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Blake
09-08-2011, 09:49 AM
Spread is Saints + 4 or Packers -4.

Hard to pick against the defending SB champs @ home when they are healthier than they were last season. If I was betting my house it would be on the Pack -4.

Thorn
09-08-2011, 10:46 AM
This should be a good game. Man, it sure is nice to have football season back. :)

Blake
09-08-2011, 10:52 AM
For sure. Hitting up Pluckers in San Marcos with some friends from Austin. Gonna get my beer on.

brakos82
09-08-2011, 11:47 AM
And if you were betting your house I would call you insane. LOL

SheTexan
09-08-2011, 08:05 PM
All I got to say is GOOOOOO PACKERS!!!!!!!!!! I detest the Saints!!

SheTexan
09-08-2011, 08:41 PM
WOW!!! The red, white and blue flag made by the fans was AWESOME!!

Kid Rock sucks!!:headhurts:

mattieuk
09-08-2011, 08:44 PM
WOW!!! The red, white and blue flag made by the fans was AWESOME!!

Agreed - looked amazing.

Nice early sack for the Saints - great work of getting out of 3rd and long by the Packers though!

Wolf
09-08-2011, 08:47 PM
TD Packers

Nawzer
09-08-2011, 08:47 PM
That looked rather easy for the Packers.

BorrowMe
09-08-2011, 08:48 PM
Since when did the Saints use a 3-4 defense?

Mr. Texan
09-08-2011, 08:50 PM
too easy for rodgers

Cjeremy635
09-08-2011, 08:53 PM
The Packers look good. I like em' more than the Saints, so Gooooo Packers!

It's great to have football back!!!

mattieuk
09-08-2011, 08:53 PM
Oh Colston - ouch. Great start to the season.

Cjeremy635
09-08-2011, 08:54 PM
Wow! Fumble recovery by Packers!

Wolf
09-08-2011, 08:56 PM
Saint fixing to get blown out if they aren't careful

Lucky
09-08-2011, 09:09 PM
Anyone watching the great Arena football game on NBC? Whoever gets to 50 first usually wins.

Ryan
09-08-2011, 09:14 PM
I have to pull against Drew Brees, Greg Jennings, and Mark Ingram in my fantasy leagues tonight...not off to a good start.

Wolf
09-08-2011, 09:17 PM
Rogers on fire

TexanSam
09-08-2011, 09:18 PM
Rogers and the Packers are just picking apart the Saints. Good news for the Texans.

Mr. Texan
09-08-2011, 09:19 PM
packers are making a statement

redwhiteANDblue
09-08-2011, 09:19 PM
Wow saints secondary looks to be like ours was last year. That or aaron rodgers is the best qb in the league

BorrowMe
09-08-2011, 09:22 PM
Wow saints secondary looks to be like ours was last year. That or aaron rodgers is the best qb in the league

Both :)

Mr. Texan
09-08-2011, 09:41 PM
reggie who?

Ryan
09-08-2011, 09:41 PM
Sproles!! Fantasy points galore!

mattieuk
09-08-2011, 09:43 PM
Gawd these touchbacks are boring!

Hate any rules that stop Sproles running it to the house.

TexanSam
09-08-2011, 09:47 PM
Andre Johnson is going to nuts with Patrick Robinson facing him. Petey Faggins 2.0!

GlassHalfFull
09-08-2011, 09:55 PM
Nice to see a good defensive battle. :evil:

Rey
09-08-2011, 09:56 PM
Starks is better than grant.

TexansSeminole
09-08-2011, 10:02 PM
Andre Johnson is going to nuts with Patrick Robinson facing him. Petey Faggins 2.0!

This is PRob's first real starting opportunity, tough assignment.

Roman Harper is playing horribly. Hope that continues into week 2.

pissknocker
09-08-2011, 10:22 PM
This is PRob's first real starting opportunity, tough assignment.

Roman Harper is playing horribly. Hope that continues into week 2.

U mean week 3.

stingray
09-08-2011, 10:23 PM
Starks is better than grant.

As a runner... but Grant is a much better blocker.

Mr. Texan
09-08-2011, 10:35 PM
hmm so you can return a kick under these new rules.

Nawzer
09-08-2011, 10:36 PM
Holy cow! What a move by Cobb! I don't think I've seen that before in a kickoff return.

ObsiWan
09-08-2011, 10:38 PM
who WAS that masked man?!?!

GP
09-08-2011, 10:39 PM
Sproles!! Fantasy points galore!

Unless someone like me has him on the bench this week.

DAMMIT.

Had him in the RB/WR slot but moved him to bench. Had him last year and he was up one game and down for the next three. The pattern continues.

TexansSeminole
09-08-2011, 10:41 PM
U mean week 3.

Sent from my DROID PRO using Tapatalk

:(.

Green Bay has so many receivers.

ObsiWan
09-08-2011, 10:45 PM
Nice to see a good defensive battle. :evil:

hehehehehehe
you said it!

ObsiWan
09-08-2011, 10:49 PM
They missed that blantant block in the back.

Air Canada
09-08-2011, 10:52 PM
Unless someone like me has him on the bench this week.

DAMMIT.

Had him in the RB/WR slot but moved him to bench. Had him last year and he was up one game and down for the next three. The pattern continues.

OMG... I DID THE EXACT SAME THING! I started Grant instead in the RB/WR slot... Sproles is on the bench, but you don't get anything for him returning a punt anyways so I haven't lost much :kitten:

GP
09-08-2011, 10:58 PM
OMG... I DID THE EXACT SAME THING! I started Grant instead in the RB/WR slot... Sproles is on the bench, but you don't get anything for him returning a punt anyways so I haven't lost much :kitten:

In my ESPN league, he got 6 pts. for the TD. No points for the yards, but still...that'd be 6 pts. plus the receiving yards he's had tonight.

It's OK. He'll just go invisible next week. Plus, the Packers are sniffing him out on 3rd and long plays now. It's obvious to them. Now.

DAMMIT.

Nawzer
09-08-2011, 10:59 PM
Can't believe the Saints went for it there.

Ryan
09-08-2011, 11:02 PM
Both of these teams looked at my fantasy opponents roster and fixed it so they can get an automatic win :mad:



They cannot cover Greg Jennings at all. I wonder what AJ is gonna do to these chumps.

Nawzer
09-08-2011, 11:06 PM
Looks like Greg Williams is channeling his inner Frank Bush with these 10 yard cushions he's handing out to the Packers receivers. Easy pickings for Rodgers.

ObsiWan
09-08-2011, 11:07 PM
Gregg Williams, defensive genius?

...not tonight.

Air Canada
09-08-2011, 11:11 PM
This is great! The Texans traded their 2010 defense to the Saints.... Well done...:evil:

Lucky
09-08-2011, 11:12 PM
Can't believe the Saints went for it there.
Can't believe they didn't run the ball on 4th & inches.

ObsiWan
09-08-2011, 11:14 PM
I expected lots of offense but a Forty-burger?!
and we're barely in the 4th quarter

ObsiWan
09-08-2011, 11:17 PM
See how Sproles couldn't execute on that block.
Now imagine if that was Trindon Holliday?

Air Canada
09-08-2011, 11:19 PM
Chances for a Saints comeback win?? :truck:

ObsiWan
09-08-2011, 11:20 PM
Can't believe they didn't run the ball on 4th & inches.

They know they couldn't do anything with Raji.

Nawzer
09-08-2011, 11:21 PM
Man what if the Packers meet up with the Texans in the Superbowl??? I predict the score to be 84-76 with the Texans winning. Lol.

Rey
09-08-2011, 11:26 PM
Clay Matthews hasn't done a whole lot tonight.:kitten:

Lucky
09-08-2011, 11:27 PM
Can't believe they didn't run the ball on 4th & inches.

They know they couldn't do anything with Raji.
The Saints are averaging 4.3 ypc. Bonehead call by Payton.

GP
09-08-2011, 11:27 PM
Did you see the crowd shot and the fans who had Super Bowl ring foam hats, complete with bling bling? Wicked awesome. Spectacular.

By the way: Raise your hand if you wish NBC had the AFC games instead of CBS? The presentation (the camera work, the shot selections, the picture quality, and the on-screen graphics) are just brilliantly done.

Watching CBS, it feels like they are lacking so much.

Mr teX
09-08-2011, 11:28 PM
Clay Matthews hasn't done a whole lot tonight.:kitten:

lol, ii see what u did there...

GP
09-08-2011, 11:28 PM
Up by 15, they have Rodgers still in at QB?

6:37 left to play. I don't get it.

GP
09-08-2011, 11:29 PM
Clay Matthews hasn't done a whole lot tonight.:kitten:

He made his hay in the Super Bowl. He has earned a night off.

Ryan
09-08-2011, 11:29 PM
I'm definitely alot less worried about our matchup vs. the Saints. Their defense looks rather weak.

GP
09-08-2011, 11:31 PM
I'm definitely alot less worried about our matchup vs. the Saints. Their defense looks rather weak.

The ONLY thing, though, is Brees' ability to put a pass wherever he wants to whenever he wants to. He spreads it around, his WRs are always ready to make a grab-and-run out of nowhere. They're the new Colts, IMO.

But, I look at our preseason game and our defense was able to harass them a lot. So I'm fairly confident we'll be fine like you say.

Mr teX
09-08-2011, 11:32 PM
I'm definitely alot less worried about our matchup vs. the Saints. Their defense looks rather weak.

u should be....that offense looks as potent as ever

Rey
09-08-2011, 11:34 PM
He made his hay in the Super Bowl. He has earned a night off.

Yeah, he's probably still tired.

Rey
09-08-2011, 11:37 PM
I'm definitely alot less worried about our matchup vs. the Saints. Their defense looks rather weak.

As good as schaub is, he is no Rodgers. And overall, their receiving corps is better. Packers will make a lot of defenses look so-so. Rodgers is an animal.

Mr teX
09-08-2011, 11:40 PM
He made his hay in the Super Bowl. He has earned a night off.

cmon man, u know its not as simple as him "taking/wanting a day off". some days u just wont be the guy that makes all the great plays, your teammates will....it wont be any different for mario.

ObsiWan
09-08-2011, 11:41 PM
Did you see the crowd shot and the fans who had Super Bowl ring foam hats, complete with bling bling? Wicked awesome. Spectacular.

By the way: Raise your hand if you wish NBC had the AFC games instead of CBS? The presentation (the camera work, the shot selections, the picture quality, and the on-screen graphics) are just brilliantly done.

Watching CBS, it feels like they are lacking so much.

Isn't this the only game NBC does each week. That's why they can throw so many resources at it.

Ryan
09-08-2011, 11:41 PM
Ughh, i swear these two teams met before the game just to mess with my fantasy team. The dude has SEVENTY points and it's not even sunday. FML.

ObsiWan
09-08-2011, 11:43 PM
and they say Kubiak goes into his shell with the lead....

what the hell was that!?

GP
09-08-2011, 11:44 PM
Isn't this the only game NBC does each week. That's why they can throw so many resources at it.

I had that thought, too.

ObsiWan
09-08-2011, 11:46 PM
Prevent defense!
bad mistake.
Come on Capers, dance with who brung Ya

ObsiWan
09-08-2011, 11:48 PM
They not supposed to throw that flag in Lambeau

Mr teX
09-08-2011, 11:48 PM
look at that shit...ryan u still not worried about the saints? they moved that ball effortlessly down 80 yards.

Rey
09-08-2011, 11:48 PM
Wow. What a way to open the season.

Nawzer
09-08-2011, 11:49 PM
Holy shit! What an awesome game and beginning to the season!

stingray
09-08-2011, 11:50 PM
Wow!! What a game!!

Rey
09-08-2011, 11:50 PM
Terrible play call.

TexanSam
09-08-2011, 11:50 PM
Helluva way to start the season! Great game. Surprised they ran it at the end though. They hadn't done anything all day on the ground.

ObsiWan
09-08-2011, 11:51 PM
look at that shit...ryan u still not worried about the saints? they moved that ball effortlessly down 80 yards.

Against that stupid @$$ prevent defense... Of course Brees will pick them apart.


Oh and now you see why they didn't run it on 4th & short before.

mattieuk
09-08-2011, 11:52 PM
Dear NFL,

You're forgiven for that whole lockout thing.

Yours Sincerely,
Mr. I'd forgotten how boring baseball is.

Marcus
09-08-2011, 11:52 PM
Terrible play call.

That's what I said out loud. Damn! If they would have just pitched it wide to Sproles, he would have been in.

Ryan
09-08-2011, 11:53 PM
look at that shit...ryan u still not worried about the saints? they moved that ball effortlessly down 80 yards.



They're a very beatable team...I wouldn't pencil it in as a guaranteed win, but also can't pencil it in as a loss either.

bah007
09-08-2011, 11:55 PM
What an ugly game. All the dumbass rule changes in the last ten years have really watered down the NFL for me. I know that fans want to see games like this, a million points and passing yards in every game. But as a guy who played cornerback his entire life, I can't stand to see the defenses in the NFL at such a disadvantage because of the rules.

ObsiWan
09-09-2011, 12:05 AM
What an ugly game. All the dumbass rule changes in the last ten years have really watered down the NFL for me. I know that fans want to see games like this, a million points and passing yards in every game. But as a guy who played cornerback his entire life, I can't stand to see the defenses in the NFL at such a disadvantage because of the rules.

If you could overturn or reverse just one of the rule changes, which would you pick?

For me, it's the most recent change regarding not being able to pop a WR going across the middle. This whole "defenseless WR" thing is the worse thing ever. Worse than when they instituted the "Illegal contact" rule which took away bump-and-run coverage.

Air Canada
09-09-2011, 12:10 AM
Ughh, i swear these two teams met before the game just to mess with my fantasy team. The dude has SEVENTY points and it's not even sunday. FML.

70 points huh? So who'd he have? And did any of your guys play tonight? I hope not.

Ryan
09-09-2011, 12:12 AM
70 points huh? So who'd he have? And did any of your guys play tonight? I hope not.

He had Drew Brees, Greg Jennings, and Darren Sproles....FML. I had Brees and Sproles in the TexansTalk league so at least i had that going for me, but i didn't want to lose at all this week.

toronto
09-09-2011, 12:40 AM
He had Drew Brees, Greg Jennings, and Darren Sproles....FML. I had Brees and Sproles in the TexansTalk league so at least i had that going for me, but i didn't want to lose at all this week.

My last pick of my keeper draft was Cobb. God bless auto-starter leagues.

Air Canada
09-09-2011, 12:57 AM
He had Drew Brees, Greg Jennings, and Darren Sproles....FML. I had Brees and Sproles in the TexansTalk league so at least i had that going for me, but i didn't want to lose at all this week.

Well then hopefully you have a strong squad for Sunday since he already played his aces... perhaps? And you haven't played any guys yet...

I had Grant... he gave me 4.5 points and the dude I'm facing had Rodgers at QB who put up 24.5, but I'm looking to put up a lot of points come Sunday.

Ryan
09-09-2011, 01:16 AM
Well then hopefully you have a strong squad for Sunday since he already played his aces... perhaps? And you haven't played any guys yet...

I had Grant... he gave me 4.5 points and the dude I'm facing had Rodgers at QB who put up 24.5, but I'm looking to put up a lot of points come Sunday.


He still has Foster, but other than that his team is crap and if Foster doesn't play, his roster doesn't have any backup RBs.

Rey
09-09-2011, 07:43 AM
If you could overturn or reverse just one of the rule changes, which would you pick?

For me, it's the most recent change regarding not being able to pop a WR going across the middle. This whole "defenseless WR" thing is the worse thing ever. Worse than when they instituted the "Illegal contact" rule which took away bump-and-run coverage.

Malcolm Jenkins laid a good, well timed hit on Driver.

I was glad a flag didn't come out, but under the new rules I thought one might be thrown.

That rule kind of confuses me because it seems kind if subjective.

TheMatrix31
09-09-2011, 07:54 AM
What an ugly game. All the dumbass rule changes in the last ten years have really watered down the NFL for me. I know that fans want to see games like this, a million points and passing yards in every game. But as a guy who played cornerback his entire life, I can't stand to see the defenses in the NFL at such a disadvantage because of the rules.

And in the end, it still came down to defense.

Mr teX
09-09-2011, 08:40 AM
They're a very beatable team...I wouldn't pencil it in as a guaranteed win, but also can't pencil it in as a loss either.

NO moved the ball pretty much all night like that against a very stout & proven defense & in GB at that....now substitute our unproven defense in & factor in that we'll be playing in the superdome. Its scary how acurate is brees is when he's got reasonable time in the pocket.

Blake
09-09-2011, 08:48 AM
Crazy game. I dont want to go crazy on how the NFL has changed the rules to cater to the offense based on this game. Brees and Rodgers are really just that good. Ill wait to see if its a week in week out thing. I had Mark Ingram in one of my leagues, so I was sad to see him stuffed at the goal line.... but what can you do.

Goatcheese
09-09-2011, 11:12 AM
The ref that called PI at the end of the game deserves cancer.

Just an embarrassing call.

eriadoc
09-09-2011, 11:47 AM
Am I the only one that thought Drew Brees was making uncharacteristic, amateur mistakes? That sack he took turned a chip shot FG into a decent try. He scrambled backwards another couple times. He forced throws that he shouldn't have. He just didn't look like the awesome QB he really is.

gary
09-09-2011, 12:12 PM
A lot of the play calling by the Saints was not smart at all.

brakos82
09-09-2011, 12:20 PM
A lot of the play calling by the Saints was not smart at all.

Yeah, I texted a couple people that the Saints were borrowing pages from "Frank Bush's Special Defense".

Blake
09-09-2011, 12:32 PM
I hear alot of people bitching about the last play call by Peyton. I think it was the right call. With Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks up front with Ingram toting the ball, you should be able to get 1 stinking yard. I am fine with the playcall. The execution on the other hand.... I think the big uglies were tired.

toronto
09-09-2011, 12:53 PM
A lot of the play calling by the Saints was not smart at all.

Agree. I would have gone nickel/zone blitz and dare them to run. There were open WRs on every play and it was pure personnel mistakes. Gregg Williams called an awful game.

I have no clue how anyone can match up with that Packer offense. They won it all last year, on the road, and with a ton of killer injuries. Now they're healthy. Yech.

Rey
09-09-2011, 12:55 PM
I hear alot of people bitching about the last play call by Peyton. I think it was the right call. With Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks up front with Ingram toting the ball, you should be able to get 1 stinking yard. I am fine with the playcall. The execution on the other hand.... I think the big uglies were tired.

I think it was a bad call because the oline was tired. And the packers had geared up to stop that.

He should have run it earlier in the game when he opted to pass and he should have passed or ran a sweep there IMO.

toronto
09-09-2011, 12:57 PM
Am I the only one that thought Drew Brees was making uncharacteristic, amateur mistakes? That sack he took turned a chip shot FG into a decent try. He scrambled backwards another couple times. He forced throws that he shouldn't have. He just didn't look like the awesome QB he really is.

Minus that sack, his numbers beg to differ with your analysis, and it wasn't 'padding stats' numbers. His WRs were also 'weird.' There were 3 or 4 slips on the turf that caused incompletions, and it wasn't like it was a wet turf.

They were playing on the road against the defending champs who were on all cylinders for 60 minutes. With the offensive performance they put forth, they would win most games. This loss was on the defense, which looked awful and poorly coached/prepared.

toronto
09-09-2011, 12:58 PM
I think it was a bad call because the oline was tired. And the packers had geared up to stop that.

He should have run it earlier in the game when he opted to pass and he should have passed or ran a sweep there IMO.

I think the Packers were not going to be fooled on play action either. If you watch the play, two of their LBs (Hawk was one) were cheating towards play-action at the LOS.

Goatcheese
09-09-2011, 01:00 PM
Am I the only one that thought Drew Brees was making uncharacteristic, amateur mistakes? That sack he took turned a chip shot FG into a decent try. He scrambled backwards another couple times. He forced throws that he shouldn't have. He just didn't look like the awesome QB he really is.

Brees wasn't the same last year either. He's really fallen off and I don't see him as a top 5 QB anymore. Still very good, just not face meltingly badass. He's no longer a guy I half expect to challenge the all time passing record every season like he did a few years ago.

Rey
09-09-2011, 01:05 PM
I think the Packers were not going to be fooled on play action either. If you watch the play, two of their LBs (Hawk was one) were cheating towards play-action at the LOS.

I didn't say anything about play action. Brees was hot and had driven them all the way down the field with some awesome throws. I'd have stuck with the one who brought me.

I would have spread them out shotgun, one back and let drew decide whether he wanted to check run or pass. I understand that you expect your o line to get a yard, but the packers geared up for that and had multiple guys diving over the line to meet Ingram.

Brees is your best player and the qb, let the action go through him.

Again, this is just my opinion. There is no wrong and right here. I'm just saying what I think would have worked better.

ChampionTexan
09-09-2011, 01:47 PM
Yeah, I texted a couple people that the Saints were borrowing pages from "Frank Bush's Special Defense".

There was actually several things about the Saints that reminded me of last years Texans - including getting the rug pulled out from under them at the last second (or if you prefer - pulling the rug out from under themselves).

eriadoc
09-09-2011, 01:49 PM
Minus that sack, his numbers beg to differ with your analysis, and it wasn't 'padding stats' numbers.

See, this is a classic case of the numbers not telling the story, IMO. There was that sack play. There was another play where he essentially did the same thing. The Saints were at the Packers' 6 yard line, and it was 4th down. So Brees got pressure, scrambled backwards (awkwardly), and managed to dump the ball off to his back, who luckily dropped it, or the Packers would have had the ball at the 20 or 21 yard line. Because of that drop, the Packers had to drive 94 yards for a TD instead of 79 or 80. That they did drive that far for a TD is a different problem, LOL.

Aside from that, he had at least three balls that I can think of that could have just as easily been intercepted as knocked down. He threw the ball into triple coverage, threw the ball into situations where he was baited, etc. So all told, it was probably 6-8 bad plays from him, but they were really amateur. Their offense is good enough to overcome that, but Brees ran off a good stretch prior to last year where he didn't make too many mistakes at all, much less rookie-type mistakes.

It just stood out to me is all.

gary
09-09-2011, 05:18 PM
I would have had Brees run to the outside and score on his own or an underneath pass to the RB or the TE.

Double Barrel
09-09-2011, 06:40 PM
Man, that Matrix play (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/09/09/140334114/video-nfls-first-player-born-in-90s-scores-on-108-yard-return) by Randall Cobb on his 108 yard KO return was amazing!

It made me have crazy thoughts, like anything can happen this season... :D

GP
09-09-2011, 09:06 PM
The Packers sold out at the LOS to stop the run on the 4th down play to end the game.

I know it's hindsight to sit here and say this, but the Saints went down the field with passing (thanks to a very gracious Packers defense allowing them to) and then tried to Power Run from 1-yard out on the last play. Why did they do that?

The Packers loaded up on the line. 11 men in the box, IIRC, or practically all 11 men (for all intensive purposes). Mark Ingram's big knock thus far is that he can't get the tough yards (That's why I didn't draft him in my FFL, but went with Sproles instead, only to use as insurance--Not as one of my primary backs).

Mark Ingram was doomed from the beginning because the Packers sold out to stop the run. Every single Packers player dove to the middle. Add to this the early indications that Ingram has problems making his own luck out there, and it was a catastrophe.

I think Brees made good plays. He made a few great plays. But he also had problems with protection breaking down at wrong times, too. He was sacked, he was getting knocked down, he was moving backward a lot. The Saints blocking was not handling Capers' 3-4 defense.

Let's see how Wade's 3-4 defense treats him.

The Pencil Neck
09-09-2011, 09:31 PM
I'm just going to throw this out there but...

These were two great teams and two great QBs and two SB winning head coaches.

There were decisions made on both sides and plays made by both QBs that, if they were made by our players and coaches, people here would have been pointing to those plays and saying that's why this guy or that guy should be fired.

Drew Brees taking sacks, the choices to go for 4th downs, some questionable non-spiking 2 minute drive logic, running into the pile at the end, Gregg Williams' totally passive zone defense on the Saints side; tentative play calling with the lead, prevent defense, blowing a 3rd down conversion when they needed it for the Packers.

mugrakers
09-09-2011, 09:38 PM
I never realized just how big of a beast Clay Mathews is from the Will Linebacker. The dude cannot be stopped one on one. It's amazing. He has to be on the juice.

brakos82
09-09-2011, 09:44 PM
I never realized just how big of a beast Clay Mathews is from the Will Linebacker. The dude cannot be stopped one on one. It's amazing. He has to be on the juice.

Funny, my friend said "He looks like a woman."

I kinda had to laugh... he kinda does, yet he's an all-pro linebacker.

bah007
09-12-2011, 12:45 AM
If you could overturn or reverse just one of the rule changes, which would you pick?

For me, it's the most recent change regarding not being able to pop a WR going across the middle. This whole "defenseless WR" thing is the worse thing ever. Worse than when they instituted the "Illegal contact" rule which took away bump-and-run coverage.

There is really too much there for me to even pick just one. I'm fine with the helmet to helmet stuff. I have no problem if a guy gets flagged for that.

But a good example of what I'm talking about would be the personal foul that Danieal Manning got called for against the Colts. Where the hell was the penalty?

I would do away with the defenseless WR rule. That's a BS rule. The league supposedly cares so much about protecting defenseless players, but it's okay for a guy to get blindsided and decleated by a blocker when he is chasing down a punt return. That right there tells me what the NFL is really after. They don't care about protecting defenseless players. They only care about protecting defenseless offensive players.

I would also do away with the illegal contact rule. A WR can put his hands all over a DB and even push off, but if a DB puts a finger on him after five yards then he gets flagged.

Faceguarding also needs to go. I don't care if a guy is looking for the ball or has his back completely turned to it. If he defends the pass without interrupting the offensive player's right to go after the ball then it should be legal.