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Kimmy
09-07-2011, 05:10 PM
Now that we know for sure Manning is out, do we sit Foster for an extra week? I vote yes, reason being is we have several other weapons to beat the Colts with without Manning.

We are like Bon Jovi fans right now. You pay to see them and if Jon Bon Jovi (aka Manning) doesn't show, you're pissed. Richie Sambora (Foster) doesn't show, ehh, still getting your moneys worth.

bigbrewster2000
09-07-2011, 05:14 PM
Now that we know for sure Manning is out, do we sit Foster for an extra week? I vote yes, reason being is we have several other weapons to beat the Colts with without Manning.

We are like Bon Jovi fans right now. You pay to see them and if Jon Bon Jovi (aka Manning) doesn't show, you're pissed. Richie Sambora (Foster) doesn't show, ehh, still getting your moneys worth.

I disagree. I drafted him in my FFL and I cant afford to lose this week.............:hides:

Kimmy
09-07-2011, 05:19 PM
I disagree. I drafted him in my FFL and I cant afford to lose this week.............:hides:

HA! And I have Peyton :overreact:

Rey
09-07-2011, 05:26 PM
I wouldn't base my decision on whether or not Manning is playing.

If he is healthy enough to play and doesn't need additional rest, play him. And vice versa.

Pantherstang84
09-07-2011, 05:31 PM
If there is any hesitation from the medical staff whether Foster is ready to go, sit him. The season is a marathon not a sprint. Do not put him back on the field until the doctors have no doubts.

Thorn
09-07-2011, 05:45 PM
If there is any hesitation from the medical staff whether Foster is ready to go, sit him. The season is a marathon not a sprint. Do not put him back on the field until the doctors have no doubts.

Exactly. If we can't beat a Manningless Colts team with Ward at Tate at RB, and the rest of our offense intact, then we've got problems.

ArlingtonTexan
09-07-2011, 05:56 PM
If there is any hesitation from the medical staff whether Foster is ready to go, sit him. The season is a marathon not a sprint. Do not put him back on the field until the doctors have no doubts.

This should be the plan whether Peyton is healthy or not.

The Pencil Neck
09-07-2011, 05:59 PM
If there is any hesitation from the medical staff whether Foster is ready to go, sit him. The season is a marathon not a sprint. Do not put him back on the field until the doctors have no doubts.

^^^ This.

If there's even a niggling thought in the back of ONE guy's brain that MAYBE he needs a little more rest, we should sit Arian and let him heal up a little bit more.

And Peyton has nothing to do with that decision.

JamesBill
09-07-2011, 06:13 PM
If he tweaks it again he is likely out for a month or longer. He needs to get back to no doubt full status. It isn't like our second best guy is ron dayne. We have some depth and can hold down the fort till he gets back. Even if he misses Week 2 we will be fine.

ObsiWan
09-07-2011, 06:14 PM
I wouldn't base my decision on whether or not Manning is playing.

If he is healthy enough to play and doesn't need additional rest, play him. And vice versa.

This should be the plan whether Peyton is healthy or not.

^^^ This.

If there's even a niggling thought in the back of ONE guy's brain that MAYBE he needs a little more rest, we should sit Arian and let him heal up a little bit more.

And Peyton has nothing to do with that decision.

What they said.
:foottap:

Kimmy
09-07-2011, 06:17 PM
What they said.
:foottap:

Don't give me that foot tap! LOL I'm not even going to lie, if Peyton was in, there would be a little place deep down that would want Foster to play.

It's a division game, we need to win. Our odds went up a LOT w/o #18 starting.

nytexan
09-07-2011, 06:21 PM
If he's ready to go he plays, if he's not at least 95% he sits. If this game was in Indy, I'd want him to play more but this being a home game, I'd sit him if he's not ready. They'll probably need him more in the next 5 weeks than this one.

Having said that, the Colts are a veteran and playoff tested team. I don't think they're going to lay down for us by any means especially with EVERYONE writing them off. They'd like nothing more than to knock us off in week 1.

TheMatrix31
09-07-2011, 06:26 PM
If he can play, let him play.

gary
09-07-2011, 06:29 PM
A player gets paid to play so let him play if he is ready and he wants to play.

ThaShark316
09-07-2011, 06:49 PM
Play him and limit carries.

foo82
09-07-2011, 06:50 PM
I say sit him out at the start and see how we do. If our offense is failing and we need to establish our run game, let him have a few carries in the second quarter.

The Pencil Neck
09-07-2011, 06:52 PM
I say sit him out at the start and see how we do. If our offense is failing and we need to establish our run game, let him have a few carries in the second quarter.

LOL.

Yeah. Anybody remember the Raider's game last year? He gets sat for most of the first half and then comes out in the second half and EXPLODES!

DocBar
09-07-2011, 06:54 PM
If there is any hesitation from the medical staff whether Foster is ready to go, sit him. The season is a marathon not a sprint. Do not put him back on the field until the doctors have no doubts.And give him sodium pentathol before examining him!!!

drunkcookie
09-07-2011, 06:55 PM
Here's the deal: the guy didn't practice today and was still rehabbing.. the game is in four days... that's cutting it close...

BUT, I would suit him up, just not start him... if things aren't looking good come third quarter, or if things get bad/too close for comfort in the 4th, dude is getting in... As long as we do not need the guy in there, he should not be in there with this injury... But at the same time, the Texans don't have Foster on the team so he can remain healthy here, they have Foster on the team so he can help them win games, bottom line...

If his help is not needed, he doesn't touch the rock... he for sure doesn't start...

Big Lou
09-07-2011, 07:08 PM
And give him sodium pentathol before examining him!!!

Woh, woh, woh, hold on there, is sodium pentathol considered a PED? We don't need a pregnant running back on the team for goodness sake.

DocBar
09-07-2011, 07:18 PM
Here's the deal: the guy didn't practice today and was still rehabbing.. the game is in four days... that's cutting it close...

BUT, I would suit him up, just not start him... if things aren't looking good come third quarter, or if things get bad/too close for comfort in the 4th, dude is getting in... As long as we do not need the guy in there, he should not be in there with this injury... But at the same time, the Texans don't have Foster on the team so he can remain healthy here, they have Foster on the team so he can help them win games, bottom line...

If his help is not needed, he doesn't touch the rock... he for sure doesn't start... I wouldn't let him anywhere near the field unless he honestly meets the requirements for proving a healed hamstring strain. No pain when stretching etc. The Texans should really make CnD the head of their medical staff. He's such a huge fan, he'll do everything he can to keep a player from hurting himself and the team by coming back too soon.

Kimmy
09-07-2011, 07:20 PM
I wouldn't let him anywhere near the field unless he honestly meets the requirements for proving a healed hamstring strain. No pain when stretching etc. The Texans should really make CnD the head of their medical staff. He's such a huge fan, he'll do everything he can to keep a player from hurting himself and the team by coming back too soon.

I concur!

thunderkyss
09-07-2011, 07:25 PM
Now that we know for sure Manning is out, do we sit Foster for an extra week? I vote yes, reason being is we have several other weapons to beat the Colts with without Manning.

We are like Bon Jovi fans right now. You pay to see them and if Jon Bon Jovi (aka Manning) doesn't show, you're pissed. Richie Sambora (Foster) doesn't show, ehh, still getting your moneys worth.

For me, I don't give two shits about whether Manning plays or not. My concern is with Arian. If I've got a team of objective doctors telling me the man is 100% & there was no chance of reaggravating, I would play Arian.... that is the only way.

If there is a possibility that he might reaggravate, or that this could be a season long nagging issue (like Mario's groin), there is no way I'd play him.

This is just one game, & we would still be competitive without Foster, with or without Peyton. I want Foster healthy for the long haul.

Sway
09-07-2011, 07:31 PM
I think that considering this game any differently for the sake of 18 not playing is simply ignorant. They're going to bring everything they can, and if we lose, we look like morons (MORESO than we do every year at the season's end). That being said ,if Arian is ready, he should play- if not, let's use a different attack and capitalize on Tate and Ward in the ground game.

Texan_Bill
09-07-2011, 07:41 PM
I don't think one has anything to do with the other. You do what's best for your team. If Foster is 100% he plays. If the hammy is still a little tweaked, he sits. BTW, there's no such thing as a "little tweaked" with regards to a hammy. It's either healthy or its not.

beerlover
09-07-2011, 08:45 PM
First he must be able to practice with the first team. Test it out & see how he feels along with a through medical evaluation w/doc's blessing. For selfish reasons I want to see him play & show he's ready to defend his NFL rushing title (no fantasy reasons). At the same time I want him to do what's best for him which in the longterm is best for Texans.

Marcus
09-07-2011, 08:46 PM
The problem is that Arian, due to self-interests regarding playing for a new contract, can NOT BE RELIED UPON to be totally honest with team doctors about his condition.

80tothezone
09-07-2011, 08:51 PM
I used to practice TKD and had my share of hammy injuries they take a while.... like six weeks or so to get fully healed I would give him at least one more week

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DocBar
09-07-2011, 09:03 PM
First he must be able to practice with the first team. Test it out & see how he feels along with a through medical evaluation w/doc's blessing. For selfish reasons I want to see him play & show he's ready to defend his NFL rushing title (no fantasy reasons). At the same time I want him to do what's best for him which in the longterm is best for Texans.Foster shouldn't even be allowed to "test it out" until it's healed. 14 or 15 games with Foster beats the hell out 3+ without him. Regardless of the opponent. I'll trust in Tate and Ward to hold the line.

Wolf
09-07-2011, 09:34 PM
Arian Foster was “frolicking” on Wednesday
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 7, 2011, 7:37 PM EDT
A. Fosterhammy2 Getty Images

There has been a lot of optimism in Houston that Arian Foster will be ready to roll in Week One, but the signs weren’t too encouraging on Wednesday.

Foster missed practice, and admitted he didn’t know if he was playing against the Colts.

“I don’t know. We’re going to take it day-by-day and see how it feels on Sunday,” Foster said.

Coach Gary Kubiak talked up Foster’s progress working on the side of practice.

“We’ll see where we’re at tomorrow, but it looked like he did a little bit more from me watching from afar,” Kubiak said in comments distributed by the team. “If Arian’s full speed and can play, we want him to play. We need to be at our best to win a football game, but at the same time, we’ve got to listen to what’s going on.”

It doesn’t make sense to push Foster to play when the team has quality backups in Derrick Ward and Ben Tate. Still, Foster believes he’s almost ready to suit up.

“I was cutting. I was running, cutting and frolicking,” Foster said.

Frolicking sounds good. Definitely a lot better than anti-awesomeness.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/07/arian-foster-was-frolicking-on-wednesday/

2slik4u
09-07-2011, 09:40 PM
My vote is yes. Ward and Tate (Wate?) impressed the hell out of me over the preseason.

I think we can get by with out Foster against the Colts.


Plus, I picked up Tate in my fantasy league.

DocBar
09-07-2011, 09:44 PM
My vote is yes. Ward and Tate (Wate?) impressed the hell out of me over the preseason.

I think we can get by with out Foster against the Colts.


Plus, I picked up Tate in my fantasy league.SHAMELESS!!!! :rofl:

Big Lou
09-07-2011, 10:39 PM
Start Tate and let Slaton get some carries so he can be showcased a little.

badboy
09-07-2011, 10:48 PM
I would rotate Ward and Tate unless it becomes obvious we were not going to win; then Foster comes in. IMO, we have to win this game. I really do not want to use Arian at all until 100% and I'm confident we can win without Foster so let him heal. He wil not be 100% by SUnday imo.

DocBar
09-07-2011, 10:52 PM
Start Tate and let Slaton get some carries so he can be showcased a little.Put Slaton in if we're far enough ahead that we can afford a turnover or three.

Ryan
09-07-2011, 11:57 PM
Put Slaton in if we're far enough ahead that we can afford a turnover or three.


^This.

That would have been ideal in preseason though.

Norg
09-08-2011, 01:40 AM
Why rush this lets play mind games with the colts

lets wait till Sunday morin 2 decide if he will play or not

hes got today and 2 more solid days to heal up lets wait to see how he feels on sunday

and do this make him the #3 back this game and only play him on a few plays in the 3rd and 4th quarter depending on how this game plays out and how big of a lead we got this might turn into a pre season type game

ObsiWan
09-08-2011, 02:43 AM
The problem is that Arian, due to self-interests regarding playing for a new contract, can NOT BE RELIED UPON to be totally honest with team doctors about his condition.

The team doctors are paid to assess his condition without Foster's input. If they can't then the Texans should hire CloakNNNDagger.
:D

Malloy
09-08-2011, 03:18 AM
I have confidense in Ward/Tate. Nothing so far suggests that they're not able to move the ball in Fostersque style. Ogbo & Slaton, that's another story altogether.

Wolf6151
09-08-2011, 03:48 AM
Manning playing or not makes no difference. Foster should sit until he is 100% healthy, we don't need this hamstring injury recurring and need him healthy late in the season more than early in the season.

Pantherstang84
09-08-2011, 07:05 AM
Why rush this lets play mind games with the colts

lets wait till Sunday morin 2 decide if he will play or not

hes got today and 2 more solid days to heal up lets wait to see how he feels on sunday

and do this make him the #3 back this game and only play him on a few plays in the 3rd and 4th quarter depending on how this game plays out and how big of a lead we got this might turn into a pre season type game

I think you you are on to something there. Let's out Colt the Colts. Have Kubiak talk up to the press about how Arian will probably be ready. List him n the injury report as probable. Suit him up but hide his helmet. Make the Colts game plan for him.

El Tejano
09-08-2011, 10:49 AM
Historically, November has been the month where we lose our playoff hopes and I sure would like to have a healthy Foster at that time.

ObsiWan
09-08-2011, 11:23 AM
Don't give me that foot tap! LOL I'm not even going to lie, if Peyton was in, there would be a little place deep down that would want Foster to play.

It's a division game, we need to win. Our odds went up a LOT w/o #18 starting.

Hell, I want him to play THIS WEEK. But not at the risk of losing him for two months because we made him strain his hammy into a grade 2 or whatever the next level of strain is called (help me out here, CnnnD). Better to shelve him now and have him later than to use him now and not have him for later.



...besides, he AIN'T on my fantasy team
:D

GP
09-08-2011, 11:34 AM
Some have said they wish Manning was playing so that when we beat them, and subsequently have a good season while the Colts drift downward, that it wouldn't put an asterisk next to our season.

Well, let's sit Arian Foster and nullify the asterisk comments.

Let's take our RB BACKUPS and rush all over the Colts. Let's see if Lombardi's "the Texans are soft" comments are true or not. I have a feeling the blocking and the overall offense system led by Kubiak and Denning are a greater force than one guy (an Arian Foster, for example).

We're going to win the game, and it won't be as close as last year's opener vs. the Colts. No Forehead to help them come back, and our defense is leaps and bounds ahead of our defense from last year. If Schaub doesn't brain fart early, we're good to go.

ChrisG
09-08-2011, 01:25 PM
according to Yahoo Sports (yea, IK - take it for what its worth) Arian says he will most likely play Sunday.

"The hamstring is coming along. It feels really good, and all signs point to me playing on Sunday ... Rehab is going good and all signs point to being okay for Sunday."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Arian-Foster-tells-Yahoo-Sports-Radio-he-8217-?urn=nfl-wp6695

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Personally if he is not 110% sit him. Im fine with Tate and Ward

Vinnie
09-08-2011, 01:53 PM
according to Yahoo Sports (yea, IK - take it for what its worth) Arian says he will most likely play Sunday.



http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Arian-Foster-tells-Yahoo-Sports-Radio-he-8217-?urn=nfl-wp6695

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Personally if he is not 110% sit him. Im fine with Tate and Ward

This x100. I think we can get it done with them as well, even if Manning was playing, call me a homer if you want. If I'm Koob I'm sitting Arian out regardless of what he claims about his hamstring. He's more valuable to us down the road healthy than the first couple games and re-injured.

Hervoyel
09-08-2011, 02:31 PM
If he's ready to play then you play him, regardless of who is or isn't playing for the other team. If he's not ready to go then you sit him. It's as simple as that.

I'm beginning to suspect that Foster won't play this week. I think the Texans believe they can win while resting him. Maybe so, we'll see.

Rey
09-08-2011, 02:50 PM
I don't know if Arian will play or not...If he does I think it will be on a limited basis...

Scooter
09-08-2011, 03:05 PM
leach was a major factor last week 1 because the colts dont have the size to stop bigger rushing teams - especially with our zone scheme able to expose their linebackers and safeties to that brutality. i'd personally like to see tate get many or most of the carries this week regardless of arian's health for the same reason. if casey can keep the lanes clean, tate can run over and through those smaller defenders for the same "leach effect". ward is plenty capable of handling the veteran duties and slaton's there as insurance.

like others have said, if foster's not 100%, rest him until week 2 to avoid risking reaggravating and potentially missing a larger portion of the season.

DX-TEX
09-08-2011, 03:09 PM
ClaytonESPN John Clayton
Gary Kubiak says Arian Foster is improving but didn't practice today. I'd list him as doubtful. No official word until Friday.
2 minutes ago

Just sit him now and quit all this Manningtype crap.

ObsiWan
09-08-2011, 03:17 PM
Just sit him now and quit all this Manningtype crap.

No coach shows their "hand" until game day unless they absolutely have to. Kubiak just said, "doubful". That tells me Foster's sitting out. Bet you wouldn't get this much of a commitment out of Belichick 3 days before the game.

Rey
09-08-2011, 03:19 PM
leach was a major factor last week 1 because the colts dont have the size to stop bigger rushing teams - especially with our zone scheme able to expose their linebackers and safeties to that brutality. i'd personally like to see tate get many or most of the carries this week regardless of arian's health for the same reason. if casey can keep the lanes clean, tate can run over and through those smaller defenders for the same "leach effect". ward is plenty capable of handling the veteran duties and slaton's there as insurance.

like others have said, if foster's not 100%, rest him until week 2 to avoid risking reaggravating and potentially missing a larger portion of the season.


Leach and Arian weren't running through defenders last year in the 1st Colts game. The O-line was gashing them and opening up cut back lanes. Arian had the vision and agility to get into the lanes, but the backs weren't the ones punishing the Colts defenders. It was the O-line.

On some of Arians bigger runs leach didn't do a whole lot. And it's not like Arian was running over LB's filling the holes.

hradhak
09-08-2011, 07:05 PM
I feel comfortable with Tate and Ward as our starters. If Foster is 100% (which I doubt) sit him. We've got lotsa football left to play. I'd like to see the 2 (or 3) headed monster most of the season anyway. I'd like to keep Arian as fresh as possible. There's no reason he needs to be running for 25 carries a game when we have 2 other capable backs.

Big Lou
09-10-2011, 05:45 PM
I was thinking about the whole Arian and his contract situation today. Many think Arian will push to play because of his contract, I think it may be just the opposite. Arian is smart and wants to stay healthy all season, so if I were him I'd rather sit one game out to increase my odds of coming back 100%.

CloakNNNdagger
09-10-2011, 07:42 PM
I was thinking about the whole Arian and his contract situation today. Many think Arian will push to play because of his contract, I think it may be just the opposite. Arian is smart and wants to stay healthy all season, so if I were him I'd rather sit one game out to increase my odds of coming back 100%.

I agree with Arian not playing AT LEAST this game. But I would have to question your other statement (bolded). He didn't use that logic last season when he played most of the season with a cartilage tear (without telling the staff because of fear of losing his position) which led to his need for off-season surgery. Rest and proper conservative treatment, if initiated early on, may very well have allowed him to avoid progression of cartilage damage which ultimately led to the need for surgery. The cartilage shaving scope may have not been a comparatively major surgery, but it would have whittled the cartilage thickness down, bringing the protective joint surface closer to bone.........for an RB, just one step closer to that dreaded bone on bone.

steelbtexan
09-10-2011, 08:10 PM
Gary should listen to the medical staff.

If there's a chance he could reinjure the hamstring because Fosters not fully healthy then he should sit until he's well.

Of course we're talking about the Texans medical staff. Who I have very little confidence in. (DDW)

DocBar
09-10-2011, 09:07 PM
If he's ready to play then you play him, regardless of who is or isn't playing for the other team. If he's not ready to go then you sit him. It's as simple as that.

I'm beginning to suspect that Foster won't play this week. I think the Texans believe they can win while resting him. Maybe so, we'll see.The problem is getting a player and the team doctors to honestly assess his condition. Both will hedge in favor of the team. How long would a team doctor be around if assesses players as he would everyday patients? In the NFL, you're expected to play through pain. Unfortunately, pain indicates injury with hammies.