was injured - well almost no one. No one really important - IMO

Doesn't really matter to me that we did not score any points in the second half. - We got much more than we needed in the first.

Did we play perfect? NO. But these message boards would sure be dull if everyone played a perfect game.

ObsiWan
09-12-2011, 06:43 PM
:vincepalm: Can someone explain this to me, because I really don't understand why so many people are bitching about not scoring points in the 2nd half?

It was obvious the game plan was changed, because the game was getting out of hand...yet people want to complain that the Texans didn't score points. Sorry, don't get the criticism at all.

I can only speak for myself. I'm not concerned about the points as I fully expected Kubiak to give them a steady dose of our RB carosel in the second half. He always dials things back when we get the lead. He's not about rubbing the other team's face in the dirt.

I was concerned about the sloppy 2nd half play.
- No penalties in the first half, four in the second (although one of them was that B/S "defenseless WR call).
- An INT in the redzone, when there was no need to pass. It's the start of the 4th qtr. We're up 34-zip. The objective is to burn up the clock and get out with a win. So I ask you, Why pass AT ALL?? Run it up the gut 3 times and at least get the three pts. Frankly, I'm surprised the Pink Soapers aren't all over this. Cowher would have handed it to the Bus three times and called it a day. ...is there a truce I didn't hear about?
- Then there was Ben Tate's fumble. His whole job with that kind of lead is to chew up clock and protect the ball. He kinda forgot about that second part.

So it's not the points for me, it's the sloppy play and weird play calling in the red zone.

Carr Bombed
09-12-2011, 06:47 PM
I can only speak for myself. I'm not concerned about the points as I fully expected Kubiak to give them a steady dose of our RB carosel in the second half. He always dials things back when we get the lead. He's not about rubbing the other team's face in the dirt.

I was concerned about the sloppy 2nd half play.
- No penalties in the first half, four in the second (although one of them was that B/S "defenseless WR call).
- An INT in the redzone, when there was no need to pass. It's the start of the 4th qtr. We're up 34-zip. The objective is to burn up the clock and get out with a win. So I ask you, Why pass AT ALL?? Run it up the gut 3 times and at least get the three pts. Frankly, I'm surprised the Pink Soapers aren't all over this. Cowher would have handed it to the Bus three times and called it a day. ...is there a truce I didn't hear about?
- Then there was Ben Tate's fumble. His whole job with that kind of lead is to chew up clock and protect the ball. He kinda forgot about that second part.

So it's not the points for me, it's the sloppy play and weird play calling in the red zone.

Houston mentally checked out of that game at halftime. While we can criticize them and beat them up for doing so.....it's human nature. Hell I mentally checked out of that game at halftime myself. There's whining and then there's this. Wake me up when they shut it down in a game that's still has something on the line.

thunderkyss
09-12-2011, 10:42 PM
Forget 35-3. How about the leads on the Colts in the past? How about the Rosencopter game? How about the big lead on the Rams in the Fitzpatrick game? There are way more recent and pertinent reasons to have concern about blowing a second half lead than 35-3.

Nonetheless, I'm not concerned about the let-up. The INTs bug me, but letting up is ... well, not OK really, but understandable. This team is good enough to nurse a 34 point lead, whereas past Texan teams may not have been. And like I said in another thread, if this team is going to pick only one half to play, I'd rather it be the first half and play from ahead.

How about that game in Dallas 5 years ago. We go into the half, leading 6-3, holding our own. The Cowboys march down the field & score a TD to start the 3rd QTr.

We then commit back to back to back turnovers & it's 24-6 by the end of the third Qtr.

Bull Pen 1
09-12-2011, 11:09 PM
i heard this lame reasoning this morning on 790 from a caller. This isnt college football where u have to earn style points to impress some panel of psuedo-intellectuals that your the best in the nation. this is PRO sports, where a little dignity is afforded your opponent. up 34 entering the 2nd half & dominating the way we had been, i knew we'd call off the dogs b/c every pro team would do so in that situation..& rightfully so. up by that much, u don't pile on just b/c u know u can. u cut the playbook in half & run the ball so as to control the clock & only pass when u need to. if u still wind up scoring that way, it usually takes lots of time off the clock & no real gamesmanship has been forfeited by either team.

the larger goal at that point for 99% of coaches is to get out of the game as fast & as healthy as possible while also providing an opportunity for your opponent to "bow out gracefully" in a back-handed kind of way.

now having said all that, you still want to see the team EXECUTE better in whatever they were running in the 2nd half, but lack of execution still doesnt equivocate to them taking their foot off the gas imo. they did what any team would've done in that situation...yes even belichick. anyone who says otherwise hasn't watched a patriots game very closely.

Trust me when peyton was up by 30 points he stilled scored points, he has done it more than once against us. All I'm saying is, last year we played one half either the first or second half, and we did it again yesterday, in my eyes this is a concern.

The defense did play a great game, the whole game.

Bull Pen 1
09-12-2011, 11:15 PM
:vincepalm: Can someone explain this to me, because I really don't understand why so many people are bitching about not scoring points in the 2nd half?

It was obvious the game plan was changed, because the game was getting out of hand...yet people want to complain that the Texans didn't score points. Sorry, don't get the criticism at all.


The Colts did not stop the Texans from scoring, the Texans stopped the Texans from scoring points.

This is my point, the same as before.

Mr teX
09-13-2011, 09:23 AM
Trust me when peyton was up by 30 points he stilled scored points, he has done it more than once against us. All I'm saying is, last year we played one half either the first or second half, and we did it again yesterday, in my eyes this is a concern.

The defense did play a great game, the whole game.

You're missing the point really. I'm not saying i didn't want us to score points as sometimes you can't help but score them if your opponent truly is that bad & they can't stop u. What i'm saying is that what i saw sunday from them in the 2nd half & the ineptness that they showed in games all last year don't quite line up really.

Someone made the point earlier in this thread about how i feel about sunday's 2nd half; it's not that we were stymied by the opposition, it was just more of human nature kicking in (up 34 entering the 2nd half....this game is over) and the mercy rule being put into effect. that's all.

Texanmike02
10-18-2011, 12:49 PM
OK. Last year after walking out of Reliant in week 1 I had this thought in the back of my mind. I was concerned about the yards that PM put up. Today, from the comfort of my couch, I wonder if we have another nemesis.

I'm not concerned that we didn't score in the second half, I'm concerned that we didn't execute well at all. I understand you run the ball but the two turnovers were just plain unacceptable. If it happens against a team not missing its best player that is a serious problem.

Two years ago we started strong and finished slow. Last year we started slow and finished strong and we can't do that again. This team needs to show it can play 4 quarters of football. Execute for a full game or we're in some serious trouble over the course of a season.

Mike

amistillkrazy?

Mike