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Ryan
09-04-2011, 09:25 PM
Per McLame:

McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Texans re-signed P Brett Hartmann to replace Brad Maynard. To make room on the roster, they waived OLB Jesse Nading



Waived Nading? That's weird.

honored82
09-04-2011, 09:28 PM
why would they cut him in the first place?

JimBaker488
09-04-2011, 09:28 PM
Per McLame:

McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Texans re-signed P Brett Hartmann to replace Brad Maynard. To make room on the roster, they waived OLB Jesse Nading



Waived Nading? That's weird.
Kept Braman over Nading ? I like their choice even though I'm still surprised by it ?
What's more Nading was a Colorado State guy, bet Kubiak hated giving into Wade on that one ?

Trap_Star
09-04-2011, 09:28 PM
phillips must like Braman a lot.

DX-TEX
09-04-2011, 09:31 PM
why would they cut him in the first place?

No kidding. Thats a big WTF is going on.

Ryan
09-04-2011, 09:33 PM
Looks like we got guaranteed touchbacks though on kickoffs with him. He'll have to work on his punts and getting them inside the 10, but it seems like most of our punters have sucked with that anyway.

DocBar
09-04-2011, 09:33 PM
Nading looked good this PS. WTF?

honored82
09-04-2011, 09:34 PM
No kidding. Thats a big WTF is going on.

Texans are scrambling everyone. Hope they know what they are doing. One day you are on the roster, and the next day you come to work to find out you are waived :mariopalm: lol

badboy
09-04-2011, 09:47 PM
So the best punter available is someone we recently released? hmm.

ObsiWan
09-04-2011, 09:47 PM
why would they cut him in the first place?

You know Kubiak's preference for experience....
at least he realized he made the wrong choice.

prostock101
09-04-2011, 09:55 PM
I'm surprised we didn't bring in Graham or that dude from.....well, I forget, Pittsburgh?

As far as Nading goes, he was ok but Braman is a beast. He may be raw but good pass rushers are hard to find and in this league if you don't put pressure on the QB, you're screwed. Wade will coach him up, rotate him in on passing downs and let him off the leash.

How many years have we heard them go on and on about how much they need to get a pass rush in order to stop anyone. This is Kub's year to get it done and I'm betting he is not going to let go of anyone that can get after the QB.

srrono
09-04-2011, 09:59 PM
please delete didnt see post

Ryan
09-04-2011, 10:00 PM
McClain_on_NFL John McClain
Texans re-signed P Brett Hartmann to replace Brad Maynard. To make room on the roster, they waived OLB Jesse Nading.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84646

Pantherstang84
09-04-2011, 10:06 PM
I thought the roster stood at 52 after the cuts yesterday. Why would they need to cut someone to make room for Hartmann?

ObsiWan
09-04-2011, 10:07 PM
Nading looked good this PS. WTF?

They're not done yet.

The roster probably won't be stable until week 3.

Rey
09-04-2011, 10:10 PM
Letting go of nading does not seem smart to me.

I like braman, but I liked nading too. I thought overall he had a good pre season and he seems to be a lot stronger than braman. I thought nading could also play a little de if the situation called for it.

As far as bringing Hartmann back, I'm cool with it. I thought thats who they should have kept in the first place.

But I don't like cutting nading. Should have cut one of those corners.

honored82
09-04-2011, 10:10 PM
I thought the roster stood at 52 after the cuts yesterday. Why would they need to cut someone to make room for Hartmann?

because they also claimed OL Thomas Austin after the pats waived him.

so as of now roster is at 53.

SAMURAITEXAN
09-04-2011, 10:17 PM
because they also claimed OL Thomas Austin after the pats waived him.

so as of now roster is at 53.

Yap, They were thin on OL but surprised to see Nading waived. I don't think we are through with changes.

DocBar
09-04-2011, 10:50 PM
Letting go of nading does not seem smart to me.

I like braman, but I liked nading too. I thought overall he had a good pre season and he seems to be a lot stronger than braman. I thought nading could also play a little de if the situation called for it.

As far as bringing Hartmann back, I'm cool with it. I thought thats who they should have kept in the first place.

But I don't like cutting nading. Should have cut one of those corners.There are plenty of hangers on there. I would love to be a fly on the wall when these cuts are being made just to find out why they do some of the things they do.

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2011, 11:03 PM
You know Kubiak's preference for experience....
at least he realized he made the wrong choice.

From looking at the preseason, looks like he's just made his second bad choice in punters (hope not). Seems that Graham or the Steeler's FA would have been a more solid choice.

thunderkyss
09-04-2011, 11:11 PM
Nading will still be there week 3, ready to go... just like last year.

ObsiWan
09-04-2011, 11:24 PM
From looking at the preseason, looks like he's just made his second bad choice in punters (hope not). Seems that Graham or the other FA would have been a more solid choice.

I keep wondering to myself, if they're that good, why were they released??
What does Pittsburgh and Arizona know about these guys that we do not??

CloakNNNdagger
09-04-2011, 11:37 PM
I keep wondering to myself, if they're that good, why were they released??
What does Pittsburgh and Arizona know about these guys that we do not??


The Steelers kicker's entire career short of one year was in open air stadiums in cold cities.....Jets, Green Bay and Steelers. Whatever is "deficiencies," they likely would be minimized in an enclosed stadium venue such as Reliant. Remember Kris Browns' positive transition?

Of course, the Texans could have low balled a vet.

ChampionTexan
09-04-2011, 11:51 PM
From looking at the preseason, looks like he's just made his second bad choice in punters (hope not). Seems that Graham or the Steeler's FA would have been a more solid choice.

First, there's only a handful of punters currently in the NFL that are good enough to really worry about (Lechler's probably at the top of that list). None of those punters has ever punted for the Texans, nor are any of them available as free agents right now. There's a few who are horrible, and the rest of them are pretty much dime a dozen, interchangeable parts.

One thing that's definitely true about Maynard and Graham (not certain about Kapino) is that they are vested veterans, meaning if they're on your opening day roster, you're paying them for the entire year no matter what. Hartmann is not vested.

My guess (or at least hope) is that because of that, the Texans went with one of those interchangeable parts who happened to have experience holding for Rackers, and who could be let go with essentially no cap ramifications if things go badly. Any time after week 1, Graham or Maynard or any other punter in the world can be brought in without committing to pay them the rest of the year if they suck.

ObsiWan
09-04-2011, 11:55 PM
First, there's only a handful of punters currently in the NFL that are good enough to really worry about (Lechler's probably at the top of that list). None of those punters has ever punted for the Texans, nor are any of them available as free agents right now. There's a few who are horrible, and the rest of them are pretty much dime a dozen, interchangeable parts.

One thing that's definitely true about Maynard and Graham (not certain about Kapino) is that they are vested veterans, meaning if they're on your opening day roster, you're paying them for the entire year no matter what. Hartmann is not vested.

My guess (or at least hope) is that because of that, the Texans went with one of those interchangeable parts who happened to have experience holding for Rackers, and who could be let go with essentially no cap ramifications if things go badly. Any time after week 1, Graham or Maynard or any other punter in the world can be brought in without committing to pay them the rest of the year if they suck.

That sounds potentially cold-blooded for Hartmann but it isn't a bad business strategy.

TexanBacker93
09-05-2011, 05:52 AM
Letting go of nading does not seem smart to me.

I like braman, but I liked nading too. I thought overall he had a good pre season and he seems to be a lot stronger than braman. I thought nading could also play a little de if the situation called for it.

As far as bringing Hartmann back, I'm cool with it. I thought thats who they should have kept in the first place.

But I don't like cutting nading. Should have cut one of those corners.There are plenty of hangers on there. I would love to be a fly on the wall when these cuts are being made just to find out why they do some of the things they do.

I get worried only carrying 8 linebackers when 4 of them ended last season on IR and 1 other had offseason knee surgery.

dalemurphy
09-05-2011, 06:31 AM
[QUOTE=DocBar;1767919]

I get worried only carrying 8 linebackers when 4 of them ended last season on IR and 1 other had offseason knee surgery.


I share that concern, though I'm not worried about OLB. I'm worried about ILB. Perhaps they still plan to make a move there and then move Newton to the practice squad (they have left on space on the P.S., so something is coming)

nytexan
09-05-2011, 08:59 AM
[QUOTE=TexanBacker93;1768043]


I share that concern, though I'm not worried about OLB. I'm worried about ILB. Perhaps they still plan to make a move there and then move Newton to the practice squad (they have left on space on the P.S., so something is coming)

Well you do have to admit they've come a long way from worrying who the starter will be on this team at RB, OL, DLINE, Safeties and CB to just hoping they stay healthy and backup whatevers. Health more than anything else is the #1 concern and you can say that about every team.

Right now this is by far the best and deepest team the Texans have ever put together and if Manning is truly in slow recovery mode, the cards are surely falling into place for them to FINALLY taking over the division. I think Kubiak has done an outstanding job with the offense that I really hope W.Philips can save his butt by getting the defense to show up and respond in kind.

This could be a great year to be a Texan's fan.

Honoring Earl 34
09-05-2011, 10:43 AM
We'll see if anyone knocks down Nading's door .

The Pencil Neck
09-05-2011, 11:47 AM
I'm not surprised to see Hartmann return. I won't be surprised if we bring in other punters during the season. I think ChampionTexan has the strategy of this right.

I am surprised by Nading. He's made some mistakes this preseason but he's also made some good plays. He's been Mario's primary backup.

DocBar
09-05-2011, 12:17 PM
[QUOTE=TexanBacker93;1768043]


I share that concern, though I'm not worried about OLB. I'm worried about ILB. Perhaps they still plan to make a move there and then move Newton to the practice squad (they have left on space on the P.S., so something is coming)How did you get my name onTexanbacker93 post? It just did it to me!!

markn
09-05-2011, 12:37 PM
Can anyone come up with a rational explanation for this punter business - on the surface it really looks like we don't know what the heck we're doing; create a competition, cut the loser, then cut the winner and re-sign the loser. Serious question: what is going on?

honored82
09-05-2011, 12:41 PM
when's the next press conference? Haven't heard anything from the coach since Friday.

Playoffs
09-05-2011, 12:49 PM
Can anyone come up with a rational explanation for this punter business - on the surface it really looks like we don't know what the heck we're doing; create a competition, cut the loser, then cut the winner and re-sign the loser. Serious question: what is going on?

Jedi mind trick -- keeping the competition off balance as to which punter to game for.

Honoring Earl 34
09-05-2011, 12:56 PM
I'm not surprised to see Hartmann return. I won't be surprised if we bring in other punters during the season. I think ChampionTexan has the strategy of this right.

I am surprised by Nading. He's made some mistakes this preseason but he's also made some good plays. He's been Mario's primary backup.

I think the Texans are finally taking chances on players with upswing instead of keeping the players they already know . Braman has more talent than Nading or so it seems .

prostock101
09-05-2011, 01:31 PM
Agree that this punting deal has been a gigantic swing and a miss. And as bad as ST has been you'd think they'd pay more attention to it. It's almost like it's an afterthought.

"Oh crap, this punter we kept is crap!"

"What was the other guy's name? You got his number?"

Geezzzzz................

bo orlando
09-05-2011, 01:38 PM
Can anyone come up with a rational explanation for this punter business - on the surface it really looks like we don't know what the heck we're doing; create a competition, cut the loser, then cut the winner and re-sign the loser. Serious question: what is going on?


only rational explanation i can think of is the texans thought they were going to sign somebody specific and couldn't, or thought somebody was going to become available who wasn't.

Farough
09-05-2011, 01:39 PM
Maybe they had notified the wrong guy that he had been cut and finally realized their mistake a few days later??

Seems so weird to me. You would figure they would have brought in a new FA punter if they were going to release Maynard.

dalemurphy
09-05-2011, 02:05 PM
only rational explanation i can think of is the texans thought they were going to sign somebody specific and couldn't, or thought somebody was going to become available who wasn't.

Didn't they meet with Sepulveda during free agency? My guess is they had a deal in place to sign him when the Steelers cut him, assuming he was going to lose the job to Kapinos... Only, the Steelers kept him.

Corrosion
09-05-2011, 02:40 PM
From looking at the preseason, looks like he's just made his second bad choice in punters (hope not). Seems that Graham or the Steeler's FA would have been a more solid choice.

I wonder if Hartmann coiming back was because he fit under the cap where one of the others might have put them over.

TimeKiller
09-05-2011, 03:43 PM
Whatevs. I'm just glad Maynard is gone. At least this guy has a leg...

Releasing Nading surprises me a bit although he had to be last on the depth chart. Braman just brought a little more electricity to rushing and Nading didn't seem like a coverage guy whatsoever to me. So they went with the more talented one-dimensional guy, I'm good with it.

Still waiting to see if Bulman is enough for them or if they try to upgrade DE depth.

El Tejano
09-06-2011, 04:14 PM
Letting go of nading does not seem smart to me.

I like braman, but I liked nading too. I thought overall he had a good pre season and he seems to be a lot stronger than braman. I thought nading could also play a little de if the situation called for it.

As far as bringing Hartmann back, I'm cool with it. I thought thats who they should have kept in the first place.

But I don't like cutting nading. Should have cut one of those corners.

Perhaps they created cap space?

HOU-TEX
09-06-2011, 04:20 PM
I think Nading still has PS eligibility...if he clears waivers

Rey
09-06-2011, 04:27 PM
I think Nading still has PS eligibility...if he clears waivers

That's what I heard...

Maybe they left that last spot on the PS open for him.

Kubiak said they wanted a versatile player for the last spot that could play D-line, LB, TE...

HOU-TEX
09-06-2011, 04:41 PM
That's what I heard...

Maybe they left that last spot on the PS open for him.

Kubiak said they wanted a versatile player for the last spot that could play D-line, LB, TE...

I would think so, but wouldn't he have cleared by now? I would think we would've heard by now

Rey
09-06-2011, 04:44 PM
I would think so, but wouldn't he have cleared by now? I would think we would've heard by now

I have no clue about the time line for that stuff but you are probably right...

Maybe they are weighing their options...I would think they'd want to have a full practice squad to start the season though...

Or maybe McNAir is just being cheap....:kitten:

HOU-TEX
09-06-2011, 04:45 PM
I have no clue about the time line for that stuff but you are probably right...

Maybe they are weighing their options...I would think they'd want to have a full practice squad to start the season though...

Or maybe McNAir is just being cheap....:kitten:

Doh..:hides:

Ole Miss Texan
09-06-2011, 05:02 PM
Man, I really like Nading. I'm truly hoping he makes it to our practice squad.

The biggest surprise cut for me was Xavier Adibi. I thought he had a GREAT preseason and would be a great backup to have.

Dutchrudder
09-06-2011, 05:05 PM
Man, I really like Nading. I'm truly hoping he makes it to our practice squad.

The biggest surprise cut for me was Xavier Adibi. I thought he had a GREAT preseason and would be a great backup to have.

Might have something to do with his injury history. He's not exactly a sure thing to be there when you need a backup.

The Pencil Neck
09-06-2011, 05:06 PM
I think Nading still has PS eligibility...if he clears waivers

I didn't think he did. But I checked his stats out and he's only played in 12 games over 3 years. I think you're right. He does have PS eligibility.

CloakNNNdagger
09-06-2011, 05:13 PM
I didn't think he did. But I checked his stats out and he's only played in 12 games over 3 years. I think you're right. He does have PS eligibility.

I thought you could have played in over 9 regular season games for eligibility.

disaacks3
09-06-2011, 05:16 PM
Eligibility for the practice squad is limited to players who do not have an accrued season in the NFL, or were on an active list (53-man roster) for fewer than nine games during their only accrued seasons. Players that have served two seasons on a practice squad are eligible for a third season only if the team has at least 53 players on its active/inactive list for the duration of that player's employment.

A player will be considered to have served on a practice squad in a season if he were a member of a practice squad for three regular or postseason games during his first two practice squad seasons, or for one regular season or postseason game during a third practice squad season.

The minimum weekly salary for practice squad players in 2011 (and 2012) is $5,700, an increase of $500 over the 2008-2010 rate. There is no limit to how much a team can pay a practice squad player. Several teams have enticed players with offers of increased pay, usually a few thousand dollars extra, to join or remain on their practice squad. Link (http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2011/9/3/2403149/redskins-cut-day-practice-squad)

CloakNNNdagger
09-06-2011, 05:38 PM
I would think so, but wouldn't he have cleared by now? I would think we would've heard by now

Waivers takes 24hrs. Haven't heard that he has been picked up. So he has cleared waivers and is still floating around out there.

The Pencil Neck
09-06-2011, 07:51 PM
I thought you could have played in over 9 regular season games for eligibility.

You have to have an accrued season to LOSE eligibility. He has 12 games which is not a complete season.

It's probably not entirely that simple.

But.

He's back on our PS so that's close enough for rock and roll.

Sway
09-06-2011, 08:07 PM
While I truly DO want to win the division and much more- i DO NOT want the tag on our season to say " well, it's because Peyton couldn't play". Bring on anyone. I'm nervous about the Steelers, but we'll still be there . We have enough components in place; great things should happen. we'll see :-)


[QUOTE=dalemurphy;1768044]

Well you do have to admit they've come a long way from worrying who the starter will be on this team at RB, OL, DLINE, Safeties and CB to just hoping they stay healthy and backup whatevers. Health more than anything else is the #1 concern and you can say that about every team.

Right now this is by far the best and deepest team the Texans have ever put together and if Manning is truly in slow recovery mode, the cards are surely falling into place for them to FINALLY taking over the division. I think Kubiak has done an outstanding job with the offense that I really hope W.Philips can save his butt by getting the defense to show up and respond in kind.

This could be a great year to be a Texan's fan.

The Pencil Neck
09-06-2011, 09:45 PM
If we beat the tough teams on our schedule, there won't be any asterisk.

If we end up winning our division with an 8-8 record or a 7-9 like the Seahawks last year, *.

GP
09-07-2011, 12:44 AM
I don't care if Peyton Manning is the QB. I don't care if Kerry Collins is the QB. I don't care if Lady GaGa or the ghost of Christmas Past is the QB.

Beating the Colts is a WIN. Period.

I'll take playoffs any way I can get it.

To hell with so-called asterisks. Even the Jags are throwing in the towel by starting Luke McCown. If Kubiak can't win the division this year, he never will--It's as if all the past five years of WTF? moments are standing aside and trying to give Gary Kubiak just ONE year of uncontested reg season play.

This is as close to a Gimmee Putt in football as you're ever going to get, folks.

TejasTom
09-07-2011, 07:45 AM
Not only a win but a division win.

I didn't see any asterisk on other teams W column when we beat the worst secondary in the NFL.

ChampionTexan
09-13-2011, 07:58 PM
Brad Maynard signs with Browns.

LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/13/injury-forces-browns-to-change-punters/)

JPPT1974
09-19-2011, 05:47 PM
So far he is producing and doing well with the TBs on KOs as well as trying to correct the punting issues.

Rey
09-19-2011, 05:49 PM
Dude had a 70 yarder yesterday...

After that, I found myself dissapointed with the 50 yarder he kicked afterwards....:hides:

SAMURAITEXAN
09-19-2011, 08:18 PM
Yeah, we need to give some love to Hartmann. He did good and still a rook and should improve with more experience. We need a punter and we got young promising punter. I was really surprised to see we took a veteran over Hartmann but glad to see him back in our uni.

Go Hartmann!!!
Go Texans!!!

TexanSam
09-19-2011, 08:25 PM
He's been solid. Currently 11th in the NFL in net average while Matt Turk is near the bottom.